France x Russia

[Spurs Brazil]

France up 21-18 with 1:19 to go in the 1st quarter

TP has 7pts but 2PF

[Spurs Brazil]

France up 23-21 after one

[Spurs Brazil]

With TP on the bench Russia up 27-26 now

Diaw should play better when TP is not in the game

[Spurs Brazil]

Morgunov is a very good player for Russia

[Spurs Brazil]

France up 42-39 at the half

TP with 7pts and 2PF

Kirilenko is playing bad in a big game again

[Medvedenko]

I heard Turiaf dunked on AK47...anyone can verify this it would be appreciated.

[stéphane]

I heard Turiaf dunked on AK47...anyone can verify this it would be appreciated.

well not really on but a really good dunk by Ronny who went right between 2 russians (including AK) for a monster slam

[Spurs Brazil]

I heard Turiaf dunked on AK47...anyone can verify this it would be appreciated.

It was a monster dunk, he faked at the top of the key and then slam very hard, but there were some Russia players there, including AK47

[Medvedenko]

Sweet,thanks guys...who's winning the game...

[ploto]

FRA 61
RUS 60

4th quarter
6:00 to go

AK playing poorly on the offensive end but he has 6 rebounds, 7 steals, 3 assists, and 4 blocks.

[ploto]

AK fouls out--
RUS 64
FRA 64

3:24 to go

RUS for 3-- 67-64
3:00 to go

offensive foul on France

basket RUS

69-64 RUS

France misses the 3

[Switchman]

France was the underdog right?

[ploto]

Diaw scores 69-66

turnover RUS

TP for 3! Tied game

[Spurs Brazil]

TP 3333333333333 tie the game at 69 with 1:25 to go

[ploto]

Foul on TP-- no free throws

1:17 to go

[ploto]

offensive foul on RUS

awful possession by FRA

RUS rebound

foul on France

FT for RUS

[ploto]

69-69 :24 to go
Holden to the line

RUS 71
FRA 69

[ploto]

RUS fouls Diaw

2 FT
:15 to go

miss-
miss

RUS 71
FRA 69

[timvp]

Thanks for updates :)

[Drive Like Jehu]

Are they fouling on purpose (I know that is a difference between American and Euro basketball)?

[ploto]

RUS to the line
-miss
-miss


RUS 71
FRA 69
:11 to go

[ploto]

TP fouled
to the line

make
miss!!

71-70

[ploto]

TP misses the game-tying FT for the second time this tournament

[ploto]

RUS rebound

RUS FT

make make
73-70

TP fouled
:2 to go

[ploto]

make
intentional miss-- did not hit the rim!!

RUS ball

RUS 73
FRA 71

:2 to go

[stéphane]

very sad showing for the french team, we are very very far from the level of espana, lithuania, greece or argentina...
:(

[ploto]

more FT's for RUS
make
make

:1 to go

RUS 75
FRA 71
FINAL

[ginobili fan]

TP choked again

[stéphane]

TP choked again

yeah sure missed one ^^ Diaw shined for sure with his 2 miss just before...

[ginobili fan]

TP was strange he wasn't agressive, he played like he's hurted, he sucks

[Admidave50]

sorry but i'm so pissed off! TP is fucking not clutch!!!

[stéphane]

TP choked again

and STFU btw because w/o his huge 3 with 1.26 to go we wouldn't have had a chance.

[Admidave50]

Who is the next opponent of France?

[Hoop]

TP fucked again damm!! F***** Russians in semifinals...

[stéphane]

sorry but i'm so pissed off! TP is fucking not clutch!!!

wake up you know we didn't loose that game in the end. We didn't deserve to win to begin with. We can't move the ball we dont have any interior offense and we defend 1/2 of the game. No way we belong in a euro semi final playing like that.

[ginobili fan]

Diaw was good overall during this game we cannot reproach him, he sucks at FT and at shooting
We can blame the coach and Tp for not being there like usual
(fortunately he made a 3 to even the score...)

[Admidave50]

wake up you know we didn't loose that game in the end. We didn't deserve to win to begin with. We can't move the ball we dont have any interior offense and we defend 1/2 of the game. No way we belong in a euro semi final playing like that.

OF course my friend, but when you lose such a close game you can only be furious! Especially when we lose it at the FT line at the end! Russia wasn't such a big threat.

It's the second time that TP missed a crucial FT in the tournament, that's why I'm pissed at him!

Hope we can qualify for Beijing!

[Admidave50]

Diaw was good overall during this game we cannot reproach him, he sucks at FT and at shooting
We can blame the coach and Tp for not being there like usual
(fortunately he made a 3 to even the score...)

Diaw had his best game of the tournament, but his 2 missed FTs killed us!

[ploto]

France outrebounded Russia by double digits but still could not pull out a win

Both teams shot awful from the line

RUS plays the winner of Lithuania/Croatia (Lithuania)
FRA plays the loser (Croatia)

[stéphane]

Diaw was good overall during this game we cannot reproach him, he sucks at FT and at shooting
We can blame the coach and Tp for not being there like usual
(fortunately he made a 3 to even the score...)

LMAO seriously? you watched the game?

[ginobili fan]

I'm sorry but TP must score at less 20 at an important game like this one.
today he didn't show anything, we could not even see emotion on his face...

[Jimmy1234]

Parker choked big time! Missed two free throws in the last 5 seconds.

[ginobili fan]

I repeat TP didn't play like a leader he sucked you have to be honest

[Spurs Brazil]

I think TP tryed to get other players involved too much, he sould have attacked more

[Bruno]

It wasn't French NT's week : rugby, Soccer and now BB.

I now hope France will lost his its last two games and don't go to Beijing pre-qualifying tournament. Playing the Olympics is nice but this team won't be close to win a medal and Parker's schedule will be too crazy :

10/01/06 - 06/14/07 : 06-07 NBA season (103 games)
5 weeks of "rest" with a big wedding
07/23/07- 09/16/07 : French NT (20 games)
2 weeks of rest
10/01/07 - let's hope mid June 08 : NBA season
1 week of rest
06/25/08 - 08/23/08 : French NT

Even for a young player, it makes too much games.
250 games in 2 years with only 8 weeks of rest is just crazy.

[ginobili fan]

Yeah it's crazy and France whiout Parker is shit.
At least with the actual team...
I really don't understand why there isn't Mike pietrus, gelabale, petro, I mean it's not like they have 2 years of preparation , it was the competition to prepare the olympics if it wasn't the best opportunity to qualify

[ginobili fan]

I think TP should concentrate only for the Spurs to win an another championship.
Stop the NT."FIBA sucks" lol

[Medvedenko]

Being a laker fan it doesn't matter what you did the first 44 minutes of game...it's crunch time that matters. Kobe has blown clutch opportunities in the past while scoring 40 + and he's deemed not clutch or a choker for missing the last shot. So, TP misses free throws...too bad....but that's why he's the superstar on the team.

[jéjé]

ginobili fan you can say that about tony . He didn't make a great game the last 2 games but before he was extraodinary . He puts 36pts against italia his record in selection . But the problem is that the french team looks tp play and didn't make anything .

I think the coach would be fired . I hope !

[ginobili fan]

ginobili fan you can say that about tony . He didn't make a great game the last 2 games but before he was extraodinary . He puts 36pts against italia his record in selection . But the problem is that the french team looks tp play and didn't make anything .

I think the coach would be fired . I hope !

Yeah my friend but you know putting 36 against Italy is a good thing but not being at his top of the game a the most important game is a bad thing...
I agree the other players don't help him much but seeing this game you have to say that TP was not really The nba finals MVP TP . I don't think he was tired because he didn't play the last quarter against the turkish

[picnroll]

It wasn't French NT's week : rugby, Soccer and now BB.

I now hope France will lost his its last two games and don't go to Beijing pre-qualifying tournament. Playing the Olympics is nice but this team won't be close to win a medal and Parker's schedule will be too crazy :

10/01/06 - 06/14/07 : 06-07 NBA season (103 games)
5 weeks of "rest" with a big wedding
07/23/07- 09/16/07 : French NT (20 games)
2 weeks of rest
10/01/07 - let's hope mid June 08 : NBA season
1 week of rest
06/25/08 - 08/23/08 : French NT

Even for a young player, it makes too much games.
250 games in 2 years with only 8 weeks of rest is just crazy.
Glad to see you coming around to the idea that Parker is playing too many games.


Particularly since the Spurs have crap for a backup PG.

[ginobili fan]

Glad to see you coming around to the idea that Parker is playing too many games.


Particularly since the Spurs have crap for a backup PG.

That's why I'm saying he must stop the NT like Tim did.
And even with TP France suck

[Bruno]

Glad to see you coming around to the idea that Parker is playing too many games.


:rolleyes
I've never said that Parker had to play with French NT.
I've just said that Spurs must respect Parker's choice.
I've too said that I would have nothing against Parker if he decided not to play with French NT.

[picnroll]

:rolleyes
I've never said that Parker had to play with French NT.
I've just said that Spurs must respect Parker's choice.
I've too said that I would have nothing against Parker if he decided not to play with French NT.
I just said it's nice to see you cominng around to the point of view and actively stated that Parker needs to cut back. Far as I know that's the first time you expressed that opinion but I could be wrong. Here's (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75040&page=4&pp=26&highlight=bruno+parker) a thread where you can show me differently.

[Bruno]

I just said it's nice to see you cominng around to the point of view and actively stated that Parker needs to cut back. Far as I know that's the first time you expressed that opinion but I could be wrong. Here's (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75040&page=4&pp=26&highlight=bruno+parker) a thread where you can show me differently.

Facts are changed with this loss : Parker will have to play more games and the goal to win an Olympic medal isn't realistic.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1899294&postcount=38


Parker has played 103 nba games this year, I wouldn't have said a word if he had decided not to play with his NT this summer.


I was saying that one month ago.
I'm just saying now that he must even more consider the rest option because of these new facts.

Parker will likely choose to play with French NT next summer if they are qualified, I don't think it will be the best choice but I will respect it.

[picnroll]

Parker is trapped. I'm guessing he's realizing this heavy play is very, very likely shortening his career and his total career earnings. Compounding this is the fact the Spurs have found nothing but crappy PGs to back him up so he needs to play heavy minutes in the regular sesaon.

[lefty]

Russia's height + FIBA ruels : less opportunities for Parker to score inside.

[waly.mg]

The most difficult thing in basketball is the end of the game

The spurs have TD and Manu for the clutch, the Cavs Lebron, the Nuggets Melo, and all the greatest teams too

Tony isn't a great clutch player, he need to improve un the clutch and to create great clutch plays, in the French NT he plays alone, he not have TD

[SuperManu!!!]

Maybe now parker will start thinking like duncan "Fiba Sucks" :lol

[ducks]

The most difficult thing in basketball is the end of the game

The spurs have TD and Manu for the clutch, the Cavs Lebron, the Nuggets Melo, and all the greatest teams too

Tony isn't a great clutch player, he need to improve un the clutch and to create great clutch plays, in the French NT he plays alone, he not have TD

waly.mg james is not clutch yet he maybe but not yet
his coach does not even want him on the line at the end of games

yeah because without duncan tp sucks :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes




manu does not need duncan with his national team because he has better players

[ducks]

The most difficult thing in basketball is the end of the game

The spurs have TD and Manu for the clutch, the Cavs Lebron, the Nuggets Melo, and all the greatest teams too

Tony isn't a great clutch player, he need to improve un the clutch and to create great clutch plays, in the French NT he plays alone, he not have TD
yeah hitting that late three really was not clutch :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[ginobili fan]

yeah hitting that late three really was not clutch :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

yeah the 3 was clutch for sure but missing the tie FT is not clutch.
Manu wouldn't have miss it.

[Admidave50]

With this crappy team and the stupid decision of the French coach to not select the best players available (Gelabale, Mike Pietrus, Petro..) makes me start to believe that it's useless for France to get a medal and TP will get tired, injured for nothing.

Even though a team composed of TP, Diaw, Diawara, Gelabale, Pietruses, Petro, Turiaf, Yohakim Noah... would make France very appealing! That's like the French dream team!

But we don't have any shooters and we suck at FT line!

[ginobili fan]

Yeah that's why I'm thinking the coach is stupid as hell because I don't see Tony Parker playing 82 games+Playoff games+NBA finals 2008( :toast )+PreOlympics+Olympics(if qualifying)!!!!!!!!!!!!! :nope This is crazy!!!
I really really can't stand it that woulb VERY VERY BAD for the Spurs !!
F**k France and the coach and F**k FIBA :lol

[Josepatches]

France has a good team.Nowitzki would be really happy if he could play with Tony's teammates instead of the players of Germany.We can't forget that Tony was the MVP of the finals because he plays in SA.He's not the best player of the NBA and he's not the best european player.He's not as great as Jordan,Wade or TD.And even Wade and Duncan had lost playing with their national team....
I'm pretty sure he will stay in the next European tournament in 2009

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

France has a good team.Nowitzki would be really happy if he could play with Tony's teammates instead of the players of Germany.We can't forget that Tony was the MVP of the finals because he plays in SA.He's not the best player of the NBA and he's not the best european player.He's not as great as Jordan,Wade or TD.And even Wade and Duncan had lost playing with their national team....
I'm pretty sure he will stay in the next European tournament in 2009

And let's not forget that TP's only 25. He had a over a very good, maybe not great tournament avg 22 ppg and 3 apg. Since he was France's best player, the opposing teams focus on Tony. If you're not getting alot of help from your teammates or coaches it's hard to sustain on your own. Remember he's just coming off a long long season with not a lot of rest in between; that may or may not have much to do with his lapses. In a lot of people's mind "right now" he may not be clutch, but I'd go to war anytime with TP on my team. He will continue to mature and develop both physically and mentally and I have a feeling if you're a fan of the opposing team, he will continue to rip your hearts out!

[picnroll]

yeah the 3 was clutch for sure but missing the tie FT is not clutch.
Manu wouldn't have miss it.
They all have their momens. Stricklands bad pass in Portland and Manu's foul on Dirk in game 7 are 1 ansd 2 or 2 and 1 as the most unclutch plays in Spurs history.

[mathbzh]

France has a good team.Nowitzki would be really happy if he could play with Tony's teammates instead of the players of Germany.We can't forget that Tony was the MVP of the finals because he plays in SA.He's not the best player of the NBA and he's not the best european player.He's not as great as Jordan,Wade or TD.And even Wade and Duncan had lost playing with their national team....
I'm pretty sure he will stay in the next European tournament in 2009

It may surprise you but I agree with you :toast

[mathbzh]

With this crappy team and the stupid decision of the French coach to not select the best players available (Gelabale, Mike Pietrus, Petro..) makes me start to believe that it's useless for France to get a medal and TP will get tired, injured for nothing.

Even though a team composed of TP, Diaw, Diawara, Gelabale, Pietruses, Petro, Turiaf, Yohakim Noah... would make France very appealing! That's like the French dream team!

But we don't have any shooters and we suck at FT line!

Do you really believe Petro is one of the best player available? In FIBA games?

[ploto]

Tony struggled last Eurobasket. He even got taken out of the starting line-up. Maybe international ball just isn't his thing.

[Bruno]

I will state the obvious but the main reasons why France has lost games is because other teams are good.
France NT has more players than other teams in nba but other teams have very good Euroleague players who are as good/better than French nba players. The loss against Russia is disappointing but you have too to give credits to Russia. Russia is a good team and it's not a big surprise to see them beating France.

I don't blame Bergeaud for not having selected Mickael Pietrus and Petro. Mickael Pietrus has been horrible in FIBA events and wouldn't have been fully focused with his contract's troubles. Petro is an headcase and isn't that good.
If I had to blame him for something, it would be for Gelabale and for having chosen Ferchaud over Morandais. Gelablae has been very good with French NT and Ferchaud hasn't the level to play an eurobasket.

I think France will be qualified for the Olympic qualifying tournament and Parker will play it (he really wants to be at the Olympic games). I hope France NT will find some answers to its troubles. A player like Tony Stanley could really help them next summer.

[mathbzh]

I agree with you Bruno.
I also wonder why he picked Sangare over Bokolo. Bokolo may not be better than Sangare but at least he had some successfull experience with the French team.
Sangare was not ready to be Parker backup.

In Japan our offense was terrible but at least we could put presure on the oponent for 40 minutes. With Pietrus, Gelabale and Bokolo out we defended half a game.

[mathbzh]

Tony struggled last Eurobasket. He even got taken out of the starting line-up. Maybe international ball just isn't his thing.

Tony was the best French player on the tournament.

[Bruno]

I agree with you Bruno.
I also wonder why he picked Sangare over Bokolo. Bokolo may not be better than Sangare but at least he had some successfull experience with the French team.
Sangare was not ready to be Parker backup.


While Bokolo is better than Sangaré, he was too very tired after his season with Le Mans followed by workouts + summer league in the US. Giving him some rest was quite logical while he wasn't really needed with Jeanneau as backup PG.

IMHO, Bergeaud should have called back Bokolo instead of Giffa after Jeanneau injury. You could too blame Bergeaud for not having put Gomis as backup PG sooner in the eurobasket.

[ducks]

yeah the 3 was clutch for sure but missing the tie FT is not clutch.
Manu wouldn't have miss it.
I suppose you would have said he would not foul in game 7 against the mavs with very few ticks left on the clock and cost the spurs the game either

[waly.mg]

Do you remember the last play before the foul. ?

If Manu doesn't madé that stupid foul, that three would be one of the biggest 3 in the Spurs history, like the Sean Elliot one or the Big shot Bob 3 vs the Pistons

[picnroll]

Do you remember the last play before the foul. ?

If Manu doesn't madé that stupid foul, that three would be one of the biggest 3 in the Spurs history, like the Sean Elliot one or the Big shot Bob 3 vs the Pistons
Yeah kind of like Parker's 3 against Russia before missing the FT, eh.

[Bruno]

http://www.lnb.fr/index.php?pid=50&id_article=11878&cursor_start=0
Parker has still decided that he will play the Olympic qualifying tournament.

Question : Will you play at the Olympic qualifying tournament if France is qualified for it ?
Tony Parker : I will play it for sure. It's not everyday that could play at the Olympic games. The Olympic qualifying tournament will be a great opportunity, even more that it will likely happen in France because France has failed to get the 2010 FIBA world championship and the 2012 Olympic games. It will be easier if we play it at home.