Brazil vs. Argentina - Game Blog

[T Park]

lol, I'm sure Nene was really thrilled when Barbosa shrugged him off and chucked a terrible three.

Amare and Nash don't seem to mind.

[ChumpDumper]

Still hate Scola?Link to my hating him.

[ShoogarBear]

Brazil has totally lost it on offense.

[timvp]

Scola with some damn nice defense.

I thought he didn't play defense?

[Solid D]

I don't understand those Spurs fans who think that Scola would've been a trainwreck on the Spurs. He can score pretty well. He can pass. His D is decent. Even if he isn't the ideal partner for Duncan in the frontcourt, he's talented and plays to win. Plus it's not like the Spurs' bench is brimming with scorers.

I'll bet deep down...you do understand why they think in those casual, unschooled, unwashed terms.

:smokin

[E20]

Pretty pass to Scola.

[Cherry]

Scola is clutch :bang

[Spurs Brazil]

Barbosa had choke lessons in Phoenix

[timvp]

Double Scola and he tends to fuck up.Double Scola on the Rockets and you'll leave TMac or Yao open.

[mardigan]

Scola given more free points

[E20]

Scola with 16 FT's :wow

Anybody with a boxscore or a stat line for Scola?

[timvp]

Link to my hating him.http://www.spurstalk.com/

[MaNuMaNiAc]

fuck we lost the signal over here

[picnroll]

Double Scola on the Rockets and you'll leave TMac or Yao open.
Yeah if Scola gives it up. Haven't seen it happen tonight though.

[objective]

nice comparison of two totally different players.

two PF players of the same salary.

Actually that's not all that fair, according to some reports Scola will actually make less than Bonner.

my bad.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.spurstalk.comGood non-answer.

I flipped-flopped about as much as anyone here on Scola. I simply don't know how he's going to do in the NBA. If you think he's going to be awesome then you have also changed your mind.

[ShoogarBear]

:lmao Worst pass ever.

[Cherry]

fuck we lost the signal over here

:cry :cry :cry :cry

[timvp]

Scola to hit a game winner in 3 ... 2 ...

[E20]

Somebody give me a boxscore RIGHT NOW or else..............I'm gonna have to ask again. :lol

[mardigan]

Argies up 3
1 minute left, Brazil ball

[WalterBenitez]

Holy shit, ARG's National TV was cut!??

[ChumpDumper]

Somebody give me a boxscore RIGHT NOW or else..............I'm gonna have to ask again. :lolThey have these things called websites that have information about events that happen.

[objective]

Yeah if Scola gives it up. Haven't seen it happen tonight though.

watch the replay, it happened already.

[mardigan]

Scola's going to get devoured by NBA pf's

[E20]

They have these things called websites that have information about events that happen.
Can't find one.

[timvp]

Good non-answer.

I flipped-flopped about as much as anyone here on Scola. I simply don't know how he's going to do in the NBA. If you think he's going to be awesome then you have also changed your mind.Link to where I think he's going to be awesome?

I never said that he'd be awesome and I still don't think he'd be awesome. But to give him away for nothing wasn't the way to go. He's a good role player who knows how to win. You don't throw those guys away.

[WalterBenitez]

Holy shit, ARG's National TV was cut!??

Brazilian boy kicked the plug :oops

[ChumpDumper]

Can't find one.
http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/

[ShoogarBear]

Brazil would have done better if Barbosa had fouled out.

[timvp]

Scola to hit a game winner in 3 ... 2 ...
Bump.

:smokin

[Cherry]

Somebody give me a boxscore RIGHT NOW or else..............I'm gonna have to ask again. :lol
http://fiba-live.sportresult.com/events/FIBAAmer2007/game_stats.asp

[mardigan]

Brazil needs to stop jacking up 3s

[E20]

Nice J by Scola.

[ChumpDumper]

Link to where I think he's going to be awesome?This thread.


I never said that he'd be awesome and I still don't think he'd be awesome. But to give him away for nothing wasn't the way to go. He's a good role player who knows how to win. You don't throw those guys away.Nobody wanted to give anything up for him.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Scola and Prigioni pick and roll...all the way!

[WalterBenitez]

Jesus, I forgot how nervous could I be for a bbal game

[E20]

Scola has a pretty J, but his face it's worse than Stallone's, I mean it's lopsided.

[timvp]

Man, these Argentines know how to win. I'm not sure what's in the water down there. They have a team (minus Delfino) that is all about winning.

Impressive outing by Argentina.

[Spurs Brazil]

Barbosa just shows again he can't handle the pressure.

Brazil has no chance against Argentina on saturday

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

:lol @ Leandrinho choking Suns-style

[E20]

I can't wait for Arg vs USA, taht should be a good game. :tu

[objective]

Scola finishes with 23 and 12 against the likes of Nene and future NBAer Tiago Splitter.

[WalterBenitez]

Scola >>>> Tiago

[Cherry]

hell Yeah!

[picnroll]

Fact is Splitter had Scola under wraps and Scola couldn't do hardly jack against him. I'll take Splitter and his crappy O for the Spurs.

[mardigan]

Scola finishes with 23 and 11 against the likes of Nene and future NBAer Tiago Splitter.
How many points off fts?

[WalterBenitez]

I can't wait for Arg vs USA, taht should be a good game. :tu

USA will kick our ass, anyway we are gonna make some show over there

[T Park]

I like Argentina, but US is gonna blow em out of the water...

[timvp]

This thread.Where?


Nobody wanted to give anything up for him.Then either bring him in or call his bluff and keep him in Europe another season and bring him over next year.

Letting him stay in Europe > Giving him away

[Amuseddaysleeper]

spurs are gonna be killing themselves at letting scola go

I don't know what front office was thinking with that move.

[WalterBenitez]

How many points off fts?

all of them :lmao ... that's why we traded ... this kid made fts :lmao

[objective]

How many points off fts?

13

[Cherry]

They are singing "happy birthday" to Delfino :lol

[Spurs Brazil]

I hope those Spurs fan who still crying about Leandro trade stop complaining now

The guy sucks big time

Nash is so good that he makes players like Barbosa win the 6th man of the year

He needs to give the trophy to Manu.

[ChumpDumper]

Fact is Splitter had Scola under wraps and Scola couldn't do hardly jack against him. I'll take Splitter and his crappy O for the Spurs.His offense is REALLY bad, but he looks like another 20mpg Spur center right now, which is fine. Hopefully there is some upside there.

[objective]

It was never an either/or.

Spurs could have had both.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I hope those Spurs fan who still crying about Leandro trade stop complaining now

The guy sucks big time

Nash is so good that he makes players like Barbosa win the 6th man of the year

He needs to give the trophy to Manu.

all the ones who were crying about letting babrosa go are now crying about letting scola go

with good reason

[mardigan]

spurs are gonna be killing themselves at letting scola go

I don't know what front office was thinking with that move.
That we dont need another pf
I really doubt they are going to be killing themselves over this guy
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/sethhoward/mask003.jpg

[timvp]

Fact is Splitter had Scola under wraps and Scola couldn't do hardly jack against him. I'll take Splitter and his crappy O for the Spurs.How much of an improvement is Splitter going to be over Elson? Elson sucks but they'll be similar players over the next two or three years. I expect Splitter to develop into a better player than Elson could ever be but that won't be until like 2010.

Scola would be the bench low post scorer the Spurs have lacked since forever.

[ChumpDumper]

Then either bring him in or call his bluff and keep him in Europe another season and bring him over next year.

Letting him stay in Europe > Giving him awaySpurs didn't want the guy anymore, that's pretty much apparent. So they used him to do something else -- get rid of Butler.

[ChumpDumper]

How much of an improvement is Splitter going to be over Elson?He blocks shots and sets picks. That's an improvement over Elson already.

[timvp]

Spurs didn't want the guy anymore, that's pretty much apparent. So they used him to do something else -- get rid of Butler.
Salary dumping a guy with a one year contract making less than half the MLE is unheard of. The Spurs blazed a new trail with that move.

[timvp]

He blocks shots.He averaged like .5 blocks in Europe last year.

[ChumpDumper]

Salary dumping a guy with a one year contract making less than half the MLE is unheard of. The Spurs blazed a new trail with that move.Jackie has two years left. And this is in no way unprecedented.

[ShoogarBear]

I just figured something out: Chump is Peter Holt's accountant.

[objective]

Give me Splitter over Elson right now, period. Bad hook shot and all, poor post game and all, I'd rather Elson never play for the Spurs again and Splitter be in his place. The Splitter right now is how he looks after playing, what, 7 days in a row.

But that doesn't absolve the Spurs of making a trade that gifts a cheap talented player to a team like the Rockets.

[E20]

I was pretty quiet about the Scola thing, but this guy can play! If he wouldn't fit with Duncan, that's fine, let him come off the bench and play whenever Duncan isn't playing. IMO it could have been an assured time frame where Duncan is on the bench and we still have a scoring threat in the PF/C position. Defense can be learned and developed anytime and with Manu and Oberto there to help Scola he could have developed his D in training camp with the Spurs. But I'm glad he's in teh NBA, maybe after his contract with the Rockets the Spurs can sign him.

[timvp]

Jackie has two years left.Uh, no, Butler had one year left. His third year on his contract was a team option.

[ChumpDumper]

He averaged like .5 blocks in Europe last year.We've all seen examples this week how blocks are called outside the US. As I said, he's already at the 20mpg Spur center. Woo-hoo.

[ChumpDumper]

Uh, no, Butler had one year left. His third year on his contract was a team option.Not where I looked, but sure, fine -- one year. Still it's par for the luxury tax course. Especially if you want to bring someone else in and the player you're dumping will never play your type of basketball.

[timvp]

Give me Splitter over Elson right now, period. Bad hook shot and all, poor post game and all, I'd rather Elson never play for the Spurs again and Splitter be in his place. The Splitter right now is how he looks after playing, what, 7 days in a row. No question. Splitter >>>>>>>>>>>> Elson.


But that doesn't absolve the Spurs of making a trade that gifts a cheap talented player to a team like the Rockets.Exactly. That trade made zero sense then and still makes no sense. Who the hell would give away a piece like Scola just to get rid of the $2M contract?

[ChumpDumper]

Who the hell would give away a piece like Scola just to get rid of the $2M contract?A team that didn't want to pay $5 million to have Butler not play for them. It's ok to hate the reason, but that's the reason.

[timvp]

Not where I looked, but sure, fine -- one year.Are you pulling a ploto and looking at his draft capsule. :lol


Still it's par for the luxury tax course. Especially if you want to bring someone else in and the player you're dumping will never play your type of basketball.Show me another example where a team salary dumped a player on a one year contract worth less than half the MLE -- where to do so they gave up a top prospect.

[E20]

No question. Splitter >>>>>>>>>>>> Elson.

Exactly. That trade made zero sense then and still makes no sense. Who the hell would give away a piece like Scola just to get rid of the $2M contract?
If you're thinking what I'm thinking:

The Spurs and Scola made a deal so taht Scola will stink it up with the Rockets and they let Housten buy his contract out, then they offer a trade before the deadline:

Beno (Rafer Alston is out, they need a backup PG)
Forwards/C's that Spurs do not need/use
+Cash/picks

for Scola.

[timvp]

A team that didn't want to pay $5 million to have Butler not play for them. It's ok to hate the reason, but that's the reason.The Spurs could have salary dumped Beno using draft picks as bait and saved almost as much as they did by salary dumping Butler.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you pulling a ploto and looking at his draft capsule. :lolHoopshype.


Show me another example where a team salary dumped a player on a one year contract worth less than half the MLE -- where to do so they gave up a top prospect.Why are you moving the goalposts already?

Salary dumping a guy with a one year contract making less than half the MLE is unheard of.

[WalterBenitez]

wait a second... ARG must play against BRA again?

[T Park]

USA will kick our ass, anyway we are gonna make some show over there


agreed.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs could have salary dumped Beno using draft picks as bait and saved almost as much as they did by salary dumping Butler.Who's to say they haven't tried that aren't currently trying?

If you can find a link for me showing a better offer for Scola, that's cool. I never saw one this past year.

[timvp]

Who's to say they haven't tried that aren't currently trying?Beno and a first rounder to a team for nothing made more sense than that Rockets trade.


If you can find a link for me showing a better offer for Scola, that's cool. I never saw one this past year.Calling Scola's bluff and doing nothing with him would have been better than what they did.

[ChumpDumper]

Beno and a first rounder to a team for nothing made more sense than that Rockets trade.I'll remember that when that trade goes down.


Calling Scola's bluff and doing nothing with him would have been better than what they did.Who's to say it was a bluff? I don't know.

[T Park]

Calling Scola's bluff and doing nothing with him would have been better than what they did.

either way Holt is cheap.

plays right into the ownership hater's sweet spot.

[objective]

Calling Scola's bluff and doing nothing with him would have been better than what they did.

no one even thinks of the horrifying third option . . . paying him the miniscule chump change he had been asking for for over a year.

[T Park]

paying him the miniscule chump change he had been asking for for over a year

the full mle he asked for a year or two ago is chump change?

interesting.

[picnroll]

Salary dumping a guy with a one year contract making less than half the MLE is unheard of. The Spurs blazed a new trail with that move.
Scola = no Udoka

[ChumpDumper]

It's Monopoly money to us.

[timvp]

I'll remember that when that trade goes down.Thanks.


Who's to say it was a bluff? I don't know.Let's assume it wasn't a bluff. Would you rather have Scola on the Rockets or Tau?

[timvp]

no one even thinks of the horrifying third option . . . paying him the miniscule chump change he had been asking for for over a year.Makes too much sense.


the full mle he asked for a year or two ago is chump change?

interesting.That turned out to be untrue Spurs PR spin.


Scola = no UdokaTrade Beno = Welcome back Udoka.

[picnroll]

Thanks.

Let's assume it wasn't a bluff. Would you rather have Scola on the Rockets or Tau?
Don't care. Scola wouldn't see the floor against the Spurs biggest rivals in the playoffs, Dallas or Phoenix. Teams will go small against the Rockets and they won't be able to keep Yao and Scola on the floor either.

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks.

Let's assume it wasn't a bluff. Would you rather have Scola on the Rockets or Tau?Dunno. As I said before, I have no idea how Scola is going to work out in this league. Since you are so sure this is the worst trade the Spurs could possibly make, you must have pretty high expectations for Scola.

If he's an ineffective NBA player, then how does the trade look?

[picnroll]

Trade Beno = Welcome back Udoka.
Yep, teams were lining up for Beno

[timvp]

Yep, teams were linging up for BenoBeno and a first rounder for nothing certainly could have moved him.

[objective]

That turned out to be untrue Spurs PR spin.

which a lot of people fell for, including some that should have known better.

It was always something, like Scola 'demanding the full MLE!' or just as hilarious the 'Scola's buyout might not even be workable! Nobody knows! It could still be 9-14 million!' garbage that was put out.

Of course that was easily seen through nonsense also, didn't stop some intelligent posters from drinking it down gleefully.

[timvp]

If he's an ineffective NBA player, then how does the trade look?I guess it'd look better but I haven't seen anything to suggest Scola is going to suck. Bottomline is he knows how to win and plays to win.

Sounds like a player I'd want on my side.

[picnroll]

Yeah, the first rounder Splitter. Teams were buying better picks and not even having to take Beno.

[ChumpDumper]

Looks like we could just sign Esteban Batista to an offer sheet and forget all about Scola if FIBA play is what really matters. He's already dropped 12 on Team USA two minutes into the 2nd.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess it'd look better but I haven't seen anything to suggest Scola is going to suck. Bottomline is he knows how to win and plays to win.

Sounds like a player I'd want on my side.It's clear the Spurs did not.

I don't really know why, but that's what happened.

[timvp]

Yeah, the first rounder Splitter. Teams were buying better picks and not even having to take Beno.Future first round pick.

And teams were buying first rounders for $3M. You'd think someone would have bought one for half that (the $1.5M left on the books for Beno), wouldn't you?

[ducks]

Double Scola on the Rockets and you'll leave TMac or Yao open.
why they will be on the bench hurt

[timvp]

It's clear the Spurs did not.It's also clear that the Spurs' talent evaluators picked perhaps the worst player in the second round. That doesn't make me more confident that they will be right about Scola sucking.


I don't really know why, but that's what happened.True. But that doesn't mean it was the right move.

We'll see but everything I've seen of Scola tells me at worst he's a solid backup.

[ChumpDumper]

It's also clear that the Spurs' talent evaluators picked perhaps the worst player in the second round. That doesn't make me more confident that they will be right about Scola sucking.Well, there you go.


True. But that doesn't mean it was the right move.

We'll see but everything I've seen of Scola tells me at worst he's a solid backup.None of our fantasy moves ever have anything to do with real money, or real communication with other GMs or agents.

[picnroll]

Future first round pick.

And teams were buying first rounders for $3M. You'd think someone would have bought one for half that (the $1.5M left on the books for Beno), wouldn't you?
You're still assuming someone would take Beno for a first. They haven't been shy in the past about dumping picks to dump players. Maybe the market wasn't there.

[ducks]

Future first round pick.

And teams were buying first rounders for $3M. You'd think someone would have bought one for half that (the $1.5M left on the books for Beno), wouldn't you?
if beno is so good why is he still a spur
he is a cheap point guard

[ChumpDumper]

if beno is so good why is he still a spur:lol Well said.

[ducks]

a first round draft pick I bet would buy beno!

[timvp]

Sounds like ChumpDumper and picnroll want actual proof from another team's general manager. Even though my "fantasy trade" has the Spurs asking for half of the going rate for a first rounder. But yeah, I guess it's preposterous without an actual taped conversation in which an NBA general manager admits that they would have taken such a deal where they give up less than half what other teams routinely give up.

Sounds like I lost.

[ChumpDumper]

You just make all the assumptions that all armchair GMs do, including myself. There's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make it so.

But even though there is no evidence that anyone wants Beno or that the Spurs want to give up another future 1st rounder, it sounds like I lost.

[picnroll]

Rumors were Spurs were trying to trade Beno to Cleveland for their second, no? A second that was not far off where next years Spurs one is likely to be, no? And in a draft this year that was considered extremely deep compared to next years draft which is not that highly regarded, no? Or was that another "fantasy trade".

[ChumpDumper]

I mean we can argue whether the Spurs should have wanted Scola on the team, but once they decided they didn't, what should they have done? Try to call his bluff and run the risk of losing any trade value at all for him?

Or make the best deal possible in the short window of time when Scola was a free agent, getting rid of a current player that was useless to your system and making some room under the luxury tax threshold to get a player that seemed like a much better fit and set you up for further moves in the coming months?

[timvp]

You just make all the assumptions that all armchair GMs do, including myself. There's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make it so.

But even though there is no evidence that anyone wants Beno or that the Spurs want to give up another future 1st rounder, it sounds like I lost.I'm just glad that deductive reasoning isn't looked at so harshly in every situation in life.

*timvp, chumpdump, picnroll in a car*

timvp: Why did you run that red light?
CD: Who says it was ever going to turn green?
timvp: Uh, because it always turns green.
CD: Link?
timvp: How am I supposed to link to that?
pnr: ChumpDumper is right. How are we going to assume the light was going to turn green?
timvp: Even if it never turned green, at least you wouldn't be getting a ticket.
pcr: How do you know he's getting a ticket? Maybe he'll just get a warning.
CD: Link to me not getting pulled over if I didn't run that red light?
timvp: You don't get pulled over for sitting at a red light.
CD: How do you know that? You are just being an armchair policeman.

[ShoogarBear]

If he's an ineffective NBA player, then how does the trade look?It still looks shitty because the Spurs got 2 cents on the dollar for what they could have gotten. Whether it's a good trade or not has nothing to do with how Scola actually pans out, it has to do with his projected worth at this point.

[ShoogarBear]

Portland trades Greg Oden to the Spurs for Beno Udrich. Oden sucks and is out of the league after a year. Does that mean that Portland made a good trade?

[timvp]

Portland trades Greg Oden to the Spurs for Beno Udrich. Oden promptly breaks his leg and never plays an NBA game. Does that mean that Portland made a good trade?Why do you assume Portland could have gotten more for Oden? Link to the general manager taped convo admitting he would give up more?

[/tradedefenders]

[picnroll]

I guess Beno got traded to Cleveland and I missed the news.

[SequSpur]

Somebody want to get me up to speed on wtf you are talking about here?

[timvp]

I guess Beno got traded to Cleveland and I missed the news.Link to the Spurs offering a first rounder and Beno for nothing like I suggested?

[ShoogarBear]

Somebody want to get me up to speed http://www.elliottsamazing.com/gang.jpg

[anjlbitz]

Tiago will fit in with the Spurs. Excellent D and :lol @ the FT's.

Ahem. Don't forget his ability to clean the basketball with a Phoenix Sun (Amare block) + the Prince injury (dirty)

He'll fit right in!

[ChumpDumper]

It still looks shitty because the Spurs got 2 cents on the dollar for what they could have gotten. Whether it's a good trade or not has nothing to do with how Scola actually pans out, it has to do with his projected worth at this point.What could the Spurs have gotten for Scola? I truly didn't hear of any offers for him. And of course, it's fine to ignore roster and tax situations when you're using Monopoly money, but that has its own price in the NBA.

[ChumpDumper]

Link to the Spurs offering a first rounder and Beno for nothing like I suggested?I can certainly understand if the Spurs don't want to give up another future first rounder.

And I don't know where Oden comes into the equation for Beno, but that trade is certainly possible in fantasy land too. If you need that to be stipulated as theoretically possible as any other trade, you got it.

[Deimosfobos]

Scola should be a Spur :(

I know we'll regret giving him up for nothing... i can't see this guy being less than a good player on the NBA, wich is a lot more that what i can say about Bonner, Beno,...

[ShoogarBear]

What could the Spurs have gotten for Scola? I truly didn't hear of any offers for him. And of course, it's fine to ignore roster and tax situations when you're using Monopoly money, but that has its own price in the NBA.A first round pick is actually a useful commodity and still would have kept Peter and his legion of bean-counters happy.

Or Scola gets to sit in Europe, which is still better than what the Spurs did.

[ShoogarBear]

And I don't know where Oden comes into the equation for Beno, but that trade is certainly possible in fantasy land too. If you need that to be stipulated as theoretically possible as any other trade, you got it.The Oden example was meant only to illustrate in the most obvious way that saying "if Scola doesn't turn out to be a valuable player, then this will have been a good trade" is an absolute logical fallacy. What Scola does next year has no bearing on the fact that it was a horrible trade now.

But you already knew that.

[ChumpDumper]

A first round pick is actually a useful commodity and still would have kept Peter and his legion of bean-counters happy.Who was offering a first round pick for Scola?

[ChumpDumper]

The Oden example was meant only to illustrate in the most obvious way that saying "if Scola doesn't turn out to be a valuable player, then this will have been a good trade" is an absolute logical fallacy. What Scola does next year has no bearing on the fact that it was a horrible trade now.Oh, then that is a poor comparison since it depends solely on how one thinks the player will perform in the NBA, regardless of any fantasy injury. Oden is as close to a sure thing as can be imagined. Do you consider Scola a sure thing? I don't, but I know it costs what Scola got to find out. The Spurs didn't want to so the did what they could with Scola's rights in the time frame that was given them.

[smeagol]

:lmao @ the attempts to defend the Scola trade

[Clemenza]

Scola, Scola. THANK YOU SPURS; THANK YOU.

I Love The Spurs :spin :spin :spin :spin :drunk :hat :smokin :fro :santahat

[ArgSpursFan]

How many points off fts?

why don´t you ask :why He got fouled so many times instead???smarty pents? :lol

[wildchild]

Scola, Scola. THANK YOU SPURS; THANK YOU.
I Love The Spurs :spin :spin :spin :spin :drunk :hat :smokin :fro :santahat

You don´t abuse our forum hospitality :lol
Are you ready to cry in the playoffs? With Scola or without him, Houston lose against Spurs in 5.

[ShoogarBear]

Oh, then that is a poor comparison since it depends solely on how one thinks the player will perform in the NBA, regardless of any fantasy injury. Oden is as close to a sure thing as can be imagined. Do you consider Scola a sure thing? I don't, but I know it costs what Scola got to find out. The Spurs didn't want to so the did what they could with Scola's rights in the time frame that was given them.It is a perfect comparison, because it points out the complete logical absurdity of arguing that "it will be a good trade if Scola doesn't pan out".

[Martin R]

It's really a petty that Scola won't play next to Manu and Oberto. Spurs would have had 3 out of 5 Olympic Champions.

The Spurs still have a great team and the "loss" of Scola won't affect team's expectations for the next Season : REPEAT.

But.....let's have in mind that during the season we'll have those days where we'll regret for not having Scola and "viceversa".

The problem here is that we received nothing but money and a future pick for this trade, things that doesn't show up on the court next season.....that's a feeling of emptyness which leads everyone to think about a Scola as a Loss.

M

[Bruno]

My first reaction about the Scola trade is that it was really bad and then I tried to rationalize and ask myself these questions :

1) Were Spurs right not to spend $10M on Scola to get him with a Spurs jersey ?
2) Were Spurs right to give up on Butler ?
3) What kind of deal could have Spurs get for Scola if they hadn't packaged him with Butler in a cost cutting trade ?
4) Is trading Scola to Houston, a conference rival, a big deal ?
5) Was keeping Scola's right a better solution than trading him ?

My answers :
1) Maybe. Scola was a great player in Europe and has a lot of qualities but I have too serious concern about his ability to translate his game in nba. If I were Spurs GM, I think that I would have finally sign him but it's not an obvious choice. I'm not sure too than Spending $10M on Scola is a better move than spending $9M on Bonner.
2) Yes. Butler is talented but his lack of defense and his so-so attitude really hurt him.
3) I'm not sure that Spurs could have had a good package for Scola alone. The situation wasn't an easy one for Spurs : Tau's deadline, Scola must agree to be trade to a certain team, Scola asking for $10M and GMs questioning why Spurs haven't signed him.
4) No. I'm quite sure that Scola won't be better in his rookie year than other MLE bigmen like Joe Smith. Maybe in two or three years, it will hurt Spurs but I doubt it.
5) No. I really think that Scola would have signed an extension with Tau if Spurs have closed nba doors to him. Trading him has allowed Spurs to save some money and to spend it on other players.

I still don't like the Scola trade but I don't consider him as an horrible trade. I now think that it's a quite meaningless trade. Maybe I'm wrong and Scola and/or Butler will be very good nba players but we will see what will happen.

[ArgSpursFan]

My first reaction about the Scola trade is that it was really bad and then I tried to rationalize and ask myself these questions :

1) Were Spurs right not to spend $10M on Scola to get him with a Spurs jersey ?
2) Were Spurs right to give up on Butler ?
3) What kind of deal could have Spurs get for Scola if they hadn't packaged him with Butler in a cost cutting trade ?
4) Is trading Scola to Houston, a conference rival, a big deal ?
5) Was keeping Scola's right a better solution than trading him ?

My answers :
1) Maybe. Scola was a great player in Europe and has a lot of qualities but I have too serious concern about his ability to translate his game in nba. If I were Spurs GM, I think that I would have finally sign him but it's not an obvious choice. I'm not sure too than Spending $10M on Scola is a better move than spending $9M on Bonner.
2) Yes. Butler is talented but his lack of defense and his so-so attitude really hurt him.
3) I'm not sure that Spurs could have had a good package for Scola alone. The situation wasn't an easy one for Spurs : Tau's deadline, Scola must agree to be trade to a certain team, Scola asking for $10M and GMs questioning why Spurs haven't signed him.
4) No. I'm quite sure that Scola won't be better in his rookie year than other MLE bigmen like Joe Smith. Maybe in two or three years, it will hurt Spurs but I doubt it.
5) No. I really think that Scola would have signed an extension with Tau if Spurs have closed nba doors to him. Trading him has allowed Spurs to save some money and to spend it on other players.

I still don't like the Scola trade but I don't consider him as an horrible trade. I now think that it's a quite meaningless trade. Maybe I'm wrong and Scola and/or Butler will be very good nba players but we will see what will happen.

Just wait until your buddy Mahinmi and Tiago start sucking up with Spurs jerseys,and them talk.
we all gonna regret this trade,sooner or later.

[Jelly]

Spurs' fans should root for Argentina in this tournament.
If Argentina doesn't end in the top 2, they will have to play another Olympic qualifying tournament next year and Oberto and Ginobili will have a very busy summer next year.

Late coming into this thread, but I root for Argentina because we have a kinship with them now.

[ArgSpursFan]

hopefully we´ll win tonight and them we´ll go after the ¨Big timers¨.

:smokin

[mardigan]

The problem here is that we received nothing but money and a future pick for this trade, things that doesn't show up on the court next season.....that's a feeling of emptyness which leads everyone to think about a Scola as a Loss.

M
That money helped us get Udoka, who will be here next year. We also dont know how the pick will turn out. Im not judging this trade till everything is played out. The SPurs were happy with their team, i dont know why everyone else isnt

[ArgSpursFan]

He averaged like .5 blocks in Europe last year.

NBA doenst have the same rules for shots blocking tha FIBA.
Most of Tiago´s bolck under FIBA rules will be GOALTEANDING in the NBA.
So I´m not sure how good of a shot blocker Tiago can be under NBA rules.

[MajorMike]

NBA doenst have the same rules for shots blocking tha FIBA.
Most of Tiago´s bolck under FIBA rules will be GOALTEANDING in the NBA.
So I´m not sure how good of a shot blocker Tiago can be under NBA rules.

Oh, my lord, you saying that in 20 threads isn't going to make it so.

[mardigan]

Oh, my lord, you saying that in 20 threads isn't going to make it so.
I dont even think he watched the game, just looked at the stat sheet

[ArgSpursFan]

I dont even think he watched the game, just looked at the stat sheet

I did watched it,and was laughin my ass off out of the Scola´s haters. :lol

[ShoogarBear]

I hate darkies.

[mardigan]

I did watched it,and was laughin my ass off out of the Scola´s haters. :lol
:lol Why? Scola didnt prove shit other than he hustles, can make fts, and cant score with Splitter on him

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I hate darkies:lol that's right! I had forgotten about that

[ArgSpursFan]

We have to stop signing these Argies,otherwise our club will be called the San Anargentina espuelas,instead of San Antonio Spurs.

:fro

[ArgSpursFan]

Why? Scola didnt prove shit other than he hustles, can make fts, and cant score with Splitter on him

Let´s see...
he hustles,makes Fts.,good passer and is clutch.................
yeap,you are right, we don´t need him

[ducks]

Let´s see...
he hustles,makes Fts.,good passer and is clutch.................
yeap,you are right, we don´t need him
we do not for the full mle and have him play 5 minutes agame unless duncan gets hurt

[ArgSpursFan]

we do not for the full mle and have him play 5 minutes agame unless duncan gets hurt

yeap,but we signed Bonner for the same money............ :fro

[mardigan]

yeap,but we signed Bonner for the same money............ :fro
Whos proven he can play in the NBA

[ducks]

yeap,but we signed Bonner for the same money............ :fro
no booner was cheaper then the full mle and does not play the same place as duncan
booner shoots three pointers duncan does not

[urunobili]

Why? Scola didnt prove shit other than he hustles, can make fts, and cant score with Splitter on him
i can;t wait for a tiago vs scola match up 2009 season...

[urunobili]

Whos proven he can play in the NBA
Bonner is NO MATCH i mean... NOTHING compared to Scola...

[mardigan]

Bonner is NO MATCH i mean... NOTHING compared to Scola...
As far as NBA play right now, Scola is no match for Bonner

[Martin R]

As far as NBA play right now, Scola is no match for Bonner

If you watch 5 minutes of Scola's game, then you'll realize it is a NO BRAINER.
Bonner is a one dimensional player, he is a SHOOTER.
Scola can shoot, drive, rebound, hustle, pass....

[mardigan]

If you watch 5 minutes of Scola's game, then you'll realize it is a NO BRAINER.
Bonner is a one dimensional player, he is a SHOOTER.
Scola can shoot, drive, rebound, hustle, pass....
Ive watched, but how many of those things has Scola proved he can do in the NBA?

Bonner-1447 career NBA (thats the important part) points
Scola-0

[Martin R]

Ive watched, but how many of those things has Scola proved he can do in the NBA?

Bonner-1447 career NBA (thats the important part) points
Scola-0

Remember, NBA is still basketball.
You are saying something like "he needs to play in the NBA in order to see how skilled he is" ??
Isn't enough tomention he is Europe MVP? Manu anyone?

[picnroll]

Remember, NBA is still basketball.
You are saying something like "he needs to play in the NBA in order to see how skilled he is" ??
Isn't enough tomention he is Europe MVP? Manu anyone?
Sarunas.

The ones who's game sometimes hasn't translated well to the NBA have tended to be the ones who had questions about their ahtleticism, not even that athletic by European standards. Does that sound like something Scola may have on his resume? He may pan out but if Euro = NBA Sarunas would be a starting PG somewhere instead of a reserve in street clothes

[mardigan]

Remember, NBA is still basketball.
You are saying something like "he needs to play in the NBA in order to see how skilled he is" ??
Isn't enough tomention he is Europe MVP? Manu anyone?
Yea, but I also know that Matt Bonner avergaed 19 and 9 in the Italian league before he came over, hasnt translated all that well has it.
Or what about Sarunas Jasikevicius, who is a great Euro baller and Olympic baller? Or Carlos Arroyo who did great in a couple of Olympics, but hasnt done shit in the NBA? Or Maybe Spanoulis? Or Tsakalidis? Or Jaric?
I could go on and on, Euro success doesnt equal shit except Euro success. And no, basketball isnt just basketball
Yes, I need to see him in the NBA to see how good he will be

[mardigan]

And lets not forget about guys like Jiri Welsh, Zoran Planinic, who played for the best team in Croatia and in the Euro League; Alexander Pavlovic and Zarko Cabarkapa, teammates for Buducnost, one of the best teams in the Euro League; Zaur Pauchila, who played for one of Turkey’s best teams and in the Euro League. You get the point. I feel the same way about most college players as well, its a whole new game

[Martin R]

man, Bonner only played 33 games in Sicilia (Italy).....so don't throw me that shit. You can't compare Scola's Euro experience with Bonner's.

http://www2.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/players/Matt_Bonner/

but again, that's the way you think and I respect it. All I'm saying is that Scola's more talented and skilled than Bonner.
You don't need to see a player in the NBA to know how skilled he is...

[picnroll]

Bonner can hit the three. Scola can't. When Horry retires a replacement big that can hit the three will be needed.

[mardigan]

man, Bonner only played 33 games in Sicilia (Italy).....so don't throw me that shit. You can't compare Scola's Euro experience with Bonner's.

http://www2.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/players/Matt_Bonner/

but again, that's the way you think and I respect it. All I'm saying is that Scola's more talented and skilled than Bonner.
You don't need to see a player in the NBA to know how skilled he is...
I throw you whatever shit I want, he put up stats, all Im trying to say
As far as your last statment....



Nikoloz Tskitishvili
One of the most promising athletic big men in Europe, according to NBA scouts
Very, very SKILLED

How did that turn out?

[Martin R]

of course you'll find some examples to prove you right but again, to say that Bonner has more skills that Scola talks a lot about yout BB IQ.

M

[mardigan]

of course you'll find some examples to prove you right but again, to say that Bonner has more skills that Scola talks a lot about yout BB IQ.

M
I guess so, must be pretty low huh?
Scola has shown skill where he plays.
But if he will have those same skills against guys bigger, faster and stronger is yet to be seen

[objective]

yeap,but we signed Bonner for the same money............ :fro

What's even more sad is that Bonner may be getting more, there's been more than one report iirc that had Scola's salary at 7.5 for 3 years.

AND the Spurs could have signed Scola for his current deal last summer.

Too bad that all the forum experts and mods went on and on with their minsinfo so much about full MLEs, buyouts, and attitude nonsense that it turned so many Spurs fans into Scola-haters.

Don't hold it against them too much though, for they are simple people.

[MajorMike]

Tiago Splitter fouled out halfway through the fourth quarter, which opened the floodgates for Argentina's Luis Scola, who had been bottled up by Splitter until that point.

[smeagol]

As far as NBA play right now, Scola is no match for Bonner
:lol :lol :lol

Good one.

You probably think he is no match to Beno either.

[ducks]

Bonner can hit the three. Scola can't. When Horry retires a replacement big that can hit the three will be needed.
:clap :clap

[E20]

Some of you say Bonner > Scola, but consider the fact that Scola has held his own against Team USA in past qualifying tournaments and olympics and Bonner would not be able to hold it up against those types of stars let alone back up PF/C's in the NBA.

[ducks]

booner fills a role with spurs better then scola
with his outside shooting
scola plays where duncan plays

[ChumpDumper]

Some of you say Bonner > Scola, but consider the fact that Scola has held his own against Team USA in past qualifying tournaments and olympics and Bonner would not be able to hold it up against those types of stars let alone back up PF/C's in the NBA.Ok, so I want to sign Esteban Batista then. After all, he's proven his dominance in Atlanta as well as this FIBA tournament, right?

[E20]

Ok, so I want to sign Esteban Batista then. After all, he's proven his dominance in Atlanta as well as this FIBA tournament, right?
A) I don't know Esteban Batista
B) No one said anything about dominating. More like holding there own against Team USA
C) Has Esteban Batista played good against Team USA specifically? The other countries don't really count, if you want to semi-translate someone's FIBA game to the NBA game.

[ChumpDumper]

A) I don't know Esteban BatistaYou should.
B) No one said anything about dominating. More like holding there own against Team USAEsteban was dominating. He dropped 10 points on Team USA in the first quarter. His coach only let him play 24 minutes to save him for future games, otherwise he would've ended up with over 30 points.
C) Has Esteban Batista played good against Team USA specifically, the other countries don't really count, if you want to semi-translate someone's FIBA game to the NBA game.See above.

And he has already been in the NBA for two seasons. I'm surprised you haven't heard of his dominant performances in Atlanta.

[E20]

You should.Esteban was dominating. He dropped 10 points on Team USA in the first quarter. His coach only let him play 24 minutes to save him for future games, otherwise he would've ended up with over 30 points.See above.

And he has already been in the NBA for two seasons. I'm surprised you haven't heard of his dominant performances in Atlanta.
Chump, I'm not a Hawks fan like you, so I don't follow ATL that much. :lol

But, Esteban Batista sounds like a baller, if he had his dominate performances, Did he?, because I wasn't sure if you are being sarcastic, about his dominant performances or what?

But, another question(s) for you: How many games did Esteban Batista play against the USA? Is that normal of him to play like that, did he play on his average like he would any other game? Was he on fire? Maybe he was lucky? Was he ball-hoggin? Scola has played the USA more than on one occasion and has taken the role of a supporting player and main option, and I'm using this example of semi-translating the NBA game to the FIBA game because since you're playing Team USA, that's the type of competition/atheleticism you'll be going up against in the NBA night-in and night-out, the other half would be adjusting to the rules/style of play, but if you can stay with the other players on the court then you have a good chance of transitioning into the NBA style.

[ChumpDumper]

But, Esteban Batista sounds like a baller, if he had his dominate performances, Did he?, because I wasn't sure if you are being sarcastic, about his dominant performances or what?I am being sarcastic about his dominant performances in Atlanta.
But, another question(s) for you: How many games did Esteban Batista play against the USA? Is that normal of him to play like that, did he play on his average like he would any other game?Any other game in this tournament, yes. He's the third-leading scorer and leading rebounder in the tournament.
Scola has played the USA more than on one occasion, and I'm using this example of semi-translating the NBA game to the FIBA game because since you're playing Team USA, that's the type of competition/atheleticism you'll be going up against in the NBA night-in and night-out, the other half would be adjusting to the rules/style of play, but if you can stay with the other players on the court then you have a good chance of transitioning into the NBA style.And Tim Duncan sucks in FIBA.

[E20]

Tim Duncan sucks in FIBA.
My point on the other half adjusting to the rules and style. Some people can't and some people can. Scola can play against NBA-competition, but we'll have to see if he can adjust to the rules which IMO shouldn't be hard, I mean so far Argentina has produced 4 players who are the top players on there national teams to sucessfully play in the NBA, so Scola's odds at that seem good. I'm eager to see Scola play against Team USA today, see how that goes.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm eager to see him play in the NBA, because that's the only way anyone will know.

[E20]

Another thing Scola has taken the role of a supporting player and main option and has been successful in both, maybe Batista's problem was that he needed to be the main option in ATL to get anything done/be productive or no?

[mardigan]

:lol :lol :lol

Good one.

You probably think he is no match to Beno either.
Again, what has Scola proven in the NBA?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm putting Batista out there as clear evidence that performance in FIBA is not a great indicator of how a player will perform in the NBA. I can't make any clear predictions about Scola in the NBA. If you can, more power to you.

[E20]

Chump you should have stayed in Las Vegas longer for the FIBA tournament.

[ChumpDumper]

Would've been fun. I'm surprised the turnout is so low.

[E20]

I'm putting Batista out there as clear evidence that performance in FIBA is not a great indicator of how a player will perform in the NBA. I can't make any clear predictions about Scola in the NBA. If you can, more power to you.
I agree, but one thing that can see if you can handle the NBA game is to see if you can handle the NBA talent. Look at the games played against Team USA and not any other team, so stats against other countries would not be held accountable, just performance against Team USA, but then you'd have to hold in to account all the minor differences, Court dimensions, time length, Refs etc....

I just put that in because a big factor of being able to play in the NBA, besides style/rules, is to see if you can run and keep up with the NBA guys.

[mardigan]

I agree, but one thing that can see if you can handle the NBA game is to see if you can handle the NBA talent. Look at the games played against Team USA and not any other team, so stats against other countries would not be held accountable, just performance against Team USA, but then you'd have to hold in to account all the minor differences, Court dimensions, time length, Refs etc....

I just put that in because a big factor of being able to play in the NBA, besides style/rules, is to see if you can run and keep up with the NBA guys.
You mean like Carlos Arroyo?

[E20]

You mean like Carlos Arroyo?
I'm talking about maintaining an NBA career and staying, not dominating and being a star and Arroyo has done that. So yeah, Arroyo would count.

[mardigan]

I'm talking about maintaining an NBA career and staying, not dominating and being a star and Arroyo has done that. So yeah, Arroyo would count.
Well if thats the bar being set for Scola I can totally agree, he wil be a servicable player no doubt. Just getting tired of all these dipshits acting like its a given he will be some kind of 18 and 10 guy

[E20]

Well if thats the bar being set for Scola I can totally agree, he wil be a servicable player no doubt. Just getting tired of all these dipshits acting like its a given he will be some kind of 18 and 10 guy
Yeah, I don't expect that either, I'm thinking he's like Oberto except with a better offensive output.

[smeagol]

Again, what has Scola proven in the NBA?
What is you point?

Anybody who has not played in the NBA is in Scola's same position.

Isn't that obvious?

[smeagol]

Well if thats the bar being set for Scola I can totally agree, he wil be a servicable player no doubt. Just getting tired of all these dipshits acting like its a given he will be some kind of 18 and 10 guy
All I'm saying is that the Houston trade sucked ass and I find it funny that some people right such long eassays to defend it.

[mardigan]

What is you point?

Anybody who has not played in the NBA is in Scola's same position.

Isn't that obvious?

Apparently not to some people
Bonner has proved he can play in the NBA, Scola hasnt
Not saying he wont contribute, but no one really knows how good or bad he will be

[ChumpDumper]

All I'm saying is that the Houston trade sucked ass and I find it funny that some people right such long eassays to defend it.Doesn't really need defending. The Spurs had a limited window in which to get rid of Scola and this was the best deal. You can certainly say it sucks and we should have paid Butler for nothing one more year and not signed Udoka, but Scola wasn't going to be a Spur regardless.

[WalterBenitez]

Scola > Nazr > Rasho

[ArgSpursFan]

Yea, but I also know that Matt Bonner avergaed 19 and 9 in the Italian league before he came over, hasnt translated all that well has it.

yeah,but in a sorry ass loosing team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
probably the 80% of his points in Europe were already in garbage time when his team was already loosing by 25,WTF?????????

[mardigan]

yeah,but in a sorry ass loosing team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
probably the 80% of his points in Europe were already in garbage time when his team was already loosing by 25,WTF?????????
More bullshit posts by you, just throw shit out there and hope its true. You are the worst Spur fan ever, you only care about the players from your country, not the team

And btw,


2003 Sicilia 33 0 36.8 54.3% 36.1% 81.4% 2.3 0.3 19.2
Mpg is highlighted for ya

[ArgSpursFan]

More bullshit posts by you, just throw shit out there and hope its true. You are the worst Spur fan ever, you only care about the players from your country, not the team
No bullshit at all.go back and see who He played for.
It was a sorry ass loosing team.NO bullshit.
Bottomline: SCOLA>bonner

[mardigan]

No bullshit at all.go back and see who He played for.
It was a sorry ass loosing team.NO bullshit.
Bottomline: SCOLA>bonner
Not in the NBA

[mardigan]

No bullshit at all.go back and see who He played for.
It was a sorry ass loosing team.NO bullshit.
Bottomline: SCOLA>bonner
No stupid, talking about you trying to say he got his points in garbage time, but i already proved that wrong, so once again, your just a idiot that doesnt know what he's talking about

[Dartherus]

More bullshit posts by you, just throw shit out there and hope its true. You are the worst Spur fan ever, you only care about the players from your country, not the team

And btw,


2003 Sicilia 33 0 36.8 54.3% 36.1% 81.4% 2.3 0.3 19.2
Mpg is highlighted for ya
It was the WORST team in italian league, Scola at 19, playing for Cabitel Gijon, a spanish team better than Sicilia, but far worse than Tau Ceramica, had stellar stats (he was a one man show in that team, and saved that team from being sent to an inferior division, the next year, after Scola went to Tau, the team couldn't avoid being kicked out of ACB league) that couldn't repeat in Tau Ceramica after several seasons of improvements....

comparing Sicilia's stats with Tau Ceramica stats is like comparing Atlanta Hawks stats (or even NBDL stats) with Spurs stats.

Will you insist now comparing crappy team stats with a perennial Euroleague's Final Four team stats?

[ArgSpursFan]

No stupid, talking about you trying to say he got his points in garbage time, but i already proved that wrong, so once again, your just a idiot that doesnt know what he's talking about
I do.
Scola>Bonner,Elson,Tiago,Mahimni(all together if you want)
Book it,coze you like the rest will regret it later.
Me as a spurs fan am already regreting it.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

This trade happened months ago and people are still slaving over him and completely forgot they are Spurs fans.

[ArgSpursFan]

More bullshit posts by you, just throw shit out there and hope its true. You are the worst Spur fan ever, you only care about the players from your country, not the team

And btw,


2003 Sicilia 33 0 36.8 54.3% 36.1% 81.4% 2.3 0.3 19.2
Mpg is highlighted for ya

you don´t get it do you?
I´m not saying He just played garbage time,I´m saying that his team lost most of the games they played by far.
So many of the point Bonner scored in the 2nd half were on garbage time.

[ducks]

Scola > Nazr > Rasho
I do not think any poster here thinks otherwise

[saporvida]

I do not think any poster here thinks otherwise

i think it goes more like this.... rasho > nazr > scola... scola has done jack shit in the nba thus far and he is above the other established(not awesome) nba players? fuck that! i give scola no credit up to this point.

[WalterBenitez]

I do not think any poster here thinks otherwise

just in case ... just in case

[ChumpDumper]

This trade happened months ago and people are still slaving over him and completely forgot they are Spurs fans.Many of these guys were never Spurfans in the first place.

[mavs>spurs2]

Lmao at this Argentinian douche

The Spurs have the best front office in the entire league. If they let Scola go, then I trust their judgement that maybe he's not quite the next Jordan. Best case scenario he will turn into a solid role player, nothing more.

Hell, if the Mavs had the Spurs FO they would have about 2-3 championships by now. The dumbasses we got running things haven't addressed our inside scoring problems since Roy Tarpley got kicked out for drug use. Not to mention paying Erik Dampier 65 mill, Shawn Bradley's contract, Finley's contract, Tariq Abdul Wahad, etc. Spur fans should count their blessings instead of crying over Luis fucking Scola, give me a damn break.

[saporvida]

Lmao at this Argentinian douche

The Spurs have the best front office in the entire league. If they let Scola go, then I trust their judgement that maybe he's not quite the next Jordan. Best case scenario he will turn into a solid role player, nothing more.

Hell, if the Mavs had the Spurs FO they would have about 2-3 championships by now. The dumbasses we got running things haven't addressed our inside scoring problems since Roy Tarpley got kicked out for drug use. Not to mention paying Erik Dampier 65 mill, Shawn Bradley's contract, Finley's contract, Tariq Abdul Wahad, etc. Spur fans should count their blessings instead of crying over Luis fucking Scola, give me a damn break.

1 simple solution... trade dirk for someone who aint gonna bail on his team in a crucial playoffs series yr end yr out.

[mavs>spurs2]

You might be right, or just bring in someone with some balls to compliment Dirk. Either way, something should be done while we still have the means to be contenders.

[ChumpDumper]

Scola would actually be a pretty good fit in Dallas, offensively at least.

[saporvida]

You might be right, or just bring in someone with some balls to compliment Dirk. Either way, something should be done while we still have the means to be contenders.

i agree.

[ChumpDumper]

BTW, Splitter had 13 points and 7 rebounds in 27 minutes today against Uruguay.

Batista had 17 points and 10 rebounds in 40 minutes.

[T Park]

damn 14 and 7 death and taxes.

Every game Splitter seems to get this.

[timvp]

damn 14 and 7 death and taxes.

Every game Splitter seems to get this.Splitter has gotten 14 and 7 or better once out of eight games.

[T Park]

hes had lots of good games come on....

[T Park]

Well I looked it up and I don't know if they count tonight or not BUT,

Splitter is averaging 11.2 points and 7.2 rebounds.

So not the points, but hes averaging the rebounds.

average 7 boards a game in only 25 minutes played.

Say he plays as well in the NBA, and plays 30 mins a night.

He could average 8 or 9 a game.


Suhweet....

[ArgSpursFan]

Well I looked it up and I don't know if they count tonight or not BUT,

Splitter is averaging 11.2 points and 7.2 rebounds.

So not the points, but hes averaging the rebounds.

average 7 boards a game in only 25 minutes played.

Say he plays as well in the NBA, and plays 30 mins a night.

He could average 8 or 9 a game.



Suhweet....

I thought,FIBA games didnt count as far as translating it to the NBA.........
..........at least with Scola,looks like Spliter is a diferent thing though...

[SpursIndonesia]

NBA doenst have the same rules for shots blocking tha FIBA.
Most of Tiago´s bolck under FIBA rules will be GOALTEANDING in the NBA.
So I´m not sure how good of a shot blocker Tiago can be under NBA rules.

LOL, i suppose SpursDynasty has an argentinean cousin to hold the line of idiocy while he's away. :donkey

[ArgSpursFan]

LOL, i suppose SpursDynasty has an argentinean cousin to hold the line of idiocy while he's away. :donkey

yeap,and you can hold my Dick while you´re here too bitch.

[SpursIndonesia]

yeap,and you can hold my Dick while you´re here too bitch.

LOL, such a :dramaquee of an :donkey . :elephant

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Many of these guys were never Spurfans in the first place.
True.

[2centsworth]

True.
that's when you know someone has lost an argument. When they bust out the "True" fan smack.

I'm wrong but I'm a "True" fan. Lame.

[ChumpDumper]

The people of which I speak are spurfans only as long as Argentinians are on the team.

It is indeed true, so don't be a bitch about my pointing it out.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

that's when you know someone has lost an argument. When they bust out the "True" fan smack.

I'm wrong but I'm a "True" fan. Lame.

:wtf Did this make any sense?

[ChumpDumper]

:wtf Did this make any sense?Ask Taruky.

[Martin R]

so mardigan, what do you think of Scola now, after last night's performance vs the US team?
Do you still think Bonner is better? :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

Today is the rematch of ARG-Brazil

[WalterBenitez]

BRA is favorite
my prediction ARG in overtime

[Spurs Brazil]

Reports here in Brazil are all the players are against the coach staff.

After the Argentina loss they have a players only meeting and decided the would do all by themselfs.

Marcos Vinicis, from the Hornets, is back to Brazil after he got injured in the tounament and in a interview for newspaper Lance, he said the players hate the coach and nobody respects him. He also said there aren't any specifics plays, only give the ball to Barbosa and wait

As I said in the beggining of the tournament, with this coach Brazil has no chance.

[smeagol]

Reports here in Brazil are all the players are against the coach staff.

After the Argentina loss they have a players only meeting and decided the would do all by themselfs.

Marcos Vinicis, from the Hornets, is back to Brazil after he got injured in the tounament and in a interview for newspaper Lance, he said the players hate the coach and nobody respects him. He also said there aren't any specifics plays, only give the ball to Barbosa and wait

As I said in the beggining of the tournament, with this coach Brazil has no chance.
I read the same reports in Argentina.

That guy must be a jerk or he must be clueless.

[ArgSpursFan]

Reports here in Brazil are all the players are against the coach staff.

After the Argentina loss they have a players only meeting and decided the would do all by themselfs.

Marcos Vinicis, from the Hornets, is back to Brazil after he got injured in the tounament and in a interview for newspaper Lance, he said the players hate the coach and nobody respects him. He also said there aren't any specifics plays, only give the ball to Barbosa and wait

As I said in the beggining of the tournament, with this coach Brazil has no chance.

I don´t think the coach is the issue here,but a Barboza issue.Some player like Marcos don´t want to depend only on Barboza,wich I agree,Coze there´s no S.Nash in this team like in Phoenix.
If they share the ball it´s gonna be a great game.No doubt.

[wildchild]

Reports here in Brazil are all the players are against the coach staff.

After the Argentina loss they have a players only meeting and decided the would do all by themselfs.

Marcos Vinicis, from the Hornets, is back to Brazil after he got injured in the tounament and in a interview for newspaper Lance, he said the players hate the coach and nobody respects him. He also said there aren't any specifics plays, only give the ball to Barbosa and wait

As I said in the beggining of the tournament, with this coach Brazil has no chance.

No name? Some of them:Nene. He hates the coach and all brazilian basketball organization. He didn't play WorldChampionship 2006 because of that.

[picnroll]

I didn't know Brazil had a coach.

[Spurs Brazil]

I don´t think the coach is the issue here,but a Barboza issue.Some player like Marcos don´t want to depend only on Barboza,wich I agree,Coze there´s no S.Nash in this team like in Phoenix.
If they share the ball it´s gonna be a great game.No doubt.

I think Barbosa is a problem but because of the coaching staff, who are terrible and let Barbosa be the "owner" of the team

Marcus Vinicius says the coach is afraid to scream at Nene or Leandro.

It's a big mess

[wildchild]

I think Barbosa is a problem but because of the coaching staff, who are terrible and let Barbosa be the "owner" of the team

Marcus Vinicius says the coach is afraid to scream at Nene or Leandro.

It's a big mess

Then the coach hasn't balls or personality. Really, I'm sorry for Brazilian National Team.

[ArgSpursFan]

I think Barbosa is a problem but because of the coaching staff, who are terrible and let Barbosa be the "owner" of the team

Marcus Vinicius says the coach is afraid to scream at Nene or Leandro.

It's a big mess

So it´s an Egos problem though.but not the coach.
they should understand that the NT jerseys is beyond the personal stats and protagonism.
But still,if they share the ball well like in the 1st half vs Argentina the other day,it will be a hell of a game.
I say the best D will win the game,regardless of the fgs %.

[Switchman]

These bastards at time warner took away my espn classic :depressed:

[ArgSpursFan]

These bastards at time warner took away my espn classic :depressed:

:lol it would´ve been awsome.+now that Bowen is close to retirement,he would´ve been the perfect fit,for years to come.

[mardigan]

so mardigan, what do you think of Scola now, after last night's performance vs the US team?
Do you still think Bonner is better? :lol
:lol

My take yesterday, maybe if you would read you would already know my take


He did look very good on offense, but he also wasnt be guarded by a NBA pf the whole game. He scored a lot of his points of of easy layups, but he moves well without the ball, and with Yaos passing, he could very well get a lot of easy looks next year
Hid d isnt great, but the foul trouble might be attributed to him having to guard sfs all game.
The only problem I saw, was that he did have a little trouble getting deep post position against smaller guys. I just want to see him play against an actual NBA pf

Again, I never said Bonner had more talent, only that RIGHT NOW, hes proven that he can play in the NBA, which Scola hasnt. SO again, what did I say that was wrong?

[Spurs Brazil]

A very nice article about Scola and Prigioni talking about Tiago

Prigioni said Tiago and Leandro are the main Brazil players and he likes to play with Tiago because he's a very fast player and he's always knows where he needs to be

Scola said he helped him a lot, especially on D because Tiago always guarded the best oppossite big man so Scola could save energy to play in the offense

Scola also said Tiago is ready to take a bigger hole this year with Tau and said the sky is the limit to Tiago

http://esporte.uol.com.br/basquete/u...t4356u902.jhtm



Splitter luta contra "inimigos íntimos" da Argentina
Giancarlo Giampietro
Enviado especial do UOL
Em Las Vegas (EUA)
Duas peças fundamentais da seleção argentina têm ligações estreitas com um dos destaques brasileiros no Pré-Olímpico. O armador Pablo Prigioni e o ala-pivô Luis Scola foram companheiros do pivô Tiago Splitter nas últimas quatro temporadas. Neste sábado, às 17 h (horário de Brasília), eles estarão de frente na disputa pela classificação a Pequim-2008.

Os dois argentinos são um dos poucos da equipe principal a se apresentarem para a competição em Las Vegas. E não desapontaram em suas funções. Scola, que assinou com o Houston Rockets para 2007-2008, é o oitavo cestinha do torneio, com 18,1 pontos por partida. Apesar da atenção que recebe a cada partida, isso não impediu que tivesse aproveitamento de 55,5 % nos arremessos. Já Prigioni é o líder disparado nas assistências, com 7,1 por jogo, contra cinco do segundo colocado, Jason Kidd.

Os dois jogadores não escondem a admiração pelo pivô catarinense ao comentar seu rendimento na competição. Depois de ser o destaque da seleção brasileira no Mundial, Splitter mantém a regularidade nos Estados Unidos. São as conseqüências de um progresso constante no basquete espanhol.

"Tiago está sendo um dos principais jogadores de sua equipe com Leandrinho. Acho que eles são a base da seleção", afirmou Prigioni. O pivô tem médias de 11,3 pontos, 7,2 rebotes e 1,3 toco por jogo.

Ambos os argentinos foram figuras importantes para esse crescimento. Como condutor do TAU, o armador foi quem controlou grande parte das jogadas para Splitter nos últimos anos na Espanha. "É muito fácil de jogar com ele, porque se trata de um pivô muito ágil e inteligente, que sabe se posicionar bem e está sempre atento em nossas movimentações", avaliou o armador.

Já Scola traz um efeito ambivalente para o catarinense. Sua presença e talento centralizaram os ataques do time basco no garrafão e relegaram Splitter para uma função de coadjuvante. Esse fator, porém, forçou o brasileiro a procurar desenvolver outros aspectos de seu jogo para ganhar espaço na equipe.

"Ele me ajudou muito. Sua forma de jogar complementou muito meu basquete. No ataque, ele se move constantemente e me liberava a quadra. Também é muito bom na defesa com seu tamanho e envergadura e, por isso, me poupou de marcar os jogadores maiores", afirmou o ala-pivô.

Splitter agora vai usar esses recursos defensivos novamente para tentar barrar o "mentor". Na partida da primeira fase, o jogador se deu bem na missão até se carregar de faltas. O argentino só jogou e foi decisivo quando o ex-companheiro saiu de quadra.

Depois do Pré-Olímpico, Splitter retorna ao TAU, mas dessa vez sem a sombra de Scola. O astro argentino afirma que o jogador está pronto para se tornar uma figura de impacto no basquete europeu e espanhol. "Ele vem jogando em um nível alto há um tempo, mas neste ano creio ele vai se firmar de maneira definitiva. É um jogador que não tem nenhum limite, magnífico, com muitas condições físicas, técnicas e com muita cabeça. Pode chegar aonde quiser."

[Cherry]

Brazil vs. Argentina (Lets do this!) :ihit

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

is this game on TV?