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biba
09-25-2007, 01:42 PM
Well, guess who's the number One?


Position rankings: Power forwards

By Tony Mejia CBSSports.com Staff Writer Sep. 25, 2007

There's just no way I could put the reigning MVP above Tim Duncan, who comes into 2007-08 eyeing a ring for his thumb.
The subject was briefly pondered, but was quickly dismissed as irrational. Putting Kevin Garnett above Nowitzki, however, given what the Mavericks star accomplished last season, seemed disrespectful.

So at least there's that, Dirk. The disastrous end to last season at the hands of Golden State didn't extinguish everything.

Rankings note: Players are ranked in the order of their projected impact on the coming season. Upside is taken into account, but only for the next 12 months. Whether you're a bargain or a bad contract doesn't matter.

1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio: He stayed healthy, regained his form, regained the championship -- and his spot at the top of this list. If you get over the ridiculous "boring" cliché, it's easy to appreciate how difficult he makes things for opponents simply by being in position. His poise on offense and consistency on defense allow the Spurs to impose their will the majority of the time.

2. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas: It seems strange that a reigning MVP would come into a season with such little momentum, but we all know why that's absolutely the case. The adversity should be a positive for Nowitzki, who has consistently created challenges for himself to ultimately overcome throughout his career. He's tougher than he gets credit for.

3. Kevin Garnett, Boston: It's dangerous to assume things, but one can only dream about what a pumped-up K.G. will be capable of. This is a guy who extracted every ounce of energy from his body for a Minnesota squad that was typically overmatched. With a pair of likely Hall of Famers flanking him, he's going to be lethal.

4. Chris Bosh, Toronto: The best decision Bosh could've made was to skip the FIBAs to rest a sore foot. He dealt with chronic pain due to plantar fasciitis last season and still excelled. If he can get that situation squared away, the Raptors will have an excellent chance of repeating as Atlantic Division champs despite the retooling the Nets, Celtics and Knicks have done.

5. Carlos Boozer, Utah: No one saw last season coming. After two injury-filled seasons, Boozer stayed healthy and became one of the NBA's most productive power forwards. It wasn't a fluke, either. As long as he avoids injury, Jazz fans can rest easy that they have another franchise-caliber four leading the charge.

6. Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana: It seems like O'Neal and the Pacers are going to make a good-faith effort to give this marriage one last chance. If things don't work out early in the Jim O'Brien regime, expect rumors of discontent to come up again. No one can accuse O'Neal of short-changing Indiana in effort, playing through injuries and shining on defense, but he wants to win above everything else, even if it means a move.

Rankings comparison
2007 2006 Stock
1. T. Duncan 3
2. D. Nowitzki 1
3. K. Garnett 2
4. C. Bosh 5
5. C. Boozer 14
6. J. O'Neal 6 SAME
7. S. Marion --
8. P. Gasol 7
9. A. Jamison 9 SAME
10. L. Odom --
Complete 2006 Rankings
7. Shawn Marion, Phoenix: If he stays put with the Suns, he'll be playing out of position again. He'll also be stuck behind Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire, as far as the spotlight is concerned. He might feel it's a thankless job, but it's probably his best chance at a ring, too. His day as top dog will eventually arrive, but playing for a team as potent as Phoenix's might not come again.

8. Pau Gasol, Memphis: A move to center is not out of the question for Gasol, who is content to be with the Grizzlies again following a lengthy period of discontent. No matter where he lines up, he'll be the focal point of an up-tempo attack that's sure to produce eye-popping numbers and a few more victories.

9. Antawn Jamison, Washington: Another undersized option at the four, Jamison makes up for any defensive deficiencies with his offense. Anyone who overlooked him got a reminder of what he can do when he put the Wizards on his back following season-ending injuries to Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler, averaging 32 points and 9.8 boards a game in a gutsy playoff display against Cleveland.

10. Lamar Odom, L.A. Lakers: He again made strides in Phil Jackson's system, but because of the team's lack of success, Odom's name has been tied to as many trade rumors as Andrew Bynum's. Although Odom does go through periods where he looks out of sync, his play has been a bright spot for the Lakers more often than not.

11. Gerald Wallace, Charlotte: He's similar to Marion in that he can play and defend multiple positions thanks to amazing athleticism. While Wallace didn't enter the league as polished as Marion, he made significant strides in all areas of the game and has yet to reach his ceiling.

12. Zach Randolph, New York: The Knicks hope last season was a breakthrough for Randolph, and that he'll build upon that in his new surroundings. He stayed out of trouble, displayed growth and played hard consistently. He won't do much for New York defensively, but might wind up taking over the role of go-to guy from Eddy Curry. There's no denying Randolph's talent, just whether he's the right fit for the Knicks' bizarre jigsaw puzzle.

13. Al Jefferson, Minnesota: Paul Pierce made it possible for Jefferson to get a little breathing room in the paint in Boston, but he might not have that luxury with the Timberwolves. Teams are going to collapse on him in the post, but that's only going to make him better down the road. For now, though, he's in for more losing.

14. David West, New Orleans: Coming off his best season as a pro, West finally found his niche playing the pick-and-roll game with Chris Paul. West is in the mold of an Abdur-Rahim or Jamison in that he's smaller, but that doesn't stop him from mixing it up. As long as his knee holds up, he should continue making steady improvement.

15. Elton Brand, L.A. Clippers: Yes, he's going to miss a large part of the season and might not play until 2008-09. At the same time, there's a chance he could return, and that's enough to get him on this list. How are you going to have a list of top power forwards without Brand? You're not. This is the lowest I could drop him, given a potential return this season from a ruptured left Achilles' tendon.

16. Nene, Denver: His surgically repaired knee held up fine, so the Nuggets are resting easier about their long-term Brazilian investment. He's still a better athlete than most people he runs up against, and started turning that advantage into big production.

17. LaMarcus Aldridge, Portland: With Greg Oden sidelined, he becomes the young big man the Blazers are most interested in seeing develop this season. He has amazing potential and should have Portland fans salivating over a potential union with the injured No. 1 pick.

18. Al Harrington, Golden State: Don Nelson wants more out of him, and after a chance to go through a full training camp, Harrington should be able to deliver. The Warriors advanced in the postseason despite him shooting just 40 percent from the field and averaging barely 10 points per game. They can become a legitimate threat if they get him straightened out.

Schedule
Date Position
Sept. 24 Center
Sept. 25 Power forward
Sept. 26 Small forward
Sept. 27 Shooting guard
Sept. 28 Point guard
Oct. 1 Top 50
Oct. 5 Coach
19. Udonis Haslem, Miami: It might surprise you to see Haslem on this list because of some of the bigger names omitted, but that just goes to show you how undervalued he is. Haslem's contributions on defense are invaluable to the Heat's cause, and his mid-range jumper has become consistent enough to be considered a weapon.

20. Boris Diaw, Phoenix: If the Suns are going to overcome their limited depth and challenge for a championship, they'll need Diaw to contribute more off the bench than ever. His passing skills add another dimension to Phoenix's attack, but his size and ability to hang with opposing bigs down on the blocks might make the biggest impact.

Others considered: Charlie Villanueva, Milwaukee; Drew Gooden, Cleveland; Anderson Varejao, Cleveland; Al Horford, Atlanta; Nick Collison, Seattle; Chris Wilcox, Seattle; Luis Scola, Houston; Antonio McDyess, Detroit; David Lee, New York; Marvin Williams, Atlanta; Kenyon Martin, Denver; Channing Frye, Portland; Tyrus Thomas, Chicago; Joakim Noah, Chicago; Kurt Thomas, Seattle; Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Sacramento; Tim Thomas, L.A. Clippers; Hakim Warrick, Memphis; Juwan Howard, Houston; P.J. Brown, Unaffiliated; Jason Maxiell, Detroit; Tim Thomas, L.A. Clippers; Brian Cook, L.A. Lakers; Kenny Thomas, Sacramento; Mikki Moore, Sacramento; Darius Songaila, Washington; Juwan Howard, Minnesota; Paul Millsap, Utah; Yi Jianlian, Milwaukee; Brandan Wright, Golden State; Shelden Williams, Atlanta; Joe Smith, Chicago; Chris Webber, unaffiliated; Reggie Evans, Philadelphia; Stromile Swift, Memphis.

Spurs>All
09-25-2007, 03:38 PM
Meija is a huge Spurs homer - not that there is anything wrong with that.

Spurs Brazil
09-25-2007, 03:41 PM
Good

PM5K
09-25-2007, 03:56 PM
I think he made a mistake, seems he put the wrong number in front of Elton Brands name...

ShoogarBear
09-25-2007, 04:01 PM
Gerald Wallace, power forward?

duncan228
09-25-2007, 04:02 PM
I love positive press on Duncan.
Especially when it's true.
If he comes into this season like he did last year, I like our chances to repeat.

I'm so ready for this season to start. :hungry:

exstatic
09-25-2007, 06:46 PM
I think he made a mistake, seems he put the wrong number in front of Elton Brands name...
I was thinking the same thing. WTF? Brand >> Boozer. Carlos is as much of a one way player as Nash, proven by Oberto fucking undressing him in the WCFs. Brand also never sat out a year with a hamstring. He'll probably recover faster from his torn achilles + surgery than that pussy Boozer did from his hammy.

midgetonadonkey
09-25-2007, 11:16 PM
Even with a potentially career threatening injury, Greg Oden should be in the top 5.

-tlong

mystargtr34
09-25-2007, 11:50 PM
Boozer seems to have gotten over his injuries. That makes him a top 5 PF in the game. A healthy Brand would get the nod over Boozer given defense but its close. Boozer is a beast.

I had a chuckle at the OBERTO undressing Boozer part though :)

barbacoataco
09-26-2007, 12:07 AM
Ray Allen and Paul Pierce future HOF'ers?

timmy21_4rings
09-26-2007, 12:13 AM
Well, guess who's the number One?


4. Chris Bosh, Toronto: The best decision Bosh could've made was to skip the FIBAs to rest a sore foot. He dealt with chronic pain due to plantar fasciitis last season and still excelled. If he can get that situation squared away, the Raptors will have an excellent chance of repeating as Atlantic Division champs despite the retooling the Nets, Celtics and Knicks have done.

5. Carlos Boozer, Utah: No one saw last season coming. After two injury-filled seasons, Boozer stayed healthy and became one of the NBA's most productive power forwards. It wasn't a fluke, either. As long as he avoids injury, Jazz fans can rest easy that they have another franchise-caliber four leading the charge.



I think Boozer should be above Chris Bosh.

mystargtr34
09-26-2007, 06:23 AM
I think so too but i think hes left a bit for potential there.

JPB
09-26-2007, 06:50 AM
Ray Allen and Paul Pierce future HOF'ers?

Kind of shocked me too.

wildchild
09-26-2007, 07:29 AM
Gerald Wallace, power forward?

And Amare or Rasheed, center? :rolleyes
So, 7-Tyson Chandler and 8-Rasheed Wallace/9-Ben Wallace?



Position rankings: Centers
Sep. 24, 2007
By Tony Mejia
CBSSports.com Staff Writer


For the first time in a decade, Shaquille O'Neal isn't the man in the middle. His body can't be trusted, he has lost a few steps, and the pack that has been nipping at his heels for the past few years has continued to improve.


The Heat can count on being Shaq-less for 20 percent of their games. (Getty Images)
The torch is ready to be passed, but there's no clear recipient. Yao Ming is the most gifted offensive center in basketball. Dwight Howard is a beast of an athlete who continues to get his Hulk on, growing stronger and more determined. Amare Stoudemire just cleared a major obstacle, playing 82 games after career-threatening knee surgery.

Considering where he started at this point last year to where he ended up at season's end, Stoudemire displayed a great deal of character. He's an impressive competitor, mentally tough and relentless in his pursuit of improvement.

He got my All-NBA first-team vote in the spring, so it's only natural to give him the inside track to O'Neal's throne. Over the past few months, Stoudemire got fitter than ever and put in work on his jumper while staying busy with Team USA, another act of defiance against an injury some thought would doom him.

Rankings note: Players are ranked in the order of their projected impact on the coming season. Upside is taken into account, but only for the next 12 months. Whether you're a bargain or a bad contract doesn't matter.

1. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix: He made up for a slight loss of explosion by improving in other areas. He didn't necessarily reinvent himself, but you get the sense he'd be able to if that's necessary down the road. He must to continue to improve as a leader and embrace Steve Nash as the perfect point guard to chase a championship with.

2. Yao Ming, Houston: When he was healthy, he was unstoppable, finally becoming the dominant presence everyone impatiently hoped he'd grow into. He has had some freak injuries each of the past two seasons, but that hasn't deterred his significant improvement. If anything, getting knocked down seems to have increased his hunger. Expect even bigger numbers under new coach Rick Adelman.

3. Dwight Howard, Orlando: When he entered the league, there was a fear a nice kid like Howard would be too passive to dominate inside. That's laughable now. He's still working on his consistency, but he has turned up the volume significantly as he has grown up. Expect him to own the paint much more often this year; he's poised to become the league's most prolific rebounder.

Rankings comparison
2007 2006 Stock
1. A. Stoudemire 3
2. Y. Ming 4
3. D. Howard 2
4. S. O'Neal 1
5. M. Camby 6
6. E. Okafor --
7. T. Chandler 13
8. R. Wallace --
9. B. Wallace 7
10. M. Okur 9
Complete 2006 Rankings
4. Shaquille O'Neal, Miami: You can never write him off, but you also can't overlook that it's become a given that nearly 20 percent of the Heat's games will be played without him. He missed at least 15 games in five of the past six seasons and will spend the final three years of his contract conserving energy in order to earn one last ring.

5. Marcus Camby, Denver: The NBA's reigning Defensive Player of the Year is aging gracefully. He played in 70 games for only the second time in his career last year, actually getting stronger as the season progressed. He blocked four or more shots in six of his last eight regular-season games and averaged more than 15 boards per game against the Spurs in the playoffs.

6. Emeka Okafor, Charlotte: He has been listed as a power forward since coming into the league, but since the Bobcats plan to run under Sam Vincent, Okafor is likely to see significant time at the five. Ideally, he'll be able to flourish on both ends in an up-and-down style, which I believe will contribute to helping him post All-Star-caliber numbers.

7. Tyson Chandler, New Orleans: A new situation was exactly what Chandler needed, and there was no need for any adjustment period. He came in grabbing boards and swatting shots and never stopped, leading to an invitation to the U.S. National Team and increased expectations for 2007-08.

8. Rasheed Wallace, Detroit: He'll report to camp 25 pounds lighter, set on thriving in a new position. The Pistons need a shot in the arm after falling apart last season, and Wallace could be the key to that, capitalizing on the vast array of mismatches he'll no doubt create.

9. Ben Wallace, Chicago: If you want to be Joe Friday about it, Wallace did have a down year in his first season in a Chicago uniform. In retrospect, growing pains probably should've been expected given the new environment, and it bodes well for the Bulls that Big Ben seemed to settle into a comfort zone by the time the playoffs rolled around. He may be 33 and not getting younger, but don't consider him a bust just yet. Wallace stays in phenomenal shape and will give the Bulls a healthy return on their heavily scrutinized investment.

10. Mehmet Okur, Utah: His perimeter touch found him the perfect niche in the Utah lineup, eventually resulting in his first All-Star appearance. It looked like he wilted down the stretch, though, resulting in poor performances against San Antonio in the Western Conference finals and for Turkey at the European Championships. Okur should benefit from a little time off before the season tips.

Greg Oden, Portland: Since he'll be missing the 2007-08 season, Oden doesn't qualify to make this list. If he had remained healthy, this is where he would've been ranked to begin his pro career.

11. Eddy Curry, New York: His progress was encouraging, particularly since he stayed healthy and brought his lunch pail to work nightly. Still, there's significant work to do for him to be considered a franchise center. It remains to be seen whether he and Zach Randolph can co-exist, especially on defense. Curry also needs to become a more productive rebounder and limit turnovers.

12. Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee: The coming season should ideally be the breakthrough year for the top pick of the 2005 draft. He's not the type of player who is going to get you 30 points and be the primary go-to guy, but he's capable of standing out with his all-around game if everything comes together.

13. Nenad Krstic, New Jersey: Krstic was thriving (16.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg) before tearing his ACL and is poised to come back strong and reprise his role as the Nets' best offensive big man. He gives defenders headaches with his ability to run the floor, a deft shooting touch and nice moves around the basket.

14. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland: His presence is essential to the Cavs' dynamic, supplying a calming veteran influence to a team that only recently learned how to win.

15. Chris Kaman, L.A. Clippers: Last season was a disaster for a variety of reasons, starting with lackluster conditioning. Kaman wanted to ensure that didn't trip him up again, so he showed up to play for L.A.'s Summer League entry. With Elton Brand gone, he'll get more opportunities, but also increased attention from opposing defenses.

16. Andris Biedrins, Golden State: Don Nelson gets the most out of the young Latvian, who reciprocates with great energy on defense and on the boards, even though his offensive game is still relatively non-existent. Still, his marvelous athleticism helps the Warriors go, helping super-charge their relentless pace.

17. Andrea Bargnani, Toronto: He's the latest in the growing trend of center variables, and if his rookie year is any indication, he's going to be one of the best. He's not afraid to take the big shot and his perimeter touch is deadly. He should be in the starting lineup this season, and although there will be many challenges -- rebounding, in particular -- there will be flashes of brilliance, too.

18. Brad Miller, Sacramento: Miller was really never healthy a year ago, so he's getting a pass for his first non-productive season in a Kings uniform. He has long been able to overcome his physical limitations by outthinking and outworking opponents, but his constant bouts with plantar fasciitis were too much to overcome. Hopefully the rest he gave his feet this offseason will allow him to get back on track.

19. Alonzo Mourning, Miami: The best backup center in basketball, he has been invaluable in full-time duty behind Shaq, averaging about eight points, five rebounds and 2.5 blocks in roughly 20 minutes of work over the past few years. Although his offensive game has become limited, he can still control a game for stretches with his defense.

20. Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia: He's a notoriously slow starter, so news of a stress fracture in his left foot a few weeks before training camp is an ominous sign. Dalembert increased his productivity following Allen Iverson's departure, so the Sixers are once again expecting big things from him. That has been a recurring theme for years, but Dalembert is coming off his best season.

Also considered: Jamaal Magloire, New Jersey; Darko Milicic, Memphis; Troy Murphy, Golden State; Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers; Kwame Brown, L.A. Lakers; Primoz Brezec, Charlotte; DeSagana Diop, Dallas; Erick Dampier, Dallas; Mark Blount, Minnesota; Chris Mihm, L.A. Lakers; Rasho Nesterovic, Toronto; Kendrick Perkins, Boston; Jeff Foster, Indiana; Nazr Mohammed, Detroit; Zaza Pachulia, Atlanta; Joel Przybilla, Portland; Robert Swift, Seattle; Fabricio Oberto, San Antonio; Brendan Haywood, Washington; Etan Thomas, Washington.

Rasho, Nazr, Fabs, and not Elson?


Meija is a huge Spurs homer

No. :p: