Dubya To Withdrawal 30,000 Troops from Iraq...

[Nbadan]

...and into Iran.

U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan


WASHINGTON — A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime, FOX News confirmed Tuesday.


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Germany's withdrawal from the allied diplomatic offensive is the latest consensus across relevant U.S. agencies and offices, including the State Department, the National Security Council and the offices of the president and vice president. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns, the most ardent proponent of a diplomatic resolution to the problem of Iran's nuclear ambitions, has had his chance on the Iranian account and come up empty.

Political and military officers, as well as weapons of mass destruction specialists at the State Department, are now advising Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the diplomatic approach favored by Burns has failed and the administration must actively prepare for military intervention of some kind. Among those advising Rice along these lines are John Rood, the assistant secretary for the Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation; and a number of Mideast experts, including Ambassador James Jeffrey, deputy White House national security adviser under Stephen Hadley and formerly the principal deputy assistant secretary for Near Eastern affairs.

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Vice President Cheney and his aides are said to be enjoying a bit of "schadenfreude" at the expense of Burns. A source described Cheney's office as effectively gloating to Burns and Rice, "We told you so. (The Iranians) are not containable diplomatically."

Faux News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html)

Here is the Iranian area which will be occupied..


http://faphoto.com/KhuzestanProvinceAndKishIsland.JPG
Khuzestan Province where 90% of Iran's Oil Wealth is, amazing how it's just across the Iraqi border .... the rest will just be bombed back to the stone age.

[Yonivore]

...and into Iran.

U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan



Faux News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html)

Here is the Iranian area which will be occupied..


http://faphoto.com/KhuzestanProvinceAndKishIsland.JPG
Khuzestan Province where 90% of Iran's Oil Wealth is, amazing how it's just across the Iraqi border .... the rest will just be bombed back to the stone age.
Cool.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't read anything about an invasion and occupation.

[Nbadan]

Where have you been?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/plastic_turkeys/iraqtoiran.jpg

[Nbadan]

Pentagon plans base along Iran border
RAW STORY
Published: Monday September 10, 2007



The Pentagon is preparing to build a base near the Iraq-Iran border in an effort to stem the flow of "advanced Iranian weaponry" to Shiite militants in Iraq, according to Monday's edition of the Wall Street Journal. "The push also includes construction of fortified checkpoints on the major highways leading from the Iranian border to Baghdad and the installation of X-ray machines and explosives-detecting sensors at the only formal border crossing between Iran and Iraq," the Journal said.

The move comes amid continuing reports of US plans to strike Iran and several weeks after a RAW STORY report which signaled that the US had shifted its focus from Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program to its alleged shipment of IEDs across the Iraq-Iran border as the principal rationale in selling a possible attack.

“There is clear evidence that someone in Iran is manufacturing the EFPs,” a source currently working with military and intelligence joint operations in the Middle East told RAW STORY. “They have a distinctive signature. These devices are being used against US troops, Sunnis, and even some Shi'as.”

“This is viewed by some in the Bush Administration as sufficient justification for taking military action against Iran,” said the source, who wished to remain anonymous due to the sensitive nature of the topic.

Rawstory (http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Pentagon_plans_base_alon...)

[ChumpDumper]

Is that a Fox News graphic? They said nothing in the article about an occupation. Your title is purposely deceptive.

[Yonivore]

Why would we be going to that little deserted area under the "I" in Iran?

Shouldn't the arrows point to places of strategic significance? You need to bitch-slap your cartographer.

[Nbadan]

I already showed you the part of Iran they are planning to occupy and it doesn't require a whole sleuth of new U.S combat troops,...the plan is simple...take the oil...take the mullah money....take the mullah money....take the mullah women...take the mullah women...ughhhh...you get the picture....

[Holt's Cat]

If the news is "faux" what's the concern?

[ChumpDumper]

I already showed you the part of Iran they are planning to occupyActually I saw a crude MS Paint style jpeg that is hosted on some photographer's site in San Diego.
and it doesn't require a whole sleuth of new U.S combat troopsOccupation of a hostile nation? Yes it would require a "sleuth" of new troops.
he plan is simple...take the oilYou think they'll be able to get it all in a week? That's about how long they would be able to stay.

[Holt's Cat]

Anyways, Iraq I could see as some kind of gung-ho 'take the bastard out while we have the chance' kind of decision. Iran would be colossally stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

At best we would try to cut the head off the snake and bomb the Iranian leadership, but occupying any of Iran at this point is a nonstarter.

[Nbadan]

You think they are gonna bomb Iran and not take the oil? What world do you live in?

[Holt's Cat]

At best we would try to cut the head off the snake and bomb the Iranian leadership, but occupying any of Iran at this point is a nonstarter.

Iran is one of the most promising nations of the ME to change from within. No use in giving the leadership any help to change that.

[Holt's Cat]

Have we even managed to procure Iraq's energy reserves?

[clambake]

You think they are gonna bomb Iran and not take the oil? What world do you live in?
so, were going to invade iran and take the oil while the world sits and watches?

will this be before cheney resigns, which by an earlier calculation has him resigning in about a week?

[Nbadan]

Have we even managed to procure Iraq's energy reserves?


Well, yeah, but don't tell the Iraqis....

[ChumpDumper]

Iran is one of the most promising nations of the ME to change from within. No use in giving the leadership any help to change that.I'm not advocating it, but I could see Bush approving such a scheme.

[ChumpDumper]

You think they are gonna bomb Iran and not take the oil? What world do you live in?The world where our military is consumed with and by Iraq.

[Nbadan]

so, were going to invade iran and take the oil while the world sits and watches?

Nope, in fact, India, China and the USSR have a plan...

[clambake]

I'm not advocating it, but I could see Bush approving such a scheme.
you could see us occupying irans oil fields?

[Nbadan]

The world where our military is consumed with and by Iraq.

What's another 30,000-50,000 private troops costs? What kind of money would Iranian oil fields bring in?

[ChumpDumper]

you could see us occupying irans oil fields?Not without a draft.

[clambake]

Not without a draft.
yeah, and possibly a nuclear umbrella.

[ChumpDumper]

What's another 30,000-50,000 private troops costs?:lmao Are there even that many mercenaries available?
What kind of money would Iranian oil fields bring in?You mean after we rebuild all the infrastructure after the Iranians sabotage it then send human wave attacks against anyone trying to rebuild it?

If occupying a country is as easy as you say it is, I would probably be a neocon.

[Nbadan]

Are there even that many mercenaries available?

There are 150,000 already sitting on their hands in Iraq...

[clambake]

I'll bet the troops would like a lottery system to determine who gets to withdraw.

[Nbadan]

You mean after we rebuild all the infrastructure after the Iranians sabotage it then send human wave attacks against anyone trying to rebuild it?

Common Chumpy, you know the best laid plans are never good enough to the unpredictability of war...I'm just helping you see the rosey picture that the Neocons see to leading a invasion of Iran...without carefully debating the consequences...

[clambake]

Common Chumpy, you know the best laid plans are never good enough to the unpredictability of war...I'm just helping you see the rosey picture that the Neocons see to leading a invasion of Iran...without carefully debating the consequences...
good point

step 1: go beg china for more money

[ChumpDumper]

Common Chumpy, you know the best laid plans are never good enough to the unpredictability of war...I'm just helping you see the rosey picture that the Neocons see to leading a invasion of Iran...without carefully debating the consequences...Bush: I'm going to occupy the richest part of your country.

Ahmadinejad: You and what army?

Bush: You win this round, Mahmoud.

[Wild Cobra]

Some of you don't realize we have and constantly update plans to attack every possible threatening nation!

The news reports don't mean shit except to the ignorant.

[ChumpDumper]

Some of you don't realize we have and constantly update plans to attack every possible threatening nation!

The news reports don't mean shit except to the ignorant.
Political and military officers, as well as weapons of mass destruction specialists at the State Department, are now advising Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the diplomatic approach favored by Burns has failed and the administration must actively prepare for military intervention of some kind.If true, this is different from some junior officers tweaking an Op Plan. This is implementation.

[Holt's Cat]

If true, that's one hell of a present His Majesty is giving his successor. Of course, that's assuming there will be a successor.

[DarkReign]

If true, that's one hell of a present His Majesty is giving his successor. Of course, that's assuming there will be a successor.

QFT

My faith in humanity is at an all-time low, invading Iran would be the straw that broke the camel's back (for me).

If the American people supported such a move, then we deserve any reprecussions from such a venture.

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what third world country you can invade for your country.

[Holt's Cat]

Sometimes you raise. Sometimes you fold. I think the answer here is obvious.

[xrayzebra]

Nope, in fact, India, China and the USSR have a plan...

Every country with any decent standing army has
a plan for war with any given country. What is
new about that.

[boutons_]

The "Proxy War": UK Troops Are Sent to Iranian Border

By Kim Sengupta
The Independent UK Wednesday 12 September 2007

British soldiers return to action as tensions between US and Iran grow.

British forces have been sent from Basra to the volatile border with Iran amid warnings from the senior US commander in Iraq that Tehran is fomenting a "proxy war."

In signs of a fast-developing confrontation, the Iranians have threatened military action in response to attacks launched from Iraqi territory while the Pentagon has announced the building of a US base and fortified checkpoints at the frontier.

The UK operation, in which up to 350 troops are involved, has come at the request of the Americans, who say that elements close to the Iranian regime have stepped up supplies of weapons to Shia militias in recent weeks in preparation for attacks inside Iraq.

The deployment came within a week of British forces leaving Basra Palace, their last remaining base inside Basra city, and withdrawing to the airport for a widely expected final departure from Iraq. Brigadier James Bashall, commander of 1 Mechanised Brigade, based at Basra said: "We have been asked to help at the Iranian border to stop the flow of weapons and I am willing to do so. We know the points of entry and I am sure we can do what needs to be done. The US forces are, as we know, engaged in the 'surge' and the border is of particular concern to them."

The mission will include the King's Royal Hussars battle group, 250 of whom were told at the weekend that they would be returning to the UK as part of a drawdown of forces in Iraq.

The operation is regarded as a high-risk strategy which could lead to clashes with Iranian-backed Shia militias or even Iranian forces and also leaves open the possibility of Iranian retaliation in the form of attacks against British forces at the Basra air base or inciting violence to draw them back into Basra city. Relations between the two countries are already fraught after the Iranian Revolutionary Guards seized a British naval party in the Gulf earlier this year.

The move came as General David Petraeus, the US commander in Iraq, and Ryan Crocker, the US ambassador to Iraq, made some of the strongest accusations yet by US officials about Iranian activity. General Petraeus spoke on Monday of a "proxy war" in Iraq, while Mr Crocker accused the Iranian government of "providing lethal capabilities to the enemies of the Iraqi state."

In an interview after his appearance before a congressional panel on Monday, General Petraeus strongly implied that it would soon be necessary to obtain authorisation to take action against Iran within its own borders, rather than just inside Iraq. "There is a pretty hard look ongoing at that particular situation" he said.

The Royal Welsh battle group, with Challenger tanks and Warrior armoured vehicles, is conducting out regular exercises at the Basra air base in preparation for any re-entry into the city. No formal handover of Basra to the Iraqi government has yet taken place and the UK remains responsible for maintaining security in the region.

The Iraqi commander in charge of the southern part of the country, General Mohan al-Furayji, said he would not hesitate to call for British help if there was an emergency.

While previous US military action has been primarily directed against Sunni insurgents, it is Shia fighters, which the US accuses Iran of backing, who now account for 80 per cent of US casualties.

For the British military the move to the border is a change of policy. They had stopped patrols along the long border at Maysan despite US concerns at the time that the area would become a conduit for weapons into Iraq.

The decision to return to the frontier has been heavily influenced by the highly charged and very public dispute with the United States. British commanders feel that they cannot turn down the fresh American request for help after refusing to delay the withdrawal from Basra Palace. They also maintain that the operation will stop Iranian arms entering Basra.

Brigadier Bashall said: "We are not sitting here idly at the air bridge. The security of Basra is still our responsibility and we shall act where necessary. We are also prepared to restore order in Basra City if asked to do so."

The US decision to build fortifications at the Iranian border, after four years of presence in Iraq, shows, say American commanders, that the "Iranian threat" is now one of their main concerns.

Maj-Gen Rick Lynch, commander of the US Army's 3rd Infantry Division, said 48 Iranian-supplied roadside bombs had been used against his forces killing nine soldiers. "We've got a major problem with Iranian munitions streaming into Iraq. This Iranian interference is troubling and we have to stop it," he told The Wall Street Journal this week.

Meanwhile at a conference in Baghdad on regional co-operation, Iran claimed the US was supporting groups mounting attacks from Iraqi territory in the Kurdish north.

Said Jalili, Iran's deputy foreign minister, last night said: "I think [the US and its allies] are going to prevaricate with the truth because they know they have been defeated in Iraq and they have not been successful. And so they are going to put the blame on us, on the other side."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2953462.ece

[Nbadan]

WASHINGTON, September 13 (RIA Novosti) - The U.S. has a 14-ton super bomb more destructive than the vacuum bomb just tested by Russia, a U.S. general said Wednesday.

The statement was made by retired Lt. General McInerney, chairman of the Iran Policy Committee, and former Assistant Vice Chief of Staff of the Air Force.

McInerney said the U.S. has "a new massive ordnance penetrator that's 30,000 pounds, that really penetrates ... Ahmadinejad has nothing in Iran that we can't penetrate."

He also said the new Russian bomb was not a "penetrator."

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On Tuesday, the Fox News television channel said: "A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime.".

Commenting on the report, McInerney said: "Since Germany has backed out of helping economically, we do not have any other choice. ... They've forced us into the military option."

McInerney described some possible military campaign scenarios and said: "The one I favor the most, of course, is an air campaign," he continued.

He said that bombing would be launched by 65-70 stealth bombers and 400 bombers of other types.

"Forty-eight hours duration, hitting 2500 aimed points to take out their nuclear facilities, their air defense facilities, their air force, their navy, their Shahab-3 retaliatory missiles, and finally their command and control. And then let the Iranian people take their country back," the general said describing the campaign, adding it would be "easy."

Link (http://en.rian.ru/world/20070913/78518873.html)

Yeah, just like the popular uprising they tried to instigate after the fall of Saddam...