Are the suns done seriously contending?

[Kamnik]

First of all they trade away one person that could defend Duncan well in Kurt Thomas....

And now Marion goes into the super-primadona mode.



In my opinion any trade they make it screws them over. They can not get good value back for Marion. (Odom, Kirilenko,... not good enough)

AND if they dont trade him their chemistry goes flying out the window.

Beside that Steve Nash does not have more than 2 years left on the top level. I love Nash but hate pretty much everyone else on their team together with all their trolls around here.





All in all a good day for Spurs fans! :fro :hungry:

Start tanking sunshines! :drunk

[Findog]

First of all they trade away one person that could defend Duncan well in Kurt Thomas....

And now Marion goes into the super-primadona mode.



In my opinion any trade they make it screws them over. They can not get good value back for Marion. (Odom, Kirilenko,... not good enough)

AND if they dont trade him their chemistry goes flying out the window.

Beside that Steve Nash does not have more than 2 years left on the top level. I love Nash but hate pretty much everyone else on their team together with all their trolls around here.





All in all a good day for Spurs fans! :fro :hungry:

Start tanking sunshines! :drunk

Howls of laughter can be heard 4 hours apart on Interstate 35.

[baseline bum]

It's a screwed up situation. I actually like the Suns a lot, and I hate to see an idiot like Marion tear down a title contender. Having three pretty evenly-matched title contenders in the west is a great thing for the league.

As for the original question, yeah, they're done if they lose Marion for Kirilenko or Odom, or if Marion stays and doesn't shut the hell up.

[Xylus]

Are you telling me that a starting lineup of...

Nash
Raja
Grant
Odom
Amare

Doesn't bother you a little? Especially given the fact that Odom is more of a force against the Spurs than Marion?

The Suns might lose a couple games more in the regular season. But if Odom (I really doubt Kirilenko is coming here, no way the Suns trade Marion to an already stacked Jazz team) is ready for the playoffs, the Suns are going to be formidable.

[Medvedenko]

I like the Suns team with Odom....they would be a lot better half court team....with Odom holding it down on the lower block it would work.

[stretch]

Are you telling me that a starting lineup of...

Nash
Raja
Grant
Odom
Amare

Doesn't bother you a little? Especially given the fact that Odom is more of a force against the Spurs than Marion?

The Suns might lose a couple games more in the regular season. But if Odom (I really doubt Kirilenko is coming here, no way the Suns trade Marion to an already stacked Jazz team) is ready for the playoffs, the Suns are going to be formidable.
Why would anyone be afraid of a team with less athleticism, less rebounding, more injury prone players, and *gasp* even less defense than we thought was humanly possible for a team to play?

[Xylus]

Why would anyone be afraid of a team with less athleticism, less rebounding, more injury prone players, and *gasp* even less defense than we thought was humanly possible for a team to play?
We should etch this in stone somewhere, come back to it at the end of the year, and see who was right.

We become slightly less athletic, and our defense does take a hit. But Odom is 3 inches taller than Marion, averages approximately the same amount of rebounds as Marion, is a better playmaker, and can create his own shot.

[da_suns_fan__]

Ha...a better question would be "Will the Suns start off perfect in the month of November". Looking at their schedule, there won't be a single game where they won't be heavily favored to win until late December when they head to Texas to play San Antonio and Dallas.

Also...the word via local sports radio is that the coaching staff is grinning ear to ear after watching Grant Hill in informal workouts these past couple of weeks. They think he's going to be a major contributor this season.

I think there's a ten percent chance Marion is traded. And a trade for Lamar Odom would probably help them against the Spurs. Marion helps them more in the regular season but Odom is a better playoff performer. Either way, should be an interesting season.

[anakha]

Are you telling me that a starting lineup of...

Nash
Raja
Grant
Odom
Amare

Doesn't bother you a little? Especially given the fact that Odom is more of a force against the Spurs than Marion?

The Suns might lose a couple games more in the regular season. But if Odom (I really doubt Kirilenko is coming here, no way the Suns trade Marion to an already stacked Jazz team) is ready for the playoffs, the Suns are going to be formidable.

Overall, yes that lineup does look good.

But you gotta consider also that with this lineup, Phoenix is gonna hope more than ever that San Antonio and Dallas meet up early in the playoffs before they face either team.

Marion's versatility on defense, capable of playing defense against Parker and against Nowitzki, will most definitely not be matched by Odom. Should this trade occur, Phoenix is gonna wind up with slightly worse matchups against both teams. And as shown in these recent playoffs, matchups can mean everything.

[BushDynasty]

Ha...a better quetion would be "Will the Suns start off perfect in the month of November".

You kinda lost me on "quetion" ... not really sure whatcha mean ... but perhaps like that other fella said we should etch these words in stone.

[da_suns_fan__]

You kinda lost me on "quetion" ... not really sure whatcha mean ... but perhaps like that other fella said we should etch these words in stone.

Fixed.

[nkdlunch]

Ha...a better question would be "Will the Suns start off perfect in the month of November". Looking at their schedule, there won't be a single game where they won't be heavily favored to win until late December when they head to Texas to play San Antonio and Dallas.

Also...the word via local sports radio is that the coaching staff is grinning ear to ear after watching Grant Hill in informal workouts these past couple of weeks. They think he's going to be a major contributor this season.

I think there's a ten percent chance Marion is traded. And a trade for Lamar Odom would probably help them against the Spurs. Marion helps them more in the regular season but Odom is a better playoff performer. Either way, should be an interesting season.

translation: 'I'm looking forward to a great regular season"

[anakha]

You kinda lost me on "quetion" ... not really sure whatcha mean ... but perhaps like that other fella said we should etch these words in stone.






You kinda lost me on "quetion" ... not really sure whatcha mean ... but perhaps like that other fella said we should etch these words in stone.

Fixed.


Um, what?

[Xylus]

Overall, I don't think Marion is going anywhere. And I don't think his presence will affect chemistry as badly as most of you think.

Difficult to tell at this point, though.

[SpursDynasty]

That's just it. The Suns haven't been a contender since 2005, if you could even call them contenders back then. They had a healthy and more dominant Amare and a slightly younger Nash. But that was the end of it. They've been shit since then. They got blown out 4-1 in the WCF's by the NBA Champion Spurs.

The Suns not winning a championship shouldn't be seen as a huge shock or disappointment: They were never contenders to begin with, and if they ever were, it was 2005 at best.

[stretch]

We should etch this in stone somewhere, come back to it at the end of the year, and see who was right.

We become slightly less athletic, and our defense does take a hit. But Odom is 3 inches taller than Marion, averages approximately the same amount of rebounds as Marion, is a better playmaker, and can create his own shot.
Obviously you missed the point of my post. I'm not just talking about Odom. The team as a whole. Grant plays no defense and is always hurt. Trading away Kurt Thomas was trading away their only decent post defender. If they trade Marion, that is even LESS defense, less athleticism, and a player who plays lazy 75% of the time, as opposed to Marion who always plays hard. And he is not nearly as good of a rebounder as Marion. Odom is definitely more talented and a better shot creator and ball handler than Marion, but that lazy play is going to kill the Suns. The Suns need that 120% effort that Marion gives them every night. It will be a much bigger loss than you would think, if you guys lost Marion.

[stretch]

Also...the word via local sports radio is that the coaching staff is grinning ear to ear after watching Grant Hill in informal workouts these past couple of weeks. They think he's going to be a major contributor this season.

He may be, until he gets hurt 15 games into the season and is done for.

[stretch]

Fixed.
You are fucking retarded. There was no change at all. You are officially now the Suns version of Spursdynasty. Now you just need to change your name to Jeff and go drum in a local band.

[Xylus]

Obviously you missed the point of my post. I'm not just talking about Odom. The team as a whole. Grant plays no defense and is always hurt. Trading away Kurt Thomas was trading away their only decent post defender. If they trade Marion, that is even LESS defense, less athleticism, and a player who plays lazy 75% of the time, as opposed to Marion who always plays hard. And he is not nearly as good of a rebounder as Marion. Odom is definitely more talented and a better shot creator and ball handler than Marion, but that lazy play is going to kill the Suns. The Suns need that 120% effort that Marion gives them every night. It will be a much bigger loss than you would think, if you guys lost Marion.
I'm aware of what Marion brings to the table. I love the guy.

But the loss of Marion (not a complete loss, either, if Odom fills that hole) isn't going to bankrupt our team, especially with Nash, Amare, Bell, Diaw and Barbosa still in the lineup. As for Grant Hill, if he can contribute more than James Jones, I'll be happy.

[stretch]

I'm aware of what Marion brings to the table. I love the guy.

But the loss of Marion (not a complete loss, either, if Odom fills that hole) isn't going to bankrupt our team, especially with Nash, Amare, Bell, Diaw and Barbosa still in the lineup. As for Grant Hill, if he can contribute more than James Jones, I'll be happy.
I'm not saying it will bankrupt your team, but you won't get any better, especially against teams like San Antonio or Dallas. The matchups you guys have, and the ability to outrun and overwhelm us with athleticism is what give you guys a chance to beat us. Losing Marion will be a HUGE hit in the run and gun game, as well as the matchup battle. I think the Suns would be very stupid to trade Marion, as I do not think they will have much more time to win a title, because Nash is getting old and breaking down more. This may be their last legit chance, IMO.

[Findog]

da_suns_fan vs SpursDynasty. CRIPPLE FIGHT!

[Xylus]

I'm not saying it will bankrupt your team, but you won't get any better, especially against teams like San Antonio or Dallas. The matchups you guys have, and the ability to outrun and overwhelm us with athleticism is what give you guys a chance to beat us. Losing Marion will be a HUGE hit in the run and gun game, as well as the matchup battle. I think the Suns would be very stupid to trade Marion, as I do not think they will have much more time to win a title, because Nash is getting old and breaking down more. This may be their last legit chance, IMO.
I agree that the Suns shouldn't trade Marion, and I agree that the acquisitions we've made don't outweigh what we've lost.

The Suns will continue to contend, however.

[da_suns_fan__]

Fucking morons (Shred, anakha).

Figure it out....I know you can.

[Findog]

Fucking morons (Shred, anakha).

Figure it out....I know you can.

Defense wins titles
flashy dunks wins top ratings
give me the Nielsens

[stretch]

I agree that the Suns shouldn't trade Marion, and I agree that the acquisitions we've made don't outweigh what we've lost.

The Suns will continue to contend, however.
Contend for playoffs? Yea, no doubt. Contend to go deep in the playoffs? Possibly. Title? Uhh... no. They are worse defensively, worse at rebounding, and won't be able to run like they used to either. They didn't win a title before such changes that may or may not happen, and with Nash getting older, and all other circumstances, I really don't see them being nearly as serious of contenders if they get rid of Marion.

[stretch]

da_suns_fan vs SpursDynasty. CRIPPLE FIGHT!
I dunno... I think SpursDynasty will win, because I think he just tries to act stupid nowadays. But da_suns_fan is simply just that stupid and ignorant, and believes he actually knows what the fuck he is talking about.

[da_suns_fan__]

Defense wins titles
flashy dunks wins top ratings
give me the Nielsens

Amare still looms.
Steve Nash will never give up.
Suns the team to beat.

[stretch]

Amare still looms.
Steve Nash will never give up.
Suns the team to beat.

You are an idiot.
Shut the fuck up.
Get the fuck out.

[da_suns_fan__]

I dunno... I think SpursDynasty will win, because I think he just tries to act stupid nowadays. But da_suns_fan is simply just that stupid and ignorant, and believes he actually knows what the fuck he is talking about.


Did you figure it out yet?

I wish I could have been there when you realized how stupid you were.

"Oh."

- Stretch

[da_suns_fan__]

Ha ha...Stretch's avatar fits!

[Findog]

Amare still looms.
Steve Nash will never give up.
Suns the team to beat.

Amare still dumb
Steve Nash will never play D
Suns will lose again

[stretch]

Did you figure it out yet?

I wish I could have been there when you realized how stupid you were.

"Oh."

- Stretch
:wtf What the fuck are you talking about?

[da_suns_fan__]

:wtf What the fuck are you talking about?


:lol

Still clueless? Cmon Stretch! I bet you can figure it out!

[stretch]

:lol

Still clueless? Cmon Stretch! I bet you can figure it out!
Uhmmm... that you are an idiot trying to act like we were having a prior discussion that never took place, in order to make it look like you owned me in a past thread?

:dizzy

Fuckin' pathetic DSF... fuckin' pathetic...

[da_suns_fan__]

Uhmmm... that you are an idiot trying to act like we were having a prior discussion that never took place, in order to make it look like you owned me in a past thread?

:dizzy

Fuckin' pathetic DSF... fuckin' pathetic...

No...this thread...but you still don't get it.

[Findog]

No...this thread...but you still don't get it.

Yeah, stretch, don't you get it, according to some made-up and completely arbitrary criteria da_suns-fan just came up with?

[da_suns_fan__]

I'll give you a hint...I never quote someone and change their posts. This is amatuerish.

I don't pretend to own people by quoting what they SHOULD have said (a FinDog tactic)...I own them by what they DID say.

[stretch]

Yeah, stretch, don't you get it, according to some made-up and completely arbitrary criteria da_suns-fan just came up with?
Oh. Makes sense now... lol

[stretch]

I'll give you a hint...I never quote someone and change their posts. This is amatuerish.

I don't pretend to own people by quoting what they SHOULD have said (a FinDog tactic)...I own them by what they DID say.
Is that supposed to be funny? Or make a point? Or did you just want to make a post for the fuck of it?

[da_suns_fan__]

Yeah, stretch, don't you get it, according to some made-up and completely arbitrary criteria da_suns-fan just came up with?


Ive really done a number on you, haven't I?

Note to self: If you publicly embarass someone over and over and over again, they're going to follow you from thread to thread attacking you with rage!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Findog]

Ive really done a number on you, haven't I?

Note to self: If you publicly embarass someone over and over and over again, they're going to follow you from thread to thread attacking you with rage!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol

I'll be honest, I have a mean streak. I'm the kind of person that bullies retarded kids over and over for laughs. It explains our little dynamic.

[da_suns_fan__]

Is that supposed to be funny? Or make a point? Or did you just want to make a post for the fuck of it?


You know what? Forget it. Youre too dumb. Some texan with half a brain will come along and explain that both you and Anakha are morons.

[Kamnik]

I personally dont even think about the Suns if Spurs go into the playoffs with good health...

The one team that worries me way more than the Suns at this moment are the JAZZ-if they get Marion in place of AK.

Williams-Marion-Boozer would be way more dangerous to the Spurs than Nash-AK-Amare.

Deron showed signs of being a dominant player in the playoffs. If he develops even more they become a threat to the Spurs. (if they get Marion)



If Odom goes to the Suns their defense officially becomes non existant. :drunk And AK would fit in much worse than Marion.

[stretch]

You know what? Forget it. Youre too dumb. Some texan with half a brain will come along and explain that both you and Anakha are morons.
Or perhaps no one thought it was remotely funny, or made any sense, or was even worth posting.

[Walter Craparita]

What effect on ratings will trading Marion for Odom have?

That's the important question.

[anakha]

Fucking morons (Shred, anakha).

Figure it out....I know you can.

Translated from dumbshit to English:

'I know I just owned myself in trying to correct someone, so I'm gonna pass it off as being something no one is smart enough to understand.'

Then why call it 'Fixed' if nothing was changed then?

:lmao

[da_suns_fan__]

Translated from dumbshit to English:

'I know I just owned myself in trying to correct someone, so I'm gonna pass it off as being something no one is smart enough to understand.'

Then why call it 'Fixed' if nothing was changed then?

:lmao


Youre getting WARMER!!!!!!

Think hard...re-read the posts....look at my hints.

If you can't figure it out by tomorrow night, I'll tell ya why youre a moron.

[anakha]

Youre getting WARMER!!!!!!

Think hard...re-read the posts....look at my hints.

If you can't figure it out by tomorrow night, I'll tell ya why youre a moron.

I'll be waiting with bated breath... :rolleyes

Either way, any insight into your peculiar little mind will be entertainment enough. :lol

[monosylab1k]

I love the cock.

[da_suns_fan__]

I'll be waiting with bated breath... :rolleyes

Either way, any insight into your peculiar little mind will be entertainment enough. :lol

The Suspense it TERRIBLE!!!!!

Here's another hint......

I wasn't correcting BushDynasty you moron.

Hey Monos.....isn't it about time for you to head for the nearest telephone booth and turn into da_suns_fan_???

[monosylab1k]

Hey Monos please stop owning me I'm desperate and have nothing left

[da_suns_fan__]

Thats NO WAY to speak to your MENTOR!

[monosylab1k]

Thats NO WAY to speak to your PUNCHING BAG!

[anakha]

My typing skills are TERRIBLE!!!!!


Truth. :lmao



Here's another hint......

I wasn't correcting BushDynasty you moron.

Hey Monos.....isn't it about time for you to head for the nearest telephone booth and turn into da_suns_fan_???

Don't know if you were correcting him or not, and don't really care.

Watching you take a day to come up with a halfway coherent excuse is gonna be hilarious, though. :lol

[barbacoataco]

If the Suns lose Marion they would be taking a big risk. I really don't think they will trade him. They would lose a lot of their run and gun style that revolves around Nash and Marion. Also, if they got someone like Kirilenko or Odom, they would only have one good perimeter defender (Raja Bell.) How would they defend teams like the Spurs or Mavs who have multiple perimeter scoring threats? Last year Marion defended Parker most of the time, with Bell on Ginobili. Without Marion the Suns can't stop Duncan or Parker.

[Suns_Rule]

Odom is 10 times better than marion could ever be. marion is a good guy and i love him to death along with amare. but odom is going to be a pimp on the court.
be scared timmy duncan and spurs fanatics. grant hill is a beast and nash is working all off-season on defense. i will bet anyone here that nash is going to win DPOY next season. amare is going to come back and own it whether he runs on the court or not... he will slam dunk it like a kid dunks an oreo in milk.
i worship the suns they are gods to me. spurs suck thats why i spend all my time on a spurs forum because the dumb spurs fans have to know that stern gave them the 07 championship.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol Great troll.

[da_suns_fan__]

Truth. :lmao



Don't know if you were correcting him or not, and don't really care.

Watching you take a day to come up with a halfway coherent excuse is gonna be hilarious, though. :lol

Ok.....I think youve waited long enough.

BushDynasty sarcastically informed me that I spelled "question" wrong in my original post.

So I FIXED it.

In my post.

You'll notice that the post was FIXED before you typed a thing as you can see the correction in ndklunch's quotation.

Seems simple enough, right? But neither you nor Shred had half the wits to figure it out.

"HE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING!!! MORON! SPURSDYNASTY!! MORON!!!"

Now I know how JD felt when he revealed the solution of the "30 cents" riddle to the janitor and harley dude.
:lol :lol :lol

[Mister Sinister]

Ok.....I think youve waited long enough.

BushDynasty sarcastically informed me that I spelled "question" wrong in my original post.

So I FIXED it.

In my post.

You'll notice that the post was FIXED before you typed a thing as you can see the correction in ndklunch's quotation.

Seems simple enough, right? But neither you nor Shred had half the wits to figure it out.

"HE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING!!! MORON! SPURSDYNASTY!! MORON!!!"

Now I know how JD felt when he revealed the solution of the "30 cents" riddle to the janitor and harley dude.
:lol :lol :lol
Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step away from the Internet. You're just too fucking stupid.

[anakha]

Ok.....I think youve waited long enough.

BushDynasty sarcastically informed me that I spelled "question" wrong in my original post.

So I FIXED it.

In my post.

You'll notice that the post was FIXED before you typed a thing as you can see the correction in ndklunch's quotation.

Seems simple enough, right? But neither you nor Shred had half the wits to figure it out.

"HE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING!!! MORON! SPURSDYNASTY!! MORON!!!"

Now I know how JD felt when he revealed the solution of the "30 cents" riddle to the janitor and harley dude.
:lol :lol :lol

:lmao :lmao :lmao

THAT'S your big announcement? That you can't type for shit?

[monosylab1k]

I cry alot

[SpursDynasty]

Teams who think they're ENTITLED to a championship will never win a championship. That's why Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Payton didn't win it in '04.

[mavs>spurs2]

Kevin Durant - the 2007-2008 Rookie of the Year. Thank you for not getting injured and taking care of yourself like a high draft pick should

:lol

[mavs>spurs2]

Real drummers also take good care of themselves

cant be getting hurt right before the big break

[da_suns_fan__]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

THAT'S your big announcement? That you can't type for shit?


Whats sad is I have to explain to you kids what FIXED means.

Morons. Give Texas back to Mexico.

[DOMINATOR]

Morons. Give Texas back to Mexico.
wow... i could say the same thing about arizona.

[anakha]

Whats sad is I have to explain to you kids what FIXED means.

Morons. Give Texas back to Mexico.

It's not like your problem is that hard to fix. Vocational typing courses are pretty common nowadays.

And yet again, d_s_f owns himself in assuming only Americans shit on him.

[Walter Craparita]

Morons. Give Texas back to Mexico.

We are LOL