Brazil vs. Argentina v2 - Game Blog

[timvp]

Brazil and Argentina play at 3PM CST. The winner goes to the Olympics. The loser goes home. Everything is on the line.

Last time these two teams played, Splitter guarded Scola well. But Scola had a hand in Splitter fouling out and after Splitter fouled out, Scola went off.

This should be a very interesting game. It starts in 30 minutes but I haven't found what channel it's on.

Any help?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Espn360

[whottt]

I <3 Scola

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

If Splitter fouls out, Argentina by 7.
If Splitter stays in, Brazil by 4.

[objective]

Will that ESPN online be available to everyone or just people whose ISPs pay for it.

Damn Time Warner took ESPNclassic off basic

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I don't know. I've never used ESPN 360 before.

[Kori Ellis]

Weird that ESPNClassic was taken off today - did they send out a warning? I didn't see it.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I still have ESPNClassic so I don't know what the deal is.

[Kori Ellis]

I still have ESPNClassic so I don't know what the deal is.

We have it on DirecTV (downstairs) but not on TW (upstairs), as of today.

[objective]

Weird that ESPNClassic was taken off today - did they send out a warning? I didn't see it.

Time Warner announced it about three weeks ago that it would be taken off the regular package in one of the many ways they try to drive people to taking up satellite.

[Switchman]

Fuck Time Warner.

[Cherry]

Come on Argentina :hungry:

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago with rhe first 2

[GoSpurs21]

Brazil and Argentina play at 3PM CST. The winner goes to the Olympics. The loser goes home. Everything is on the line.

Last time these two teams played, Splitter guarded Scola well. But Scola had a hand in Splitter fouling out and after Splitter fouled out, Scola went off.

This should be a very interesting game. It starts in 30 minutes but I haven't found what channel it's on.

Any help?I thought that Arg gets automatic invite to olympics for winning the last time. Is this not true?

[Spurs Brazil]

Brazil up 10-5

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago with the reb and ast

Brazil up 12-8

[Spurs Brazil]

Argentina move the ball very well

Nene injured on the bench

[Spurs Brazil]

Time out

Brazil up 14-10

[Spurs Brazil]

Nene with a calf injury, going to the locker room

He's out

[WalterBenitez]

Nene is out, I hope not a serious injury

[timvp]

Is this game being shown online anywhere?

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago 1st foul in the game

With Nene out he must stay alway from foul trouble

Brazil up 20-15 with 2:24 to go

[Spurs Brazil]

Nene is out, I hope not a serious injury

I think is a strain calf

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago playing good D on Scola

[WalterBenitez]

17-20 good game

[Spurs Brazil]

Valtinho playing very well

End of 1st Brazil up 22-17

[da_suns_fan__]

Stream?

[WalterBenitez]

17-22 thi game will be complicated for ARG, BRA is doing well for 3s and rebounding well, and we are losing stupid balls

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago with a GREAT D on Scola

Brazil up 24-17

[objective]

god I really hate Time Warner

Tried to get a friend who has the TW digital package to DVR it for me, but they removed it from his regular digital package too, so he's lost the channel completely unless he pays more.

[Spurs Brazil]

Brazil up 26-21 with 6:00 to go in the 2nd quarter

[Switchman]

god I really hate Time Warner

Tried to get a friend who has the TW digital package to DVR it for me, but they removed it from his regular digital package too, so he's lost the channel completely unless he pays more.

Word. I have digital box in the main room and I can't find it. This sucks.

[Spurs Brazil]

Leandro refuses to pass the ball, took a bad shot and Argentina got a and one

Alex with a big shot

Brazil up 28-26

[mardigan]

Scola's got 8 points

[Spurs Brazil]

Alex plays very well. I really hope some team invate him to camp

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago with a big block

Brazil up 37-34

[Spurs Brazil]

Guilherme with a 3 and a foul on Scola

Halftime

Brazil up 43-35

[yavozerb]

Was looking forward to watching this game on NBA.com, oh well? Once ESPN gets involved, forget about it!!

[Behrooz24]

Fuck time warner

[WalterBenitez]

Halftime, the best is coming :eyebrows

[Kori Ellis]

Don't be mad at TW - the game isn't even on ESPNClassic anyway. We have the channel on DirecTV and it's a football game.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

FUKK THIS, this was supposed to be ESPN classic

[T Park]

Yeah I don't get this ESPN Classic stuff.........

[Kori Ellis]

FUKK THIS, this was supposed to be ESPN classic

It's on ESPN Classic later tonight on tape delay after the US game.

[ScolaDynasty]

Don't worry guys. Scola will single-handedly bring us back to the victory like last time.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

already with 11pts

[xamila rey]

I Have Espn, Which One Would Be The Chanel??
Can Anyone Tell Me??
Thanx!

[objective]

even if it's on later tonight I still won't be able to watch on basic.

Satellite . . . soon.

[Behrooz24]

USA vs. Puerto Rico will be on espn classic
...fuck time warner



Streaming links for both games: http://myp2p.eu/NBA.htm

[yavozerb]

Only able to follow play by play on 2007 fiba page..

[ChumpDumper]

Well, Splitter only has one foul. That may bode well for Brazil.

[Spurs Brazil]

Leandro and one

Brazil up 48-40

[objective]

just going by the box

Scola is 6-9 with 15 points and 4 rebounds

Splitter is 1-6 with 4 points and 2 rebounds

[Spurs Brazil]

Argentina on a 9-2 run

Brazil up 53-49

[WalterBenitez]

this hit is making eat my nails :guin

[WalterBenitez]

Scola :D

[Spurs Brazil]

Brazil is lost in the 2nd half just like last game

Argentina up 54-53

[ALVAREZ6]

Come on fuckers give me a victory.

[objective]

Splitter got blocked by Kammerichs?

[WalterBenitez]

If we win this game, Scola will be the MVP, jesus I never saw him playing at this level.

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago playing a horriblr offense game today

[Kori Ellis]

So forgive my ignorance on the system .. whoever loses has to try to qualify in the tourney next year right before the Olympics?

[objective]

So forgive my ignorance on the system .. whoever loses has to try to qualify in the tourney next year right before the Olympics?

i believe so

[Spurs Brazil]

Scola playing great

[kolko]

wow, Scola playing excellent
21 pts (8/12 FG) 8 rbds

[Spurs Brazil]

So forgive my ignorance on the system .. whoever loses has to try to qualify in the tourney next year right before the Olympics?

Yes with teams of the rest of the world

[kolko]

So forgive my ignorance on the system .. whoever loses has to try to qualify in the tourney next year right before the Olympics?
Yes

[objective]

as of now:

Scola : 21 and 7

Splitter : 5 and 3

[ScolaDynasty]

That's my boy right there! I told all you suckers! You shouldn't have traded him for our scrap. He'll be your downfall that's for sure.

[WalterBenitez]

21 pts 7 reb .... that's what makes me crazy about Luis being traded

[Spurs Brazil]

Argentina up 63-54

[objective]

Splitter right now is rocking a 1-8 shooting performance

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Well this blows.

[Spurs Brazil]

End of 3rd

Argentina up 65-56

[timvp]

Splitter choking in the big game?

Not exactly great to see.

[T Park]

Splitter choking in the big game?

Not exactly great to see.

suprised your not happy.

[Spurs Brazil]

Splitter choking in the big game?

Not exactly great to see.

He's not playing with the sama intensity

But don't worry, Brazil entire team choke

[objective]

Splitter choking in the big game?

Not exactly great to see.

and at least in the stats Scola is easily doubling up his rebounds

I thought Splitter was the much better rebounder?

lol

[whottt]

Go Brazil Go!

Win it for her!

http://sex.up.mu/img/brazilian-soccer-fan-large-breasts.jpg

[angel_luv]

Score please :)

[mardigan]

65-56 Tina
9 minutes left

[timvp]

Let me distract people from Scola owning my azzzz

[whottt]

65-57

[whottt]

Scola > Spurs


So how bout that Delfino?

[angel_luv]

65-56 Tina
9 minutes left


Wohoo! Go Argentina! :)

thanks for the score update.

[kolko]

25 pts for Scola, 69-59 ARG leads

[T Park]

I've never seen a guy get worshipped over more than him.

The guy who TIMVP said in the olympics two years ago would just be an "Ok" NBA player, is now all of a sudden the second coming of Hakeem.

[Spurs Brazil]

Scola with a great play

Leandro is a TO machine

Brazil announcers saying great things about Scola

Argentina up 11

[whottt]

I've never seen a guy get worshipped over more than him.

The guy who TIMVP said in the olympics two years ago would just be an "Ok" NBA player, is now all of a sudden the second coming of Hakeem.





You evidentally didn't see how Scola whupped up on Duncan in the Olympics.

The writing was on the wall then.

[mikejones99]

Wrong category fools. Bowen was on this team, then maybe. But Spurs concentrate on winning the real shit.

[kolko]

great pass by Tiago

[Kori Ellis]

I've never seen a guy get worshipped over more than him.

The guy who TIMVP said in the olympics two years ago would just be an "Ok" NBA player, is now all of a sudden the second coming of Hakeem.

I haven't seen anyone think that or even imply that. Most people just think he'll be a contributor in Houston and shouldn't have been given away for free.

[whottt]

I want a guy named Prigioni on the Spurs.

[WalterBenitez]

Go Brazil Go!

Win it for her!

http://sex.up.mu/img/brazilian-soccer-fan-large-breasts.jpg

Those Brazilians are really great :hungry:

[WalterBenitez]

I want a guy named Prigioni on the Spurs.

ooops I heard Rockets are behind him, just kidding :D

[kolko]

Scola has played the entire game so far, 5 minutes left

[WalterBenitez]

Tiago has a good future, his movements are great

[Spurs Brazil]

Valtinho 3

Argentina up 77-71 with 3:55 to go

[ChumpDumper]

I've never seen a guy get worshipped over more than him.

The guy who TIMVP said in the olympics two years ago would just be an "Ok" NBA player, is now all of a sudden the second coming of Hakeem.Yeah, he mocked me when I wanted to go ahead and sign him in 05 when we could have used another big man. Now, I'm mocked because I can see how the Spurs used him to dump salary without giving up future draft picks that could play on the other team they just bought.

[ChumpDumper]

Why is Splitter hitting his free throws all the sudden?

[timvp]

I've never seen a guy get worshipped over more than him.

The guy who TIMVP said in the olympics two years ago would just be an "Ok" NBA player, is now all of a sudden the second coming of Hakeem.Link to me either saying he'd be an "ok" NBA player or the second coming of Hakeem?

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago with a huge off reb and a dumb TO

[angel_luv]

Valtinho 3

Argentina up 77-71 with 3:55 to go


Too close for my comfort. Come on Argentina! :cheer

[Spurs Brazil]

Brazil up 79-74 with 2:00 to go

Alex is a warrior, he's the one trying to bring Brazil back

[whottt]

C'mon Brazillllllllllllll! Do it for Pele!!!!

Do it for that Brazil guy in the Street Fighter Game!!!!!


Go Go Go!!!!

[WalterBenitez]

BRA is coming

[angel_luv]

Brazil up 79-74 with 2:00 to go

Alex is a warrior, he's the one trying to bring Brazil back


Noooooooo! Manu is not happy right now. :(

[ALVAREZ6]

What's the score?

[whottt]

81-76

[objective]

Box shows Argentina up by 5

[xamila rey]

Arg 81 Bra 76

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago with a huge putback

Argentina up 81-78 with 1:14 to go

[kolko]

81-78
1:14 left

[WalterBenitez]

Holy shit ... I am nervous

[angel_luv]

Tiago with a huge putback

Argentina up 81-78 with 1:14 to go


Yes! Go team! :clap

[xamila rey]

81-78 anyone knows how much time left??

[ALVAREZ6]

Come on boys, hold on for this W.

[angel_luv]

I am nervous


I believe. :)

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago and Alex stepped up in the 4th

[angel_luv]

I wish I was able to watch this game!

[whottt]

81-78

Tiago with the 2.


Captain Early...I mean Scola nowhere to be seen.

[Spurs Brazil]

Argentina 3

Leandro chokes

Ball game

[xamila rey]

I wish I was able to watch this game!
me too, three, four.... :rolleyes

[angel_luv]

Final score?

[WalterBenitez]

Scola is lyon, no matter I'll shit on him with Rockets uniform

[whottt]

Can someone tell me why Alex Garcia isn't going to be in a Spurs jersey this season?

[ChumpDumper]

Scola is lyon, no matter I'll shit on him with Rockets uniformI have a new sig.

[timvp]

Yeah, he mocked me when I wanted to go ahead and sign him in 05 when we could have used another big man.Who are these he's and him's? You talking about timvp and Scola?

If so, I just skimmed over all your Scola posts from 2005 and didn't see anywhere I argued about Scola with you. I just see you saying how well he'd fit on the Spurs, which is the opposite of what you are saying now.

I'd appreciate a link in this matter.

Thanks.


Now, I'm mocked because I can see how the Spurs used him to dump salary without giving up future draft picks that could play on the other team they just bought.Using a piece with as much value as Scola has never been used to salary dump a player making less than half the MLE on a one-year deal.

Link to a trade that makes the above statement untrue?

[Spurs Brazil]

Final score?

Argentina up 10 with 44s to go

[ChumpDumper]

Here comes the meltdown.

[WalterBenitez]

I wish I was able to watch this game!

yeah, good game, even I am becoming closer to the bathroom :D

[timvp]

Can someone tell me why Alex Garcia isn't going to be in a Spurs jersey this season?How many point guards you going to cyber sign in one game blog?

[Spurs Brazil]

Here comes the meltdown.

Presented by Leandro Barbosa

[xamila rey]

Argentina up 10 with 44s to go
thanxs

[ChumpDumper]

Who are these he's and him's? You talking about timvp and Scola?

If so, I just skimmed over all your Scola posts from 2005 and didn't see anywhere I argued about Scola with you. I just see you saying how well he'd fit on the Spurs, which is the opposite of what you are saying now.

I'd appreciate a link in this matter.

Thanks.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=174202&postcount=34


Using a piece with as much value as Scola has never been used to salary dump a player making less than half the MLE on a one-year deal.

Link to a trade that makes the above statement untrue?What value?

Link showing he had any more value in an NBA trade than what the Spurs got.

[kolko]

Argentina in the Olympics!!!

[angel_luv]

Argentina up 10 with 44s to go

Thank you.

Someone please tell me when the buzzer sounds and Argentina has officially won. :)

[angel_luv]

Argentina in the Olympics!!!


Before I asked! :lol

Yea! Congrats Argentina!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[whottt]

TimVP is never going to forgive the Spurs for turning down that Kobe for Scola trade.


Better to let him walk, pay extra lux tax and lose him for nothing then to trade him to a team that is incapable of staying healthy.

[Spurs Brazil]

Congrats to Argentina. It's great to see Argentina play a beautiful team ball

Too bad we can't see Scola in Spurs uniform

[ChumpDumper]

And I freely admit to flip-flopping on Scola because I was never sure of his efficacy in the NBA. It was fine when we had open roster spots, now there's no room at the inn.

[Spurs Brazil]

Tiago finished with 15pts 9rebs

[whottt]

Angel...how can you root for a team with no Spurs over one with a former and a future?

[xamila rey]

omg i got ckicken skin..tengo piel de gallina, i cant believe it!!!
we are there baby...wowowowoow

[WalterBenitez]

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[kolko]

FINAL SCORE

Argentina 91
Brazil 80

Scola 27 pts 9 rbds
Splitter 15 pts 9 rbds

[ArgSpursFan]

See Ya In The Olympics!!!!!!!



.............................but with the A Arg.team......................... :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit

[spurschick]

Argentina in the Olympics!!!

As it should be... they now have the chance to defend their Olympic title.

[Spurs Brazil]

Scola hugs Tiago

[WalterBenitez]

Scola 27 pts this guy is a monster in ARG's uniform

[timvp]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=174202&postcount=34:lmao

Did you read the whole thread? You never advocated signing him. I never advocated not signing him. That caption of the Scola picture was joke.

That's what you consider being "mocked" for wanting to "sign Scola"?


What value?

Link showing he had any more value in an NBA trade than what the Spurs got.What would you rather have -- a second round pick or Scola?

Question.

[angel_luv]

Angel...how can you root for a team with no Spurs over one with a former and a future?


Because I love Manu and thus his team.

Now to get my Slovenia to the Olympics. :)

[urunobili]

Scola trade jersey's with Leandro Barbosa

[whottt]

What would you rather have -- a second round pick or Scola?

Question.


I'd rather Cleveland not have a scoring PF.

[timvp]

And I freely admit to flip-flopping on Scola because I was never sure of his efficacy in the NBA. It was fine when we had open roster spots, now there's no room at the inn.I could see flip flopping due to roster space. But you are flip flopping in terms of how he'll fit on the team.

I've always said he'd be a decent Antoine Carr-esque player for the Spurs. He wasn't worth mortgaging the future for ... but he was worth more than giving him away for nothing in a trade that didn't have to be done that way.

[objective]

Spurs STILL have a roster spot and the full MLE . . .

They could have had Scola.

Easy.

They blew it.

Some people just can't admit it.

[timvp]

The Spurs should sign Kammerichs!

[ChumpDumper]

Did you read the whole thread? You never advocated signing him. I never advocated not signing him. That caption of the Scola picture was joke.

That's what you consider being "mocked" for wanting to "sign Scola"?Obviously the advocating was in another thread. Why else would you go out of your way to make such a post? You just thought it might be entertaining with no context or meaning whatsoever?
What would you rather have -- a second round pick or Scola?Would you rather have a second round pick, rid yourself of a useless player and sign another Bruce Bowen or have nothing?

Question.

As much as everyone would like to pretend this happened in a vacuum, it didn't.

And I'm still waiting for the consensus trade value of Scola's rights link.

[kolko]

Splitter: 5-14 FG, 5-6 FT

Scola: 10-14 FG, 7-12 FT

Scola played the entire game while Splitter rested only one minute

[Cherry]

Argentina (Team B) :clap

Kammerichs is great!
and Scola!

:elephant :elephant :elephant See Ya In The Olympics! :elephant :elephant :elephant

[timvp]

As far as this game goes, I'm glad Argentina won. That just means less games for Manu to play next summer and more games for Splitter to play.

Sounds good to me.

[ChumpDumper]

As far as this game goes, I'm glad Argentina won. That just means less games for Manu to play next summer and more games for Splitter to play.

Sounds good to me.
Amen to that.

[angel_luv]

As far as this game goes, I'm glad Argentina won. That just means less games for Manu to play next summer and more games for Splitter to play.

Sounds good to me.


:tu

Next year I will root for Splitter, Whottt. :)

[dbestpro]

I still am not sold on Scola. He can score in this type of game but I just don't think his game is going to translate to the NBA. Unathletic big men whose game is scoring just don't do well in the NBA. If he was a shooter and could hit the three then maybe he would have a chance. A lot of what happens in the NBA changes on just a fraction of an inch for scorers. Slow release, an extra dribble, too many fakes and your toast.

Also, I think his first year he will be shocked (just like Oberto) on how many fouls he will receive. The box outs are better in the NBA. Nice international player. That's about it.

[picnroll]

Spurs STILL have a roster spot and the full MLE . . .

They could have had Scola.

Easy.

They blew it.

Some people just can't admit it.
Anybody who thinks the Spurs were going to use MLE is in fantasy land.

If Spurs made a mistake it was signing Butler's lazy ass that ultimately Scola was the price to get rid of.

Many of us were high on getting Butler at the time. Some even still have Butler fantasies. Stand up and be counted.

[angel_luv]

Some even still have Butler fantasies. Stand up and be counted.


I always liked Niles, the butler from the nanny. But I don't get enough visitors to need him. :lol

[timvp]

Obviously the advocating was in another thread. Why else would you go out of your way to make such a post? You just thought it might be entertaining with no context or meaning whatsoever?Alright then let's see this supposed other thread.

Easy solution.


Would you rather have a second round pick, rid yourself of a useless player and sign another Bruce Bowen or have nothing?

Question.How about trading away Beno and still getting the Bruce Bowen player?


As much as everyone would like to pretend this happened in a vacuum, it didn't.

And I'm still waiting for the consensus trade value of Scola's rights link.Why must the Spurs trade low? You act like the Spurs had to trade Scola.

[manubili]

Kammerich and Quinteros won their places in the Arg A team. And the NBA should take a closer look at them.
C-ya in the olimpics!!! :spin

[whottt]

Funny how two guys the Spurs have been interested in in the past and present...Splitter and Garcia, stepped up in the final mins...

While 2 guys they passed on, Scola and Barbosa...

Stepped down.


Spurs made the right call and it does my heart good to see they take choking into account when evaluating players...






I know I know...Spurs should have pulled the tigger on the Scola for Noccioni deal.

[T Park]

how about trade beno?

how about finding a team that WANTS Beno.

[objective]

Anybody who thinks the Spurs were going to use MLE is in fantasy land.

If Spurs made a mistake it was signing Butler's lazy ass that ultimately Scola was the price to get rid of.

Many of us were high on getting Butler at the time. Some even still have Butler fantasies. Stand up and be counted.

I don't care if it's fantasy land or not, it's a damn fact about their cap situation. Doesn't matter if the Spurs are refusing to use it while trying to bleed the county for another 100 million, on paper they still have both roster room and cap exception money.

Is that so hard to admit to?

Besides, I wasn't high on Butler either, though in his defense he was cheaper by most accounts than Scola's deal.

BUT

That does help illustrate some of myopic Scola-hate that's festered when you'd have the newspaper accounts that the Spurs doubted whether Scola the low post scorer could fit next to Duncan . . . so they signed Butler . . . a low post scorer.

And people still run with the 'couldn't fit next to Duncan routine' because they're so easily fooled.

[ChumpDumper]

Alright then let's see this supposed other thread.

Easy solution.I gotta run, I'll just accept your contention that you weren't mocking me and instead on some kind of non sequitur, absurdists kick back in the day and made it a point to make pointless posts with pictures and posters names.

[quorte]How about trading away Beno and still getting the Bruce Bowen player?[/quote]How about that? Who wants Beno? Where are these GMs knocking down our door for this fat, delusional underachiever?


Why must the Spurs trade low? You act like the Spurs had to trade Scola.If they wanted anything back, yes. He could easily have signed with a Euro team again for more than he is going to make in Houston. You can whine about the Spurs' blinking in a game of chicken, but you've made it known you'd rather have Butler and no Udoka. That's fine.

[timvp]

I will not mention how Scola single-handedly won the last game against Brazil ... including clutch shots and free throws in the fourth and overtime. I am a hater. Splitter starting 1-for-8 in the biggest game of his life is the sign of a clutch player.

[ChumpDumper]

hat does help illustrate some of myopic Scola-hate that's festered when you'd have the newspaper accounts that the Spurs doubted whether Scola the low post scorer could fit next to Duncan . . . so they signed Butler . . . a low post scorer.Who couldn't defend and rebounded less than his physicality suggested.

Sound familiar?

Looks like the Spurs have made their choice as to whom they think can best play alongside Duncan.

It's not Butler or guys who play like him. It's Bonner.

[timvp]

I gotta run:rolleyes

Pulling a whottt.


How about that? Who wants Beno? Where are these GMs knocking down our door for this fat, delusional underachiever?For the 50th time, Beno and a future first for nothing.


If they wanted anything back, yes. He could easily have signed with a Euro team again for more than he is going to make in Houston.That was the biggest bluff I've ever seen. Scola whined about playing in the NBA for years. I can't believe anyone actually thinks he would have signed long-term in Europe.


You can whine about the Spurs' blinking in a game of chicken, but you've made it known you'd rather have Butler and no Udoka. That's fine.Link?

I went on record as saying Udoka was the player I wanted when summer started. He was my top pick all along. And the Spurs could have cleared the space needed by trading away Beno instead of Butler.

[whottt]

I don't know what clutch is


Agreed...

To start with...it's not about how you start the game...KG.


To finish with...it's also not about winning non-must win games in the therefore non-clutch.



Splitter finished better....in the biggest game of his career.

[dbestpro]

Now for something that is really important. Girl's basketball.

[whottt]

:

What would you rather have -- a second round pick or Scola?

Question.



And BTW...yeah it's too bad we didn't get a second round pick for Scola...

[picnroll]

That was the biggest bluff I've ever seen. Scola whined about playing in the NBA for years. I can't believe anyone actually thinks he would have signed long-term in Europe.


Scola almost certainly wanted to go somewhere where he would gets LOTS of playing tie so he could parlay the two years into a long term MLE+ contract. That wasn't going to be on the Spurs, not next year with Horry and not likely the year after with a low post game next to Duncan and less than ideal defensive agility.

There were rumors that Scola had no interest in playing for the Spurs, even rumors he gave the Spurs a list of NBA teams he was willing to play for and, from a long term financial standpoint, that rumor makes all the sense in the world.

[objective]

Who couldn't defend and rebounded less than his physicality suggested.

Sound familiar?

Looks like the Spurs have made their choice as to whom they think can best play alongside Duncan.

It's not Butler or guys who play like him. It's Bonner.

Scola can't rebound? Too bad he rebounds just as well as the bigger taller Splitter.

And my point was to illustrate some of the anti-Scola foolishness. People are still posting fake crap like Scola demanding the MLE.

And re: Bonner . . . .

There was a thread this summer post Bonner pre Scola trade, long ass thread, where I made the point of if it came down to Bonner for 3/9 or Scola 3/9-10, Scola for me everytime. That thread also included Timvp refusing to believe that Scola could be had for that contract. I stand by my declaration of choice between the two.

[whottt]

Spurs didn't want a low post scoring bigman, that can only do that one thing.

They wanted a big guy that can rebound and defend...how hard is to figure out...


Butler had the potential to be much more than just a low post scorer...


The Spurs want a defensive oriented bigman who plays in the paint with toughness and desire.


I don't know why you would conclude they wanted anything else...

Watch some Spurs games sometime...




And Scola's NBA viability is still in question...as is his ability to play under pressure.

[whottt]

Spurs also didn't want to pay a guy 3 mil a year who was only going to get 5 minutes per game under Pop.


If he doesn't defend...Pop isn't going to play him. This even if he wasn't going to take a year to learn the NBA.

He wasn't going to play ahead of Oberto.
He wasn't going to play ahead of Bonner, because Bonner comes in to stretch the D.



Spurs drafted Scola for a reason...they also let him go for a reason. He's not a mystery to them, they watched him play for a long long time.

[incansables]

Watch some Spurs games sometime...




And Scola's NBA viability is still in question...as is his ability to play under pressure.
Please,


Watch this game tonight.........

[ArgSpursFan]

Scola can't rebound? Too bad he rebounds just as well as the bigger taller Splitter.

And my point was to illustrate some of the anti-Scola foolishness. People are still posting fake crap like Scola demanding the MLE.

And re: Bonner . . . .

There was a thread this summer post Bonner pre Scola trade, long ass thread, where I made the point of if it came down to Bonner for 3/9 or Scola 3/9-10, Scola for me everytime. That thread also included Timvp refusing to believe that Scola could be had for that contract. I stand by my declaration of choice between the two.

I remember that thread.
I think the same about having Bonner for the same money we could´ve have Scola.
now ,think this for a sec:what if timmy gets injured(hopefuly it wont happen),and have to rest for 20+games,and we need a PF who has a decent low post game and can score too??
would Bonner or Horry do that in the paint?

[objective]

If he doesn't defend...Pop isn't going to play him. This even if he wasn't going to take a year to learn the NBA

lol, who does Elson defend well?

Nick Van Exel sure dended well. Brent Barry after 2005 has been stellar at defense.

[leemajors]

I remember that thread.
I think the same about having Bonner for the same money we could´ve have Scola.
now ,think this for a sec:what if timmy gets injured(hopefuly it wont happen),and have to rest for 20+games,and we need a PF who has a decent low post game and can score too??
would Bonner or Horry do that in the paint?
if timmy goes down, the spurs do too. end of story.

[ArgSpursFan]

if timmy goes down, the spurs do too. end of story.
that´s the easy answer.
think harder.

[hendrix]

And Scola's NBA viability is still in question...as is his ability to play under pressure.

Whottt... really, I agree with you on most of what you posted, but you have no base on that.
If anything I remember Scola putting in both free throws in during the semifinals of the WC'06 against Spain. To tie the game. Then the major blunder of fouling Navarro (I think) that eventually lead to a missed 3-pointer from Nocioni. Anyways, Scola plays well under pressure as far as I remember.
And I'm certain I've watched more of Scola's games than you (naturally).
You can take my word, or not. That's fine.

I don't think Scola is going to be anything close to a star. Just a good, decent NBA player. I think most argentinians agree. Nothing to be mad at.

I know that most of you are pissed with Scola and also wishing he does bad in the NBA so you don't resent later. But that's unfair.
I accept he's not great. I accept the Spurs FO did an almost humanitarian move. I'm glad they did.

[hendrix]

Spurs drafted Scola for a reason...they also let him go for a reason. He's not a mystery to them, they watched him play for a long long time.

OK, maybe that too. Whatever. Thanks Spurs FO for letting Scola in the NBA.

[ArgSpursFan]

Whottt... really, I agree with you on most of what you posted, but you have no base on that.
If anything I remember Scola putting in both free throws in during the semifinals of the WC'06 against Spain. To tie the game. Then the major blunder of fouling Navarro (I think) that eventually lead to a missed 3-pointer from Nocioni. Anyways, Scola plays well under pressure as far as I remember.
And I'm certain I've watched more of Scola's games than you (naturally).
You can take my word, or not. That's fine.

I don't think Scola is going to be anything close to a star. Just a good, decent NBA player. I think most argentinians agree. Nothing to be mad at.

I know that most of you are pissed with Scola and also wishing he does bad in the NBA so you don't resent later. But that's unfair.
I accept he's not great. I accept the Spurs FO did an almost humanitarian move. I'm glad they did.
another close game was the 1st game vs Brazil when we were down by 14.
He made the FTs and key plays to win that game in the 4rd and OT.

[ArgSpursFan]

now ,think this for a sec:what if timmy gets injured(hopefuly it wont happen),and have to rest for 20+games,and we need a PF who has a decent low post game and can score too??
would Bonner or Horry do that in the paint?

answer it wottt,chump,tpark ect...

[leemajors]

that´s the easy answer.
think harder.
tim's irreplacable. think at all.

[ArgSpursFan]

tim's irreplacable. think at all.

ok,we´ll play with 4 guys them.

[objective]

And with the Spurs 'knowing' Scola and his game . . .

LOL. Nobody's perfect. Spurs make mistakes just like anyone else. Giving him away for one year of marginal cap relief to a playoff team WAS a mistake considering his modest salary demands.

So bring on the fake arguements that always come up. Such as : "Scola wants the MLE", "Scola demands to start", "Scola can't rebound", "Scola is a terrible defender", "Scola won't sign for 3/9 you must be crazy to think that stuff", "You don't think Scola sucks that must mean you think he's Wilt Chamberscola or Hakeem Scolajuwon or Michael Scordon", "They've won 4 titles, they are perfect!" blah blah blah

[picnroll]

Duncan goes down for 20 and comes in healthy for the plyoffs Spurs have a slightly lower seed and slightly higher draft pick. Duncan goes down going into the playoffs and Spurs are fucked, with or without Scola.

[objective]

considering the way Scola has been knocking down midrange jumpers including the final minute of a recent game . . .

He's not just a low-post scorer.

[picnroll]

Sounds like objective is already given up on the season and Spurs have no hope since they didn't sign Scola.

[timvp]

And BTW...yeah it's too bad we didn't get a second round pick for Scola...That question went over your head.

The question concerning the fact that other teams who have salary dumped players making less than half the MLE have given up second rounders to make it happen. Instead of giving up a second rounder, the Spurs gave up Scola.

So that's why I ask, would you rather have a second rounder or Scola.

[objective]

Sounds like objective is already given up on the season and Spurs have no hope since they didn't sign Scola.

sounds like picnroll has no factual arguements and has pulled the old "You are yelling 'Doomz!' and are declaring the sky is falling you chicken little!" card after I forgot to include it in my prior "ready made fake Scola bashing" arguement list.

Thanks for reminding me of it, I'll add that next time.

[picnroll]

Sounds like objective is only "objective" about his arguments.

[objective]

objective and factual, there are no other arguements worth making

And I have a new signature! My first one . . . eva.

[timvp]

Scola can't rebound? Too bad he rebounds just as well as the bigger taller Splitter.

And my point was to illustrate some of the anti-Scola foolishness. People are still posting fake crap like Scola demanding the MLE.

And re: Bonner . . . .

There was a thread this summer post Bonner pre Scola trade, long ass thread, where I made the point of if it came down to Bonner for 3/9 or Scola 3/9-10, Scola for me everytime. That thread also included Timvp refusing to believe that Scola could be had for that contract. I stand by my declaration of choice between the two.First of all, if you put a gun to my head, I'd take Bonner over Scola. Bonner is a better shooter and probably a better rebounder. Overall Scola is probably the better player but for the Spurs, Bonner fits more with what the Spurs do.

Scola I've always said will be Antoine Carr II. Good scorer from the post and a jumper out to about 15 feet. Can get his shot off quick. Plays with fire. However, won't be a great rebounder or defender and has the history of sulking if they think that they are being treated unfairly. They are almost exactly comparable.

How would Scola/Carr fit on the Spurs? Decent. Would he be a Pop favorite? No. Would he work well next to Duncan? Offensively he'd probably be fine. Defensively he wouldn't. If you bring in Scola, he'd be most useful when Duncan is out of the game. But come playoffs, Duncan is in the game more and more.

My contention with the Scola trade was never that Scola was some superstar who could come to the Spurs and become the Hispanic David Robinson. My contention with it is the Spurs got horrible value for their commodity. Scola in the right situation (like under Adelman) can be a productive NBA player. You don't give that away for nothing.

If Scola's value was so low, you call his bluff and wait until next year. Then when Horry and Elson leave, you replace them with Splitter and Scola. At that point, you can play Scola and trade him if he's not working out. A signed and sealed Scola has much more value than an unsigned, unseen Scola.

[objective]

First of all, if you put a gun to my head, I'd take Bonner over Scola. Bonner is a better shooter and probably a better rebounder. Overall Scola is probably the better player but for the Spurs, Bonner fits more with what the Spurs do.

Scola I've always said will be Antoine Carr II. Good scorer from the post and a jumper out to about 15 feet. Can get his shot off quick. Plays with fire. However, won't be a great rebounder or defender and has the history of sulking if they think that they are being treated unfairly. They are almost exactly comparable.

How would Scola/Carr fit on the Spurs? Decent. Would he be a Pop favorite? No. Would he work well next to Duncan? Offensively he'd probably be fine. Defensively he wouldn't. If you bring in Scola, he'd be most useful when Duncan is out of the game. But come playoffs, Duncan is in the game more and more.

You and I are in agreement as to why the trade was bad, though we'll never agree on Bonner.

I myself, contrary to absurdist posts, am not unhappy with the trade simply because the Spurs didn't sign Scola. I'd be okay if Scola was still rotting overseas, I don't care about him on a personal level and get no happiness that he gets to play/start in the NBA. But giving him away to a playoff team when he will sign a very modest contract IS something to get dissatisfied with. And his eventual salary was easily predicted, contrary to what was the conventional wisdom at the time.

But after watching Elson play this year I don't think Scola would have too hard a time playing that kind of defense or rebounding. While it cost Elson minutes as the playoffs wore on, eventually most of his minutes, I think that's good enough in the hypothetical, especially since Scola is a more 'heady' player than Elson.

[smeagol]

Another great game by Scola.

And whottt opining with the boxscore in his hand is hilarious.

[ArgSpursFan]

I don´t buy the¨Bonner stayed coze of his 3 pts range¨statement.
I don´t really see Bonner playing much in the playoffs or taking a 3 pointer in an important game for us.If that´s the case there´s Manu,Barry,Bowen and Horry to take care of that.
we need low post scorers,we can´t rely just on Duncan.The guy is not a computer,he is a Human being.
so,them again:tim goes down injured for like 20 games....
we play with 4 guys????c´mon

[leemajors]

I don´t buy the¨Bonner stayed coze of his 3 pts range¨statement.
I don´t really see Bonner much in the playoffs or taking a 3 pointer in an important game for us.If that´s the case there´s Manu,Barry,Bowen and Horry to take care of that.
we need low post scorers,we can´t rely just on Duncan.The guy is not a computer,he is a Human being.
so,them again:tim goes down injured for like 20 games....
we play with 4 guys????c´mon
bonner was out for a good time there right as he started to break into the rotation. he didn't come back in time to get back into it, and this was his first year here. he's not all world, but he's a good player to have when duncan's in =a shooting big. he's there this year to hold place for horry in the regular season, and pop will give him a few chances to hit big shots. horry isn't gonna play forever, and has admitted bonner is his replacement.

[urunobili]

Bonner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Scola

[Ariel]

Congrats to Argentina. It's great to see Argentina play a beautiful team ball

Too bad we can't see Scola in Spurs uniform
Did I mention Spurs Brazil is my favorite Brazilian EVER?

Alright, second to this girl... :drool: :wow :spless:

Win it for her!

http://sex.up.mu/img/brazilian-soccer-fan-large-breasts.jpg
:p:

[objective]

bonner was out for a good time there right as he started to break into the rotation. he didn't come back in time to get back into it, and this was his first year here. he's not all world, but he's a good player to have when duncan's in =a shooting big. he's there this year to hold place for horry in the regular season, and pop will give him a few chances to hit big shots. horry isn't gonna play forever, and has admitted bonner is his replacement.

the only reason he was 'starting to break the rotation' is because Elson was out with an injury.

If Elson hadn't gotten hurt Bonner wouldn't have played non-blowout garbage minutes at all last year.

[ChumpDumper]

:rolleyes

Pulling a whottt.Sorry I have a life offline, I'll try to be available for you 24/7.


For the 50th time, Beno and a future first for nothing.That's a worse trade.


That was the biggest bluff I've ever seen. Scola whined about playing in the NBA for years. I can't believe anyone actually thinks he would have signed long-term in Europe.Why not? More money, near-guaranteed success and sticking it to the team that wouldn't let you into the NBA. Win-win-win.[/quote]


I went on record as saying Udoka was the player I wanted when summer started. He was my top pick all along. And the Spurs could have cleared the space needed by trading away Beno instead of Butler.Why keep Butler? At Beno might actually play for the Spurs this season. Even Beno-level NBA PGs are nearly impossible to find these days.

[leemajors]

the only reason he was 'starting to break the rotation' is because Elson was out with an injury.

If Elson hadn't gotten hurt Bonner wouldn't have played non-blowout garbage minutes at all last year.
he was playing well enough to have kept his minutes if he hadn't got hurt.

[whottt]

Argies..and timvp......I am pretty openminded on most things, but not when it comes to who's the choker and who isn't...on this, subject I am unbeaten and I trust my own opinion over any other...

I am 100% Scola is a choker...more certain than I am about his NBA ability.

He might end up putting up some good numbers in Adelman's system...but he's definitely a choker IMO...he definitely comes up short when the time comes to be the man...outside of international play.

And I've followed his perfomances enough in Big Euro Games to feel qualified to draw this conclusion...and I am pretty sure that was part of what swung the Spurs decision to go with Splitter over him.

Performance in the clutch, in late game pressure situations is something the Spurs take into consideration...IMO, that was why they preferred Vassilis over him...who does step up his biggest in the biggest games.

At best Scola is non-clutch...

[Hoy]

Even Beno-level NBA PGs are nearly impossible to find these days.

whatthestinkyfart?

[E20]

Scola played pretty well. Couldn't see the game, but judging by the box score he played great.


Splitter played great as well. 15 pts and 9 rebounds. FT percent was up, but the FG was down. Can't complain though.


IMO, that was why they preferred Vassilis over him...who does step up his biggest in the biggest games.

But, then why did they proceed to let Spanny go for nothing? IMO it's pretty certain that Spurs FO couldn't have gotten Scola in the near future, so they decided to use him to dump a salary and free up cap space. Nothing more, nothing less.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Someone please confirm or deny - Scola was pissed at the Spurs for not bringing him over by now and (this year) stated that he wouldn't sign with us.

If that is true, discussions of the Scola trade are moot. If not, I think we made a mistake. C'est la vie. I still think we'll make the Finals again barring major injury.

[whottt]

Scola played pretty well. Couldn't see the game, but judging by the box score he played great.


Splitter played great as well. 15 pts and 9 rebounds. FT percent was up, but the FG was down. Can't complain though.


But, then why did they proceed to let Spanny go for nothing? IMO it's pretty certain that Spurs FO couldn't have gotten Scola in the near future, so they decided to use him to dump a salary and free up cap space. Nothing more, nothing less.


And I think they thought they could sign him...figured it either way it was the deal with the best upside and best downside.

He had connections with Lindsey...I think he just really didn't want to play in the states any more. Probably to a greater degree than they figured.

To me it's a no-brainer they want to dump Beno...and to me it's a no-brainer that kid has exactly the skill set they want from their PG. Like one article said...they basically considered him another Manu at one point.

If that kid had wanted to be here, he would have been here IMO.

[Cherry]

Someone please confirm or deny - Scola was pissed at the Spurs for not bringing him over by now and (this year) stated that he wouldn't sign with us.

If that is true, discussions of the Scola trade are moot. If not, I think we made a mistake. C'est la vie. I still think we'll make the Finals again barring major injury.

Scola is very happy and thankful with the Spurs organization because they bring him to the NBA in a good playoff Team.

[timvp]

Sorry I have a life offline, I'll try to be available for you 24/7.Did you ever find that thread?


That's a worse trade.Giving away a first round draft pick and dumping Beno is worse than giving away Scola?

Ok.


Why not? More money, near-guaranteed success and sticking it to the team that wouldn't let you into the NBA. Win-win-win.I need to play poker with you or whoever it was with the Spurs who couldn't call that Scola bluff.


Even Beno-level NBA PGs are nearly impossible to find these days.I saw about three point guards better than Beno in this game.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Someone please confirm or deny - Scola was pissed at the Spurs for not bringing him over by now and (this year) stated that he wouldn't sign with us.

If that is true, discussions of the Scola trade are moot. If not, I think we made a mistake. C'est la vie. I still think we'll make the Finals again barring major injury.

timvp, can you answer my question?

I'm sure i read here and elsewhere that Scola was pissed at the Spurs and said earlier this year that he wouldn't sign here. If that is true, he was never coming here, and that mitigates the disappointing trade somewhat, although he really should have been sent to a team in the East.

[timvp]

timvp, can you answer my question?

I'm sure i read here and elsewhere that Scola was pissed at the Spurs and said earlier this year that he wouldn't sign here. If that is true, he was never coming here, and that mitigates the disappointing trade somewhat, although he really should have been sent to a team in the East.That was never confirmed or denied one way or the other.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

That was never confirmed or denied one way or the other.

Okay, thanks.

Seems odd that he would rule out the Spurs.

The only thing that makes no sense, given that it was seemingly a pure salary dump, is that he was sent to the Rockets. That supports whottt's assertion that the Spurs thought they might be able to keep Vassili, although it also contradicts the salary dump hypothesis.

One day we will know WTF was going on with this trade, but that time is not now...

[da_suns_fan__]

LMAO @ Spurstalk.

9 pages about Argentina. 4 posts about USA.

Get over Scola ya douche-bags.

[Ariel]

That was never confirmed or denied one way or the other.
Actually he did talk about the subject, and this is what he had to say (http://www.7days.ae/showstory.php?id=55642):

“I would have loved to have played for the Spurs and to have been a part of all their championships and all their success all these years, but things didn’t work out and I’m here, now,” Scola said.
So I guess that settles it.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Actually he did talk about the subject, and this is what he had to say (http://www.7days.ae/showstory.php?id=55642):

“I would have loved to have played for the Spurs and to have been a part of all their championships and all their success all these years, but things didn’t work out and I’m here, now,” Scola said.
So I guess that settles it.

Well, what I was referring to were reports BEFORE the trade that Scola was so pissed at the Spurs that he would not sign here. What is more likely is that the Spurs tried to lowball him because of luxtax issues (maybe offered him 2yrs 4 mil or something), he said "get stuffed, I'm much better than that... like maybe 15mil/3yrs", so the FO decided to save some cash by trading him for capspace.

He can say anything he likes AFTER THE FACT, I'm interested in whether there were indications BEFORE THE FACT that he wouldn't come to the Spurs. That is the only reason I can understand for the trade.

So I don't think your quote settles anything, but thanks for the info. ;)

[Ariel]

Well, what I was referring to were reports BEFORE the trade that Scola was so pissed at the Spurs that he would not sign here. What is more likely is that the Spurs tried to lowball him because of luxtax issues (maybe offered him 2yrs 4 mil or something), he said "get stuffed, I'm much better than that... like maybe 15mil/3yrs", so the FO decided to save some cash by trading him for capspace.

He can say anything he likes AFTER THE FACT, I'm interested in whether there were indications BEFORE THE FACT that he wouldn't come to the Spurs. That is the only reason I can understand for the trade.

So I don't think your quote settles anything, but thanks for the info. ;)
Actually you may believe whatever you want to believe, but unless YOU can prove to ME that he EVER said ANYTHING to the contrary, I'll go ahead and assume Scola's words, plus those of RC Buford after the trade are an indication everything ended up nicely. But if you chose to disregard the facts and believe in whatever theory makes it easier for you to swallow reality, be my guest. It wouldn't be the first time facts fall on deaf ears.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Actually you may believe whatever you want to believe, but unless YOU can prove to ME that he EVER said ANYTHING to the contrary, I'll go ahead and assume Scola's words, plus those of RC Buford after the trade are an indication everything ended up nicely. But if you chose to disregard the facts and believe in whatever theory makes it easier for you to swallow reality, be my guest. It wouldn't be the first time facts fall on deaf ears.

I'm not disregarding anything, and my ears certainly aren't deaf. No need to be an arsehole. I know what I read about three months ago, and that was rumours that Scola was pissed at the Spurs. They have never been substantiated, thus my question here.

My point to you was that your quote comes AFTER he got what he wanted (ie. being signed by an NBA team), so why would he show sour grapes? He wouldn't, so the quote means very little. No way he lands in a great situation in Houston then riles up the opposition like that. He's media-trained, and probably a decent human being, so he knows what NOT to say.

As for everything ending up nicely - no it didn't! We gave away a potentially very solid NBA player, whom we've been talking about and looking forward to signing for years, for NOTHING. That looks like we shot ourselves in the foot to me, but our FO is so good that that makes no sense - I'm trying to work out what the fuck is going on.

Your "fact", a quote AFTER THE ISSUE WAS ALREADY SETTLED, doesn't add anything to what we know of the situation.

And next time you ought to re-consider taking a haughty tone with someone who hasn't said anything nasty to you.

[Dex]

I think we need to start some sort of Speculation League for the offseasons.

[objective]

I'm not disregarding anything, and my ears certainly aren't deaf. No need to be an arsehole. I know what I read about three months ago, and that was rumours that Scola was pissed at the Spurs. They have never been substantiated, thus my question here.

My point to you was that your quote comes AFTER he got what he wanted (ie. being signed by an NBA team), so why would he show sour grapes? He wouldn't, so the quote means very little. No way he lands in a great situation in Houston then riles up the opposition like that. He's media-trained, and probably a decent human being, so he knows what NOT to say.

As for everything ending up nicely - no it didn't! We gave away a potentially very solid NBA player, whom we've been talking about and looking forward to signing for years, for NOTHING. That looks like we shot ourselves in the foot to me, but our FO is so good that that makes no sense - I'm trying to work out what the fuck is going on.

Your "fact", a quote AFTER THE ISSUE WAS ALREADY SETTLED, doesn't add anything to what we know of the situation.

And next time you ought to re-consider taking a haughty tone with someone who hasn't said anything nasty to you.

Most of the rumors were proven to be bullshit one way or another.

The only thing that proved true and was there to see for astute observers to see was an article in last summer's express news that explicitly stated the kind of contract Scola's agent said he would sign: 3 years 9/10 million.

People around here and elsewhere refused to believe it, and believed the rumors of him either demanding the MLE, or having a buyout bigger than 10 million, etc etc. They just couldn't accept the facts on the ground.

It was a fact that that was the contract Scola wanted/needed, and that includes from the Spurs.

That same contract what he eventually signed with the Rockets, as most reports seem now to have him at 3/9, though draftexpress among one or two others has him at 3/7.5 I believe.

[timvp]

Most of the rumors were proven to be bullshit one way or another.

The only thing that proved true and was there to see for astute observers to see was an article in last summer's express news that explicitly stated the kind of contract Scola's agent said he would sign: 3 years 9/10 million.

People around here and elsewhere refused to believe it, and believed the rumors of him either demanding the MLE, or having a buyout bigger than 10 million, etc etc. They just couldn't accept the facts on the ground.

It was a fact that that was the contract Scola wanted/needed, and that includes from the Spurs.

That same contract what he eventually signed with the Rockets, as most reports seem now to have him at 3/9, though draftexpress among one or two others has him at 3/7.5 I believe.I don't know why you continue to condemn people who didn't want to fully believe Scola's agent. Do you not remember his agent saying the same thing before it was found out that Scola really had a $10M+ buyout a couple years earlier?

What made you think all of a sudden Scola's handlers were telling the truth? You didn't have a revolutionary take. You just believed what was been placed out there by Scola's handlers ... which actually appears to have been the truth for once.

[picnroll]

Most of the rumors were proven to be bullshit one way or another.

That he may not have been willing to sign for the Spurs has never been proven and never will.

That Splitter may have been drafted by the Rockets had some agreement egarding Scola not been reached will not be known. Certainly Lindsay was aware of the Rocktes draft board.

That Beno could have been traded allowing Udoka to be signed is an unknown.

The fact you wanted Scola doesn't make waht you wish to believe be necessarily the facts. Unless of course you are working in the Spurs' front office. Maybe that's how you know all these things for certain.

[objective]

I don't know why you continue to condemn people who didn't want to fully believe Scola's agent. Do you not remember his agent saying the same thing before it was found out that Scola really had a $10M+ buyout a couple years earlier?

What made you think all of a sudden Scola's handlers were telling the truth? You didn't have a revolutionary take. You just believed what was been placed out there by Scola's handlers ... which actually appears to have been the truth for once.

it wasn't just a simple matter of believing anything anyone from one camp or another said, it was about seeing the whole picture in context and coming to a logical conclusion. It was all laid out in that thread and it wasn't an accident or coincidence or luck that it turned out correct.

And 'condemn people'? The people in question was almost everyone. That is not a way of me jumping up and down celebrating correctness, i am not condemning, but pointing out that even some of the smartest, most well informed Spurs fans can be wrong. Especially when it comes to rumors, which is what I was addressing.

[objective]

That he may not have been willing to sign for the Spurs has never been proven and never will.

That Splitter may have been drafted by the Rockets had some agreement egarding Scola not been reached will not be known. Certainly Lindsay was aware of the Rocktes draft board.

That Beno could have been traded allowing Udoka to be signed is an unknown.

The fact you wanted Scola doesn't make waht you wish to believe be necessarily the facts. Unless of course you are working in the Spurs' front office. Maybe that's how you know all these things for certain.

If there was a rumor of Scola being a space alien, it couldn't be proven or disproven fully without an autopsy.

Like any rumor it depends on the context of where it originates from and the dependability of the sources, liklihoods of scenarios, etc.

The fact that Scola was traded doesn't in any way validate various rumors old or brand new that will in any way justify trading his rights for next to nothing to a playoff team.

[timvp]

it wasn't just a simple matter of believing anything anyone from one camp or another saidThere was only one camp. Scola's camp was saying he could be had for a $3M/year contract. There was no other camp saying anything. Congrats on believing it but I'm sure you were probably also believing that too when it turned out the buyout was ridiculous. And you probably also believed Scola's camp when he was telling teams he was safe to draft in the first round because his contract wasn't that bad.


, it was about seeing the whole picture in context and coming to a logical conclusion. It was all laid out in that thread and it wasn't an accident or coincidence or luck that it turned out correct. It was more like believing the only take out there by anyone close to the situation. I've seen Scola's camp lie through their teeth countless times through the years. I apologize for not blindly believing what they were saying without thinking of other likely scenarios.


And 'condemn people'? The people in question was almost everyone. That is not a way of me jumping up and down celebrating correctness, i am not condemning, but pointing out that even some of the smartest, most well informed Spurs fans can be wrong. Especially when it comes to rumors, which is what I was addressing.I don't remember a rumor. I remember Scola's camp blabbering like it did for the last six years and some people eating it up and some people realizing that the word's coming out of their mouth weren't gospel. If you believed it and it came out to be true, congrats. Nicely done. I guess eventually the Scola camp had to tell the truth.

I still don't think it was as cut and dry as it seems after the fact. There's more to the story that we may never fully hear. There was at least bad blood between the two sides including Scola and his handlers getting mad at RC for emailing Scola to tell him to rebound more ... and also the other way when Scola's handlers said the Spurs were treating him like a slave.

[Ariel]

I know what I read about three months ago, and that was rumours that Scola was pissed at the Spurs.
I'd like to know what reports you're referring to about Scola refusing to sign for the Spurs on a concrete offer because of a grudge. Until then, I can't even take their existence for granted.


As for everything ending up nicely - no it didn't! We gave away a potentially very solid NBA player, whom we've been talking about and looking forward to signing for years, for NOTHING. That looks like we shot ourselves in the foot to me, but our FO is so good that that makes no sense - I'm trying to work out what the fuck is going on.

I don't think it was very difficult to figure out I was referring to the fact that the relationship ended up in good terms, regardless of what you make of the trade. Let me assure you, I'm quite familiar with Scola's game, so it's unnecessary for you to remind me how good of a player he is. But whether we agree or not, evidence shows it was the Spurs decision not to sign him. For better or worse.


My point to you was that your quote comes AFTER he got what he wanted (ie. being signed by an NBA team), so why would he show sour grapes? He wouldn't, so the quote means very little. No way he lands in a great situation in Houston then riles up the opposition like that. He's media-trained, and probably a decent human being, so he knows what NOT to say.

Your "fact", a quote AFTER THE ISSUE WAS ALREADY SETTLED, doesn't add anything to what we know of the situation.

If he indeed had a concrete Spurs offer which he turned down on his own because of bad blood from past situations, that would have endangered the chances of him coming to the NBA altogether, for had the Spurs felt low-balled, they could have just as easily decided to let him rot away in Europe instead. And though there was a subsequent offer from Houston that the Spurs agreed to, that was AFTER the alledged situation and he had no way to anticipate the outcome.

So if he felt so negatively about the Spurs by refusing to sign with them when it could have cost him his NBA career, what would stop him now from talking now that he's out of their reach and they have no bearing on his future? I wouldn't expect someone with the kind of resentful attitude those alleged rumors of yours reek of, to all of a sudden let go of it and focusing on keeping a smart and decent discourse. Such a visceral reaction isn't likely to be forgotten overnight.

Now, here are the facts:


Luis has always maintained it's his dream to play in the NBA, and he's always spoken highly of the Spurs... even when he conceivably had reason not to. That is, before, during, and after the trade took place. He's said time and again that he hoped he'd sign for the Spurs, but he understood this was a business and that they had to look out for their own interest. Hell, he even expressed his appreciation for the Spurs after the press conference, and I don't remember the exact words but he even let the door open for a potential future with the Spurs after his contract is up. Those are FACTS, not rumors. And they're inconsistent with the kind of behavior the rumors whose existance you claim attribute to him.
Not only is that Luis discourse, but that's also consistent with Manu's own perception on Luis' feelings. In his own website, Manu himself said Luis had spoken with him, and that he didn't hold any grudges on the Spurs regarding his situation. That is the perception of someone with priviledge acess to him, whose credibility is beyond doubt.
Never did the Spurs themselves came out saying anything to the contrary. In fact, there were no reports prior to the trade, and Buford's statements after the trade are that you'd expect from a relationship that ended in good terms, stating that "as an organization, we felt responsible to allow Luis to pursue his dream of the NBA" and wishing him good luck. That is not what you'd expect to hear from someone who has gone against his own interests to sabotage an asset of theirs merely out of resentment. Hell, coming to think about it, it'd make perfect sense that they'd put the responsability of the situation not working out on Luis' shoulders, thus deflecting any potential future backslash onto Scola, preserving themselves. Yet they haven't done that.


So in summary, I'm pretty confident the whole depiction I just did for you far outweighs any rumors that may not exist, that may not come from a credible source, that may not have an interested invested in the situation. And considering the high standards you seem to set on credibility and the trouble I'm going through to make sure I'm as clear as possible, I'm sure you'll reciprocate and at the very least indulge me by posting a link to those rumors you claim exist so that verify their existence in the first place, and then judge from myself their credibility. You know, so that I don't go out thinking this was a complete waste of my time and that you haven't contributed absolutely anything to what I already knew.


I'm not disregarding anything, and my ears certainly aren't deaf. No need to be an arsehole.

And next time you ought to re-consider taking a haughty tone with someone who hasn't said anything nasty to you.

Actually it was you who set the tone of the conversation with your previous post. So take a good look in the mirror before pointing fingers.

[objective]

If you want to act like there wasn't anything to be seen or accurately predicted based on objectivity, that's cool. It was all there to see and the why, even moreso on the buyout issue with regards to who pays than the actual nba contract numbers, but if you can't/won't admit it that's okay.


I still don't think it was as cut and dry as it seems after the fact. There's more to the story that we may never fully hear. There was at least bad blood between the two sides including Scola and his handlers getting mad at RC for emailing Scola to tell him to rebound more ... and also the other way when Scola's handlers said the Spurs were treating him like a slave.

I know all about the public bad blood, that is why I believed (different than an objective analysis, but merely a belief) Scola would never be a Spur and could never be a Spur. While I still absolutely hoped the Spurs would sign him, after last summer I was certain they never would, regardless of money. Exactly because of the bad blood on both sides. The money issues and buyouts were just a convenient excuse.

[picnroll]

Okay "objective" show me one quote from Scola where he said this summer, pre-signing, that he would sign or wanted to sign with the Spurs.

[ArgSpursFan]

some BB journalists in TV here in Arg. have said that NBA scouters have had a good impression on Arg´s PG Pablo Prigioni,but they´re just speculations,nothing solid at all