Call for boycott of Dallas Mavs and everything Mavericks

[Man of Steel]

Political fallout from a film financed by Mark Cuban causing people to call for total Mav boycott:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/02/outrage_directo.html

[Findog]

what a dumb cunt, no matter your feelings on the Dallas Mavericks.

[BacktoBasics]

People are pissed that he's making a fact based movie about American soldiers raping an Iraq? Thats somehow anti-american? Soooo the rape isn't all that bad so long as its not an American thats raped. We live in a society of fucking dumbasses.

[monosylab1k]

So we'll be happy if he makes a movie where American soldiers lick lollipops and eat magical gumdrops in HappyLand until they're forced to fight the forces of Satan, otherwise known as non-Americans?

This is just stupid. It's a fucking movie people. If the film's subject matter isn't to your liking, then don't fucking watch it.

If you think Cuban needs to be boycotted for producing this film, then YOU YOURSELF hate America and it's First Amendment right. Maybe this movie is a stupid idea, but it's HIS RIGHT AS A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY to make it, and if you want to suggest otherwise then you might as well join Osama in cursing the United States, cuz you're nothing better.

[Ignignokt]

People are pissed that he's making a fact based movie about American soldiers raping an Iraq? Thats somehow anti-american? Soooo the rape isn't all that bad so long as its not an American thats raped. We live in a society of fucking dumbasses.


The same dipshits who get pissed over the "supposed'" taking away of rights by the patriot act, seem to be damn inconsistent when it comes to giving american soldiers the benefit of the doubt by believing "innocent till proven guilty".

[Trainwreck2100]

Soooo the rape isn't all that bad so long as its not an American thats raped.

I'll agree to that
:toast

[L.I.T]

So what? Maybe Mark Cuban has bad taste, maybe he doesn't; it isn't going to affect whether I watch a Mavs game or not.

Hell, the only reason I don't buy Mavs merchandise is...well...I'm a Spurs fan. Whatever the guy does as a movie producer isn't going to sway my opinion of the franchise one way or another.

Now, his record as a movie producer (and the directors latest filmography) is more likely to affect whether or not I see the film; not necessarily subject matter that may outrage certain elements of the US public.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

The same dipshits who get pissed over the "supposed'" taking away of rights by the patriot act, seem to be damn inconsistent when it comes to giving american soldiers the benefit of the doubt by believing "innocent till proven guilty".

The soldiers in the case this movie seems to be inspired by were convicted.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And if people feel they want to boycott Mark Cuban and the Mavericks because of this, it's their right and a viable way to protest.

I think it's fairly stupid to accuse Cuban of "taking First Amendment rights away" by filtering his blog (I hadn't realized he'd been elevated to government official) and then get upset when he exercises his rights by financing and distributing the movie.

It works both ways. Complain and boycott if you wish, but don't get upset when somebody does the same to you.

Plus, who else thinks this lady will say she is being silenced should Cuban decide he doesn't want to finance and distribute her movie?

[Switchman]

I quit watching them after the first round of last years playoffs.

[Ignignokt]

The soldiers in the case this movie seems to be inspired by were convicted.


allright, link?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

allright, link?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6384781.stm


US soldier admits murdering girl

A second US soldier's plea of guilty to the gang rape of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and the killing of her and her family has been accepted by a judge.

Sgt Paul Cortez admitted four murders, rape and conspiracy to rape. His plea means he will avoid the death penalty.

In November, Specialist James Barker, 24, admitted rape and murder over the killings and was jailed for 90 years.

Cortez broke down as he confessed to raping the girl as her parents and sister were shot dead in another room.

The case is one of several in which US troops are accused of killing Iraqis.

According to the plea agreement, Cortez admitted conspiring with three other soldiers, Private First Class Jesse Spielman, Specialist Barker and Steven Green, a now discharged soldier, to rape Abeer Qassim al-Janabi.

Card game

Pte Spielman and another man, Bryan Howard, are awaiting court martial on charges related to the attack.

Mr Green is being tried as a civilian because he was discharged from the army before his superiors knew of his suspected involvement. He denies the charges against him.

All five belonged to the 101st Airborne Division based at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, which is also where the hearing took place.

In court, Cortez admitted the plan was hatched as they played cards and that the girl had been targeted because there was only one male in her house, making it an easy target.

Family murdered

He said: "During the time me and Barker were raping Abeer, I heard five or six gunshots that came from the bedroom.

"After Barker was done, Green came out of the bedroom and said that he had killed them all, that all of them were dead."

Cortez added: "Green then placed himself between Abeer's legs to rape her. When Green was finished, he stood up and shot Abeer in the head two or three times."

The entire crime took about five minutes and the girl knew her parents and sister had been shot while she was being raped, the hearing heard.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/6384781.stm

[angel_luv]

Hard to boycott someone you have never supported in the first place.

As for the movie Cuban's involved with, at this point, I am not well enough informed about it to comment.

[T Park]

Good old Cuban has gone to the side of Cindy Sheehan I see.

The thousands of soldiers that died Iwo Jima, and such, have got to be disgusted.

You welcome Cubes.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Good old Cuban has gone to the side of Cindy Sheehan I see.

The thousands of soldiers that died Iwo Jima, and such, have got to be disgusted.

You welcome Cubes.

Did the crimes those soldiers admitted to and were convicted of not happen?

[Whisky Dog]

It's a movie. Get over it.

[King]

How is this different from making a movie about any of the other sick true things that have happened?

Or movies about rape?

It's a movie - and it did happen. I doubt the movie is going to be glorifying these soldiers.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Good old Cuban has gone to the side of Cindy Sheehan I see.

The thousands of soldiers that died Iwo Jima, and such, have got to be disgusted.

You welcome Cubes.

Yeah, I bet they're horribly disgusted and wouldn't spit on him if he were on fire.

http://www.fallenpatriotfund.org/4_16_03.html

DALLAS – The Mark Cuban Foundation has announced the formation of the Fallen Patriot Fund, established to help families of U.S. military personnel who were killed or seriously injured during Operation Iraqi Freedom. The Fallen Patriot Fund will be matched dollar for dollar from the general funds of the Mark Cuban Foundation, up to $1 million.

“Now is a good time to take steps to support our troops,” said Mark Cuban, President and Chairman, HDNet and Owner, Dallas Mavericks. “I am very excited to be working with Bank of America to accept donations to the Fallen Patriot Fund to provide support to the spouses and children of our service people who have sacrificed themselves in service of our country during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In support of the Fallen Patriot Fund, I will be matching up to $1 million in total contributions to the fund. I encourage everyone to support our fallen heroes and find their closest Bank of America banking center and truly show their support.”

Bank of America will accept donations for the Fallen Patriot Fund at all Bank of America banking centers, including nearly 160 in the D/FW area. In addition, The Bank of America Foundation also will match their associate’s donations dollar for dollar from gifts of $25 up to $5,000.

“This is a very difficult time for the families of all of our military,” said Doug Hutt, president, Bank of America Dallas. “Bank of America is proud to work with Mark Cuban on this initiative by being able to offer a convenient way for people to make donations that will so greatly help these families during their time of need.”

Financial resources are vital to enhancing the sustainability of the family unit who has suffered a loss because its loved one sacrificed him/herself for freedom. Within that group, grant recipients will be selected in accordance with criteria established by The Mark Cuban Foundation. All proceeds will be disbursed. Grant applications are available at www.fallenpatriotfund.org.

The Mark Cuban Foundation has an application pending with the IRS for recognition of its tax exemption as a charitable organization, contributions to which are tax deductible. The Foundation anticipates retroactive approval of its application. Please contact your tax advisor for further details on charitable contributions.

For information on the Fallen Patriot Fund, please visit www.fallenpatriotfund.org write Fallen Patriot Fund, c/o Bank of America Private Bank, TX1-492-19-09, P.O. Box 832409, Dallas, Texas, 75283-2409.

One of the world's leading financial services companies, Bank of America is committed to making banking work for customers and clients like it never has before. Through innovative technologies and the ingenuity of its people, Bank of America provides individuals, small businesses and commercial, corporate and institutional clients across the United States and around the world new and better ways to manage their financial lives. The company enables customers to do their banking and investing whenever, wherever and however they choose through the nation's largest financial services network, including approximately 4,200 domestic offices and 13,000 ATMs, as well as 30 international offices serving clients in more than 150 countries, and an Internet Web site that provides online banking access to 4 million active users, more than any other bank.

FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
Gillian Breidenbach (Bank of America) 214.209.3122
[email protected]

Dawn Holgate (Mark Cuban), 214.658.7170 (office)
214.878.2867 (mobile)
[email protected]

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What a fucking asshole that Mark Cuban is, that disgraceful American.

[Findog]

I don't get what the fuss is. There's no way to verify such things, but Cuban says he voted for Bush both times.

I remember our rep as the "antiwar" team thanks to Nash, Van Exel and Josh Howard. I think I'll wear my Mavs t-shirt tomorrow. Who knows, I might make an extra trip over to Victory Plaza to pick up some more Mavs gear.

[monosylab1k]

Good old Cuban has gone to the side of Cindy Sheehan I see.
Apparently the First Amendment isn't something you're fond of? How Anti-American of you...

[Mister Sinister]

Shouldn't this be in the political forum with all the other bullshit that proves cynics right?

[dg7md]

Cuban says he voted for Bush both times.


:vomit:

[Whisky Dog]

I don't get what the fuss is. There's no way to verify such things, but Cuban says he voted for Bush both times.


Of course he voted for Bush. He's wealthy. The wealthy always vote republican because they get the better tax breaks and more benefits. It's the poor or middle class people that vote republican that I'll never understand. Why vote for people that are going to screw you in favor of less taxation on the rich?

[Findog]

Of course he voted for Bush. He's wealthy. The wealthy always vote republican because they get the better tax breaks and more benefits. It's the poor or middle class people that vote republican that I'll never understand. Why vote for people that are going to screw you in favor of less taxation on the rich?

Wealthy people don't ALWAYS vote Republican. If the only thing they care about is saving what amounts to chewing gum money on taxes, then, yes, they vote GOP, but how do you explain 80% of Hollywood being reliably Democratic?

Blue-collar rednecks vote Republicans because of God, Guns and Gays.

[Whisky Dog]

Wealthy people don't ALWAYS vote Republican. If the only thing they care about is saving what amounts to chewing gum money on taxes, then, yes, they vote GOP, but how do you explain 80% of Hollywood being reliably Democratic?

Blue-collar rednecks vote Republicans because of God, Guns and Gays.

You're right, they don't always vote republican, but if they care about their taxes, kickbacks, and perks then they do. Hollywood actors as a whole are about as aloof as anybody around, so their behavior can't really be looked at as the norm.

[Extra Stout]

If you don't support the President's agenda on Iraq, or utter so much as one syllable against the actions of American troops, even if said actions are in fact contrary to the UCMJ, much less common human decency, obviously you are on the side of al-Qaeda. Plus, it's your duty to silence anyone who would offer up any criticism.

That's it, folks, in plain black and white. If you allow people to speak freely on political matters, you are an enemy of cherished freedoms like freedom of speech on political matters, for which our brave fighting men have died at Iwo Jima.

True Patriots know that George W. Bush is inspired by God to lead America, and that his policy choices should be considered second only to the Bible in inerrancy. If you don't support Bush, you are doomed to everlasting hellfire. If we hadn't gotten rid of prayer in schools, America would not be undermining our President by disagreeing with him and thereby encouraging the insurgents in Iraq, because everybody knows that the insurgents watch the polls in America before deciding whether to plant IED's, and that if American schoolchildren prayed in class, their parents would know President Bush is infallible and would give him high approval ratings, and also kids wouldn't have sex before marriage or look at porn on the internets.

So there. Mark Cuban is pro-al-Qaeda, anti-God, and corrupts children through porn. Not only should we boycott the Mavericks, I think we should have him burned as a witch.

[BacktoBasics]

Good old Cuban has gone to the side of Cindy Sheehan I see.

The thousands of soldiers that died Iwo Jima, and such, have got to be disgusted.

You welcome Cubes.Because you don't support American murderers and rapist you're obviously of the Cindy Sheehan camp.

[2centsworth]

If you don't support the President's agenda on Iraq, or utter so much as one syllable against the actions of American troops, even if said actions are in fact contrary to the UCMJ, much less common human decency, obviously you are on the side of al-Qaeda. Plus, it's your duty to silence anyone who would offer up any criticism.

That's it, folks, in plain black and white. If you allow people to speak freely on political matters, you are an enemy of cherished freedoms like freedom of speech on political matters, for which our brave fighting men have died at Iwo Jima.

True Patriots know that George W. Bush is inspired by God to lead America, and that his policy choices should be considered second only to the Bible in inerrancy. If you don't support Bush, you are doomed to everlasting hellfire. If we hadn't gotten rid of prayer in schools, America would not be undermining our President by disagreeing with him and thereby encouraging the insurgents in Iraq, because everybody knows that the insurgents watch the polls in America before deciding whether to plant IED's, and that if American schoolchildren prayed in class, their parents would know President Bush is infallible and would give him high approval ratings, and also kids wouldn't have sex before marriage or look at porn on the internets.

So there. Mark Cuban is pro-al-Qaeda, anti-God, and corrupts children through porn. Not only should we boycott the Mavericks, I think we should have him burned as a witch.

the point of the movie is to portray the american military as a bunch of murdering rapist. Why shouldn't people protest?

The difference between a republican and a liberal is that the republican will boycott and protest while the liberal will demand the government shut it down.

[2centsworth]

Because you don't support American murderers and rapist you're obviously of the Cindy Sheehan camp.
when you make blanket generalizations, yes.

[ChumpDumper]

the point of the movie is to portray the american military as a bunch of murdering rapist.The entire military? All of them?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

the point of the movie is to portray the american military as a bunch of murdering rapist. Why shouldn't people protest?

Since you've obviously seen the movie in its entirety enough to tell us that the entire U.S. military is portrayed as murderers and rapists rather than a fictional account of a select few soldiers based on true events, I was wondering if you could answer some of the questions I have about the movie.

How does the HD look?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

From people who've actually seen the movie:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/31/wvenice131.xml

Venice Film Festival: Brian de Palma's Redacted shocks Venice

By David Gritten, at the Venice Film Festival
Last Updated: 2:05am BST 04/09/2007

# Venice Film Festival 2007
# David Gritten's Venice Film Festival blog

A wave of new American films about the Iraq war are due to arrive in cinemas over the next few months. Yet it's safe to say few could be more shocking or harrowing than the low-budget Redacted by veteran director Brian de Palma (Scarface, The Untouchables), which had its world premiere at the Venice Film Festival yesterday.

Shot with a cast of unknown actors on high-definition video cameras, it is about a small group of bored, restless US soldiers stationed at a checkpoint in Samarra.

They are impatient with the war's progress, distrustful of all Iraqis (even the children) and eager to go home. Two of them concoct a plot for the group to revisit a household recently raided in a search for insurgents, and to rape the family's 15-year-old daughter. In a chilling finale they do the deed, but their mission also ends in multiple murder.

Intriguingly, one of the group (who harbours ambitions to go to film school) is compiling a video diary of life at the checkpoint. He takes his camera along on the raid and simply keeps shooting during the terrible events. Only later does he realize that this implicated him in the crimes.

To tell the story, de Palma boldly uses a variety of forms: blogs, YouTube posts, videologs on the internet and the video diary the soldier is shooting. There are several references to the shortcomings of the mainstream media in reporting the real horrors of the Iraq war; de Palma makes a telling point with these alternative narrative devices.

'Redacted' means 'edited' or 'blacked out,' and the film's first image is a written disclaimer on the screen, with more and more words gradually being deleted. The director calls the film 'a fictional story inspired by true events,' and insists everything depicted has really happened.

Whatever the truth of those claims, there's no doubt Redacted packs an extraordinary emotional punch. It ends with shocking still photos of Iraqis, dead, disfigured or in extreme distress because of the war. This montage left the audience at a Venice press screening stunned, silent and in a few cases tearful. The combination of De Palma's visceral style and the horrifying subject matter left me reeling.

Controversy will clearly rage around Redacted, especially when it opens in America. But for those who have seen it, the images of that awful appointment in Samarra will linger joltingly in the memory.

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And when did people lose the ability to judge things for themselves rather than jumping on partisan bandwagons?

[2centsworth]

Since you've obviously seen the movie in its entirety enough to tell us that the entire U.S. military is portrayed as murderers and rapists rather than a fictional account of a select few soldiers based on true events, I was wondering if you could answer some of the questions I have about the movie.

How does the HD look?

here's the point. The biggest political debate right now is to be for or against the war. This movie argues against the war because of murders and rapes as a consequence.


now use the analogy when integration was at the forefront of politics. Would using murders and rapes as a consequence of integration be acceptable?

I see it very much the same and thank goodness have the right to voice my disgust of Mark Cuban. Neverthless, I wouldn't try to get the movie banned as hate speech or anything.

[Findog]

here's the point. The biggest political debate right now is to be for or against the war. This movie is argues against the war because of murders and rapes as a consequence.


now use the analogy when integration was at the forefront of politics. Would using murders and rapes as a consequence of integration be acceptable?


I can't parse this at all.

[ChumpDumper]

here's the point. The biggest political debate right now is to be for or against the war. This movie argues against the war because of murders and rapes as a consequence.I have to ask why this wasn't your point in the first place?

[2centsworth]

I can't parse this at all.
I'm definitely not a writer, but here's another try.

Would you be upset if someone argued against the integration of blacks because blacks rape and murder?

I see arguing against war because of the few examples of rapes and murders as the very same thing.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

If you're allowing your thoughts on the war to be swayed by a fictional film, your thoughts weren't that solid to begin with.

[2centsworth]

If you're allowing your thoughts on the war to be swayed by a fictional film, your thoughts weren't that solid to begin with.
it's the influencing of the masses that I'm concerned with, but don't think this movie will make much of a dent. I'm just giving my 2cents.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

it's the influencing of the masses that I'm concerned with, but don't think this movie will make much of a dent. I'm just giving my 2cents.

I meant "you're" in the general sense. It's pretty obvious where you stand.

So let me ask you this. Which crimes by those individuals in the military can be portrayed in a fictional account and which cannot?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Can some of these crimes by individuals in the military be portrayed in a fictional account?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ACLU_LAWSUIT?SITE=TXSAE&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-09-04-06-49-27

[2centsworth]

I meant "you're" in the general sense. It's pretty obvious where you stand.

So let me ask you this. Which crimes by those individuals in the military can be portrayed in a fictional account and which cannot?Hollywood has the freedom to do whatever they want. To me it's a matter of bad timing. People are so riled up about the war and a movie like this seems like it just wants to throw more nonsensical crap into the fire. Rapes and Murders happen within any group or population. Pointing fingers at the military is ridiculous to me.

[ChumpDumper]

So when a movie shows people dying and things getting destroyed in a war, it's automatically an antiwar movie.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Hollywood has the freedom to do whatever they want. To me it's a matter of bad timing. People are so riled up about the war and a movie like this seems like it just wants to throw more nonsensical crap into the fire.

Except it isn't nonsense that some individuals pleaded guilty and some were convicted of those crimes being portrayed in a fictional film.

[2centsworth]

So when a movie shows people dying and things getting destroyed in a war, it's automatically an antiwar movie.
NOOOOO! Absolutely valid arguments against war.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

You still haven't answered my question.

Which crimes by individuals in the military can be portrayed in a fictional film and which cannot?

Speeding? Failure to make a correct turn? Assault? Murder?

[ChumpDumper]

NOOOOO! Absolutely valid arguments against war.Uh, I'm going to need a full sentence. I don't quite get your meaning.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And BTW, what about that whole Fallen Patriot Fund established by Cuban?

[2centsworth]

You still haven't answered my question.

Which crimes by individuals in the military can be portrayed in a fictional film and which cannot?

Speeding? Failure to make a correct turn? Assault? Murder?

any and at any time. I've gotta run, but I do want to pick this up with you later.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

any and at any time. I've gotta run, but I do want to pick this up with you later.

Will do.

[2centsworth]

Uh, I'm going to need a full sentence. I don't quite get your meaning.
more trolling I see. Find someone else.

[ChumpDumper]

more trolling I see. Find someone else.No really, I didn't quite understand what you meant in your answer. Were you being sarcastic or what?

[Spurminator]

I think people will interpret it how they want to interpret it. If people choose to take from this movie that all American soldiers are soulless child rapists, then that angers me, but it doesn't mean a film like this shouldn't be made.

I think it's good that we still hold ourselves to a high enough standard where even isolated incidents are greeted with disgust. We have to hold ourselves accountable for even the rarest acts of inhumanity if we ever want to eliminate them.

[Holt's Cat]

I can see the uproar to the extent that the subject of the film is portrayed and marketed as the norm for American troops' behavior in Iraq.

[Extra Stout]

the point of the movie is to portray the american military as a bunch of murdering rapist. Why shouldn't people protest?

The difference between a republican and a liberal is that the republican will boycott and protest while the liberal will demand the government shut it down.
This movie is essentially a reprisal of Casualties of War. Somehow, that movie failed to topple the Republic back in 1989. We won the Cold War anyway. In fact, we had the Gulf War shortly thereafter, and the population eagerly supported it.

The thing with Brian DePalma is that he has a hard time putting nuance or balance into films where he has a political motivation, so they come out as shallow and strident. This movie will have a strong impact on people who want to be strongly impacted, because they were already virulently anti-military to begin with. Ordinary Americans don't go see art films. Were it not for the protests, this film would have essentially zero profile.

There are something like half a dozen Iraq films coming out in the near future. Let's see how the portrayal of the American military is as a whole.

As an aside, I have no problem with, and actually encourage, depictions of the underbelly of war, since Americans have a default tendency to support wars no matter their justification, pretending that all the nasty stuff that goes along with war isn't going to happen this time around, on account of all our nifty new technology. The exception to this rule comes in the immediate aftermath of (or during) wars that drag on a long time but don't accomplish anything (see Korea, Vietnam, Iraq), during which time we are somewhat chastened.

Nevertheless, in thirty years when President Geollary J.W. Clintbush wants to go to war against Outer Nyboobia for whatever reason, the American people will cheer and wave flags once again. We always do.

[ChumpDumper]

I can see the uproar to the extent that the subject of the film is portrayed and marketed as the norm for American troops' behavior in Iraq.Is it? I haven't read too much from people who have actually seen it, but I haven't gotten that impression.

[ChumpDumper]

There are something like half a dozen Iraq films coming out in the near future. Let's see how the portrayal of the American military is as a whole.Thanks for reminding me. No End in Sight is playing down the street.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

DePalma's come right out and said he hopes this movie influences people to ask for the war to end, but A) how many people are really going to allow themselves to be influenced by cinema and B) how does financing a fictional portrayal of heinous acts by a select few make Mark Cuban less of an American?

[Findog]

I'm definitely not a writer, but here's another try.

Would you be upset if someone argued against the integration of blacks because blacks rape and murder?

I see arguing against war because of the few examples of rapes and murders as the very same thing.

In my opinion, I would argue against the war based on the fact that Iraq did not attack us and did not want war with us. Saddam Hussein being a vicious dictator isn't reason enough to go to war, especially considering we made things worse.

[Holt's Cat]

"The movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people," De Palma said after last week's screening at the Venice Film Festival, according to Reuters.

link (http://www.tvpredictions.com/redacted090307.htm)

[DarkReign]

In my opinion, I would argue against the war based on the fact that Iraq did not attack us and did not want war with us. Saddam Hussein being a vicious dictator isn't reason enough to go to war, especially considering we made things worse.

To the political forum with you!

Seriously, if anyone in the NBA section even had the slightest inclination to voice their political opinions, they would have done so already.

Dont use this thread to puss out on your opinion full-well knowing you'll get no dissenting opinion of any substance.

[ChumpDumper]

link (http://www.tvpredictions.com/redacted090307.htm)Considering all the documentary footage included in the feature, your quote could be interpreted quite differently.
To tell the story, de Palma boldly uses a variety of forms: blogs, YouTube posts, videologs on the internet and the video diary the soldier is shooting. There are several references to the shortcomings of the mainstream media in reporting the real horrors of the Iraq war; de Palma makes a telling point with these alternative narrative devices.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/31/wvenice131.xml

[Holt's Cat]

So American troops are raping and pillaging Iraq?

[monosylab1k]

So American troops are raping and pillaging Iraq?
Yes, and boycotting the Mavericks will stop it.

[ChumpDumper]

So American troops are raping and pillaging Iraq?So this event didn't happen?

[Holt's Cat]

So this event didn't happen?

So that event is proof of wholesale atrocities committed by American troops?

[Extra Stout]

So that event is proof of wholesale atrocities committed by American troops?
Is DePalma claiming that Americans are going around raping Iraqis everyday, or he is claiming that war is dehumanizing?

For those who demand equal time in the depiction of violence, the movie does depict an American soldier being gruesomely beheaded by a swarthy insurgent group.

[ChumpDumper]

So that event is proof of wholesale atrocities committed by American troops?So de Palma says all American troops are guilty of wholesale atrocities because of the true story of a few soldiers who actually committed atrocities?

[Holt's Cat]

Is DePalma claiming that Americans are going around raping Iraqis everyday, or he is claiming that war is dehumanizing?

For those who demand equal time in the depiction of violence, the movie does depict an American soldier being gruesomely beheaded by a swarthy insurgent group.

Sure, war is hell. But is the "reality" of this war really represented by this one incident?

[monosylab1k]

Sure, war is hell. But is the "reality" of this war really represented by this one incident?
did it "really" happen or not?

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, war is hell. But is the "reality" of this war really represented by this one incident?One reality of it certainly is.

[Holt's Cat]

So de Palma says all American troops are guilty of wholesale atrocities because of the true story of a few soldiers who actually committed atrocities?

So it's not the whole but it should be regarded as the "reality"?

[Findog]

To the political forum with you!

Seriously, if anyone in the NBA section even had the slightest inclination to voice their political opinions, they would have done so already.

Dont use this thread to puss out on your opinion full-well knowing you'll get no dissenting opinion of any substance.

I was replying to a question asked of me. If the mods want to move this to the political forum, they will do so. My post is entirely appropriate given the subject matter, and several other posters have weighed in with political opinions of their own. Stop being a forum nanny.

[ChumpDumper]

So it's not the whole but it should be regarded as the "reality"?Did it happen?

[Holt's Cat]

One reality of it certainly is.

Sure, it's one part. Is that really representative of the whole?

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, it's one part. Is that really representative of the whole?Inasmuch as de Palma uses this one story to illustrate how information about the war is filtered before it reaches us through the media, sure. That's his point, not that every soldier in Iraq is a rapist.

[Holt's Cat]

So that event was not reported widely in the US and the soldiers involved were not subject to prosecution?

[ChumpDumper]

So that event was not reported widely in the US and the soldiers involved were not subject to prosecution?So information from the war zone is always complete and unfiltered?

[ChumpDumper]

If you can find a de Palma quote where he says all US soldiers are rapists and murderers and that's the norm and that's what this movie is about, I'll be convinced.

[Holt's Cat]

No, but that event would be the wrong one to use as an example. It would be the right one to use if you wanted to make a sensationalistic low budget anti-war film.

[ChumpDumper]

No, but that event would be the wrong one to use as an example.Why? It's a story that happened during the war that was reported.

[ChumpDumper]

And really, the fact that this story eerily parallels that of Casualties of War had to make it an irresistible choice for this particular filmmaker.

That said, I think de Palma is mostly a hack and I'm not a big fan of this kind of mixing of fact and fiction..

[Spurminator]

For a film about the Mainstream US Media filtering damaging news out of Iraq to have any impact whatsoever, the subject has to be extreme.

And from the sounds of it, de Palma is using primary footage... which would be a lot better than simply recreating/dramatizing the events. But I'd have to see it first.

[Holt's Cat]

If you can find a de Palma quote where he says all US soldiers are rapists and murderers and that's the norm and that's what this movie is about, I'll be convinced.

So the incident is not representative yet it is supposed to represent the reality of the war? Anyways, such a direct quote is not likely to be found. Must it?


Probed about the film's stance, and addressing the issue of whether the film demonizes U.S. soldiers, DePalma countered emphatically, "Hey, it's a big bad war out there and we need all the help we can get. If I can make a fiction film that will help, more power to me." Concluding the thought, he added, "We are all on the same team, we hate this war and want it to end."


http://www.indiewire.com/ots/2007/09/telluride_07_de.html

[ChumpDumper]

So the incident is not representative yet it is supposed to represent the reality of the war?It's a story that happened during the war that was reported.
Anyways, such a direct quote is not likely to be found. Must it?Yes.

[BacktoBasics]

How fucking Un-American he is to document these crimes.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Ahem.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=77161