50 reasons why Hillary will be a better president.

[Al Gore]

Unlike Bush she will do something next time folks in America are starving due to a flood. (not 4 days later) plus she can speak better, and knows the difference form APEC and OPEC


50 reasons why Hillary will be a better president.

[Yonivore]

Unlike Bush she will do something next time folks in America are starving due to a flood. (not 4 days later) plus she can speak better, and knows the difference form APEC and OPEC


50 reasons why Hillary will be a better president.
So, the Democratic Governor of Louisiana, the Democratic Mayor of New Orleans, and the Democratic U. S. Representative of the New Orleans District (William "Cold Cash" Jefferson) bear no responsibility for the aftermath of Katrina and a Democratic President can be expected to act any differently?

Yeah.

[mookie2001]

chertoff was most responsible

i dont like hilary its just chertoff was the one who derserves the blame for response

[Yonivore]

chertoff was most responsible

i dont like hilary its just chertoff was the one who derserves the blame for response
I hold Mayor "let the buses drown" Nagin and Governor "I'll ignore the president's pleas to evacuate" Blanco. Not to mention the long line of Louisiana politicians that have diverted levee funding over the decades to pork projects instead of actually building and maintaining adequate levees around New Orleans.

Why would you blame Chertoff? Wasn't pretty boy at FEMA then? Besides, New Orleans had apparently dodged the bullet when the hurricane made landfall and moved on. It wasn't until the next day that the levees broke and caused the most destruction -- to everyone's surprise.

Cheers.

[mookie2001]

chertoff had the authority, brownie gets a bad rap because he was a horse show judge, but his hands were tied

if you have to blame anyone else it would be the army corps of engineers

[Yonivore]

chertoff had the authority, brownie gets a bad rap because he was a horse show judge, but his hands were tied

if you have to blame anyone else it would be the army corps of engineers
The Army Corps of Engineers were robbed by Louisiana politicians. They had no money to do the work that needed to be done over the past several decades.

[boutons_]

ACoE are pile of corrupt, boon-doggling, incompetent jerkoffs.

Hillary won't (wouldn't have) started an oil-grab war.

[WHOTTABITCH]

ACofE are pile of corrupt, boon-doggling, incompetent jerkoffs.

Hillary won't (wouldn't have) started an oil-grab war.


Only continued it.

Seriously Boutons is the easiest to pwn.

[boutons_]

"Only continued it."

Predicting what HC will do, using the past tense, is your fantasy of owning me?

GFY, asshole. Your shit is as weak as Aggies'. Try to bring better shit, and I'll just bitch slap you out of the forum.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I hold Mayor "let the buses drown" Nagin and Governor "I'll ignore the president's pleas to evacuate" Blanco. Not to mention the long line of Louisiana politicians that have diverted levee funding over the decades to pork projects instead of actually building and maintaining adequate levees around New Orleans.

Why would you blame Chertoff? Wasn't pretty boy at FEMA then? Besides, New Orleans had apparently dodged the bullet when the hurricane made landfall and moved on. It wasn't until the next day that the levees broke and caused the most destruction -- to everyone's surprise.

Cheers.


The guy did manage to get upwards of 85% of thre population out of the city. I know you probably would have criticized him if he had gotten only 98% out but this argument is , not only, disengenous it is dishonest. If were to take names and pilitical affiliations out of this equation I believe that most people would commend a mayor for being responsible of getting 85%+ of his city out of harms way. he did tell those people to leave and gave them an opportunity to call for a ride.Logistically I can't see how he or anyone could accomplish what the Republicans who have accused him of not doing. I am going to assume that there were other bus yards full however to take away and stain from the feds it is easy to play the 20/20 hindsight game and blame a Democrat...

Of course today Democrats are being accused of many things including playing the 20/20 hindsight game with the mess in Iraq... The Yoni's of the world accuse Dems of playing the armchair general when it comes to Iraq but it's ok for the same people to play armchair mayor's so they can blame a Dem..... hypocrisy is in the air....

[smeagol]

3. I assume she knows Austria and Australia are two different countries.

[xrayzebra]

The guy did manage to get upwards of 85% of thre population out of the city. I know you probably would have criticized him if he had gotten only 98% out but this argument is , not only, disengenous it is dishonest. If were to take names and pilitical affiliations out of this equation I believe that most people would commend a mayor for being responsible of getting 85%+ of his city out of harms way. he did tell those people to leave and gave them an opportunity to call for a ride.Logistically I can't see how he or anyone could accomplish what the Republicans who have accused him of not doing. I am going to assume that there were other bus yards full however to take away and stain from the feds it is easy to play the 20/20 hindsight game and blame a Democrat...

Of course today Democrats are being accused of many things including playing the 20/20 hindsight game with the mess in Iraq... The Yoni's of the world accuse Dems of playing the armchair general when it comes to Iraq but it's ok for the same people to play armchair mayor's so they can blame a Dem..... hypocrisy is in the air....

He did what! GGA you like the rest of your group just
grap numbers out of air and you expect people to believe
them. 85 percent my foot!
:dizzy

[George Gervin's Afro]

He did what! GGA you like the rest of your group just
grap numbers out of air and you expect people to believe
them. 85 percent my foot!
:dizzy


So if he was able to get that many people out of the city would you agree he did a good job? yes or no ray..

[xrayzebra]

So if he was able to get that many people out of the city would you agree he did a good job? yes or no ray..

If he done anything I would give him credit. But all he
did was bitch about the federal government not taking
care of his problem. Blanco can take her share of the
blame to.


He didn't even provide anything at the superdome where
he told people to go.

[smeagol]

4. Dynasties are good in basketball. Therefore they're good in government.
Are you talking about the Bush dynasty too?

[xrayzebra]

smeagol did you check out the video clip I posted in
the "damn climate change" thread and have you ever been there?

[Slydragon]

Hillary hates violent video games, shes leaves them be then she can be president. :p:

[WHOTTABITCH]

"Only continued it."

Predicting what HC will do, using the past tense, is your fantasy of owning me?

GFY, asshole. Your shit is as weak as Aggies'. Try to bring better shit, and I'll just bitch slap you out of the forum.


Unless her challenger is Ron Paul, she will triangulate as much as possible.


Don't bring your weak takes here. I'll just pist on your matzah puss, bitchslap you and make you be my caddie.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Unless her challenger is Ron Paul, she will triangulate as much as possible.


Don't bring your weak takes here. I'll just pist on your matzah puss, bitchslap you and make you be my caddie.


speaking of weak takes good morning whottasissy..

[smeagol]

smeagol did you check out the video clip I posted in
the "damn climate change" thread and have you ever been there?
No I haven't. I will do it from home.

[WHOTTABITCH]

speaking of weak takes good morning whottasissy..
Whottasissy is not as good as WHoTTaBitch.

[Kori Ellis]

5. She'll get hotter women than Bush does.

















I'm just kidding, I hate Hillary.

[Lady Marmalade]

Best Yet would be Barack Obama.

[xrayzebra]

Best Yet would be Barack Obama.


You bet, then him and Reid could consolidate their
realtor business.

[Ocotillo]

http://www.workingassetsblog.com/TMW09-05-07colorlowres.jpg

[Holt's Cat]

She's the favorite of a humorless political cartoonist?

[Yonivore]

7. When Hillary starts a war. She finishes the damn thing.
Name one she's finished. During her co-presidency with Slick, they started a war in Bosnia that isn't over and surrendered Mogadishu.

Quite a record.

[ChumpDumper]

At least we send enough troops to Bosnia.

And you want to still be in Somalia?

[xrayzebra]

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z273/xrayzebra/Firsthusb.gif


Bill's worst nightmare.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Name one she's finished. During her co-presidency with Slick, they started a war in Bosnia that isn't over and surrendered Mogadishu.

Quite a record.


what was our mission in Somalia? Didn't he inherit that mess?

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://www.workingassetsblog.com/TMW09-05-07colorlowres.jpg


This is a FANTASTIC cartoon strip..always hits the nail on the head..

[Holt's Cat]

Man, partisan political cartoons are awesome. :jack

[Yonivore]

Three questions:

1) Where did Norman Hsu get his money;

2) Why did he want Hillary Clinton to be President so bad; and,

3) Will Hillary return the money to the other "bundlers" that have ties to Norman Hsu?

[johnsmith]

I can't believe Hillary is the front-runner. Can someone please explain to me what Hillary has done in her past that constitutes qualifications for running this country? Please someone tell me, Please!!!!!!!!

[johnsmith]

No one?

[clambake]

It should be apparent that "anyone" qualifies.

She has seen and experienced what knowledge and strength is nessesary to be a leader.

Right now she's like the rest of us, having to watch bush and see what not to do.

[xrayzebra]

It should be apparent that "anyone" qualifies.

She has seen and experienced what knowledge and strength is nessesary to be a leader.

Even a twerp like you fit this description of someone qualified to be President.

Right now she's like the rest of us, having to watch bush and see what not to do.

She wouldn't make a pimple on Bushs' rearend. Her experience as second President during her and hubbys first occupation of the White House was how to feather their nest. Which they did a very good job of.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Gee Bush ahs done such a fantastic job.. his approval ratings are through the roof...oh wait he sucks. he did manage to destabilize the middle east...

[George Gervin's Afro]

I can't believe Hillary is the front-runner. Can someone please explain to me what Hillary has done in her past that constitutes qualifications for running this country? Please someone tell me, Please!!!!!!!!


I'm still looking for the qualifications for President in the Constitution..

[DarkReign]

I can't believe Hillary is the front-runner. Can someone please explain to me what Hillary has done in her past that constitutes qualifications for running this country? Please someone tell me, Please!!!!!!!!

She doesnt.

[xrayzebra]

Gee Bush ahs done such a fantastic job.. his approval ratings are through the roof...oh wait he sucks. he did manage to destabilize the middle east...

You could do better? Or who should we elect in your
most sought after opinion to be President?

[George Gervin's Afro]

You could do better? Or who should we elect in your
most sought after opinion to be President?


I am not impressed with anyone in either party.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Three questions:

1) Where did Norman Hsu get his money;

2) Why did he want Hillary Clinton to be President so bad; and,

3) Will Hillary return the money to the other "bundlers" that have ties to Norman Hsu?


I'm trying to read between the lines.. :rolleyes

[xrayzebra]

I am not impressed with anyone in either party.

Really, then what direction should this country take?
More socialism or more capitalism?

You seem do dislike anyone who is a conservative. And
always express a dislike for Bush and his actions. Who
do you think is right in the dispute over our war on terrorism,
Iraq? Is Reid and Pelosi doing the right things?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Really, then what direction should this country take?
More socialism or more capitalism?

You seem do dislike anyone who is a conservative. And
always express a dislike for Bush and his actions. Who
do you think is right in the dispute over our war on terrorism,
Iraq? Is Reid and Pelosi doing the right things?


I don't recall anyone running on a socialist platform.. I supported, and still do support our work in afghanistan.. Bush lost my respect and trust when certain parts of his justifications for war were found to be questionable.. not only were they questionable he knew that and still used them as justifcation for war.. I know I should just shut up and let the man ruin our country..As far as reid and pelosi ... I would have done somethings differently , ok alot of things differently but are they any worse than the GOP?

[Yonivore]

I'm trying to read between the lines.. :rolleyes
Why not just show some genuine intellectual curiosity about the questions and worry about the blank spaces later?

You don't think those are relevant questions?

Put aside, for a moment, whether or not Hillary Clinton knew anything about Norman Hsu prior to his arrest; aren't you the least bit curious as to why a twice-bankrupt Chinese immigrant, running several shell companies with no discernible business, would take in hundreds of thousands of dollars and dole it back out to people who then gave to Hillary's campaign?

Is he acting alone? Is he an agent of Communist China? Is he related to the same type of activities that were discovered in the '96 Clinton campaign? What gives?

What is his interest in wanting Hillary Clinton to be president? Are you that incurious?

[ChumpDumper]

Is he an agent of Communist China?You just told us to worry about that later.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Why not just show some genuine intellectual curiosity about the questions and worry about the blank spaces later?

You don't think those are relevant questions?

Put aside, for a moment, whether or not Hillary Clinton knew anything about Norman Hsu prior to his arrest; aren't you the least bit curious as to why a twice-bankrupt Chinese immigrant, running several shell companies with no discernible business, would take in hundreds of thousands of dollars and dole it back out to people who then gave to Hillary's campaign?

Is he acting alone? Is he an agent of Communist China? Is he related to the same type of activities that were discovered in the '96 Clinton campaign? What gives?

What is his interest in wanting Hillary Clinton to be president? Are you that incurious?

If Hsu is a communist agent then yes Clinon has a problem. If Clinton knew about his shady businesses then she has a problem. All of this will be vetted by the right wing bloggers. I have zero doubt that if there is anything that whiffs of wrongdoing someone on the right will find it..

[Yonivore]

If Hsu is a communist agent then yes Clinon has a problem. If Clinton knew about his shady businesses then she has a problem. All of this will be vetted by the right wing bloggers. I have zero doubt that if there is anything that whiffs of wrongdoing someone on the right will find it..
The Mainstream Media seems as incurious as you.

Why are you and they depending on the "Right Wing" Blogosphere to root this out, which -- I agree with you -- they will. Isn't in everyone's interest that everything that can be known about Norman Hsu be known as soon as possible?

Connections are already being made to other Clinton "bundlers" and Chinese donors from '96. Hillary may be giving back more than the already $860,000; a new record, by the way.

It must be the "Year of the Rat" all over again.

[ChumpDumper]

Hillary may be giving back more than the already $860,000Considering she raised $33 million in July alone, it is difficult to see how communist China is going to remote control Hillary via Norman Hsu with less than $1 million.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The Mainstream Media seems as incurious as you.

Why are you and they depending on the "Right Wing" Blogosphere to root this out, which -- I agree with you -- they will. Isn't in everyone's interest that everything that can be known about Norman Hsu be known as soon as possible?

Connections are already being made to other Clinton "bundlers" and Chinese donors from '96. Hillary may be giving back more than the already $860,000; a new record, by the way.

It must be the "Year of the Rat" all over again.


I'm glad your keeping an open mind and being objective.. :rolleyes

[Yonivore]

I'm glad your keeping an open mind and being objective.. :rolleyes
I'm willing to stipulate she knew nothing about this guy before he was arrested.

I'd still like to know where his money came from and why he's so interested in getting Hillary elected.

Aren't you?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm willing to stipulate she knew nothing about this guy before he was arrested.

I'd still like to know where his money came from and why he's so interested in getting Hillary elected.

Aren't you?


If she didn't know him then why should we worry about his money? I don't jump to conclusions or form an opnion until I know more about any situatuion. The right wing is hyper sensitive when it comes to the Clinton's so anything that arouses suspicion is trumpeted by the likes of Fox News and the talk radio curcuit.

[Yonivore]

If she didn't know him then why should we worry about his money?
Well, because you have a Chinese immigrant (or national, I'm not sure which), funneling nearly a million dollars, of unknown origin, into a presidential campaign.


I don't jump to conclusions or form an opnion until I know more about any situatuion.
Of course not, all of your opinions on the Iraq War and George Bush's presidency are founded on carved-in-stone facts.

The money that can be tied to Hsu is approaching Abrahmoff levels and we all remember the caterwalling that ensued over his political contributions -- well those he made to conservatives anyway, (::wink::wink:: Harry Reid).


The right wing is hyper sensitive when it comes to the Clinton's so anything that arouses suspicion is trumpeted by the likes of Fox News and the talk radio curcuit.
I think this is a case where everyone's suspicions should be raised. At least Abrahmoff's money had a trail. This guy is pulling Franklin's out of thin air.

Here's a prediction for you. Much of the money Hillary sends back will be returned by the post office undelivered. Just like in '96, many of the names on the donor list will either take a slow boat to China or "lawyer up" and clam up.

Here's another prediction for you. The Mainstream Media will drop the story now that Hillary has divorced herself from the issue, returned the money, and instituted her new "criminal checks for checks" program.

[ChumpDumper]

Here's a prediction for you. You will still be plagiarizing blogs that will advance nothing but speculation, innuendo and lies about this issue for months to come.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

What about the postman with a $45,000 salary that contributed $250,000 to her? sniff sniff<------that don't smell right.

[Yonivore]

What about the postman with a $45,000 salary that contributed $250,000 to her? sniff sniff<------that don't smell right.
More importantly, where did Hsu get the $250,000 to give to the Paws so they could send it in to Hillary and other Democratic campaigns?

[ChumpDumper]

Most importantly, how much does $850,000 matter in a campaign that will probably spend about half a billion dollars?

[xrayzebra]

I'm willing to stipulate she knew nothing about this guy before he was arrested.

I'd still like to know where his money came from and why he's so interested in getting Hillary elected.

Aren't you?

Horse hockey yoni, I will not stipulate anything. She like
her husband are so damned crooked they will have to
screw them into the ground when they are buried.

Remember the Livingstone and 500 FBI files? And
no one could remember who hired livingstone?

I don't think I want anymore of their crap.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Horse hockey yoni, I will not stipulate anything. She like
her husband are so damned crooked they will have to
screw them into the ground when they are buried.

Remember the Livingstone and 500 FBI files? And
no one could remember who hired livingstone?

I don't think I want anymore of their crap.

:sleep :sleep :sleep

[Yonivore]

Horse hockey yoni, I will not stipulate anything. She like
her husband are so damned crooked they will have to
screw them into the ground when they are buried.

Remember the Livingstone and 500 FBI files? And
no one could remember who hired livingstone?

I don't think I want anymore of their crap.
Then let the facts show it.

[xrayzebra]

Then let the facts show it.

Show what yoni? That they had 500 FBI files. That is
a fact. And hearings showed that no one could remember
who hired him.

[Yonivore]

Show what yoni? That they had 500 FBI files. That is
a fact. And hearings showed that no one could remember
who hired him.
Can we just stick to the question at hand?

Yes, I agree, the Bill Clinton White House was a corrupt as they come. Craig Livingstone's magical employment being just one of hundreds of anecdotes of their corruption.

But, I'm interested in getting to the bottom of Hsu's cash and rehashing previous scandals won't get us there unless, of course, you're suggesting Livingstone is connected to Hsu somehow.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Most importantly, how much does $850,000 matter in a campaign that will probably spend about half a billion dollars?i guess muslims taking flight lessons didn't mean much in 2000 as well.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Show what yoni? That they had 500 FBI files. That is
a fact. And hearings showed that no one could remember
who hired him.


Yeah like someone saying we knew right where the wmds were..around tikrit i believe he said..

[George Gervin's Afro]

i guess muslims taking flight lessons didn't mean much in 2000 as well.


didn't the an FBI agent bring that to the attention of the bush administration?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

well speak of the devil
---------------------------------------------------------

The Clinton campaign said Monday that it will return money solicited by Norman Hsu from more than 250 donors.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – A day after Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign announced it was returning $850,000 raised by fugitive fundraiser Norman Hsu, new details have emerged about his capture last week, according to reports from The Wall Street Journal.

The disgraced Democratic fundraiser, who is under investigation for investment fraud in the 1990's, failed to appear in court last Wednesday. He was later found on an Amtrak train headed for Chicago.

The Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site Monday night and in the newspaper’s print edition Tuesday, that it was not a pleasant trip for Hsu.

Another passenger, Joanne Segale, tells the newspaper she noticed several items spill out of his sleeping cabin, and when she peeked through the window and "saw a man who appeared to be in fetal position, bare-chested."

"It appeared this person had fallen out of bed," she told Journal.

A crowbar was needed to open the Hsu’s cabin where he was found on the ground and unable to walk, the Journal reported.

Segale also told the newspaper she noticed "lots and lots of medication in that room. I could see pills on the floor and rolling around."

Hsu was taken to a Colorado hospital and then taken into custody by the FBI.

Hsu has also given to other Democratic candidates, including Clinton's chief rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama.

[xrayzebra]

Can we just stick to the question at hand?

Yes, I agree, the Bill Clinton White House was a corrupt as they come. Craig Livingstone's magical employment being just one of hundreds of anecdotes of their corruption.

But, I'm interested in getting to the bottom of Hsu's cash and rehashing previous scandals won't get us there unless, of course, you're suggesting Livingstone is connected to Hsu somehow.

Getting to the bottom of either Billarys or Bills cash
contributions will never happen, especially now, with
a dimm-o-craptic Congress. As a matter of fact I will
go so far as to say we have heard all we are going to
hear about Hsu and his money. The MSM certainly wont
pursue it. And the Congress wont pursue it, in any way,
shape, form of fashion. As a matter of fact, I would
bet none of the money is returned as they say they are
doing. But how would you prove it. One way or the other?

[Yonivore]

Memory Lane (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/10/AR2007091002545.html?hpid=topnews)

"...in the 1990s, the Democratic National Committee returned more than $360,000 in donations from Taiwanese American businessman Johnny Chung, who raised money for the party during Bill Clinton’s 1996 reelection bid and later admitted that he accepted some of the money from Chinese military officials.

And, on SpunkMunchers point, if $860,000 isn't significant (even if that's all and it doesn't turn out to be just the tip of the iceberg, as I suspect it will), why do we have McCain-Feingold or any laws restricting campaign contributions? $860,000 is a bit more than the $2,300 cap for Mr. Hsu.

Either it's a significant violation of our law or it's not and the law should be repealed.


"I see the White House is like a subway; you have to put in coins to open the gates."
This, from a guy who funneled money to Bill Clinton's campaign from the Communist Chinese in 1996.

And, whadda ya know? He did have pretty free access to the "subway," didn't he?

[Yonivore]

Getting to the bottom of either Billarys or Bills cash
contributions will never happen, especially now, with
a dimm-o-craptic Congress. As a matter of fact I will
go so far as to say we have heard all we are going to
hear about Hsu and his money. The MSM certainly wont
pursue it. And the Congress wont pursue it, in any way,
shape, form of fashion. As a matter of fact, I would
bet none of the money is returned as they say they are
doing. But how would you prove it. One way or the other?
Well then, you need to just give up if it'll never happen.

[George Gervin's Afro]

well speak of the devil
---------------------------------------------------------

The Clinton campaign said Monday that it will return money solicited by Norman Hsu from more than 250 donors.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – A day after Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign announced it was returning $850,000 raised by fugitive fundraiser Norman Hsu, new details have emerged about his capture last week, according to reports from The Wall Street Journal.

The disgraced Democratic fundraiser, who is under investigation for investment fraud in the 1990's, failed to appear in court last Wednesday. He was later found on an Amtrak train headed for Chicago.

The Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site Monday night and in the newspaper’s print edition Tuesday, that it was not a pleasant trip for Hsu.

Another passenger, Joanne Segale, tells the newspaper she noticed several items spill out of his sleeping cabin, and when she peeked through the window and "saw a man who appeared to be in fetal position, bare-chested."

"It appeared this person had fallen out of bed," she told Journal.

A crowbar was needed to open the Hsu’s cabin where he was found on the ground and unable to walk, the Journal reported.

Segale also told the newspaper she noticed "lots and lots of medication in that room. I could see pills on the floor and rolling around."

Hsu was taken to a Colorado hospital and then taken into custody by the FBI.

Hsu has also given to other Democratic candidates, including Clinton's chief rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama.


That story was out last night on Drudge.. your a little late

[ChumpDumper]

i guess muslims taking flight lessons didn't mean much in 2000 as well.I'm sorry, to whom were they making campaign contributions?

No one?

Oh, so there's no reason to bring them up here.

What a stupid tangent.

[ChumpDumper]

Memory Lane (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/10/AR2007091002545.html?hpid=topnews)


And, on SpunkMunchers point, if $860,000 isn't significant (even if that's all and it doesn't turn out to be just the tip of the iceberg, as I suspect it will), why do we have McCain-Feingold or any laws restricting campaign contributions? $860,000 is a bit more than the $2,300 cap for Mr. Hsu.

Either it's a significant violation of our law or it's not and the law should be repealed.I suggest you read your own plagiarized blogs about bundling.

[xrayzebra]

Well then, you need to just give up if it'll never happen.

I thought I just said that, in more than 50 words or more!

[Yonivore]

I thought I just said that, in more than 50 words or more!
Maybe you need to be more direct if I can say the same thing in a sentence.

As for me, I think the Clintons will eventually pay for their nefarious ways. But, more importantly, I doubt Hillary can weather a reprise of anything approaching "The Year of the Rat" scandal.

Just wait until her critics start talking about all the technology transfers to China during her husband's second term. Then, they'll bring up all the Chinese spies that have been discovered rooting around at Los Alamos and other federal installations.

I have no doubt the Communist Chinese benefitted greatly from a Bill Clinton presidency and if that can be, at the very least, insinuated into Hillary's campaign, she's toast.

That's why it's so important to get to the bottom of Hsu's money pit.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I'm sorry, to whom were they making campaign contributions?

No one?

Oh, so there's no reason to bring them up here.

What a stupid tangent.i just brought it up 'cause you have no information to dismiss it as easily as you do. that's a lot of money from a person that's from one of our enemy countries.

[ChumpDumper]

i just brought it up 'cause you have no information to dismiss it as easily as you do.Sure I do. $850,000 is like 0.17% of $500,000,000.
that's a lot of money from a person that's from one of our enemy countries.Great Britain was our enemy country in 1951?

[xrayzebra]

Maybe you need to be more direct if I can say the same thing in a sentence.



You said that? I thought you said: "But, I'm interested in getting to the bottom of Hsu's cash and rehashing previous scandals won't get us there unless, of course, you're suggesting Livingstone is connected to Hsu somehow."

Doesn't sound like the same thing to me. But I could be
mistaken.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

That's why it's so important to get to the bottom of Hsu's money pit...but, it was only $850,000 according to Chump. There's no need to

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Sure I do. $850,000 is like 0.17% of $500,000,000.Great Britain was our enemy country in 1951?great britain was
china is

[ChumpDumper]

..but, it was only $850,000 according to Chump. There's no need toI'm not saying it doesn't need to be investigated. I'm just saying that $850,000 isn't going to give China much entree into any administration.

If you want to see real influence, just look at our $232,588,000,000 trade surplus China enjoy over us last year, or perhaps the $800,000,000,000 in US currency China is holding in reserve.

That's real money.

[ChumpDumper]

great britain was:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[xrayzebra]

I'm not saying it doesn't need to be investigated. I'm just saying that $850,000 isn't going to give China much entree into any administration.

If you want to see real influence, just look at our $232,588,000,000 trade surplus China enjoy over us last year, or perhaps the $800,000,000,000 in US currency China is holding in reserve.

That's real money.

Chump did we receive any goods from those dollars
last year?

Do you ever read Walter Williams. You should.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump did we receive any goods from those dollars
last year?

Do you ever read Walter Williams. You should.Hey, if you are comfortable with communist China having that much control over $800,000,000,000 of our currency, then I don't see why we should worry about anything ever.

[johnsmith]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Gonna have to agree with Chump on this one.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Gonna have to agree with Chump on this one.wow. that was stupid. I'm posting here at work and have to be quick. i wish i could delete that. is that a first? admission of wrong doing in the political forum.

[johnsmith]

wow. that was stupid. I'm posting here at work and have to be quick. i wish i could delete that. is that a first? admission of wrong doing in the political forum.


Actually, yes I believe it is the first time.

Good for you.

[George Gervin's Afro]

wow. that was stupid. I'm posting here at work and have to be quick. i wish i could delete that. is that a first? admission of wrong doing in the political forum.
:clap very big of you... where's ray..

[johnsmith]

:clap very big of you... where's ray..

and clambake?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

hey. i'm man enought to admit my faults and stupidity. now that i'm reading it......jeez.

[Al Gore]

08












The death of the ST political forum?

[Holt's Cat]

45. She's a breath of political fresh air.
46. Her husband is Bill Clinton and he once got a BJ from a fat intern.
47. Because you love a middle aged woman in a suit.
48. You haven't a clue.

[DarkReign]

i just brought it up 'cause you have no information to dismiss it as easily as you do. that's a lot of money from a person that's from one of our enemy countries.

Hsu is from an enemy country now, too?

Man, you better tell all the bankers that need-to-know information. Get your message out, because that "enemy country" is legally buying nearly half of every American mortgage debt and rising.

[DarkReign]

Man, we got alot of people to kill and little time to do so.

Hail Bush!

[DarkReign]

Im wrong everyday, all the time. Shit happens.

Its the holier than thou, know-it-alls you have to worry about.

[xrayzebra]

Hsu is from an enemy country now, too?

Man, you better tell all the bankers that need-to-know information. Get your message out, because that "enemy country" is legally buying nearly half of every American mortgage debt and rising.

Hey, if they own it, they wont try destroying it.
Will they?

Kinda reminds me of Japan in the 70's. And
everyone was crying then the Japs were taking
over the U.S.

[WHOTTABITCH]

Is taking money from a foreign entity while president illegal?

[xrayzebra]

Is taking money from a foreign entity while president illegal?



Not according to the dimm-o-craps.

[WHOTTABITCH]

I mean AG just fired a handfull of DA's, it wasn't like it was 99 of them.

The Patriot Act hasn't violated anyone's known rigths just yet, and there hasn't been many issues of this brought to court.

Valeria Plame was already outed before Novak wrote his column. And it was only one supposed spy.


I mean it's not like there wasn't any effort in the republican backed congress to eliminate the trade deficit with china, and President bill clinton couldn't have been bribed about it.

but it was only 850,000 dollars, they should have sent in some hard to trace amount that would have been so covert, like 300 billion dollars!

[xrayzebra]

.


President bill clinton couldn't have been bribed about it.



You mean when Clinton made it possible for
China to get a guidance system for their
rockets. Nawh, Clinton is to up right a person
to allow that......ooops but he did.

[WHOTTABITCH]

You mean when Clinton made it possible for
China to get a guidance system for their
rockets. Nawh, Clinton is to up right a person
to allow that......ooops but he did.


but according to chumpdumper the expert on military technology, we gave them the equivalent to spears and bayonetts.

[ChumpDumper]

but according to chumpdumper the expert on military technology, we gave them the equivalent to spears and bayonetts.link?

[xrayzebra]

Link:

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/05/29newsa.html

[WHOTTABITCH]

link?


You know what you said.
That was argued what two years ago.

Go link your foggy brain.

[ChumpDumper]

You know what you said.
That was argued what two years ago.Then it will be easy for you to find.

Link it.

[WHOTTABITCH]

Then it will be easy for you to find.

Link it.

850,000 dollars from a foreign entity, don't change the subject CHump, that's flakey.

Go link yourself. I wont do it for you.

[clambake]

850,000 dollars from a foreign entity, don't change the subject CHump, that's flakey.

Go link yourself. I wont do it for you.
Oh, I get it. Hillary

How much money do we owe China for this war in Iraq?

[ChumpDumper]

850,000 dollars from a foreign entity, don't change the subject CHump, that's flakey.

Go link yourself. I wont do it for you.1) How can I be changing the subject ? -- you brought it up.

2) I don't remember saying anything of the sort, so I think you're just making it up like you have done before. You're going to have to prove it.

[WHOTTABITCH]

Oh, I get it. Hillary

How much money do we owe China for this war in Iraq?


THe chineese invest here regardless of war or not, what does that have to do with anything bearded-clambake.

[WHOTTABITCH]

1) How can I be changing the subject ? -- you brought it up.

2) I don't remember saying anything of the sort, so I think you're just making it up like you have done before. You're going to have to prove it.


So when we did argue about missile technology back then and you were defending clinton, what did you say?

[ChumpDumper]

So when we did argue about missile technology back then and you were defending clinton, what did you say?You apparently remember everything about this, so it will be easy for you to find it.

[clambake]

THe chineese invest here regardless of war or not, what does that have to do with anything bearded-clambake.
Everyone should invest, but that's not what happened here.

Bush went begging.

Even you should be able to tell the difference.

[WHOTTABITCH]

You apparently remember everything about this, so it will be easy for you to find it.


you could have done it yourself. while begging me to search for it.

[WHOTTABITCH]

Everyone should invest, but that's not what happened here.

Bush went begging.

Even you should be able to tell the difference.


You mean bush went begging for loans, as dumb as bush was it he did. You could also beg the mafia for loans to help you buy a flatscreen.

That doesn't mean the mafia bribed you to buy a flatscreen.

I thought you'd know the difference between a loan and a bribe, beardedclambake.

[clambake]

You mean bush went begging for loans, as dumb as bush was it he did. You could also beg the mafia for loans to help you buy a flatscreen.

That doesn't mean the mafia bribed you to buy a flatscreen.

I thought you'd know the difference between a loan and a bribe, beardedclambake.
Fascinating. Tell me about the bribe.

[WHOTTABITCH]

Fascinating. Tell me about the bribe.


scroll up.

[clambake]

scroll up.
Nothing to tell?

[WHOTTABITCH]

Nothing to tell?

you need comprehension skills along with reading dipshit.

Taking money from a foreign entity is considered to be a bribe.

[clambake]

Taking money from a foreign entity is considered to be a bribe.
You said it, not me.

The thing I like about Whottt is his desire to cut all the bullshit and go directly to the end of civilization.

[WHOTTABITCH]

You said it, not me.

The thing I like about Whottt is his desire to cut all the bullshit and go directly to the end of civilization.


i think the same way, only in babysteps, starting with bearded clambake.

[ChumpDumper]

you could have done it yourself. while begging me to search for it.Actually I am asking you to prove yourself.

If you are lying and can't prove your contention, just say so.

[WHOTTABITCH]

Actually I am asking you to prove yourself.

If you are lying and can't prove your contention, just say so.


if i'm lying, all you have to do is provide a link disproving my accusation.

[ChumpDumper]

if i'm lying, all you have to do is provide a link disproving my accusation.Prove a negative? :lol

If you're not lying, all you have to do is provide a link proving your accusation.

[xrayzebra]

Prove a negative? :lol

If you're not lying, all you have to do is provide a link proving your accusation.

Did you look at the link I provided. Thought not, you
discuss like a teenager. Or should I say disgust. You and
clambake. The Clintons have been mixed up with
Chinese for so many years it is pitiful.


They have taken money from so many crooks for
favors given back. How about Rich and Billarys
brother selling favors. Of course she was shocked,
shocked, do you hear. Rich wife gave him a little
head and about two million dollars or somewhere
thereabout for his library and got a pardon for her
husband. All the Chinese disappeared back to
China or whatever so they wouldn't or couldn't
testify about their "donations". Give me a freakin
break. And you want a link I will give you one,
google it.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Prove a negative?

prove that there were no WMDs, or an AQ-Saddam link. You can't totally disprove those things, so the war must be justified. Great argument, Yoni.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Did you look at the link I provided. Thought not, you
discuss like a teenager. Or should I say disgust. You and
clambake. The Clintons have been mixed up with
Chinese for so many years it is pitiful.


They have taken money from so many crooks for
favors given back. How about Rich and Billarys
brother selling favors. Of course she was shocked,
shocked, do you hear. Rich wife gave him a little
head and about two million dollars or somewhere
thereabout for his library and got a pardon for her
husband. All the Chinese disappeared back to
China or whatever so they wouldn't or couldn't
testify about their "donations". Give me a freakin
break. And you want a link I will give you one,
google it.

Why would the Chinese run and hide ray? That would mean that they have somehting to hide. What are they trying to hide? The reason I ask is because you sure throw those accusations around but have yet to provide 1 piece of evidence that the clintons have done anything wrong in regards to anything.


Let me guess your repsonse. " Prove they haven't done anything wrong because it's not my job"..

[xrayzebra]

Why would the Chinese run and hide ray? That would mean that they have somehting to hide. What are they trying to hide? The reason I ask is because you sure throw those accusations around but have yet to provide 1 piece of evidence that the clintons have done anything wrong in regards to anything.


Let me guess your repsonse. " Prove they haven't done anything wrong because it's not my job"..

If I didn't know you knew better I would tell you to live
in ignorance. But you do know better. So I will leave
it at that. Prove they did anything wrong. You know
they have and will continue to do so. You give them
a pass I wont. But it shows how you look at things. You
live with it, I don't have to.

[Switchman]

50. Because I'm tired of working hard and my fellow man having to painfully lay on his couch all day because he does not have enough money to eat and provide himself with enough energy to apply for a job. How much longer must we work while others suffer...

Socialism FTW!

[xrayzebra]

50. Because I'm tired of working hard and my fellow man having to lay on his couch all day because he does not have enough money to eat and provide himself with enough energy to apply for a job. How much longer must we work while others suffer...

Socialism FTW!

You are so cruel. You want these poor souls to actually
go to work. Or at least try.

SA210 where are you when we need you. You could
sit this person Switchman straight.

[ChumpDumper]

Did you look at the link I provided.I write for Salon now? :lol

I was asking for a link to what I posted.

[xrayzebra]

^^Do what? Two beers and you talk funny! You ask me
for a link to something you posted?

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't ask you for anything.

I asked gtown for a link to what he claimed I posted.

[xrayzebra]

I didn't ask you for anything.

I asked gtown for a link to what he claimed I posted.

Never mind, I stand corrected.

[WHOTTABITCH]

Prove a negative? :lol

If you're not lying, all you have to do is provide a link proving your accusation.

You could look it up yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

You're the one with something to prove.

[Fat boy]

Never mind, I stand corrected.


Something Bush and Chump will never say

[ChumpDumper]

I just did yesterday. You guys aren't very quick on the draw.

[Holt's Cat]

50. Because I'm tired of working hard and my fellow man having to painfully lay on his couch all day because he does not have enough money to eat and provide himself with enough energy to apply for a job. How much longer must we work while others suffer...

Socialism FTW!


I too, am tired of working hard and then being taxed to enrich the management and fellow shareholders of companies through subsidies, inflated contracts, changing the leadership of a state through invasion, etc... who would rather not work hard and compete in the marketplace outright.

Capitalism. Maybe one day we'll try it.

[Yonivore]

You should google me.
Pervert.

[xrayzebra]

I too, am tired of working hard and then being taxed to enrich the management and fellow shareholders of companies through subsidies, inflated contracts, changing the leadership of a state through invasion, etc... who would rather not work hard and compete in the marketplace outright.

Capitalism. Maybe one day we'll try it.

Then maybe you should talk to all you liberal friends along
with the Republican politico's who write the tax codes.

And you could start right here in San Antonio with your
city council and their give aways to all kinds. Quest and
Microsoft being at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Holt's Cat]

Then maybe you should talk to all you liberal friends along
with the Republican politico's who write the tax codes.

And you could start right here in San Antonio with your
city council and their give aways to all kinds. Quest and
Microsoft being at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Dumbass, I'm not a liberal.

[xrayzebra]

Dumbass, I'm not a liberal.

You talk like one. And act like one. So you must be one.

[Holt's Cat]

Let's see, I'm a "liberal" because I do not believe the federal government should intervene in the economy, instead preferring to have a free and open marketplace with low taxes, no stiffling regulations, sound money, and free trade with all. Yeah.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Dumbass, I'm not a liberal.


You have to undertsand something about ray. He's a ' black or white with no grey area' type of person. When bush made the following comment " Y'er either with us or against us", he was talking to the ray / Yoni types. Of course no one knew at the time Bush was also talking to Democrats when he made that statement.

[xrayzebra]

You have to undertsand something about ray. He's a ' black or white with no grey area' type of person. When bush made the following comment " Y'er either with us or against us", he was talking to the ray / Yoni types. Of course no one knew at the time Bush was also talking to Democrats when he made that statement.

You bet you sweet rear end He was. And I hope he still
means it. And yeah he was talking to all Americans. And
I think that has been proven here on this forum. Soo
GGA, are you with us or against us......It is your
choice.

[ChumpDumper]

I am very much against stupid decisions made by stupid people. If you feel compelled to kiss the ass of an idiot because he has a government job, that's your thing -- not mine.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You bet you sweet rear end He was. And I hope he still
means it. And yeah he was talking to all Americans. And
I think that has been proven here on this forum. Soo
GGA, are you with us or against us......It is your
choice.


I'm with 'us' ray!! Just against the unecessary war.. I'm against scarificing US blood for nothing.. little stuuf like that I'm against..

[xrayzebra]

GGA, can you really say that the blood of our US troops has been
for nothing. I don't think so. Can you in all honesty say that
when the head cheese, OBL, himself says that Iraq is the battle
to be won.

[ChumpDumper]

Wouldn't it be better if we had actually kept going after Osama and Zawahiri?

The head cheeses?

[George Gervin's Afro]

GGA, can you really say that the blood of our US troops has been
for nothing. I don't think so. Can you in all honesty say that
when the head cheese, OBL, himself says that Iraq is the battle
to be won.



US surge has failed - Iraqi poll

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6983841.stm

US surge has failed - Iraqi poll
About 70% of Iraqis believe security has deteriorated in the area covered by the US military "surge" of the past six months, an opinion poll suggests.
The survey by the BBC, ABC News and NHK of more than 2,000 people across Iraq also suggests that nearly 60% see attacks on US-led forces as justified.

This rises to 93% among Sunni Muslims compared to 50% for Shia.

The findings come as the top US commander in Iraq, Gen David Petraeus, prepares to address Congress.


He and US Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker are due to testify about the effects of the surge and the current situation in Iraq.

The poll suggests that the overall mood in Iraq is as negative as it has been since the US-led invasion in 2003, says BBC world affairs correspondent Nick Childs.

The poll was conducted in more than 450 neighbourhoods across all 18 provinces of Iraq in August, and has a margin of error of + or - 2.5%.

It was commissioned jointly by the BBC, ABC and Japan's NHK.



It is the fourth such poll in which BBC News has been involved, with previous ones conducted in February 2004, November 2005 and February 2007.



It was commissioned with the specific purpose of assessing the effects of the surge as well as tracking longer term trends in Iraq.

Between 67% and 70% of the Iraqis polled believe the surge has hampered conditions for political dialogue, reconstruction and economic development, according to the August 2007 findings.


Only 29% think things will get better in the next year, compared to 64% two years ago.

The number of people wanting coalition forces to leave immediately rose since February's poll but more than half - 53% - still said they should stay until security improved.

The survey reveals two great divides, our correspondent notes.

First, there is the one between relative optimism registered in November 2005 and the gloom of this year's two polls.

In between, there was the deadly bombing of the Shia mosque in Samarra, which unleashed a bitter and deadly sectarianism.

The other great divide is the one now revealed between the Sunni and Shia communities.

While 88% of Sunnis say things are going badly in their lives, 54% of Shia think they are going well.


Dr Toby Dodge, who was involved in running the poll, pointed to the fact that so many Iraqis saw no improvement to their safety since the US deployed an extra 30,000 troops this year, bringing their number up to nearly 170,000.


"I think that's a damning critique and an indication of the pessimism and the violence on the ground," he told the BBC's Radio Five Live.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki insisted on Monday that the surge had had a positive effect in the capital, Baghdad, at least.

Violence had dropped 75%, he told the Iraqi parliament, without giving figures.

At the same time, he warned that Iraqi forces were not ready to take over security from the US military which had, he said, "helped... in a great way in fighting terrorism".


Uh oh ray..maybe they don't like us fighting for 'our' freedom in their country.

[Holt's Cat]

Wouldn't it be better if we had actually kept going after Osama and Zawahiri?

The head cheeses?

Hmmm...it sounds like the approach you would expect the government to take when it's spending $40 billion a month on the "War on Terror."

[xrayzebra]

Uh oh ray..maybe they don't like us fighting for 'our' freedom in their country.

And how do you come to this conclusion?

[fyatuk]

The guy did manage to get upwards of 85% of thre population out of the city. I know you probably would have criticized him if he had gotten only 98% out but this argument is , not only, disengenous it is dishonest. If were to take names and pilitical affiliations out of this equation I believe that most people would commend a mayor for being responsible of getting 85%+ of his city out of harms way. he did tell those people to leave and gave them an opportunity to call for a ride.Logistically I can't see how he or anyone could accomplish what the Republicans who have accused him of not doing. I am going to assume that there were other bus yards full however to take away and stain from the feds it is easy to play the 20/20 hindsight game and blame a Democrat...

Of course today Democrats are being accused of many things including playing the 20/20 hindsight game with the mess in Iraq... The Yoni's of the world accuse Dems of playing the armchair general when it comes to Iraq but it's ok for the same people to play armchair mayor's so they can blame a Dem..... hypocrisy is in the air....

From what I've heard, most of the blame should be placed on Blanco and Chertoff. Blanco actually seriously hindered and delayed Federal authorities by not giving the legally required approvals in a timely manner.

Nagin's an idiot, but he did a respectable job evacuating and getting people into shelters.

[George Gervin's Afro]

And how do you come to this conclusion?


Do you honestly believe that the Iraqis are happy that we chose their country as the front line of our war on terror? I mean we told them we were liberating them and now you tell me we are fighting for our freedom in Iraq..

[George Gervin's Afro]

From what I've heard, most of the blame should be placed on Blanco and Chertoff. Blanco actually seriously hindered and delayed Federal authorities by not giving the legally required approvals in a timely manner.

Nagin's an idiot, but he did a respectable job evacuating and getting people into shelters.


Nagin is an idiot. I agree Blanco was as much to blame as the fed govt.

[xrayzebra]

Do you honestly believe that the Iraqis are happy that we chose their country as the front line of our war on terror? I mean we told them we were liberating them and now you tell me we are fighting for our freedom in Iraq..

GGA, I don't think the people had a lot of choice in the
matter. I know that is a shame, but it is the truth. Saddam,
had a choice to get out of the country, if you remember,
If I remember correctly, we even found a country that
would accept him. I don't ever recall that we said we were
going to liberate them. I remember it as we were going
to take Saddam out of power. It really doesn't matter
one way or the other, we are there and what is, is what is.

What does matter is that we now have a good portion of'
the people on our side and working with us.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't ever recall that we said we were
going to liberate them.
We have come not to conquer, but to liberate people
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/

[xrayzebra]

http://www.cpa-iraq.org/


Your point being?

[mavs>spurs2]

GGA, I don't think the people had a lot of choice in the
matter. I know that is a shame, but it is the truth. Saddam,
had a choice to get out of the country, if you remember,
If I remember correctly, we even found a country that
would accept him. I don't ever recall that we said we were
going to liberate them. I remember it as we were going
to take Saddam out of power. It really doesn't matter
one way or the other, we are there and what is, is what is.

What does matter is that we now have a good portion of'
the people on our side and working with us.

Are you fucking kidding me? Bush stated this numerous times...where have you been

[ChumpDumper]

Your point being?Your recollection sucks ass.

[xrayzebra]

Are you fucking kidding me? Bush stated this numerous times...where have you been

He did before the start of the invasion? I thought it was
UN Resolutions 1441.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1441


On 12 September 2002, President Bush spoke before the General Assembly of the United Nations and outlined a catalogue of complaints against the Iraqi government.[1] These included:

* "In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373, Iraq continues to shelter and support terrorist organization that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments....And al-Qaida terrorists escaped from Afghanistan are known to be in Iraq."
* U.N. Commission on Human Rights found "extremely grave" human rights violations in 2001.
* Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction (biological weapons, chemical weapons, and long-range missiles), all in violation of U.N. resolutions.
* Iraq used proceeds from the "oil for food" U.N. program to purchase weapons rather than food for its people.
* Iraq flagrantly violated the terms of the weapons inspection program before discontinuing it altogether.

Following the speech, intensive negotiations began with other members of the Security Council. In particular, three permanent members (with veto power) of the Council were known to have objections to an invasion of Iraq: Russia, People's Republic of China, and France.

On 26 September 2002, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld accused Iraq of harboring al Qaeda terrorists and aiding their quest for weapons of mass destruction.[citation needed]

In the meantime, Iraq, while denying all charges, announced that it would permit the re-entry of United Nations arms inspectors into Iraq. The United States characterized this as a ploy by Iraq and continued to call for a Security Council resolution which would authorize the use of military force.[citation needed]

The resolution text was drafted jointly by the United States and the UK, the result of eight weeks of tumultuous negotiations, particularly with Russia and France. France questioned the phrase "serious consequences" and stated repeatedly that any "material breach" found by the inspectors should not automatically lead to war; instead the UN should pass another resolution deciding on the course of action. In favour of this view is the fact that previous resolutions legitimizing war under Chapter VII used much stronger terms, like "…all necessary means…" in Resolution 678 in 1990 and that Resolution 1441 stated that the Security Council shall "remain seized of the matter." Supporters of the US Administration have argued, however, that France's declaration of intent to veto any military action in Iraq effectively prevented the Security Council from remaining seized of the matter since at that point it could take no action to enforce the standing Resolutions.

[ChumpDumper]

He did before the start of the invasion?"We are ready. We're prepared. And should the United States be compelled to act, our troops will be acting in the finest traditions of America. Should we be forced to act, should Saddam Hussein seals his fate by refusing to disarm, by ignoring the opinion of the world, you'll be fighting not to conquer anybody, but to liberate people."

-- George W. Bush addressing US Troops, January 3, 2003

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0301/03/se.01.html

[clambake]

thats a pretty nasty burn you've got there, ray!

[mavs>spurs2]

"We are ready. We're prepared. And should the United States be compelled to act, our troops will be acting in the finest traditions of America. Should we be forced to act, should Saddam Hussein seals his fate by refusing to disarm, by ignoring the opinion of the world, you'll be fighting not to conquer anybody, but to liberate people."

-- George W. Bush addressing US Troops, January 3, 2003

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0301/03/se.01.html

Chump how do you find this shit so quick?

I remember hearing him say it countless times, but couldn't find it in writing

[ChumpDumper]

Just googled Bush liberate Iraq and refined a little once I saw a quote.