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mookie2001
09-14-2007, 05:43 PM
I cant see anyone explaining this blatent shit
can one even imagine what it must feel like to be a neocon at moments like these?





this is one of many online articles


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

North American Union driver's license created
Logo intended to standardize documentation across continent

Posted: September 6, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern




By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com



http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/NC4%20(2).jpg
New security logo on the reverse of North Carolina's driver's licenses

The first "North American Union" driver's license, complete with a hologram of the continent on the reverse, has been created in North Carolina.

"The North Carolina driver's license is 'North American Union' ready," charges William Gheen, (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=5) president of Americans for Legal Immigration. (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.alipac.us/index.php)

Gheen provided WND with a photo of an actual North Carolina license which clearly shows the hologram of the North American continent embedded on the reverse.

"The hologram looks exactly [like] the map of North America that is used as the background for the Security and Prosperity Partnership (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502#) of North America logo on the SPP website," Gheen told WND. "I object to the loss of sovereignty that is proceeding under the agreements being made by these unelected government bureaucrats who think we should be North American instead of the United States of America.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/SPP.gif
Security and Prosperity Partnership logo

"To protest, I don't plan on applying for a North Carolina driver's license," Gheen told WND, "even though I am a resident of the state. I don't see how a Division of Motor Vehicles authorized in a Department of Transportation of a state of the United States can force me to have a license place that is designed with a North American Union insignia printed on the backside.

"My decision not to get a North Carolina driver's license could have very difficult consequences for me," Gheen told WND. "Without a valid driver's license, I may not be able to drive a car, fly on an airplane, or enter a government building." Gheen told WND he does not have a U.S. passport.



In 2005, WND reported North Carolina was the state where illegal immigrants go to get a driver's license, (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45392) with busloads of aliens traveling south on I-95 to get an easy ID.

The Tar Heel State's requirements to obtain a license are weaker than those of many surrounding states.

Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV, affirmed to WND the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of its new driver's licenses.

"It's a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver's license in North America," Howell told WND.

Howell explained the hologram of the continent was the creation of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.aamva.org/) a tax-exempt, nonprofit organization that, according to the group's website, "develops model programs in motor vehicle administration, law enforcement (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502#) and highway safety."

Founded in 1933, AAMVA represents state and provincial officials in the United States and Canada who administer and enforce motor vehicle laws. The government of Mexico is also a member, though the individual Mexican states have yet to join.

According to the group's website, (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r,.asp?http://www.aamva.org/about/) AAMVA's programs are designed "to encourage uniformity and reciprocity among the states and provinces."

"The goal of the North American hologram," Howell explained, "is to get one common element that law enforcement throughout the continent can look at on all driver's licenses and tell that the driver's license is an official document."

Jason King, spokesman for AAMVA, affirmed the North American hologram was created by AAMVA's Uniform Identification Subcommittee, a working group of its members.

He explained the goal is to create a continental security device that could be used by state and provincial motor vehicles agencies throughout North America, including the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

King referenced a document on the AAMVA website (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.aamva.org/aamva/DocumentDisplay.aspx?id={83CB904E-5ABC-4B3E-9E11-51582EA35DDB}) that describes guidelines for using the North America continent hologram as an Optical Variable Device (OVD) that AAMVA has now licensed with private manufacturers to produce.

AAMVA supplies member motor vehicle agencies with a quantity of North American continent hologram OVD foils to use on their driver's licenses and ID cards as needed.

As the AAMVA guidelines document explains, each North American hologram OVD foil is embedded with a unique set of control numbers that permit law enforcement electronic scanners to identify the exact jurisdiction and precise individual authorized to hold a driver's license or ID card.

"AAMVA understands its unique positioning and the continuing role identification security will play in helping the general public realize a safer North America," King explained to WND in an e-mail. "The association believes ID security will help increase national security, increase highway safety, reduce fraud and system abuse, increase efficiency and effectiveness, and achieve uniformity of processes and practices."

Jim Palmer, press director for ALIPAC, told WND his group first became aware of the hologram when Missouri State Rep. Jim Guest (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.jimguest.com/) held a seminar in North Carolina to protest the Real ID law.

The surprise came at a meeting July 28 on the Real ID that Palmer held in Raleigh, N.C.

"When Rep. Guest asked participants to take out their driver's license and see what was on it," Palmer explained, "one gentleman was a state employee and on his license there was this hologram with the North American continent on the back. We were all surprised to see that on a North Carolina driver's license. Right there, that stopped the show."

Guest has formed a coalition called Legislators Against Real ID Act, or LARI. (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://legislatorsagainstrealid.com/)

"I was astonished when I saw that North American hologram on the North Carolina driver's license," Guest told WND. "I thought to myself that the state DMV has already included this North American symbol on the back of the driver's license without telling the people of North Carolina they were going to do this.

"I thought right then that this was going to be the prototype for the driver's license of the North American Union," Guest said.

"When we called the North Carolina DMV, they hedged at first," Guest said, "but finally they admitted that, yes, there was a North American continent hologram on the back of the license.

"This is part of a plan by bureaucrats and trade groups that act like bureaucrats to little by little transform us into a North American Union without any vote being taken and without explaining to the U.S. public what they are doing," Guest argued.

King explained AAMVA's Uniform Identification Subcommittee created a number of task forces, including the Card Design Specification that developed the North America hologram.

"The Task Group surveyed and met with many stakeholders during the development effort," King wrote to WND. "The Task Force gathered information from government and non-government users of the driver's License/ID card to determine their uses for the DL/ID card and how they believe the card should function. In addition, the Task Group surveyed and met with industry experts in the area of card production and security to gather their advice, especially about the physical security of the card."

King told WND the Task Group work was repeatedly reviewed by the UID Subcommittee as a whole, with final approval coming from the AAMVA Board.

In 2006, WND reported Pastor Rios Sanchez, 55, an illegal alien, was accused of killing three people, including two North Carolina State University students and a 26-year-old, while driving drunk. (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52875)

"People who think the Real ID was created to keep illegal aliens from getting driver's licenses and IDs should come to North Carolina," Gheen told WND. "What the North Carolina DMV is doing is creating the basis for a continental driver's license.

"What difference does it make to North Carolina if an illegal alien gets a driver's license?" Gheen asked. "The photo on the license creates a close face scan that can be identified by face recognition technology, whether the DMV admits it or not.

"Illegal aliens who get driver's licenses are just being scanned in advance," Gheen concluded.

"Illegal aliens who get driver's licenses or IDs in North Carolina are just being prepared for their admission into the North America Union driver pool that North Carolina is at the vanguard of creating," Gheen said. "That is the truth, whether the North Carolina DMV or the AAMVA want to admit it or not." King told WND North Carolina is the first AAMVA member jurisdiction to use the North America hologram on a driver's license or ID card.

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Extra Stout
09-14-2007, 06:21 PM
That hologram portends an even further expansion of this damnable NAU. If you look closely at the hologram, not only is the North American continent visible, so are Cuba, Jamaica, Hispaniola, Colombia, Ecuador, Australia, New Guinea, Spain and Portugal, the British Isles, and part of West Africa! All of these will be part of the New World Order common government of the NAU!

mookie2001
09-16-2007, 06:34 PM
i thought this thread would be more pops, i mean it only concerns the very existance of america

Oh, Gee!!
09-17-2007, 07:40 AM
the end is nigh??!!!????!

braeden0613
09-17-2007, 10:20 AM
Someone please come in here and explain this away. This is almost precisely how the EU was started.

DarkReign
09-17-2007, 01:12 PM
i thought this thread would be more pops, i mean it only concerns the very existance of america

Existence, first of all.

Secondly, it should have more hits, no question. But to be quite honest, this topic has been done to death under the title of completely different topics.

Bottom line, no one here on this board is for it. Not Yoni, not WC, not Dan, not boutons, not anyone.

Why would the residents of North Carolina allow this is beyond me. If Michigan were to do something similar, youd see a much more vigorous response from me.

DarkReign
09-17-2007, 01:37 PM
BTW, I emailed the Congressmen imploring him to continue his investigation. Maybe others should do the same.

xrayzebra
09-17-2007, 01:57 PM
What is the big deal. I would think the liberals would love this
to death.

DarkReign
09-17-2007, 02:16 PM
What is the big deal. I would think the liberals would love this
to death.

Broad-brushing again. Liberal != American Dissolution

When you finally realize there isnt one person in all the country who willingly wants to become apart of some super-government like the NAU, the sooner you might be able to make the distinction between what a liberal and a conservative is.

Youre becoming indoctrinated or lazy or both. Youre being pit against your fellow American for divisive purposes alone. It isnt always Red vs Blue. One would think with your time on Earth, youd have realized this by now.

xrayzebra
09-17-2007, 02:18 PM
^^What in the world are you talking about? One world government
is damn sure not a conservative point of view. One of the reasons
I don't like Bush that much nor his Father. They both more of
less profess this view.

braeden0613
09-17-2007, 02:35 PM
^^What in the world are you talking about? One world government
is damn sure not a conservative point of view. One of the reasons
I don't like Bush that much nor his Father. They both more of
less profess this view.
It is not a true conservative view. But many neocons support it and call themselves conservative.

DarkReign
09-17-2007, 02:52 PM
^^What in the world are you talking about? One world government
is damn sure not a conservative point of view. One of the reasons
I don't like Bush that much nor his Father. They both more of
less profess this view.

So, are you saying Bush is a neo-liberal now?

Because he is the one who signed the letter of intent with Canada and Mexico.

Clinton started it with NAFTA, Bush is nurturing it with his letter of intent and it will be reality with whomever takes over next or beyond.

My point is, this "idea" isnt a conservative or liberal one. As much as it may pain you know that, it is true. This, once again, is not Red vs Blue. Its us vs them. Government, whether conservative, liberal or fascist, is all about control. The consolidation of power over the greatest currency...people.

So, you can continue to blame the libs on this issue, if that makes you sleep better at night, but the truth is its a Government issue. Furthered by those in power for a means to an end of that damn, finicky Constitution. You'd be better served focusing your next presidential selection based on this very issue, but as much as it is rumor and scandal at this point, it will be prevalent and real in very short order.

Time to ditch your ideals about gay marriage, abortion and foreign policy and start concentrating on what is most important to you. Your freedom, your rights, your sovereignty? Or your gay neighbors being married, some fetus being sucked out with a vacuum or what country we should invade tomorrow?

Prioritize, Ray. Because its real, its now and if you and I dont start getting active on the subject, Iraq is going to be the leats our problems.

j-6
09-17-2007, 04:12 PM
So, are you saying Bush is a neo-liberal now?

Because he is the one who signed the letter of intent with Canada and Mexico.

Clinton started it with NAFTA, Bush is nurturing it with his letter of intent and it will be reality with whomever takes over next or beyond.

My point is, this "idea" isnt a conservative or liberal one. As much as it may pain you know that, it is true. This, once again, is not Red vs Blue. Its us vs them. Government, whether conservative, liberal or fascist, is all about control. The consolidation of power over the greatest currency...people.

So, you can continue to blame the libs on this issue, if that makes you sleep better at night, but the truth is its a Government issue. Furthered by those in power for a means to an end of that damn, finicky Constitution. You'd be better served focusing your next presidential selection based on this very issue, but as much as it is rumor and scandal at this point, it will be prevalent and real in very short order.

Time to ditch your ideals about gay marriage, abortion and foreign policy and start concentrating on what is most important to you. Your freedom, your rights, your sovereignty? Or your gay neighbors being married, some fetus being sucked out with a vacuum or what country we should invade tomorrow?

Prioritize, Ray. Because its real, its now and if you and I dont start getting active on the subject, Iraq is going to be the leats our problems.

Ever heard of UNASUR? The African Union? Those are two continental unions modeled on the EU that actually publicly exist and have goals for total integration. And timelines.

It's gonna suck when South America, population 400M+, goes to war with Europe over French Guyana or the Falkland Islands in 25 years. Or if UNASUR starts making advances toward Mexico because we've decided not to integrate as quickly as the rest of the world.

I'm certainly not a fan of the NAU proposal, but if we're reduced to a minor role in world affairs we better turn into full isolationists.

BradLohaus
09-17-2007, 04:18 PM
Who are the "top-teir" and "electable" candidates in 08 presidential elction?

Clinton - D
Obama - D
Edwards - D
F. Thompson - R
Romney - R
Giuliani - R
McCain - R

What else do they have in common? They are all in the Council on Foreign Relations. Richard Haas is the current president of the CFR. Here's what he thinks:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9903/sovereignty_and_globalisation.html?breadcrumb=%2Fb ios%2F3350%2Frichard_n_haass%3Fpage%3D3

new mechanisms are needed for regional and global governance that include actors other than states.

states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function.

Some governments are prepared to give up elements of sovereignty to address the threat of global climate change.

Globalisation thus implies that sovereignty is not only becoming weaker in reality, but that it needs to become weaker.

Our notion of sovereignty must therefore be conditional, even contractual, rather than absolute.

The goal should be to redefine sovereignty for the era of globalisation, to find a balance between a world of fully sovereign states and an international system of either world government or anarchy.

So, we either give up much of our sovereignty and allow the US to become a state of the world government, or we live in anarchy. I think this man is insane, and he is the president of the CFR! I doubt he would be able to rise to that position if his views weren't in line with the views of the members of the organizaion.

So make sure you get out there and fight for your CFR candidate. He/she will spend taxpayer money on the things you want them to, but sorry - globalization is not up for debate.

I've never heard of this website before, so it might take positions I don't agree with, but it has a very good page about this. Make sure you read the quotes.

http://www.criticalreactor.com/2007/07/25/the-cfr-and-the-2008-presidential-candidates/

DarkReign
09-17-2007, 04:37 PM
Ever heard of UNASUR? The African Union? Those are two continental unions modeled on the EU that actually publicly exist and have goals for total integration. And timelines.

It's gonna suck when South America, population 400M+, goes to war with Europe over French Guyana or the Falkland Islands in 25 years. Or if UNASUR starts making advances toward Mexico because we've decided not to integrate as quickly as the rest of the world.

I'm certainly not a fan of the NAU proposal, but if we're reduced to a minor role in world affairs we better turn into full isolationists.

Hmm, so youre saying we must be apart of the NAU for "national security"?

Or that the absolving of our borders is somehow a natural progression in response to the rest of the (3rd) world unionizing?

Last time I checked, the US spends more on its military than nearly all countries put together. If (a big fucking "IF") it came to that, and we were reduced to partial players in the world stage, I would think there are other ways of leveraging our strengths.

The US is an island. Very capable of defending itself and even going on the offensive. And not against some boogey-man entity like "terrorism", it would be against flag-waving militaries of the world.

I would fight that battle. I would long to fight that battle.

But I do see your point. The Euros strength against the dollar is one indicator, but reality is, South America, Asia and Africa are nowhere in the same galaxy as Europe is in terms of economy, infrastructure and organization.

If all of South America unionized and became in essence, one country, that would be one humungous miracle by God Himself. If Asia, and all the different sects and countries and religions, united as well, God would be two for two.

The EU and the NAU are unique in that the cultural barriers of the different nations are minimal in comparison to the rest of the world.

I mean, is Russia going to centralize with the Asian Union? Where does the Middle East fit in? With Africa? Asia the continent is one huge landmass filled with vastly different, undereducated people mostly ruled by dictators and censorship who cant seem to get along with themselves, much less arch enemies from centuries past.

South America may be the more likely candidate. But I still fail to see the benefits from the power players of the region. European countries were all, pretty much, on the same level of economy and prosperity. So the wealthy nations (Uk, France, Germany, Spain, Italy) could all share the burden of adopting the lessers (Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden).

North America is the same. The US is obviously the preeminant, but it would burden us greatly to adopt Mexico and Canada (try telling Canadians that, yeeesh).

But South America?!


Top 50 economies in the World (as of 2000):

Rank Country / Corporation GDP / sales ($mil)
` = Corporations

1 United States 8,708,870.00
2 Japan 4,395,083.00
3 Germany 2,081,202.00
4 France 1,410,262.00
5 United Kingdom 1,373,612.00
6 Italy 1,149,958.00
7 China 1,149,814.00
8 Brazil 760,345.00
9 Canada 612,049.00
10 Spain 562,245.00
11 Mexico 474,951.00
12 India 459,765.00
13 Korea, Rep. 406,940.00
14 Australia 389,691.00
15 Netherlands 384,766.00
16 Russian Federation 375,345.00
17 Argentina 281,942.00
18 Switzerland 260,299.00
19 Belgium 245,706.00
20 Sweden 226,388.00
21 Austria 208,949.00
22 Turkey 188,374.00
`23 General Motors 176,558.00
24 Denmark 174,363.00
`25 Wal-Mart 166,809.00
`26 Exxon Mobil 163,881.00
`27 Ford Motor 162,558.00
`28 DaimlerChrysler 159,985.70
29 Poland 154,146.00
30 Norway 145,449.00
31 Indonesia 140,964.00
32 South Africa 131,127.00
33 Saudi Arabia 128,892.00
34 Finland 126,130.00
35 Greece 123,934.00
36 Thailand 123,887.00
`37 Mitsui 118,555.20
`38 Mitsubishi 117,765.60
`39 Toyota Motor 115,670.90
`40 General Electric 111,630.00
`41 Itochu 109,068.90
42 Portugal 107,716.00
`43 Royal Dutch/Shell 105,366.00
44 Venezuela 103,918.00
45 Iran, Islamic rep. 101,073.00
46 Israel 99,068.00
`47 Sumitomo 95,701.60
`48 Nippon Tel & Tel 93,591.70
49 Egypt, Arab Republic 92,413.00
`50 Marubeni 91,807.40

You have Brazil, Argentina annnnnnnnd.....who in the top 50?

Tell me why Brazil/Argentina would like to adopt 10 other countries economies? What are its cost/benefits ratio to to do such a stupid thing?

Notice, that every one of Europe's countries are on that list. Coincidence why they would enter into an agreement with one another?

Moreover, lets take Asia. Why on God's green earth would India, Japan and China (two bitter rivals of ancient proportion) adopt everyone else?

It just doesnt make fiscal sense if they are being modeled after the EU's design. The EU is in its infancy. Right now, its common money and transit. Next is common tax and law. Then its outright dissolution of borders with a common military and defense.

So, I could see the South American and Asian markets working under the infancy standard the EU is using, but never beyond. Which makes them seperate all the same. Which means they only have common money and free transit. No biggie.

Japan, China, India and Brazil stand to gain nothing from the ends, no matter what the means, IMO.

Holt's Cat
09-17-2007, 04:52 PM
It makes no sense for the US to get involved in such an organization. We would only set ourselves up for greater taxation, regulation, and headaches. I'm sure Canada and Mexico would love to dictate how our national income is redistributed.

To me it just seems impractical and wasteful. Not because the Grays are behind it all or whatever Alex Jones is saying now.

j-6
09-17-2007, 05:30 PM
My point wasn't that we need to fear South America and Africa economically or militarily once they unionize, DR. It was that continental unionization is the current trend in other continents beside our own.

DarkReign
09-17-2007, 05:45 PM
My point wasn't that we need to fear South America and Africa economically or militarily once they unionize, DR. It was that continental unionization is the current trend in other continents beside our own.


...but if we're reduced to a minor role in world affairs we better turn into full isolationists.

Then I must have misunderstood that statement. To me, youre saying we either unionize or become full-blown isolationists.

I dont believe those two options to be only options available. But I think where we disagree is the threat of a world unionized if we are not.

As it stands, no army in the world would ever take a shot at the US. Its futile...we know it, they know it. But as those same governments consolidate power and view the world thru new lenses, it may not be such a wild compunction.

Regardless, I have no taste for unionized countries unless done so under the auspice of the people. Shadow governments and secret pacts are no way to further agendas of honorable men. They are the dealings of the powerful whom find it necessary to subjugate the masses for their own personal gain.

I for one will probably not live to see such a day. Whether I be in prison or killed, this particular program I will not participate, damn the consequences.

National ID cards, Standard North American license plates....thats just 2008.

What about 2010? 2020? Where will we be as a people? I shudder at the thought of more celebrity worship replacing people's hunger for knowledge. More concerned with Brad Pitt's son's acting career than the steep decline thier rights have experienced.

Maybe Americans deserve it. Maybe the people at the top are onto something. I would certainly hope not.

Everyone has watched some movie where the people are repressed, the government is corrupt and it all comes to some epic finale.

I fear that will never happen, that the people in question are much too concerned with their iPhones to care about those silly politics.

And in my experience with the death of my father, there is no Hollywood moment of lucidity with the sick and dying. They pass in convulsions and pain speaking like a 9 year old boy who doesnt know who the hell you are.

Now...or never.

Holt's Cat
09-17-2007, 05:51 PM
Just what America needs is another bureaucratic layer of government. The sad thing is that it wouldn't take much for many in this country to support it. All it would take are a few celebrity endorsements and the promise of a tax cut. Maybe a couple free cases of Dos Equis (better than that Molson shit, IMO :hat).

Mr. Dictionary
09-17-2007, 06:03 PM
As it stands, no army in the world would ever take a shot at the US. Its futile...we know it, they know it. But as those same governments consolidate power and view the world thru new lenses, it may not be such a wild compunction.


com·punc·tion
–noun
1. a feeling of uneasiness or anxiety of the conscience caused by regret for doing wrong or causing pain; contrition; remorse.
2. any uneasiness or hesitation about the rightness of an action.

[Origin: 1350–1400; ME compunccion (< AF) < LL compūnctiōn- (s. of compūnctiō), equiv. to L compūnct(us), ptp. of compungere to prick severely (com- com- + pungere to prick; cf. point) + -iōn- -ion]

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Perhaps you meant, conjecture?

DarkReign
09-17-2007, 07:08 PM
com·punc·tion
–noun
1. a feeling of uneasiness or anxiety of the conscience caused by regret for doing wrong or causing pain; contrition; remorse.
2. any uneasiness or hesitation about the rightness of an action.

[Origin: 1350–1400; ME compunccion (< AF) < LL compūnctiōn- (s. of compūnctiō), equiv. to L compūnct(us), ptp. of compungere to prick severely (com- com- + pungere to prick; cf. point) + -iōn- -ion]

----------------------------------

Perhaps you meant, conjecture?

And? Nope, compunction, because it would be something that they would certainly regret.

j-6
09-17-2007, 07:56 PM
What I was saying about being isolationist was more about staying out of the affairs of these convoluted African / South American megastates moreso than a fear of military or economic actions. Making a crack about the battle for French Guyana didn’t really help my cause. Having a reduced role around the world while these people are trying to organize themselves isn’t a bad thing, either. Maybe we can focus more on our own domestic problems and decide whether or not we’re going to become Fortress America in the face of world unionization. Maybe we’ll decide, maybe our grandkids will. Odds are, it’ll happen and nobody will care as long as DirecTV keeps their promise to add more HD programming and caramel macchiatos are abundant. I know it’s a minor quibble but I want to be clear since I screwed it up the first go round. We cool?

Now here's where I start agreeing with you.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but some of this NAU stuff is beginning to add up. The DMV spokeslady in Carolina flat out said North America, not United States. Rick Perry’s TTC project is quietly moving forward despite almost universal opposition. Mexican truck drivers are driving the same roads as their American counterparts.

No one gives a straight answer anymore so I guess I can’t be surprised if this is really happening. Even Alan Greenspan said that the Iraqi war was over oil when we’ve heard everything from terrorism to yellow cake to genocide to establishing democracy. That’s crazy. How in the hell was this guy supposed to make economic policy for the nation knowing that we’re fighting a war over a commodity? And he still did an amazing job despite the fact that our government is on pace to spend over a trillion dollars prosecuting this war. And he was misled like all the rest of us.

So we trust the liars because our choices are limited. How inspiring.

It’s sickening, but we the people are too busy hating each other over minor idiotic stuff to be bothered into trying to find out what’s really happening here – like you mentioned.

smeagol
09-17-2007, 08:53 PM
learn English before you start criticizing those fluent in Spanish

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Holt's Cat
09-17-2007, 09:17 PM
It’s sickening, but we the people are too busy hating each other over minor idiotic stuff to be bothered into trying to find out what’s really happening here – like you mentioned.

Abortion, gay marriage, death penalty, affirmative action, global warming, drug legalization, etc...the opiate of the masses.

Holt's Cat
09-17-2007, 09:23 PM
english as the official language, school choice, illegal immigration, & welfare too.

DarkReign
09-18-2007, 10:10 AM
learn English before you start criticizing those fluent in Spanish

Mr Dictionary?

Still offended from the troll forum post?

GTFOOH

As if my grammar and spelling is so consistently atrocious to even make any sort of comment about it.

Stick to Corso, Pimp and the Dictionary.

DarkReign
09-18-2007, 10:16 AM
What I was saying about being isolationist was more about staying out of the affairs of these convoluted African / South American megastates moreso than a fear of military or economic actions. Making a crack about the battle for French Guyana didn’t really help my cause. Having a reduced role around the world while these people are trying to organize themselves isn’t a bad thing, either. Maybe we can focus more on our own domestic problems and decide whether or not we’re going to become Fortress America in the face of world unionization. Maybe we’ll decide, maybe our grandkids will. Odds are, it’ll happen and nobody will care as long as DirecTV keeps their promise to add more HD programming and caramel macchiatos are abundant. I know it’s a minor quibble but I want to be clear since I screwed it up the first go round. We cool?

By no means was I trying to attack you. I wasnt trying to dismiss your opinion, or belittle your position. If some of my above statements made it seem as so, then I sincerely apologize. I realize my writing style can be interpreted as coarse but I assure you I enjoy a good debate with open-minded individuals. So, yes, we are very cool.

BTW, couldnt agree more with the above statement. People need to start caring about the important things, and I dont necessarily mean the NAU or some such, but politics and government in general.


Now here's where I start agreeing with you.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but some of this NAU stuff is beginning to add up. The DMV spokeslady in Carolina flat out said North America, not United States. Rick Perry’s TTC project is quietly moving forward despite almost universal opposition. Mexican truck drivers are driving the same roads as their American counterparts.

No one gives a straight answer anymore so I guess I can’t be surprised if this is really happening. Even Alan Greenspan said that the Iraqi war was over oil when we’ve heard everything from terrorism to yellow cake to genocide to establishing democracy. That’s crazy. How in the hell was this guy supposed to make economic policy for the nation knowing that we’re fighting a war over a commodity? And he still did an amazing job despite the fact that our government is on pace to spend over a trillion dollars prosecuting this war. And he was misled like all the rest of us.

So we trust the liars because our choices are limited. How inspiring.

It’s sickening, but we the people are too busy hating each other over minor idiotic stuff to be bothered into trying to find out what’s really happening here.

Well put and completely in agreement.

mookie2001
09-18-2007, 02:46 PM
but what IS the NAU?

Extra Stout
09-18-2007, 02:48 PM
but what IS the NAU?

i dont get it
this is america right?
The consolidation of sovereignty within continents would be an intermediate step on the way to consolidation of sovereignty within a single global state.

There are numerous barriers to such a union, one of which would be my dead body.