More from those "tolerant" Muslims

[smackdaddy11]

Manny,

I don't need a mosque. I don't need an Imam. I need the blind to see.

http://www.momin.org/Imam_Seminar.htm

Better view quick. It will be removed from the web.

[smeagol]

At it again, smackdaddy.

The same can be said about extreme Christians, extreme jews, etc, etc, etc . . .

You cannot bash an entire Religion because of some extreme factions in it.

[dcole50]

exactly. these people are not representative of all muslims -- in the same way the christians who bomb abortion clinics are not representative of all christians.

[smackdaddy11]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=592910

Mentally-ill girl who was sold for sex faces death penalty in Iran
By Angus McDowall in Tehran
14 December 2004


A teenage girl with a mental age of eight is facing the death penalty for prostitution in Iran. The trial comes only four months after the hanging of another mentally ill girl for sex before marriage in a case that has prompted a human rights lawyer to prepare a charge of wrongful execution against the presiding judge.

The girl, known as Leyla M, is in prison while the Supreme Court decides on her "acts contrary to chastity", among the most serious charges under Iranian law. Under the penal code, girls as young as nine and boys as young as 15 can be executed.

In an interview on a Persian-language website, the 19-year-old says she was forced into prostitution by her mother at the age of eight. Amnesty International refers to reports that say she was repeatedly raped, bore her first child aged nine and was passed from pimp to pimp before having another three children.

She told the website: "The first time I was taken to a man's house by my mum I was eight. It was a horrible night and I cried a lot but then my mum came the next day and took me home. She bought me chocolate and cheese curls."

Iranian press reports say Leyla was charged with controlling a brothel, having sex with blood relatives and bearing an illegitimate child. Amnesty says the court refused to admit social workers' evidence of her young mental age and convicted her on the basis of confessions.

Her prosecution echoes the fate of an even younger girl, Atefeh Rajabi, executed in August. In her case a judge known as Hajj Rezai reportedly put the noose around her neck himself after convicting her on the basis of her confessions for the fourth time in two years. She begged for her life while being led to the gallows, shouting "repentance".

Shadi Sadr, a human rights lawyer representing Atefeh's family, has filed a suit of wrongful execution against the judiciary and is preparing a murder case against Mr Rezai after uncovering new evidence. She has found documents seen by The Independent that prove Atefeh was mentally ill and her confessions should not have been used.

"There is an article in the penal code that if somebody is sentenced to lashing on three separate occasions for the same offence, the fourth conviction incurs the death penalty," Ms Sadr toldThe Independent. "The same judge tried her for each of these past cases but we haven't been allowed to see the files."

A different man was involved in each of Atefeh's convictions. All refused to confess but the judge said it was obvious they had sex with her and sentenced them each to 95 lashes.

After her trial, Atefeh said she had been a victim of sexual assault during spells of mental ill health. After her first conviction in 2001 when 14, she spent time in a state facility for the "socially harmed". Ms Sadr has obtained documents written by officials there backing up her story.

An undated report written by the facility's psychiatrist says she had a history of "chronic sexuality" and was given to "pseudo hallucinations" and seductive behaviour. He diagnosed her with borderline bipolar disorder.

People in Atefeh's neighbourhood wrote two petitions - one before her conviction and one afterwards - affirming that she suffered from mental illness and begging for leniency. Ms Sadr has been unable to locate the defence lawyer in the case.

After the verdict, Atefeh wrote to the High Court, saying: "There are medical documents that prove I have weak nerves and soul. In some minutes of the day and night I lose my sanity. During these attacks any kind of positive or negative actions may be done by me. In a society where an insane person can be serially raped or abused it is no wonder that a person like me is the victim of such an ugly act." Ms Sadr says Atefeh's mental state should have invalidated the case.

The day before the execution Atefeh told her aunt she had written three words to the High Court: "Repentance, repentance, repentance." In Iranian law, somebody who repents their crime is granted the right to appeal against their sentence.

A social worker's report says Atefeh's father and brother were heroin addicts and after her mother's death "she sought affection on the streets".

Ms Sadr says it is impossible to verify lurid claims in dissident websites about an improper relationship between girl and judge. "We will never know what happened between Atefeh and the judge because she is dead, he won't tell and she was tried in a closed court."
15 December 2004 06:26

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Put some panties on a few Muslom terrorists heads and the world rails on the U.S.

A Islamic Theocracy does this and............................................... .................................................. ........................................


silence.

[/QUOTE]You cannot bash an entire Religion because of some extreme factions in it.





Is a government of a nation just an "extreme faction" ?

in the same way the christians who bomb abortion clinics are not representative of all christians.[QUOTE]

Which was condemned by ALL Christian religious leaders. Islamakazis kill 6 year old kids and Imams encourage more. Get a clue.

[smeagol]

So, your solution is . . .?

Holy war against the all evil muslim countries?

Lets kill all those muslims, given that ALL of them think killing six year olds is right.

Islam has its fair share of extremists. Maybe they have more extremists than other religions. So lets kill all Muslims and get rid of the problem once and for all.

And I'm the one who has to get a clue . . . :rolleyes

[smackdaddy11]

Maybe they have more extremists than other religions.


Name one world religion that preaches as much hatred as the Muslim. Show me one religion that is destroying and killing as many under the guise of religion. Using the old crusades arguement has no bearing on it. That was centuries ago and western civilation has come along way since those atrocities. Islam is still stuck in 400 A.D. Using the term "maybe" shows you still don't comprehend the threat.

ANY Dictatorial Theocracy is bad. How many Muslims in the the world want or support a current Sharia Theocracy? Too damn many of 'em. These people believe that you believe their thinking, or die.

My goal is to make people in the western world realize there are waaaaaaay to many Muslims who want this worldwide. Try to grasp the whole picture. Even the European pacifists are starting to wake up to the fact that radical Islam is EVERYWHERE.

If you understood how Islam has grown in the Muslim world since 300 A.D., you would realize they killed off everyone else who didn't believe in it. Muhammed was a thief and murderer. Islam has 3 goals that the majority, if not all the Imams preach.

1. Make the world an Islamic state.

2. Kill those who refuse.

3. Migrate to Western society and refuse to adapt to that countries culture. In the process, destroy western economics.

Ther are moderate Muslims. Usings words like always and never get anbody in trouble. The issue is they are awfully silent. 86% of the Muslims in England want SHARIA LAW to punish muslims. They want their own court system. What would they want next? Doesn't sound like a group that wants to merge into western culture, does it?

80% of Muslims in the middle east thought the 9/11 attacks were a jewish conspiracy. Understand the mindset of your enemy. These people are completely unstable.

Christianity is the #1 religion in the world. Islam is # 2 and the fastest growing. The world demographics show a huge increase in the population of the Middle Easterner and the European/White man is declining severely. Over the next 20 years, you do realize there will be more Islamists in Europe than any other religion?

The demographics of the U.S. are a little different. The Hispanic popoulation is growing rapidly and they are heavily christian.



So, your solution is . . .?

Iraq is the start. Give the masses of a former secular state a taste of democracy and capitalism and hopefully they will see the benifits of a free society. Then, hopefully, the Middle East will see a thriving democracy in the heart of Middle East, will want that for themselves, and will start to deny and revolt against the teachings of the nut, radical Islamakazis.

If this doesn't work, God help us. Global conflict will exist until one, or all of us, are 6' under.

[smackdaddy11]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15983


These quotes from Khomeni himself good enough?

I restate you need a clue.



Khomeini in Dearborn
By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | November 17, 2004

Last Friday, Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan, held an anti-American, anti-Israel demonstration. Protestors carried a large model of Jerusalem’s Al-Aqsa Mosque and waved signs bearing slogans such as “US Hands Off Muslim Land.” But the most arresting image was of a Muslim woman carrying a large sign featuring the face of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.


Time dims memories. I wonder if any onlooker at the demonstration saw the Khomeini sign and remembered those tense days of the Iranian hostage crisis, when Khomeini’s regime violated the traditional sanctity of the embassy and held 50 Americans for month after month while Jimmy Carter dithered. I wonder if any of the onlookers knew that Khomeini’s triumph in Iran in 1979 embodied the idea that Islamic law was superior to all other ways to order societies, and must be pressed forward by force. As Khomeini himself put it: “Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world....But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world.”


The goal of this conquest would be to establish the hegemony of Islamic law. As Khomeini put it: “What is the good of us [i.e., the mullahs] asking for the hand of a thief to be severed or an adulteress to be stoned to death when all we can do is recommend such punishments, having no power to implement them?”



Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”


Was the woman who carried Khomeini’s image in the Dearborn demonstration concerned about the human rights of women? Did she know that the Ayatollah himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight? Did she know that Khomeini called marriage to a girl before her first menstrual period “a divine blessing,” and advised the faithful: “Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house”?


It is unlikely that the protestor knew that in 1985, Sa’id Raja’i-Khorassani, the Permanent Delegate to the United Nations from the Islamic Republic of Iran, declared, according to Amir Taheri, that “the very concept of human rights was ‘a Judeo-Christian invention’ and inadmissible in Islam. . . . According to Ayatollah Khomeini, one of the Shah’s ‘most despicable sins’ was the fact that Iran was one of the original group of nations that drafted and approved the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.”

I wonder if anyone at the Dearborn protest realized that the appearance of these signs in Dearborn, Michigan, exalting this man as a hero, indicated that Khomeini’s vision for society is alive in America today — and that it is dangerously naive to assume that all Muslims immediately and unquestioningly accept American pluralism and the idea of a state not governed by religious law. The Netherlands is just finding out, thanks to the cold-blooded murder and attempted decapitation of the “blasphemer” Theo van Gogh by a Muslim who appears to have been part of a larger jihadist cell, that not all the Muslims in Holland are the committed pluralists and secularists that they have been assumed to be by credulous European authorities.



With Khomeini a hero in Dearborn, Americans may be finding that out for themselves before long. Just where American Muslims stand on Khomeini’s doctrines — and how many stand with Khomeini — are still forbidden questions for the major media. But if the old man could have spoken from his sign in Dearborn, he might have said, “Ignore me at your own risk.”




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Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and the author of Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West (Regnery Publishing), and Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World’s Fastest Growing Faith (Encounter Books).






http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41939


Article about the 1st link in the thread.





U.S. Muslim event
hails Khomeini
Mainstream figures speak at 'tribute to the great Islamic visionary'

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Posted: December 15, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Art Moore
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A Texas Muslim organization held a special event honoring the late Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini, advertised as a "tribute to the great Islamic visionary."

With the aim of cultivating "the unity of the Muslim ummah [brotherhood] around the globe," the Metroplex Organization of Muslims in North Texas, a Shia group, invited prominent local and national Muslim leaders to the seminar Saturday, including Mohammad Asi, the former imam of the Islamic Center in Washington, D.C., who has been monitored by U.S. law enforcement for ties to Tehran's radical regime.


Asi wrote in a 1994 public letter to Khomeini's successor, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: "I ... swear allegiance to you as leader of the Muslims."

Other speakers included the director of the local branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which casts itself as the nation's leading Muslim civil-rights group, and an NBA player.

A Dallas-area Muslim leader who has been honored for his civil-rights work told WorldNetDaily he spoke at the day-long seminar in Irving, Texas, and heard a couple of other speakers.

But Mohamed Elibiary claimed he was not aware of the event's general theme and "tribute" to Khomeini.

In a phone conversation yesterday, WND directed him to an ad for the seminar posted on the Metroplex Organization of Muslims in North Texas website, which includes a photo of Khomeini alongside a message speaking of "Islamic revolution."

[Editor's Note: Since the publishing of this story, the Muslim group has removed the page. The link goes to a Google, cached version.]

The leader of Iran's Islamic revolution in 1979, Khomeini famously viewed the U.S. as the "Great Satan" and said "Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males ... to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world."

Elibiary – known for his Muslim lobby and vote-mobilization efforts as president of the Plano, Texas-based Freedom and Justice Foundation – stated that this was the first time he had seen the flyer.

Replying to a question, Elibiary said he disagreed with the thrust of the message, which reads:


"'Neither east nor west' is the prinicipal slogan of an Islamic revolution in a world of hunger and oppression and outlines the true policy of non-alliance for the Islamic countries and countries that in the near future with the help of Allah SWT, will accept Islam as the only school for liberating humanity and will not recede or sway from the policy even one step.
"I don't know what they mean by revolution," Elibiary commented, "but I see myself as a Westerner."

The Muslim leader said he doesn't foresee America becoming an Islamic nation.

"I don't think it's possible," Elibiary said. "We'll always have choice of different faiths. I don't see that disappearing."


He said he is very aware of debates within Islam on such issues, "but I don't bother with them."

Asked his view of Khomeini, Elibiary, reared in the U.S., said he didn't know much about the Shiite leader and his revolution.

"All I know is what I grew up learning about it, the hostage crisis," he said. "All I know about him is negative stuff. I have never read his writings. I never bothered to learn any positive stuff about his history."

'Grand strike against New York'

Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes told WND he finds the Dallas-area event a troubling step in the direction of Great Britain, where radical leaders freely speak of overthrowing the government.

"Historically, in this country, Islamists have had the decency to pretend to not have the view they have and try to accommodate American opinion," said Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum and a presidentially-appointed board member of the U.S. Institute of Peace.

"In a place like Great Britain, they don't worry about that anymore," he said. "While on the one hand, that clarifies matters and makes it easier to see who's who, on the other hand, it shows a disdain for majority opinion that is troublesome."

The imam Asi drew attention with an October 2001 speech at the National Press Club in Washington in which he called 9-11 "a grand strike against New York and Washington" launched by "Israeli Zionist Jews" who had warned Jews working at the World Trade Center to stay home that day.

If America contines to offend Islam, he warned, "the day of reckoning is approaching."

Asi's website says he was expelled from the Islamic Center in Washington for the "fiery nature of his speeches" and has been "forced to deliver the Friday khutbah for the past 20 years from the sidewalk across the street" from the center.

Elibiary spoke Saturday for only about 15 minutes – about how citizens can become active in local politics – and did not hear Asi's speech, he said.

Yesterday morning, however, Elibiary was forwarded an e-mail that included Asi's message, which he described as "not very flattering."

Is he concerned about being linked with such an event and figures such as Asi?

"I wouldn't want my name associated with radicalism," Elibiary said, "but I expect people to judge me on what I do. Anybody who has known me for any period of time wouldn't worry about it."

In March, Elibiary was awarded the "Invisible Giant" Award at the National Voting Rights Museum in Selma, Ala., "based upon his work on the electoral process in the Dallas-Fort Worth community," according to a press release.

Along with Asi and Elibiary, listed speakers at Saturday's seminar were host Imam Shamshad Haider; Imam Abbas Ayleya of Seattle; Imam Dr. Yusuf Kavakci of the Dallas Central Mosque; Iyas Maleh of the Dallas Fort Worth branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations; and "special guest" Tariq Abdul Wahad, who plays for the NBA's Dallas Mavericks.

WND was unable to reach Haider for comment.

Elibiary said he doesn't know why Maleh was listed in his role as head of the Dallas-area Council on American-Islamic Relations, pointing out Maleh spoke as a representive of a local activist group called United for Peace and Justice.

A founding member of CAIR's first Texas chapter, Ghassan Elashi, was indicted for financial ties to Hamas leader Musa Abu Marzook.

Haider, has spoken at events such as Southern Methodist University's "The World of Islam" series in October 2002, which "explored what it means to be American and Muslim in North Texas."

Asi once led a workshop at an Islamic conference titled "What the Western Press Calls 'Suicide Bombings,'" defining terrorism as the "poor man's warfare."

In a Jan. 1, 2003, story, the Washington Post said that for 14 years, until 1997, Asi ran the Islamic Education Center in Potomac, Md., funded by the New York-based Alavi Foundation, "which law enforcement officials say is closely tied to the mullahs who dominate Iran."

FBI counter-terrorism chief Oliver "Buck" Revell said the bureau has long believed Alavi is "a front organization for the Iranian regime that is engaged in covert intelligence activity on the part of a hostile foreign government," the Post reported.

The foundation funds a variety of anti-American causes, including Islamic centers around the nation that espouse support for Khomeini.

In 1990, just before the first Gulf War, Asi was recorded saying, "If the Americans are placing their forces in the Persian Gulf, we should be creating another war front for the Americans in the Muslim world – and specifically where American interests are concentrated."

An audio excerpt was included in counterterrorism expert Steven Emerson's 1994 PBS documentary, "Jihad in America."