PAO vs Rockets 11th, PAO vs Spurs 13th

[Indazone]

Panathinaikos coming soon to a basketball court near you. With a roster consisiting of former NBA players Sarunas Jasikevicius, Vassilis Spanoulis, and Milos Vujanic. All of them carrying a chip on their shoulders from their NBA experiences to prove that they belong. Will Jasikevicious and Spanoulis light it up? Will Tim Duncan, Parker and Ginobili prove to be too much for PAO? Can the Rockets pull their new team together and will PAO compete? Spanoulis has much to prove here.

(It's Rocky Balboa and the Eye of the Tiger all over again)


PANA VS ROCKETS OCT. 11th 7:30 PM

PANA VS SPURS OCT 13th 7:30 PM

PANA"S ROSTER

Roster

No. Player Country Pos. Height Age
- DIAMANTIDIS, DIMITRIOS Greece Guard 1.96 1980
- ZIZIC, ANDRIJA Croatia Center 2.06 1980
- HATZIVRETTAS, NIKOS Greece Guard 1.95 1977
- XANTHOPOULOS, VASILIOS Greece Guard 1.86 1984
- WINSTON, KENNEDY United States Forward 1.98 1984
- PERPEROGLOU, EFSTRATIOS Greece Forward 2.03 1984
- SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Greece Guard 1.93 1982
- VUJANIC, MILOS Serbia Guard 1.90 1980
- JASIKEVICIUS, SARUNAS Lithuania Guard 1.93 1976
- TSARTSARIS, KOSTAS Greece Forward 2.09 1979
- DIKOUDIS, DEMOS Greece Forward 2.06 1977
- TOMASEVIC, DEJAN Serbia Center 2.08 1973
- ALVERTIS, FRAGISKOS Greece Forward 2.06 1974
- BATISTE, MICHAEL United States Forward 2.04 1977
- BECIROVIC, SANI Slovenia Guard 1.95 1981


Spurs Roster

2007-08 Roster
NUM PLAYER POS HT WT DOB FROM YRS
17 Brent Barry G 6-7 210 12/31/1971 Oregon State 12
15 Matt Bonner F 6-10 240 04/05/1980 Florida 3
12 Bruce Bowen F 6-7 200 06/14/1971 Cal State Fullerton 11
21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260 04/25/1976 Wake Forest 10
16 Francisco Elson C 7-0 235 02/28/1976 California 4
4 Michael Finley G-F 6-7 225 03/06/1973 Wisconsin 12
20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 205 07/28/1977 Argentina 5
25 Robert Horry F-C 6-10 240 08/25/1970 Alabama 15
28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 11/05/1986 R
7 Fabricio Oberto F 6-10 245 03/21/1975 Argentina 2
9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180 05/17/1982 France 6
Tiago Splitter ** C 6-11 232 01/01/1985 Brazil R
5 Ime Udoka G-F 6-5 220 08/09/1977 Portland State 3
14 Beno Udrih G 6-3 200 07/05/1982 Slovenia 3
11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 02/11/1975 Kansas 10



Rockets Roster

31 Shane Battier F 6-8 220 09/09/1978 Duke 6
Aaron Brooks G 6-0 160 01/14/1985 Oregon R
Jackie Butler C 6-10 260 03/10/1985 Coastal Christian Academy (VA) 3
3 Steve Francis G 6-3 210 02/21/1977 Maryland 8
Mike Harris F 6-6 240 06/15/1983 Rice R
44 Chuck Hayes F 6-6 238 06/11/1983 Kentucky 2
2 Luther Head G 6-3 185 11/26/1982 Illinois 2
7 Mike James G 6-2 195 06/23/1975 Duquesne 6
15 John Lucas III G 5-11 165 11/21/1982 Oklahoma State 2
1 Tracy McGrady F-G 6-8 223 05/24/1979 Mount Zion Christian Acad. HS (NC) 10
55 Dikembe Mutombo (FA) C 7-2 260 06/25/1966 Georgetown 16
20 Steve Novak F 6-10 220 06/13/1984 Marquette 1
9 Justin Reed F 6-9 238 01/16/1982 Mississippi 3
Luis Scola F 6-9 230 04/30/1980 Argentina R
13 Kirk Snyder G 6-6 225 06/05/1983 Nevada-Reno 3
6 Bonzi Wells G-F 6-5 210 09/28/1976 Ball State 9
11 Yao Ming C 7-6 310 09/12/1980 China 5

[Solid D]

28 Ian Mahinmi? Is that his NBA draft number?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Nope it's official. Ian Mahinmi will be wearing #28.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/roster.jpg

http://www.nba.com/spurs/roster

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs RosterYou left out the five training camp guys who are going to play substantial minutes and will keep the game from being a true matchup between these two teams.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You left out the five training camp guys who are going to play substantial minutes and will keep the game from being a true matchup between these two teams.

PAO do same things. Most player not even play much yet. Not just NBA team in exhibition.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

This be our update roster.


C Batiste/Zizic/Tomašević

PF Tsartsaris/Dikoudis/Alvertis

SF Winston/Hatzivrettas/Perperoglou

SG Bečirović/Spanoulis/Zahariev

PG Diamantidis/Jasikevičius/Vujanić
/Tatarounis

Tatarounis just 18 and Zahariev just 16. Main problem our player up front not so big.

Batiste 6-8 225
Tsartsaris 6-10 245
Dikoudis 6-9 235
Alvertis 6-9 225
Zizic 6-10 235
Tomasevic 6-10 250

Main problem have be play Spurs. Spanoulis and Saras have plays better Parker head verse head many time already. Diamantidis be guards Manu. Problems be who guards Duncan.

[meta2007]

Is VSpan is the start sg for PAO?

I thought he was a pg.


This be our update roster.


C Batiste/Zizic/Tomašević

PF Tsartsaris/Dikoudis/Alvertis

SF Winston/Hatzivrettas/Perperoglou

SG Bečirović/Spanoulis/Zahariev

PG Diamantidis/Jasikevičius/Vujanić
/Tatarounis

Tatarounis just 18 and Zahariev just 16. Main problem our player up front not so big.

Batiste 6-8 225
Tsartsaris 6-10 245
Dikoudis 6-9 235
Alvertis 6-9 225
Zizic 6-10 235
Tomasevic 6-10 250

Main problem have be play Spurs. Spanoulis and Saras have plays better Parker head verse head many time already. Diamantidis be guards Manu. Problems be who guards Duncan.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Is VSpan is the start sg for PAO?

I thought he was a pg.

He unique player really. He play points or shooting guard same well really. He also play start or 6th man equal. He only player really along Papaloukas with CSKA all Euroleague as good more one position and bench or start and still be best player off bench.

He only player I remember long time be always top scorer off bench. He play Maroussi Honda as 6 man he lead team scoring. He 2nd whole league scoring Greek League and ULEB Euroleague. One year he get 3rd MVP Greece league off bench Maroussi and 2nd MVP ULEB Euroleague. Different year with them as 6 man he get 2nd MVP Greece league and 2nd MVP ULEB Euroleague. He 2nd whole league in Greece and all ULEB Euroleagues in scoring and assist OFF BENCH! Player just like Manu!

He play 6 man Panathinaikos and he lead team in scoring. He also play 6 man with Greece nationals team and he lead Greece in scoring 2006 World Champions and 2007 European Champions both time he come off bench.

He mainly be only player Europe can score 15 point a game average off bench, play maybe like 25 -26 minute a game.

Only thing he make worse be shooting guard is if he not have ball so much. He better player have ball in hands for sure and play picks and rolls. he best player all Europe picks and rolls even better Saras.

But even be not have ball in hands in 2005-2006 year in Panathinaikos and even be bench player and be 3 or 4 option team he still lead team scoring 15-16 point game Euroleague. If he have ball in hands probably score like 25 point game Euroleague.

This all be why many peoples compares him Manu for be so good from bench or starts. Similars also play shooting guard but run offense, so people compares him Manu.

But in Euroleague his nickname be "Euro Kobe" This because he be unstops scorer if he decide take ball. He get nickname for hard play, unstops as scorer, always take last shot of game and also some fan think he selfish with ball. He consider best scorer Europe but also "selfish points guard"

But in Hellas his nickname be "Greek Steve Nash" because he have play with Maroussi like Steve Nash and be best scorer and probable best passer in Greece. He have be best in assist Greece before join Panathianikos. Then he be used as scorer and get nickname "Euro Kobe" from non-Panathianikos fan.

So depend what you call him 6 man, starts, point guard, shootings guard but all really just because he be like Manu and also he do however coach ask. he never cares start or bench.

Remembers to Europe not same in ways bench or starts, Saras maybe bench he considers most famous point guard Europe also Papaloukas play off bench CSKA and he have been Euroleague MVP and Final Fours MVP plus he have nickname in Europe "The Legend"

Europe player if coach ask them help team more as 6 man and they special player to do so they agree like Manu do Spurs, not like NBA player go crazy and yell to coach he not start.

[Indazone]

Actually for PAO with both the Rockets and the Spurs is who is going to match up against either teams big men. Yao will cause a lot of problems in the post and Duncan will be the same issue. Can PAO limit Yao's or Duncan's touches? It's basically PAO's perimeter and guard based team play against the inside power of the Rockets and Spurs.

Additionally, Parker and Ginobili can be dangerous slashing type players for the Spurs. Oberto and Elson. Good role players. Bowen will probably end up defending Spanoulis.

With the Rockets, they gotta stop McGrady, and maybe Bonzi Wells. Tough matchups with both teams for PAO.

[Indazone]

Anyone heard of any broadcast information for these two games?

[picnroll]

Second game of the pre-season, based on past pre-seasons the main players for Spurs will play a half at most, probably considrably less.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Second game of the pre-season, based on past pre-seasons the main players for Spurs will play a half at most, probably considrably less.

But why all Amerikan fan act like this only for NBA team? PAO not even hardly have star player practice much yet. Some player like Spanoulis, Saras, Diamantidis, Hatzivrettas these player just have to play ALL SUMMER in European Championships. Spanoulis and Diamantidis have admit they exhausts and Saras have admit his body not even hold up well after NBA year plus play all summer. Not just Spurs team not be full strength.

[ChumpDumper]

So both teams are going to tank it. I declare that the Spurs are better at tanking and will win any tanking contest with any old Euro team.

Go Keith Langford!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So both teams are going to tank it. I declare that the Spurs are better at tanking and will win any tanking contest with any old Euro team.

Go Keith Langford!

Yes both team probably not care and even told so for markting both team be either too tired or not ready. Panathinaikos be plays all their young player now even like say have 16 year old and 18 year old player on team!

[Indazone]

Geesh what a letdown. Here I was hoping for some grudge match from the Ex NBA'rs

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Geesh what a letdown. Here I was hoping for some grudge match from the Ex NBA'rs

No Saras be injured and tired and just walk through so far with team. Spanoulis have say he so tired from all year NBA and plays all summer national team he have to take week of rest. So fars he play one exhibiton game and play hardly much but did scores 10 points off bench little play time.

Mainly be now team plays Kennety Winston and player like this to get them ready. Vujanic be not even play till Euroleague and probable someone not even play Ethniki. Not sure Vujanic may not be even roster. He not even needed till Euroleague so team allow him take rest of year off.

[Indazone]

If I were them, I'd want to prove something. Bring their "A" game.

[Indazone]

I still think that Spanoulis is going to be out for blood when they play the Rockets. He has much to prove and pride in him to take a back seat. He might say he doesn't care but when the actual day comes, he's gonna want to scorch them.

[Indazone]

I believe these games will be broadcast on SopCast.com

[hater]

Pop should play Duncan,Manu,Parker for 5 minutes each. The euros will not prove anything.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

PAO beata AEL Larissas 96-70 Saras and Diamantidis hardly even needs play benches most game and Spanoulis injured so no plays. Still we win 96-70. Greens have 45-15 lead at halftime and coach bench mainly most all team key players all second half and still win by 26!

http://www.sport.gr/basket/hellas08/071003/paoael3.asp

[Indazone]

So the Greek Team might actually give the Spurs and Rockets a run for their money? Course the Spurs have a history of playing hard even in exhibition games. Last year they played their starters to beat European Power Tel Avi Maccabi in an exhibition game.

http://www.nba.com/games/20061008/SASTEL/boxscore.html

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So the Greek Team might actually give the Spurs and Rockets a run for their money? Course the Spurs have a history of playing hard even in exhibition games. Last year they played their starters to beat European Power Tel Avi Maccabi in an exhibition game.

http://www.nba.com/games/20061008/SASTEL/boxscore.html


Last 2 year PAO go 36-3 in Greece A1 Ethniki! And this league not so bad 2 other Euroleague team in A1 Aris Salonica and Olympiacos Piraeus, and Olympiakos is one of top 3 team in Euroleague. Those team only go 32-7 for Oly and 31-8 for Aris in A1. This year PAO team better last year team.

Last year PAO team have all-Euroleague 2nd team small forward Siskauskus but this year team let him gos and replaces him with Spanoulis who is much better player.

Thens we add Jasekivicius to team. We replace Spurs draft pick Javtokas with Zizic because Javtokas hardly plays. Last years we win Euroleague championships with record of 20-4!

So this year team maybe have chance go all year no loss. But best scorer on team is Spanoulis and now he be at injure place so to play Spurs and Rocket we not have best scorer. With not have team best scorer doubt PAO have chance.

[Indazone]

Maybe Sarunas can pick up the scoring load?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Maybe Sarunas can pick up the scoring load?

He be one of 2 best shooters on team also with Becirovic and he is best passer on team, but Spanoulis much better scorer than him really.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://www.paobc.gr/en/news.asp?news_id=753

PAO demolished AEK by 83-65
4/10/2007

Although AEK beat Panathinaikos by 71-57 at the ΄΄Tasos Koutalianos΄΄ tournament taking advantage of the latter΄s absences, today the tables were turned. The two teams met in Lemessos for the 2nd day of the AEL tournament and the European Champions had their revenge. It was more than a victory. Panathinaikos demolished AEK by 83-65 making a real power show off. It took 20΄ for the Champions to wake up but once they were up and running at full speed, AEK seemed unable to react, especially at the second half during which Zeliko Obradovic΄s players were unstoppable. During the first half, ΑΕΚ circulated the ball fairly well and thanks to their correct offensive choices managed to show a menacing face and take a 21-20 lead. But not for long. During the second period Panathinaikos took control of the game. With Mike Batist being very effective in offence and the defense blocking the way to basket, Panathinaikos ran by 38-30 in the 18΄ and head to the lockers with a 4 point lead (38-34). During the second half Panathinaikos stole the show with excellent performance in offense and defense and easy baskets with Vujanic, Perperoglou and Zizic being the best scorers. The margin reached 19 points (28΄ 65-46) and after that victory came easily lifting the spirits for today΄s game against Hapoel Jerusalem (16.00) for the 1st place in the tournament. *After the game Zeliko Obradovic said: «This game is more important from yesterday΄s one against AEK. AEK, although tired played well. Playing everyday is not easy and this can be seen by the 24 mistakes we made. It was a good opportunity to see where we are going in terms of offence and defense. I am satisfied with the new players and it helps that Winston, Zizic and Perperoglou are with us from the beginning. Jasikevicius is a smart player and will be ready very soon. I am sorry that Spanoulis who is such enthusiastic and motivated, is not with us» Score by periods: 20-21, 38-34, 66-49, 83-65 PANATHINAIKOS: Alvertis 1, Perperoglou 11 (1), Vujanic 13 (3), Becirovic 4, Batist 13, Zizic 11, Jasikevicius 5 (1), Dikoudis 5 (1), Tsartsaris 5, Diamantidis 10 (1), Winston 5 (1), Tomacevic 5. ΑΕΚ: Wesson 4, Tsamis 8 (2), Simcak 9, Tapoutos 7 (1), Kiritsis 13 (1), Chatzis 11 (3), Barlos 5, Lee 6 (1), Pirson 2, Vasilievic, Charissis, Sioutis. *Today΄s tournament schedule is: PAO - Hapoel Jerusalem (16.00), AEL - AEK (18.30)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Saras say to reporter 'I wouldn't want to know the IQ test results of most NBA players' when he be ask how PAO do in game against Spurs and Rockets and how also player like him and Spanoulis not play NBA.

I see this in paper and friend translate it for me.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Coach of PAO team Obradovic have say he prefer to stay home at Athens because games means no matter and team not care if win or lose he tell them just use for practice and play player ready for season and not get hurt. Team told play easy.

Look like PAO lose both game :rolleyes

But maybe have chance?

http://www.nba.com/games/20071006/MINEPT/boxscore.html

[Bruno]

Euroleague is the league where players with no BB skills and no BBIQ can succeed. The best example of that is Marcus Haislip. Scrubevicius should just STFU.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Euroleague is the league where players with no BB skills and no BBIQ can succeed. The best example of that is Marcus Haislip. Scrubevicius should just STFU.

Maybe Spur and Rocket see what he say and be mad?

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe Spur and Rocket see what he say and be mad?Probably not. After all, those guys are still in the NBA.

[Bruno]

Maybe Spur and Rocket see what he say and be mad?

I think the pre-season game that Spurs don't want to lose is the game against Pana. Parker always said that Spurs don't want a nba team that lost games against euroleague teams.

[picnroll]

Saras say to reporter 'I wouldn't want to know the IQ test results of most NBA players' when he be ask how PAO do in game against Spurs and Rockets and how also player like him and Spanoulis not play NBA.

I see this in paper and friend translate it for me.
Qyntel Woods just put up 29 pointe 8 rebs, 4 assts for Olympiacos.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.nba.com/games/20071006/MINEPT/boxscore.html

How come Loren Woods doesn't show up on that box? He started for Efes.

[Pero]

Euroleague is the league where players with no BB skills and no BBIQ can succeed. The best example of that is Marcus Haislip. Scrubevicius should just STFU.

You assume he was talking about basketball IQ. :lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I think the pre-season game that Spurs don't want to lose is the game against Pana. Parker always said that Spurs don't want a nba team that lost games against euroleague teams.

This bad for PAO after best scorer not play because injured and now coach tell them take game not so serious.

[Bruno]

You assume he was talking about basketball IQ. :lol

I don't really see how he can speak about IQ after having spend the summer with Lavrinovic brothers. :)

[Indazone]

Saras say to reporter 'I wouldn't want to know the IQ test results of most NBA players' when he be ask how PAO do in game against Spurs and Rockets and how also player like him and Spanoulis not play NBA.

I see this in paper and friend translate it for me.

Those are fighting words. Maybe it'll light a fire under Duncan and Parker which will probably mean a beatdown by the Spurs. Spurs always play hard even when the game is meaningless. Look at last year's exhibition games.

[Pero]

I don't really see how he can speak about IQ after having spend the summer with Lavrinovic brothers. :)

:lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Euroleague is the league where players with no BB skills and no BBIQ can succeed. The best example of that is Marcus Haislip. Scrubevicius should just STFU.

http://www.nba.com/games/20071009/MEMMAL/boxscore.html

He have 18 point 11 rebound 4 assist 2 steal and 1 block and his team best Memphis 102-99.

[Indazone]

Hmm and the Grizzlies even played their starters major minutes. They were playing to win.

[Pero]

So did Unicaja.

[ata]

I don't really see how he can speak about IQ after having spend the summer with Lavrinovic brothers. :)
Good one. :lmao

[Indazone]

Tonight PAO vs Rockets

I think you can get the game televised on Sopcast http://www.sopcast.com/

[Indazone]

I think it'll be on CCTV5 All you have to do is download the program and look for the game at the appointed time.

Thu 11 vs Panathinaikos Preseason 7:30pm

[Indazone]

M'bad, the Pana game will be broadcast on SHTV not CCTV for the Rockets on the 11th on Sopcast. Still can't find out any information on the Spurs PAO game. Anyone else got any info?

[Roxsfan]

M'bad, the Pana game will be broadcast on SHTV not CCTV for the Rockets on the 11th on Sopcast. Still can't find out any information on the Spurs PAO game. Anyone else got any info?


Wow, I'm so scared of the Pantytacos coming to H-town

*shaking*

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Wow, I'm so scared of the Pantytacos coming to H-town

*shaking*

Last year Barcelona beat Sixers. Last year CSKA Moscow beat Clippers by 20 points. Two year ago Lottomattica Roma beat Raptors in Canada. Macabbi Tel-Aviv also have beat NBA team at NBA home before.

This year Celtic beat Raptors by 4 points then Raptors only beat Lottomatica by 4 points. Unicaja Malaga beat Grizzlies by 3 points and Grizzlies play starters all to finish game.

Timberwolve only beat Efes Pilsen by 4 points. So far NBA team only equal 4 point better. You compares Panathinaikos to any of these team likie Lottomatica, Efes, Unicaja be like compares Spurs to Timberwolve.

Even though best scorer of team Spanoulis not play, still Panathinaikos team very capable can beat Rocket if really wish so. Panathinaikos much more like CSKA Moscow who beat Clipper by 20 points last year, only Panathinaikos even better team than CSKA, probably so even without Spanoulis.

[Scola Trade]

Scola will Kill Bill Pana :D

[magic]

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[Indazone]

Sadly I cannot find anywhere that the Spurs vs PAO will be broadcast on the 13th. Was there a media blackout or something?

[angel_luv]

Oh my gosh! Sani!

I forgot he played for this squad. Rock on! I never seen him in person before! :fro

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Oh my gosh! Sani!

I forgot he played for this squad. Rock on! I never seen him in person before! :fro

He very good shooter and since Spanoulis not play from injury Sani should get more play time.

[whottt]

So basically...Scola is getting his ass kicked by former Spurs Summer Leaguer and ex Clipper, Mike Batiste.


Sounds about right....

[Solid D]

So basically...Scola is getting his ass kicked by former Spurs Summer Leaguer and ex Clipper, Mike Batiste.


Sounds about right....

Batiste has been a starter for PAO for the past 3 seasons and has gotten used to beating Scola. He led the Greens with 15 points and was also the leading rebounder with 8 in the Euroleague Final 4 Semi-Finals against TAU, with the opposing PF Scola scoring 6 points.

Batiste has grown up a bit since he played 75 games averaging 6.6 ppg for the Grizzlies.

[angel_luv]

He very good shooter and since Spanoulis not play from injury Sani should get more play time.


I'm sorry about Spanoulis being injured but am glad for extra playing time for Sani.

[Hemotivo]

End of the 3rd q
Scola 25 min 17 pts (8/10) 6 reb 4pf

[yavozerb]

He has nothing to prove against european teams and with that said I expected a good game against PAO..ITs the physical play of NBA that I am interested in seeing him handle every night. I am hoping he stays healthy and can help this rockets team overcome Dallas for 2nd best team in west.. :)

[DOMINATOR]

rockets still need a lot of work IMO.
they seem to run the system smoother with yao.

rockets win 107-70

[whottt]

In summary:

Scola - 17 points(8-10), 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 26 minutes


Batiste - 14(6-10) points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 30 minutes




I figure Scola is about on the level of guys like Batiste and Matt Bonner.

Except he's not as good of a rebounder as Batiste and get a worse buttclench than Bonner under pressure.


B
F
D

[Hemotivo]

sure


more stats next week; bye

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

In summary:

Scola - 17 points(8-10), 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 26 minutes


Batiste - 14(6-10) points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 30 minutes





I figure Scola is about on the level of guys like Batiste and Matt Bonner.

Except he's not as good of a rebounder as Batiste and get a worse buttclench than Bonner under pressure.


B
F
D



Batiste is center not PF.

[whottt]

Batiste is center not PF.


Mike Batiste:

Height: 6'8 or 2,03

By comparison...


Scola:

Height: 6'9 or 2,06


I don't care what he is in Europe, in the NBA 6'8 is pushing it at C...


Anything else?

[Roxsfan]

Last year Barcelona beat Sixers. Last year CSKA Moscow beat Clippers by 20 points. Two year ago Lottomattica Roma beat Raptors in Canada. Macabbi Tel-Aviv also have beat NBA team at NBA home before.

This year Celtic beat Raptors by 4 points then Raptors only beat Lottomatica by 4 points. Unicaja Malaga beat Grizzlies by 3 points and Grizzlies play starters all to finish game.

Timberwolve only beat Efes Pilsen by 4 points. So far NBA team only equal 4 point better. You compares Panathinaikos to any of these team likie Lottomatica, Efes, Unicaja be like compares Spurs to Timberwolve.

Even though best scorer of team Spanoulis not play, still Panathinaikos team very capable can beat Rocket if really wish so. Panathinaikos much more like CSKA Moscow who beat Clipper by 20 points last year, only Panathinaikos even better team than CSKA, probably so even without Spanoulis.

You were saying? I guess they did not WISH to beat the Rockets.
Yao scores 21 to lead Rockets to 107-70 victory over Pantytacos

Don't tell me about V-Mac being out, b/c T-Mac sat out too...and so did luther head. But, we barely won by 37.

Btw, I am fully aware that I am trash talking about beating the Pantytacos. :clap :p: :elephant

[Indazone]

Ouch that was ugly and now Pana has to put that game behind them and play the Spurs. The lack of a really big center didn't help either. Yao and Scola on the front line are really hard to defend against.

[Pero]

How did Sani (Becirovic) play?

[ChumpDumper]

In summary:

Scola - 17 points(8-10), 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 26 minutes


Batiste - 14(6-10) points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 30 minutes




I figure Scola is about on the level of guys like Batiste and Matt Bonner.

Except he's not as good of a rebounder as Batiste and get a worse buttclench than Bonner under pressure.


B
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:lol

I'll add Marcus Fizer's line against the Knicks last night:

34:17 min
18 pts
7-17 fg
0-3 3pt
4-7 ft
12 reb (game high)
3 off reb
4 ast
3 pf
3 to

Maccabi got beat pretty badly, but the former NBA players (Fizer, Terence Morris and Vonteego Cummings) had pretty decent stats.

[Indazone]

Yep Maccabi got schooled but Real Madrid beat the Raptors.

[ChumpDumper]

The Raptors are just another Euroleague team.

[Dreamshake]

In summary:

Scola - 17 points(8-10), 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 26 minutes


Batiste - 14(6-10) points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 30 minutes




I figure Scola is about on the level of guys like Batiste and Matt Bonner.

Except he's not as good of a rebounder as Batiste and get a worse buttclench than Bonner under pressure.

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If this is your measurement by which players are ranked, then you sir are a fraud of a "knowledgeable" basketball person. On the level of Bonner. My god, I might of got dumbereerrer reading your post.

[Indazone]

Field Goals Rebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a off def tot ast pf st to bs pts

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/mirthheart/HOUPAN.jpg

[Indazone]

If not for Yao and Scola, this game would have been a lot closer. As I said, it's pretty hard for a smaller team to match up now with the Rockets.

[Dreamshake]

In summary:

Scola - 17 points(8-10), 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 26 minutes


Batiste - 14(6-10) points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in 30 minutes




I figure Scola is about on the level of guys like Batiste and Matt Bonner.

Except he's not as good of a rebounder as Batiste and get a worse buttclench than Bonner under pressure.


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Let me add. According to your completely asinine method of determining players value then according to Oct 9ths stats

Josh Howards 18 points, 4 boards, 1 assist, 2 steals, and a 1 block = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tim duncan and his 2 points, 4 boards, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks.


No according to their stats that ONE PRESEASON game, that makes Tim the worst player in the NBA pretty much.


God.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, we have a pretty limited window in which to compare NBA players and Euroleaguers playing each other.

Sue us.

[Indazone]

Well guess we'll see whether or not PAO can regroup and put in a better performance against the Spurs. I still don't expect them to win against the NBA Champions but I expect them to put up a better showing than what they did vs the Rockets. Jasevickieus better put up some pts. I don't know if they have enough time to figure out the NBA rules but 30 turnovers and the fouls were unbelievable. Lots of moving screens and hand checking fouls.

[Indazone]

Well here's the Rockets PANA highlight reel from the Rockets. It looks to me more like the Luis Scola highlight reel. I also noticed that Yao has added a hook shoot to his offensive arsenel. http://web.splashcast.net/fs/?embed_url=/so/2/p/SHYV7525KC/s/WNWZ8806OX/sc/638542/fs/

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Mike Batiste:

Height: 6'8 or 2,03

By comparison...


Scola:

Height: 6'9 or 2,06


I don't care what he is in Europe, in the NBA 6'8 is pushing it at C...


Anything else?

You compare their stat and act like they play in game but Batiste plays against Yao in game.

[whottt]

If this is your measurement by which players are ranked, then you sir are a fraud of a "knowledgeable" basketball person.On the level of Bonner.



My god, I might of got dumbereerrer reading your post.


Actually...Matt Bonner's stats from his days in the Euroleague are superior to Scola's. And Bonner can hit threes.

[whottt]

If this is your measurement by which players are ranked, then you sir are a fraud of a "knowledgeable" basketball person. On the level of Bonner. My god, I might of got dumbereerrer reading your post.


In the future...


If I want the opinion of Rocketfan?

I'll take a dump and ask it for one.

[whottt]

You compare their stat and act like they play in game but Batiste plays against Yao in game.


Right...Batiste's number were coming against an NBA All Star Center...

Scola's numbers were coming against?



Motherfuck you guys are stupid...


I think I hear Bill calling for his nuts to be scratched, you'd best be running along...

[Indazone]

Scola's numbers were coming against mainly Tsartsaris and that's a mismatch right there.

Statements and other news from ΄΄Toyota Center΄΄
12/10/2007

After the game against the Rockets, Zeliko Obradovic was very irritated. ΄΄We showed more respect than we should and I tried to talk to my players during the game. Anyway, we did not play well and made a lot of turnovers,΄΄ said the Serbian coach and added: ΄΄It was tough to face the NBA rules; we were called twice in the first half for illegal zone defense and I don΄t understand why. I tried to talk to the referees but it is sad watching your opponents taking 27 shots compared to 2 for us. Even with NBA rules, I think it is easy to know what a foul is and what it isn΄t. I don’t understand why 5 technicals were called on us. I said to my players that I am sorry for the 2 called on me but it was hard watching what was going on. We came here to play these two games and we do not have time to talk to our players about their rules. We now have a game against the NBA champions and we will try to play well. I do not think that we should play with the NBA rules; these are friendly games and the right ruled must be found΄΄. Kostas Tsartsaris siad: ΄΄We did not know the rules, we did not react well because we got irritated but we could have prepared better for this game. We are not particularly interested in these games but the issue here is to concentrate on our game. We showed more respect than we should and we should have played a faster game΄΄. Finally, Kennedy Winston added: ΄΄You have to adjust to the rules and we want to play good basketball. But there is nothing you can do when others have picked this way of game. We went out to play well but we failed. The referees were not good but what can you do?΄΄ *Before the game, the Greek local community has prepared an event to honor Panathinaikos. There was dancing by local dancing clubs, the Evangelism school chorus sang the Greek national anthem. The Greek Orthodox Church scouts were also there, and the ΄΄Stars΄΄ group from Agios Ioannis Theologos sang as well. After the end of the game, the Greek expatriates have prepared a buffet in a ΄΄Toyota Center΄΄ room, with the players once again being applauded and signing many autographs.*The attendance was 11,351 with 2,000 Greeks.*This morning (local time) Panathinaikos drove to San Antonio where tomorrow night (03.30 Sunday morning, Greek time) they will face the NBA Champions, San Antonio Spurs.

http://www.paobc.gr/en/news.asp?news_id=762

[Hoy]

Actually...Matt Bonner's stats from his days in the Euroleague are superior to Scola's. And Bonner can hit threes.

Scola is a superior, natural post player. When things break down, Scola can improvise and create a scoring opportunity. It is harder to defend Scola than Bonner who is more mechanical player in that he has set plays and can execute as long as he does not meet resistance or interruption.
In the harum-scrum of play-off games, Bonner will under perform and Scola will shine simply because of that defensive resistance will manifest more so than regular season. It is easier to create and execute a game plan against Bonner than Scola.

Yeah, I know, Scola was subpar in the recent Euro-league championships. So, I don't know how valid this view is.

[whottt]

I bet Bonner is superior to Scola in every facet of the game except post scoring...

[Indazone]

I bet Bonner is superior to Scola in every facet of the game except post scoring...


Hehe we shall see on Oct. 26th. Preseason Spurs vs Rockets

[whottt]

Put it this way...

Either Scola's an asshole(which he is IMO)

Or else the Spurs chose to keep Bonner instead of Scola....


I can tell you the #1 reason the Spurs like Bonner over Scola...he actually attempts to rebound and play D. They value those traits more than post scoring...

The Spurs actually have a halfway decent post scorer yanno...there's only one ball, if we'd needed two, Drob would have kept on scoring 20ppg.

[timvp]

I bet Bonner is superior to Scola in every facet of the game except post scoring...Bandwagoner.

[Dreamshake]

Actually...Matt Bonner's stats from his days in the Euroleague are superior to Scola's. And Bonner can hit threes.

And Glen Robinsons stats were far superior to TD's out of college, so were Patrick Ewings, and Joe Smiths. And Robinson can hit three's. LOL. Keep trying man, your getting closer.

[objective]

Matt Bonner didn't play in the Euroleague.

[phyzik]

Is tonights game going to be broadcast on TV or just WOAI 1200 again?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Actually...Matt Bonner's stats from his days in the Euroleague are superior to Scola's. And Bonner can hit threes.

You sound as bad as Rocket fan when they talk about "Euroleague"

Bonner NEVER play in Euroleague. He play in Italian league for crap team that finish in 18th PLACE in Italy! NOT even in Euroleague. In Italian league and finish 18th PLACE in Italy year Bonner plays there.

Team go OUT OF BUSINESS IT SO BAD! No longer exist!

You sound just like person calls Sam Fisher on Rocket board who I read few month before say Eurobasket same thing as Euroleague and Greek league same thing as Euroleague and as stupid Houston reporter who say Spanish league MVP and Spanish league same thing as Euroleague and Euroleague MVP even Rocket reporter so stupid even team reporter not even know what Euroleague be

:rolleyes

Only top 4 team from Italy 2nd best national league in Europe plays in Euroleague. You think 18 place team in Italy play in Euroleague? They get sent back to Italy second division and go out of business after finish 18 place with star Bonner on team.

Like Spain league top national league in Europe
only have 3 team even make Euroleague. Like say Italy 2nd best national league only have 4 team make Euroleague and Greece 3rd best national league only have 3 team even make Euroleague 11 teams from Greece A1 division which be 4th best national division in world not even make Euroleague.

You sound like crazy Rocket fan think any game play anywhere on continent = Euroleague by what you say NBDL star and summer league star Lucas = better than Parker.



This just like stupid Rocket fan say some player have better stat than Billy playing on team finish in 13 place in Serbia and then say "but he's scores more point in one game than Spanoulis do in Euroleague"

This same thing you says "Bonner have best stats then Scola in Euroleague"

:rolleyes


Maybe some player better than Tim Duncan he plays PF in summer league and once average 30 point! :blah :spin :rolleyes :elephant

[whottt]

Lame...I know exactly how the Euroleague works...

Saying Bonner didn't play for a Euroleague team is like saying Chris Paul doesn't play for an NBA team.

He played 4 teams that went onto play in Euroleague and the only reason his team wasn't a true Euroleague team was because it sucked...not because it was in the wrong league.

Eligibility = level


That's like saying the Longhorns aren't an NCAA team if they don't make the conference champioships and qualify for the NCAA tournament.


Sorry...you and subjective need to go study the Euroleague some more...change your perspective...I never said he played for a good team.


And I'm pretty sure Bonner's Italian League stats beat out any of Scola's Spanish league stats. 19 and 9....sick...I mean literally, sick.


FWIW...Scola probably will be a better NBA player than Vaginis(who is still calling you to scratch his nuts btw)....it's all about the heart.

[Indazone]

little early to be comparing Scola to Bonner don't you think? I mean Scola hasn't played one minute yet in an official NBA game. Scola I think in the end will be better than Bonner both defensively and offensively once he picks up the nuances of the NBA game and learns not to touch people and set moving screens. Scola needs to adjust to the speed of the NBA game.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Lame...I know exactly how the Euroleague works...

Saying Bonner didn't play for a Euroleague team is like saying Chris Paul doesn't play for an NBA team.

He played 4 teams that went onto play in Euroleague and the only reason his team wasn't a true Euroleague team was because it sucked...not because it was in the wrong league.

Eligibility = level


That's like saying the Longhorns aren't an NCAA team if they don't make the conference champioships and qualify for the NCAA tournament.


Sorry...you and subjective need to go study the Euroleague some more...change your perspective...I never said he played for a good team.


And I'm pretty sure Bonner's Italian League stats beat out any of Scola's Spanish league stats. 19 and 9....sick...I mean literally, sick.


FWIW...Scola probably will be a better NBA player than Vaginis(who is still calling you to scratch his nuts btw)....it's all about the heart.


He never play in Euroleague. You like tell lies yes?

[Pero]

That's like saying the Longhorns aren't an NCAA team if they don't make the conference champioships and qualify for the NCAA tournament.

No, it`s like saying that Longhorns aren`t an NBA team.


Spent the 2003-04 season playing for Sicilia in the Italian A1 League

Maybe you should study the Euroleague some more.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Lame...I know exactly how the Euroleague works...

Saying Bonner didn't play for a Euroleague team is like saying Chris Paul doesn't play for an NBA team.

He played 4 teams that went onto play in Euroleague and the only reason his team wasn't a true Euroleague team was because it sucked...not because it was in the wrong league.

Eligibility = level


That's like saying the Longhorns aren't an NCAA team if they don't make the conference champioships and qualify for the NCAA tournament.


Sorry...you and subjective need to go study the Euroleague some more...change your perspective...I never said he played for a good team.


And I'm pretty sure Bonner's Italian League stats beat out any of Scola's Spanish league stats. 19 and 9....sick...I mean literally, sick.


FWIW...Scola probably will be a better NBA player than Vaginis(who is still calling you to scratch his nuts btw)....it's all about the heart.


Team finish in 18th PLACE in Italy and this NOT Euroleague, Italy league only. 18 place? Yes those stats so good for such great team :smokin

[whottt]

No, it`s like saying that Longhorns aren`t an NBA team.


No...the year he played there four teams from the league his team played in, played in the Euroleague.

Skipper, Bologna
Montepaschi, Siena
Benetton, Treviso
Lottomatica, Roma



Maybe you should study the Euroleague some more.

I think I won't...I think I'll let you check some history instead....then I'll let you work on understanding comparisons...the NCAA tournament analogy is 10 times more accurate, in number of games, in every way.


Next.

[whottt]

Team finish in 18th PLACE in Italy and this NOT Euroleague, Italy league only. 18 place? Yes those stats so good for such great team :smokin



He was ROY...in that league.


Not his fault that team sucked...they couldn't even pay him.

[Pero]

No...the year he played there four teams from the league his team played in, played in the Euroleague.

Skipper, Bologna
Montepaschi, Siena
Benetton, Treviso
Lottomatica, Roma


Ah, but you were saying that HE played in the Euroleague, which he DIDN`T.

Next.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

No...the year he played there four teams from the league his team played in, played in the Euroleague.

Skipper, Bologna
Montepaschi, Siena
Benetton, Treviso
Lottomatica, Roma



I think I won't...I think I'll let you check some history instead....then I'll let you work on understanding comparisons...the NCAA tournament analogy is 10 times more accurate, in number of games, in every way.


Next.


If you going by Euroleague team then only stat against those team count not stat for whole year.

And you actual think stats like these on team that always lose and have zero other good player same thing as stat like Scola have be plays on one of top 4 teams in Europe? :blah

[whottt]

Ah, but you were saying that HE played in the Euroleague, which he DIDN`T.

Next.



National Leagues = NCAA Regular season and Conference play
Euroleagues = Conference championships and NCAA touranament.

My comparison was dead on...even the total number of games is similar.

If his team was eligible(at that time) to be selected for Euroleague...he was a Euroleague player to my sensibilities...

The same way a team that is eligible for the NCAA tournament is an NCAA team...whether it makes the NCAA tournament...or not.

[whottt]

If you going by Euroleague team then only stat against those team count not stat for whole year.

And you actual think stats like these on team that always lose and have zero other good player same thing as stat like Scola have be plays on one of top 4 teams in Europe? :blah


By all means...put up Scola's Spanish League numbers against Bonner's Italian League numbers...

[Pero]

National Leagues = NCAA Regular season and Conference play
Euroleagues = Conference championships and NCAA touranament.

My comparison was dead on...even the total number of games is similar.

If his team was eligible(at that time) to be selected for Euroleague...he was a Euroleague player to my sensibilities...

The same way a team that is eligible for the NCAA tournament is an NCAA team...whether it makes the NCAA tournament...or not.

Ok, I get your comparison now. But it`s not quite right. Euroleague is played during the regular season of national leagues. You can`t come into it during the season, like some season finale or something. And most teams have contracts with the Euroleague, so most other teams can`t come into it just like that.

[Pero]

So if you said what you say here to some European he would laugh at you. Like people in the US would laugh at me if I said Longhorns are an NBA team.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

National Leagues = NCAA Regular season and Conference play
Euroleagues = Conference championships and NCAA touranament.

My comparison was dead on...even the total number of games is similar.

If his team was eligible(at that time) to be selected for Euroleague...he was a Euroleague player to my sensibilities...

The same way a team that is eligible for the NCAA tournament is an NCAA team...whether it makes the NCAA tournament...or not.


They have records of 8-26 and his team finish last place #18 in Italy Bonner so great leads team to 8-26 records!

This compares to Scola play actual in Euroleague not just Serie A of Italy and also have team be top 4 in Euroleague? I think Scola score like 25 a game he play on team like Sicilia Messina.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

By all means...put up Scola's Spanish League numbers against Bonner's Italian League numbers...

You makes no sense. You know Spanoulis can score like 30 point a game if he plays for last places team in Greek A1 right and you say he is crap player? But with team like Panathinaikos which is best team in league he will score more like 12-15 a game because team not need more than this.

19 point a game for player like Bonner in Serie A on such terrible team not very good stat to me. Scola in same team easily beat this number of 19 point a game on same team.

[Bruno]

You can't say who is better between Scola and Bonner by looking at what they have done in Europe.

Saying that Bonner is better because his stats were great is stupid because Bonner was on crappy team that only played the Italian league. the Italian league level is lower than the Spanish league and Euroleague level.

Saying that Scola is better than Bonner because of what he has done in Europe is too stupid. Bonner has only stayed one year in Europe and was putting great stats. We will never know what Bonner would have done in a top team in Europe if he had decided to stay longer in Europe.

We will know who is better in two years by looking at what Scola does in his nba sophomore year. If Scola outplayed Bonner this year we will to know that he is better.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You can't say who is better between Scola and Bonner by looking at what they have done in Europe.

Saying that Bonner is better because his stats were great is stupid because Bonner was on crappy team that only played the Italian league. the Italian league level is lower than the Spanish league and Euroleague level.

Saying that Scola is better than Bonner because of what he has done in Europe is too stupid. Bonner has only stayed one year in Europe and was putting great stats. We will never know what Bonner would have done in a top team in Europe if he had decided to stay longer in Europe.

We will know who is better in two years by looking at what Scola does in his nba sophomore year. If Scola outplayed Bonner this year we will to know that he is better.

Yes agrees but I say Scola is better player though. He have the much better passing and scoring ability.

[Bruno]

Yes agrees but I say Scola is better player though. He have the much better passing and scoring ability.

We will see. Bonner offensive game isn't the same at all than Scola's one and nobody knows how well Scola's offensive game will work in nba. It's kinda comparing oranges with potatoes.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

We will see. Bonner offensive game isn't the same at all than Scola's one and nobody knows how well Scola's offensive game will work in nba. It's kinda comparing oranges with potatoes.

But Scola able to make the good pass and to shoot the 4.5m shot and he has the very good low posts game. Bonner have only better long away shots as be better than Scola. Both player fit good on teams they play with. But Scola is good starts player for NBA Bonner not good starts player for NBA.

[whottt]

You can't say who is better between Scola and Bonner by looking at what they have done in Europe.

Saying that Bonner is better because his stats were great is stupid because Bonner was on crappy team that only played the Italian league. the Italian league level is lower than the Spanish league and Euroleague level.

Saying that Scola is better than Bonner because of what he has done in Europe is too stupid. Bonner has only stayed one year in Europe and was putting great stats. We will never know what Bonner would have done in a top team in Europe if he had decided to stay longer in Europe.

I can say with all certainty that of the two of them...Bonner played against more good teams at the National level...

Bonner played for the crappiest team in his National League...that means he didn't get to play against them. Scola played for one of the best...which was one less good team he had to play against.



We will know who is better in two years by looking at what Scola does in his nba sophomore year. If Scola outplayed Bonner this year we will to know that he is better.



I'm going to say no to that, emphatically....that will not prove which one is better...

The Spurs are the better team, and Bonner plays at the deepest position...he's going to get fewer minutes whether he's better than Scola, or not.

Additionally...Scola is going to play for a coach who is known for high scoring teams...teams that push the ball, that shoot early in the shotclock...the Spurs can play that style, but it's not a set style for them. It's almost a certainty that Scola is going to get more points.



It's not going to be as easy as simply comparing numbers...




And the most important number will be rebounds...not points.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I can say with all certainty that of the two of them...Bonner played against more good teams at the National level...

Bonner played for the crappiest team in his National League...that means he didn't get to play against them. Scola played for one of the best...which was one less good team he had to play against.





I'm going to say no to that, emphatically....that will not prove which one is better...

The Spurs are the better team, and Bonner plays at the deepest position...he's going to get fewer minutes whether he's better than Scola, or not.

Additionally...Scola is going to play for a coach who is known for high scoring teams...teams that push the ball, that shoot early in the shotclock...the Spurs can play that style, but it's not a set style for them. It's almost a certainty that Scola is going to get more points.



It's not going to be as easy as simply comparing numbers...




And the most important number will be rebounds...not points.

People all know Scola 2nd best player of Argentina team. He better player on national team than player like Oberto, Hermann and them. Is Bonner even as good player as Hermann? Hermann should be considers better than Bonner.

[BeerIsGood!]

If Bonner can consistently shoot the 3, defend, and elevate his play in the playoffs he will be more valuable to the Spurs than Scola would have been after Horry retires following this season. With Splitter coming next season the Spurs will need a 4 who can stretch the floor, not an undersized 4 with a good offensive low post game but questionable defense and rebounding.

[whottt]

We will see. Bonner offensive game isn't the same at all than Scola's one and nobody knows how well Scola's offensive game will work in nba. It's kinda comparing oranges with potatoes.



I can tell you right now...Scola's FG% is going to take a huge drop, and he is going to be a subpar rebounder.

The defense is very different, as is the skill level of those that will be defending him...and Scola isn't blessed with the athleticism or speed, to overcome that change...


Manu had the speed to make the change...

Oberto's game is 100% smarts...


Scola's going to be a PF that scores maybe 15 ppg and pulls down 6 boards tops...but he's not to score that 15 PPG on 50%+ shooting like he did in Europe...he's going to do it at about 44%...very low PCT for a post scoring PF in the NBA. And he's going to give up as much as he's scoring.

[Bruno]

But Scola able to make the good pass and to shoot the 4.5m shot and he has the very good low posts game. Bonner have only better long away shots as be better than Scola. Both player fit good on teams they play with. But Scola is good starts player for NBA Bonner not good starts player for NBA.

Very good low posts move in Euroleague.
Are you sure that his low posts moves will still be that good in nba ? I'm not that sure. We will have to wait and see.
And saying that Scola is a starting level player in nba while he hasn't played a single minute is a big reach.

[whottt]

People all know Scola 2nd best player of Argentina team. He better player on national team than player like Oberto, Hermann and them. Is Bonner even as good player as Hermann? Hermann should be considers better than Bonner.


The National Team of Argentina is a great team because of it's team strength...not it's individual strength...

There's only one SuperStar on that team, and it's Manu...you take Manu off and it doesn't win jack...in fact, it hasn't.

And if we'd had Bonner in 2004, we might have won the Gold...he obviously plays well by FIBA rules...and he had the 3 shooting that team lacked.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Very good low posts move in Euroleague.
Are you sure that his low posts moves will still be that good in nba ? I'm not that sure. We will have to wait and see.
And saying that Scola is a starting level player in nba while he hasn't played a single minute is a big reach.

In Amerikas 2007 he have make player like the Howard and Amare look like joke player with his post scores. Also he can shoots the 4-5 meter shots so this with his passes make him so good for Yao and the coach Adelmam. And you forget the coach not Van Gundy there now. Yes he will starts player bases on they can play not bases on how he like player look or speak like Van Gundy.

[Bruno]

It's not going to be as easy as simply comparing numbers...


Agree. You will look at the whole package but you will be able to compare them.

[Pero]

I can say with all certainty that of the two of them...Bonner played against more good teams at the National level...

Bonner played for the crappiest team in his National League...that means he didn't get to play against them. Scola played for one of the best...which was one less good team he had to play against.


:drunk :wtf :lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

:drunk :wtf :lol

Yes he think only 3 good team in Spanish league?
:dizzy

[Bruno]

In Amerikas 2007 he have make player like the Howard and Amare look like joke player with his post scores.

Team USA didn't play D and it was a blowout game.



Also he can shoots the 4-5 meter shots so this with his passes make him so good for Yao and the coach Adelmam.

Scola midrange jumper is average. Tons of nba bigmen have a better midrange jumpshot.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Team USA didn't play D and it was a blowout game.



Scola midrange jumper is average. Tons of nba bigmen have a better midrange jumpshot.

Hmm maybe I confuse which player be these? How many be "tons"? Most the player even not have the average shot from that position. And Scola be hard to defense because the post game and the passes with the offense of Kings and Yao with him. I not see Bonner have any of these ability.

[whottt]

Yes he think only 3 good team in Spanish league?
:dizzy


Look I hate to break this to you guys, but it's not that hard to see which players will translate and which ones won't...

They have to have the physical ability to do it, or be an extremely smart player...if they lack that, they won't transfer and they'll get owned.


Parker tranferred? Parker is lightning fast.
Manu transferred? Manu is freaking fast.

Gasol? He's fast...for a 7 footer, he's also more coordinated than most of them...and this is a down era for C's as well.


Dirk? Dirk is freaking fast...on offense...especially with the ball...he's like a 7 foot 2 guard.

Sabonis? He was as big as freaking house with the passing skill of a PG.


Peja? Peja can freaking move and shoot for a guy as big as he is.... Plus he's a legit fantastic shooter, He doesn't even look like he's 6'10 because of the way he moves.

AK 47? He's lightning quick with freakishly long arms...


Nash? Fast.



Scola? He's not fast, he's not big, he's not quick....and the guys that will be defeding him are a whole new level of defender, that play a whole different level of defense.

[Bruno]

Hmm maybe I confuse which player be these? How many be "tons"?

You can start the list with Juwon Howard.
As a green fan, you should know that his jump shot isn't good. He struggle against your team because he couldn't score in the post.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You can start the list with Juwon Howard.
As a green fan, you should know that his jump shot isn't good. He struggle against your team because he couldn't score in the post.

No Scola better shooter than Juwan Howard.

[whottt]

Here's the debate from before Sarunas came over...one of them...

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13821&page=2&pp=26&highlight=Sarunas


Enjoy...and don't say you weren't warned.


If you guys should ever run into Dario over there in Europe...tell him I said apology accepted.

[Bruno]

No Scola better shooter than Juwan Howard.

You haven't enough watched Juwan Howard or Scola play.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You haven't enough watched Juwan Howard or Scola play.

What? I know I right.

[Bruno]

What? I know I right.

No, you aren't.
Anyway, we will see what will nba stats for Scola on midrange jumper will be. I doubt he will be able to shoot them with a FG% higher than 40%.

[leemajors]

No Scola better shooter than Juwan Howard.
the only think howard can do is hit a mid range jumper. he's gold for three quarters from midrange. 4th is another story.

[ChumpDumper]

the only think howard can do is hit a mid range jumper. he's gold for three quarters from midrange. 4th is another story.Right. That SCUD missile shot is the only reason I thought he might fit on the Spurs.

[timvp]

Here's the debate from before Sarunas came over...one of them...

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13821&page=2&pp=26&highlight=Sarunas


Enjoy...and don't say you weren't warned.


If you guys should ever run into Dario over there in Europe...tell him I said apology accepted.

timvp has been laying ownage on this debate for years. . .

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21006

[Indazone]

Well I posted this before but I'll post it again. Sorry Kill_Bill about this dismantiling of PAO by the Rockets video but I'm doing it so people can see Scola play. He looks plenty fast to me. Scola is going to be freakishly good with the Rockets. Pay attention to what the announcer says about the Spurs at about the 1:00 mark lol

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8919742450679475402&q=scola+rockets&total=20&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, Scola is really good against Euro teams!

I had no idea!

[Indazone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ-tZz-LbR8

Then there's this :)

Dude has some really good PF and postup moves. I think he'll be ok.

[screw_ston713]

basketball is a team sport. scola on the houston rockets is a role player. scola dosnt have to be the go to man or average 20pts 13 boards. adelmans offense is not iso so scola will not be playing other pfs in alot of iso situations. adelmans offense is setting screens and alot of pick and roll and hard cuts to the basket. in this offense scola will not have a hard time scoring points because he wont play alot with his back to the basket backing down defenders. i also want to know who are these great pfs in the league that scola will have this hard time against???

[BeerIsGood!]

Panathinaikos coming soon to a basketball court near you. With a roster consisiting of former NBA players Sarunas Jasikevicius, Vassilis Spanoulis, and Milos Vujanic. All of them carrying a chip on their shoulders from their NBA experiences to prove that they belong. Will Jasikevicious and Spanoulis light it up? Will Tim Duncan, Parker and Ginobili prove to be too much for PAO? Can the Rockets pull their new team together and will PAO compete? Spanoulis has much to prove here.

(It's Rocky Balboa and the Eye of the Tiger all over again)


Panty Tacos really suck. They can't handle NBA scrubs and DLeague players.