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George Gervin's Afro
10-04-2007, 07:03 AM
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_271104049.html


Anger Rises Over Rumors Of School Nixing Halloween
Muslim Mother Asks That Ramadan Be Celebrated Along With Other Holidays In Oak Lawn Schools

(CBS) OAK LAWN, Ill. Parents in Oak Lawn sounded off Tuesday night about what they see as an assault on traditional American celebrations. At issue is whether Halloween and Christmas celebrations are insensitive to school children who are Muslim.

As CBS 2's Derrick Blakley reports, the school board held an emergency meeting Tuesday night.

Almost a month before Halloween, some Oak Lawn homes are already decorated with pumpkins, ghosts and goblins. But rumors that Ridgefield School District 122 may soon ban in-school Halloween and Christmas have infuriated many parents and area residents.

"They're trying to take away holidays and stuff for the kids," said resident Gene Boerema, dressed in a Santa Claus costume.

Elizabeth Zahdan is at the center of the storm, a Muslim mother of three who requested that her children be separated from others at lunch during the Ramadan fast.

The schools agreed, but many parents didn't.

"I don’t ever remember one of us asking for our child to be separated from classmates during Ash Wednesday when they were fasting, or on every Friday of Lent when our children are not allowed to eat meat," said parent Cathy Hughes.

"If Muslims want the school holidays, menus and school traditions to become tailored to their needs or beliefs, then they should go to private school next to their mosque," said resident Brian Shapiro.

"That does not represent all the Muslims, all of the Arabs at that school," said Qais Nofel, the father of a student in Ridgeland School District 122.

But Zahdan insists she never wanted traditional celebrations removed from schools, she only wanted Ramadan recognized and included.

"We should educate our children about all the holidays, equally," she said. "And not to favor one holiday over another."

The district has a 30 percent Arab-American population, many of whom practice Islam. The superintendent says the reason for the change in tradition comes after one parent wanted Ramadan decorations put up inside Columbus Manor Elementary. They were taken down.

Superintendent Tom Smyth said, "I go back to our policy which says that public schools are to remain neutral in this respect."

Still, for many residents the debate took on a nationalistic tone, one of defending America and its traditions.

"We're letting you come here, were honoring you, don't dishonor us," said resident Linda Pferschy.

Other parents say the controversy is overshadowing what really needs to be addressed at all five schools in the district.

Ronnie Carroll said, "The fact that they are cash strapped. Our classroom size is way above the average mean, 38 children in our first grade classroom. The concern should be our school, not the whole holiday issues."

Smyth said the school never intended to do away with Christmas and Halloween celebrations. Still, after hours of public comment, the board retreated to a closed session, huddling with an attorney to discuss how to deal with religion-tinged issues. Smyth would not say what, if any, board action would be taken.


With all due respect to our fellow muslim citizens this is absolutely ridiculous.

Extra Stout
10-04-2007, 08:45 AM
I remember that Jewish schoolchildren growing up got Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashannah as holidays. However, I don't remember shofar decorations in school, nor do I remember setting up booths in the halls during the Feast of Taberbacles.

There were always menorahs during Hanukkah, but that is a minor Jewish holiday given prominence specifically because it coincides closely with Christmas, so its relevance is closely tied to Christmas anyway in this culture.

But then again, our Jewish citizens are not trying to force everyone to accomodate them. They aim to serve others. Their religion does not teach that its adherents should work over time to take over the culture of the country in which they live, as Islam does.

While I'm not saying that Muslims here wish to do so maliciously, they cannot honestly deny that Islam teaches that, and for politically-correct multicultural liberals in the schools to capitulate so easily does not represent evenhandedness but rather tacit support of that agenda.

These liberals should get it over and done with, and start paying the jizya to the local imam, so they can be properly protected as dhimmis. Oh wait, they aren't People of the Book, that won't work...

Oh, Gee!!
10-04-2007, 09:18 AM
So, I'm guessing it would also be insensitive if the kids went to school dressed up like terrarists for Halloween.

smeagol
10-04-2007, 11:22 AM
Halloween is a stupid holiday anyway.

Thanksgiving, OTOH, rocks!

Wild Cobra
10-04-2007, 04:00 PM
Halloween is a stupid holiday anyway.

Thanksgiving, OTOH, rocks!
It doesn't matter. It has become an American tradition, and you just don't take that away from the children.

Beware of the PC police. Someday they will come after you!

E20
10-04-2007, 04:13 PM
Do not agree with the muslims POV at all regarding this. :td You can't bring a religous holiday into a school. Christmas isn't really a religous holiday anymore so it doesn't really count.

clambake
10-04-2007, 04:18 PM
how about a "Holidays-for-Oil" program.

Wild Cobra
10-04-2007, 05:19 PM
Do not agree with the muslims POV at all regarding this. :td You can't bring a religous holiday into a school. Christmas isn't really a religous holiday anymore so it doesn't really count.
You bring legal holidays into the schools because they are legal holidays first of all.

Christmas is a stolen holiday, and the whole week plus is a winter break. Doesn’t matter there.

Halloween is not a religious holiday, although some people consider it that. Like I pointed out however, it has become a tradition.

Thanksgiving also, not a religious holiday. If you ever learn the truth about Thanksgiving, you will learn it was being thankful for the first bountiful harvest after changing the communal system to a free enterprise system, and sharing with their Indian friends who help them in time of need.

Easter is also used as a religious holiday, but why is there an Easter Bunny and Eggs? This is passed down traditions of a holiday stolen by false prophets of the Christian faith to gain more followers. Same with Christmas for that matter.

Don’t let the PC fascists win. Look at these things for what they are instead of the anti-Christian propaganda.

E20
10-04-2007, 06:34 PM
You bring legal holidays into the schools because they are legal holidays first of all.

Christmas is a stolen holiday, and the whole week plus is a winter break. Doesn’t matter there.

Halloween is not a religious holiday, although some people consider it that. Like I pointed out however, it has become a tradition.

Thanksgiving also, not a religious holiday. If you ever learn the truth about Thanksgiving, you will learn it was being thankful for the first bountiful harvest after changing the communal system to a free enterprise system, and sharing with their Indian friends who help them in time of need.

Easter is also used as a religious holiday, but why is there an Easter Bunny and Eggs? This is passed down traditions of a holiday stolen by false prophets of the Christian faith to gain more followers. Same with Christmas for that matter.

Don’t let the PC fascists win. Look at these things for what they are instead of the anti-Christian propaganda.
i think you misread what I mean, when I say relgious holiday's I mean by like Yom Kippor/Ramadan/Vishnu day/whatever. Not traditional American holidays. I agree with most of that, but I think schools just recoginize those religous holidays (christmas/easter) to implent breaks to start and end new terms, it's convienent for them, and still the arguement can be made that christmas and easter have lost there meaning as religous holidays in some cases. I just strongly disagree that there should be accomdations in a public school for faith based needs. Whatever happend to seperation of church and state? No prayer in school? IMO Religon is best kept within private life, informing people is okay, but bringing it up in everyday life that usually creates problems for ohter people and yourself is not cool.