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101A
08-28-2007, 09:02 AM
The address is the SAME, really? What a crazy coincidence! (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118826947048110677.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news)




Big Source of Clinton's Cash
Is an Unlikely Address
Family's Donations
Closely Track Those
Of Top Fund-Raiser
By BRODY MULLINS
August 28, 2007; Page A3

DALY CITY, Calif. -- One of the biggest sources of political donations to Hillary Rodham Clinton is a tiny, lime-green bungalow that lies under the flight path from San Francisco International Airport.

Six members of the Paw family, each listing the house at 41 Shelbourne Ave. as their residence, have donated a combined $45,000 to the Democratic senator from New York since 2005, for her presidential campaign, her Senate re-election last year and her political action committee. In all, the six Paws have donated a total of $200,000 to Democratic candidates since 2005, election records show.

That total ranks the house with residences in Greenwich, Conn., and Manhattan's Upper East Side among the top addresses to donate to the Democratic presidential front-runner over the past two years, according to an analysis by The Wall Street Journal of donations listed with the Federal Election Commission.

It isn't obvious how the Paw family is able to afford such political largess. Records show they own a gift shop and live in a 1,280-square-foot house that they recently refinanced for $270,000. William Paw, the 64-year-old head of the household, is a mail carrier with the U.S. Postal Service who earns about $49,000 a year, according to a union representative. Alice Paw, also 64, is a homemaker. The couple's grown children have jobs ranging from account manager at a software company to "attendance liaison" at a local public high school. One is listed on campaign records as an executive at a mutual fund.

The Paws' political donations closely track donations made by Norman Hsu, a wealthy New York businessman in the apparel industry who once listed the Paw home as his address, according to public records. Mr. Hsu is one of the top fund-raisers for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign. He has hosted or co-hosted some of her most prominent money-raising events.

People who answered the phone and the door at the Paws' residence declined requests for comment last week. In an email last night, one of the Paws' sons, Winkle, said he had sometimes been asked by Mr. Hsu to make contributions, and sometimes he himself had asked family members to donate. But he added: "I have been fortunate in my investments and all of my contributions have been my money."

Mr. Hsu, in an email last night wrote: "I have NEVER asked a single favor from any politician or any charity group. If I am NOT asking favors, why do I have to cheat...I've asked friends and colleagues of mine to give money out of their own pockets and sometimes they have agreed."

Lawrence Barcella, a Washington attorney representing Mr. Hsu, said in a separate email: "You are barking up the wrong tree. There is no factual support for this story and if Mr. Hsu's name was Smith or Jones, I don't believe it would be a story." He didn't elaborate.

A Clinton campaign spokesman, Howard Wolfson, said in an email: "Norman Hsu is a longtime and generous supporter of the Democratic party and its candidates, including Senator Clinton. During Mr. Hsu's many years of active participation in the political process, there has been no question about his integrity or his commitment to playing by the rules, and we have absolutely no reason to call his contributions into question."

Kent Cooper, a former disclosure official with the Federal Election Commission, said the two-year pattern of donations justifies a probe of possible violations of campaign-finance law, which forbid one person from reimbursing another to make contributions.

"There are red lights all over this one," Mr. Cooper said.

There is no public record or indication Mr. Hsu reimbursed the Paw family for their political contributions.

For the 2008 election, individuals can donate a maximum of $4,600 per candidate -- $2,300 for a primary election and $2,300 for a general election -- and a total of $108,200 per election to all federal candidates and national political parties.

In the wake of a 2002 law that set those limits, federal and state regulators and law-enforcement officials said they have seen a spike recently in the number of cases of individuals and companies illegally reimbursing others for campaign donations. Those cases don't necessarily implicate the candidates, who sometimes don't even appear to be aware of such payments executed on their behalf.

The 2002 law also raised penalties for infractions and included the prospect of prison sentences for offenders for the first time. That increased incentives for the FEC and federal prosecutors to investigate and prosecute infractions. Since the law was enacted, the FEC has collected millions of dollars in fines for illegal donations, including its largest-ever penalty, a $3.8 million levy against Freddie Mac last year.

According to public documents, Mr. Hsu once listed his address at the Paw home in Daly City, though it isn't clear if he ever lived there. He now lives in New York, according to campaign-finance records, on which he also lists a half-dozen apparel companies as his employer. In the campaign-finance forms, Mr. Hsu lists his companies as Next Components, Dilini Management, Because Men's Clothes and others.

He is on the board of directors of the New School in New York. News stories in the mid-1980s said he criticized trade policies that made it harder to import goods from China.

Mr. Hsu is also a major fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton and other Democrats. When Democrats won control of Congress in November, he threw a party at New York City hot spot Buddakan with many prominent party leaders. Press reports said that toward the end of the night, he grabbed the microphone from the deejay and shouted: "If you are supporters of Hillary for President 2008, you can stay. Otherwise, get out."

Mr. Hsu has pledged to raise $100,000 or more for Mrs. Clinton, earning the title of "HillRaiser" along with a few hundred other top financial backers of her campaign. Earlier this year, he co-hosted a fund-raiser that raised $1 million for Mrs. Clinton at the Beverly Hills, Calif., home of billionaire Ron Burkle. He is listed as a co-host for another Clinton fund-raiser next month in northern California.

The Paw family is just one set of donors whose political donations are similar to Mr. Hsu's. Several business associates of Mr. Hsu in New York have made donations to the same candidates, on the same dates for similar amounts as Mr. Hsu.

On four separate dates this year, the Paw family, Mr. Hsu and five of his associates gave Mrs. Clinton a total of $47,500. In all, the family, Mr. Hsu and his associates have given Mrs. Clinton $133,000 since 2005 and a total of nearly $720,000 to all Democratic candidates.

The Paw's Daly City home is a one-story house in a working-class suburb of San Francisco. On a recent day, a coiled garden hose rested next to a dilapidated garden with a half-dozen dried out plants. The din of traffic from a nearby freeway was occasionally drowned out by jumbo jets departing San Francisco International Airport.

William and Alice Paw are of Chinese descent. The entire family got their Social Security cards in California in 1982, according to state records. All but one of the Paws registered to vote as "nonpartisan." A San Mateo County elections official said that members of the Paw family vote "sporadically."

No one in the Paw family had ever given a campaign contribution before the 2004 presidential election, according to campaign-finance reports. Then, in July 2004, five members of the family contributed a total of $3,600 to the presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat. Five of the checks were dated July 27, 2004. About the same time, Mr. Hsu made his first donations to a political candidate, contributing the maximum amount allowed by law to Mr. Kerry in two separate checks, on July 21, 2004, and on Aug. 6.

From then on, the correlation of campaign donations between Mr. Hsu and the Paw family has continued. The first donations to Mrs. Clinton came Dec. 23, 2004, when Mr. Hsu and one Paw family member donated the then-maximum $4,000 to her Senate campaign in two $2,000 checks, campaign-finance records show. In March 2005, the individuals gave a total of $17,500 to Mrs. Clinton.

Since then, Mr. Hsu, his New York associates and the Paw family have continued to donate to Democratic candidates. This year, Alice Paw and four of the Paw children have donated the maximum $4,600 to Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign.

Holt's Cat
08-28-2007, 09:04 AM
I've seen worse.

If she's elected the US will have spent one year shy of a quarter century with either the Bush political family or the Clinton one in the White House by the end of her first term. It's time for a change.

101A
08-28-2007, 09:13 AM
I've seen worse.

If she's elected the US will have spent one year shy of a quarter century with either the Bush political family or the Clinton one in the White House by the end of her first term. It's time for a change.

(You forgot the VP also has an office in the WH) - If Hillary gets elected, and RE-elected, we are looking at THIRTY SIX YEARS with a Bush or Clinton in the WH!!!! (and then we can have nephew George (Jeb's boy, the attractive smooth talking half-latino from Florida who is being primed), and Chelsea (haven't you heard how SMART she is?) in subsequent terms!! Ain't royalty GREAT?

Oh, Gee!!
08-28-2007, 09:17 AM
That liberal rag (WSJ) with its witch hunts.

smeagol
08-28-2007, 10:00 AM
And here I am in shithole ol' Argentina, where president Kirchner has singlehandedly appointed Mrs Kirchner as hes successor.

And that makes me wanna puke . . . until I hear what's going on in the good old U S of A.

Extra Stout
08-28-2007, 11:17 AM
And here I am in shithole ol' Argentina, where president Kirchner has singlehandedly appointed Mrs Kirchner as hes successor.

And that makes me wanna puke . . . until I hear what's going on in the good old U S of A.
Argentine political scandals consist of public officials having large stashes of unexplained cash. American political scandals consist of outwardly-militant Christian legislators soliciting gay sex in public restrooms. Having large stashes of unexplained cash is just taken for granted.

Holt's Cat
08-28-2007, 11:37 AM
I know I am looking forward to hearing about Whitewater and the "Vast Right Wing Conspriacy" incessantly again.

Holt's Cat
08-28-2007, 11:39 AM
Maybe Bill can fuck around with another intern just to spice things up again. Can a 'First Spouse' be impeached?

xrayzebra
08-28-2007, 12:11 PM
Maybe Hillary will be the first Chinese President like Bill was
the first Black President.

Anyhow guess we are going to get chapter two of the Chinese
connection.

But no sweat, Billary has already said that the Chinese guy
was veteran giver to the Dimms. I wonder what they want
now, last time it was for a guidance system for their
rockets. And they got it.

Maybe the dimms will order take out from the restaurant
owner from Little Rock. Is he still in business. Hey I know
Billary can get him to cater the Dimms convention.

clambake
08-28-2007, 12:22 PM
so, i guess thats one no vote for chinese food?

CubanMustGo
08-28-2007, 12:23 PM
Bush (Jeb)
Clinton (Hilllary)

JUST SAY NO

smeagol
08-28-2007, 02:21 PM
Bush (Jeb)
Clinton (Hilllary)

JUST SAY NO
So it's Rudy and Obama . . . I guess?

ChumpDumper
08-28-2007, 02:24 PM
$45,000?

Wow, if this is true, it might just have no effect at all on the presidential campaign!

101A
08-28-2007, 04:00 PM
$45,000?

Wow, if this is true, it might just have no effect at all on the presidential campaign!

That's a good observation, I mean there's no way anyone else might figure out how to skirt campaign finance laws - this is isolated.

And while China blusters about devaluing the dollar (and they have the capability of doing it, having gotten their momentum up during the FIRST Clinton presidency), making international noise, and there is again some kind of strange money/campaign things going on with the Clintons and some Chinese people in New York and California; all just coincidental and meaningless.

Like I said, nothing to see here.

ChumpDumper
08-28-2007, 04:17 PM
That's a good observation, I mean there's no way anyone else might figure out how to skirt campaign finance laws - this is isolated.Is it? Are you investigating this right now? Are you accusing Hillary herself of orchestrating this?


There is no public record or indication Mr. Hsu reimbursed the Paw family for their political contributions.Wow, that's riveting.

Get back to me when you have information that says Norman Hsu is a Chinese agent and has taken control of Hillary's mind. Right now it's just some conjecture about a possible funding violation.

Holt's Cat
08-28-2007, 06:00 PM
Ah yes, the Riadys. Man, if HRC is elected it'll be like the good old days again.

Nbadan
08-29-2007, 02:22 AM
Another 'Hillraiser' in deep do-do....


The Los Angeles Times will report on this website later tonight and in Wednesday's print editions that a major Democratic Party fundraiser named Norman Hsu is wanted by authorities for skipping out on an agreement to serve up to three years in prison after pleading no contest to grand theft swindling charges.

In an exclusive story by Chuck Neubauer and Robin Fields, The Times will report that for three years Hsu has been carving out a place of political and financial influence by funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions into Democratic Party coffers, much of the money earmarked for Sen. Hillary Clinton. He has earned the ranking of Hillraiser for pledging to raise at least $100,000 for her.

In just the last 36 months Hsu has been involved in raising more than $1 million for Clinton and other Democrats. Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, confirmed today that Hsu had been a "longtime and generous supporter" of the party including Clinton. "We have no reason to call his contributions into question or to return them," Wolfson added.

Hsu has developed a specialty of bundling hefty campaign contributions from obscure citizens who live modest lives and have never before given money to campaigns. Many are not even registered to vote.

Over the years other recipients of Hsu donations have included Sens. Dianne Feinstein, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Edward Kennedy.

LA Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/08/breaking-news-b.html)

Nbadan
08-29-2007, 02:26 AM
The Wall Street Journal just ran an article in Tuesday's edition about a Chinese postal worker (named Paw) and his family living in a 1200 sq ft, $270,000 house in Los Angeles who have donated $200,000 to Hillary and other Democrats since 2005. And Norman Hsu's name was listed as a possible source of the money...and a former owner of the house.

The fact that the LA Times is breaking this story just a day after the Wall Street Journal article isn't good for Mr. Hsu's and Mr. Paw's donation recipients. Fortunately, the news has latched onto a Republican who likes to play footsie with men in bathrooms, so this won't get much play on the major networks.

gtownspur
08-29-2007, 02:26 AM
Don't follow the Bushes or the Clintons, and don't vote them into office. Keep the presidency Reptillian Shapeshifter free. We're not alone sheeple!

Oh, Gee!!
08-29-2007, 09:15 AM
UPDATE: NORMAN HSU IN HOT WATER!!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/08/breaking-news-b.html

xrayzebra
08-29-2007, 09:21 AM
No sweat! Castro has declared that Hillary/Obama ticket an unstoppable pair.

The Story:

Fidel Castro predicted in a newspaper column Tuesday that a "seemingly invincible ticket" of Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama would easily land in the White House.

While Castro seems to think the two would make a powerful combo, the Cuban leader mockingly wrote that Obama and Clinton, both Democrats, "feel the sacred duty of demanding 'a democratic government in Cuba.' "

Castro said Bill Clinton was friendly and intelligent, and that Jimmy Carter was the only U.S. president he has met who "was not an accomplice to terrorism against Cuba."


So guess that's it. Castro as spoken.

DarkReign
08-29-2007, 09:22 AM
I thought Castro was dead?

Oh, Gee!!
08-29-2007, 09:23 AM
No sweat! Castro has declared that Hillary/Obama ticket an unstoppable pair.

The Story:

Fidel Castro predicted in a newspaper column Tuesday that a "seemingly invincible ticket" of Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama would easily land in the White House.

While Castro seems to think the two would make a powerful combo, the Cuban leader mockingly wrote that Obama and Clinton, both Democrats, "feel the sacred duty of demanding 'a democratic government in Cuba.' "

Castro said Bill Clinton was friendly and intelligent, and that Jimmy Carter was the only U.S. president he has met who "was not an accomplice to terrorism against Cuba."

as reported (but not verified) by foxnews in an effort to smear Hillary and Obama

xrayzebra
08-29-2007, 09:35 AM
As posted on CNN:

August 29, 2007
Where Castro stands on '08 race, Gore too

Castro wrote a Clinton-Obama ticket is "seemingly invincible".

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Add another name to the list of political observers who think a Clinton-Obama ticket would be unbeatable: Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

In an editorial in Cuba's communist party newspaper, Granma, the ailing dictator said the pairing of the two White House hopefuls seemed "invincible," according to an English translation on the paper's Web site.

Castro, who has overseen communist rule of Cuba since 1959, did, however, make it clear that he is no fan of the two Democrats' support of democratic reform in Cuba.

"Both of them feel the sacred duty of demanding 'a democratic government in Cuba,'" Castro wrote. "They are not making politics: they are playing a game of cards on a Sunday afternoon."

And I am sure I can find it in any number of places. Smear
I don't think so. It is what it is. One Socialist endorsing
other Socialist.

ChumpDumper
08-29-2007, 10:41 AM
"He is a fugitive," Ronald Smetana, who handled the case for the state attorney general, said in an interview. "Do you know where he is?"

:lmao


Beginning in 1989, court records show, he began raising what added up to more than $1 million from investors, purportedly to buy latex gloves; investors were told Hsu had a contract to resell the gloves to a major American business.

:lmao

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-hsu29aug29,0,2313285.story?page=2&coll=la-home-center

This keeps getting funnier.

DarkReign
08-29-2007, 03:55 PM
Wait, am I to believe that Presidential hopefuls acquire the money needed to fund said campaign by unscrupulous means?!

Say it isnt so!

ChumpDumper
08-29-2007, 04:10 PM
"He is a fugitive," Ronald Smetana, who handled the case for the state attorney general, said in an interview. "Do you know where he is?"


http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/images/NA-AN834_HSU_20070828184931.jpg

He's right there, dude.

Cant_Be_Mated
08-29-2007, 05:59 PM
i like latex on my chodex. hee hee

xrayzebra
09-03-2007, 09:05 AM
I am shocked, shocked......and I still didn't have sex with that
woman..... :spin :spin :lol :lol :rolleyes

newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usclin0903,0,6566532.story
Newsday.com
Bill Clinton 'shocked' Hillary donor was a fugitive

BY GLENN THRUSH

[email protected]

5:31 PM EDT, September 2, 2007

Contoocook, N.H

Former President Bill Clinton said he was "shocked" by revelations that a top fundraiser for his wife is a fugitive from justice and claimed he didn't even know what "HillRaiser" Norman Hsu did for a living.

"You could have knocked me over with a straw, especially when I heard the L.A. people had been allegedly looking for him for 15 years when he was in plain view," he told Newsday while touring a county fair in rural New Hampshire Sunday.

"I never knew how he made a living or anything, but I was shocked," said Clinton of Hsu, who has made millions as an investor in tetxtile and other businesses.

Hsu has been a fugitive after being accused of fraud in the early 1990s in San Mateo, Calif.

Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Hillary Clinton donated $23,000 in Hsu contributions after his criminal history was revealed by the Los Angeles Times last week.

Clinton said it wasn't necessary to return $100,000 or more collected by Hsu from other donors.

"I think she did the right thing giving the money back pending resolution of his case," Clinton added. "If the other people say they gave the money of their own accord then I think she should keep it."

Copyright © 2007, Newsday Inc.