Anyone taking the Cowboys...

[SpursFanFirst]

over the Patriots on Sunday?

My initial reaction is to take NE because it's been that way for so long...

on the other hand, I've watched NE play this year, and, while I may be in the minority, I'm not impressed. Regardless of the final score last week, they struggled with Cleveland.

Anyone else have a good guess with this game?

GO COWBOYS! :spin

[J.T.]

I'm not going to say that NE's success so far is a fluke but their toughest opponents have been the Chargers and Bengals. And that's not really saying much. They can start dreaming about another Super Bowl if they beat the Colts. The AFC is going down to Colts and Pats once again.

I hate the Cowboys and the Pats, and one of them has to lose. :smokin

[samikeyp]

Sadly, I have to pick NE. I will be rooting my ass off for Dallas, I think they have a shot and will gladly be wrong if the Cowboys win but the Pats are too good.

[Whisky Dog]

Whoever makes the fewest big mistakes in this game wins. Thats how close these teams are to each other.

[ATRAIN]

Romo >>>>>> Brady, Moss>>>>>>>T.O. Barber, Jones>>>>>>>>Morris, Maroney. NE DEF >>>>>DAL Def. Its going to be the best game to date and I think the boys will win if they can control the clock and run the ball effectively.

[fyatuk]

The only thing I'm picking is I say Brady ends up with 2 TDs and 2 INTs. After that it depends on Romo.

[J.T.]

harrington>>>>>>>>>>>>>brady

[O-Factor]

Bruce Gradkowski>>>>>>>>>>>>Brady

[O-Factor]

In all seriousness Brady>Romo, T.O.>Moss, Barber/Jones>Morris/Maroney NE Def>=Dal Def. As a cowboys fan its going to be fun rooting as an underdog.

[stretch]

over the Patriots on Sunday?

My initial reaction is to take NE because it's been that way for so long...

on the other hand, I've watched NE play this year, and, while I may be in the minority, I'm not impressed. Regardless of the final score last week, they struggled with Cleveland.

Anyone else have a good guess with this game?

GO COWBOYS! :spin
I like the Cowboys in this one.

[stretch]

In all seriousness Brady>Romo, T.O.>Moss, Barber/Jones>Morris/Maroney NE Def>=Dal Def. As a cowboys fan its going to be fun rooting as an underdog.
I think Dallas' defense is definitely better than New Englands, but a big problem for us, and someone else already said this, will be Ben Watson. Personally, I think he is an overrated TE, but the fact is, he will be facing Roy Williams a lot of the time, which just about anyone that is matched up against Roy is a mismatch in favor of the opponent. They better make sure Roy comes with his A-game, or that is going to be a HUGE issue.

[Whisky Dog]

It all comes down to pressure. If they can manage to lay Brady on his back all game (whether they sack him or not) they will be able to throw him off his game and make the coverage a lot easier for everyone.

[midgetonadonkey]

over the Patriots on Sunday?

My initial reaction is to take NE because it's been that way for so long...

on the other hand, I've watched NE play this year, and, while I may be in the minority, I'm not impressed. Regardless of the final score last week, they struggled with Cleveland.

Anyone else have a good guess with this game?

GO COWBOYS! :spin

They didn't struggle half as much as Dallas struggled against the Bills. I think NE wins but they don't cover the spread. It will be a close game though.

[Melmart1]

My good friend who is a Pats fan actually thinks the Pats might lose this one. And he said it will be a relief in a way, to get the loss over with. And he would rather lose to the Cowboys than the Colts.

I agree with him wholeheartedly, I would rather the Pats lose to the Cowboys instead of the Colts, as well. :)

[FromWayDowntown]

I wouldn't necessarily agree that NE's defense >= Dallas, primarily because while personnel might be about equal, schematically, NE is about as diverse as any defense in the NFL. That allows Belichick to not just vary the looks that he gives to opposing offenses and confuse QB's, but also to invent new schemes tailored to deal with specific problems that certain offenses present. With Harrison back now, the NE secondary should be better as well. It will be interesting to see if Belichick can confuse Romo with disguised coverages and odd fronts -- he's succeeded in the past in confusing Peyton Manning.

I'm also not sure that NE was unimpressive in beating Cleveland -- at least not sure that they were less impressive in beating Cleveland than Dallas was in beating Buffalo. It would certainly appear that NE has much greater reason to be confident that it is playing well at this point than Dallas does; but for a relatively miraculous recovery of an onside kick and a bizarre coverage decision by the Bills in the closing seconds, the Cowboys might well be 4-1 coming into this game.

[monosylab1k]

Dallas has a good shot, mainly because New England won't show everything to a team they might see again in the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, Dallas is gonna have to unload every trick they've got to win this.

And I'd much rather NE lose to Dallas than Indy. Losing to Dallas doesn't mean anything compared to losing to Indy. And if NE loses, I certainly won't be too upset over it, an neither will any Patriots fan. It's just not that big of a game to a Patriots fan.

I can only imagine the Super Bowl-like celebrations of Cowboys fans if they win this game. :lmao week six.

I say New England wins by a TD, but I won't be at all shocked if Dallas gets the W.

[Whisky Dog]

I wouldn't necessarily agree that NE's defense >= Dallas, primarily because while personnel might be about equal, schematically, NE is about as diverse as any defense in the NFL. That allows Belichick to not just vary the looks that he gives to opposing offenses and confuse QB's, but also to invent new schemes tailored to deal with specific problems that certain offenses present. With Harrison back now, the NE secondary should be better as well. It will be interesting to see if Belichick can confuse Romo with disguised coverages and odd fronts -- he's succeeded in the past in confusing Peyton Manning.

I'm also not sure that NE was unimpressive in beating Cleveland -- at least not sure that they were less impressive in beating Cleveland than Dallas was in beating Buffalo. It would certainly appear that NE has much greater reason to be confident that it is playing well at this point than Dallas does; but for a relatively miraculous recovery of an onside kick and a bizarre coverage decision by the Bills in the closing seconds, the Cowboys might well be 4-1 coming into this game.

Nice assessment, but by now everyone should know that a performance against team A one week has no bearing on a performance against team B the next. Neither the suggested lackluster performance by NE against Cleveland or the obvious lackluster performance by Romo against the Bills (you can't say the team was lackluster as the defense was awesome) have any bearing on this Sunday's game. There are so many factors that go into a football game that it's impossible to predict who will win in a game played by two teams who are very close in talent and performance against almost identically mediocre opposition to this point.

[Whisky Dog]

Dallas has a good shot, mainly because New England won't show everything to a team they might see again in the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, Dallas is gonna have to unload every trick they've got to win this.



That's ridiculous, Dallas won't have to pull out any tricks. They are going to play their game as will NE, and the team who is able to execute better in all three facets of the game will win. There isn't a huge talent gap between the teams here, this isn't the NCAA.

[Findog]

Today on Simmon's podcast they mentioned that Dallas is favored by 6. That's shocking to me. I would've guessed pick 'em or NW by 2 or 3.

[monosylab1k]

That's ridiculous, Dallas won't have to pull out any tricks. They are going to play their game as will NE, and the team who is able to execute better in all three facets of the game will win. There isn't a huge talent gap between the teams here, this isn't the NCAA.
i'm not talking about trick plays, dumbass. i'm talking about strategies, packages, and plays that NE might be saving for a future date. they aren't going to waste everything they've got on a week 6 matchup. in 2005 the Patriots let the Steelers kick their ass up and down the field in the regular season, they had simple playcalling and let Corey Dillon sit with an "injury". They didn't reveal everything they had to a potential playoff matchup. then in the AFC title game they unloaded everything and kicked Pittsburgh's ass up and down the field.

and i think the talent gap is wide enough that Dallas will have to play incredible in order to win. If both teams bring their A game, New England wins by 10 at least.

[Whisky Dog]

I wasn't talking about trick plays, dumbass. Dallas won't have to run any new schemes or variations on anything to beat NE in this game. The same goes for NE. You put far too much emphasis on tricks or gadgets as teams don't save much of anything for the playoffs. If they haven't run a scheme or set all season they won't run it in the playoffs. The games against Pitt weren't due to tricks, Pitt just was the more motivated team and executed better in the regular season and that was reversed in the playoffs.

The talent gap isn't wide at all. If both bring their A game it's still a toss up.

[SpursFanFirst]

Nice assessment, but by now everyone should know that a performance against team A one week has no bearing on a performance against team B the next. Neither the suggested lackluster performance by NE against Cleveland or the obvious lackluster performance by Romo against the Bills (you can't say the team was lackluster as the defense was awesome) have any bearing on this Sunday's game. There are so many factors that go into a football game that it's impossible to predict who will win in a game played by two teams who are very close in talent and performance against almost identically mediocre opposition to this point.

I would say that I agree about performances changing from week-to-week, and last week being just a bad game for NE...BUT, I've watched them at least 3 times this year, and so far, I haven't seen anything that has me, a Colts fan, shaking in my boots.
Oh boy...I didn't just jinx the Colts there, did I? The superstition is creeping in... :depressed

[monosylab1k]

I wasn't talking about trick plays, dumbass. Dallas won't have to run any new schemes or variations on anything to beat NE in this game. The same goes for NE. You put far too much emphasis on tricks or gadgets as teams don't save much of anything for the playoffs. If they haven't run a scheme or set all season they won't run it in the playoffs. The games against Pitt weren't due to tricks, Pitt just was the more motivated team and executed better in the regular season and that was reversed in the playoffs.

The talent gap isn't wide at all. If both bring their A game it's still a toss up.

As much as you'd love football to be a bunch of meatheads who just push each other around, and whatever team pushes harder wins, I hate to inform you that there's more to it than that.

There are plenty of documented occasions where New England, among other teams, has had specific plays for specific teams in specific situations. They won't show their entire hand to a team in week 6, especially when they might see them again in the Super Bowl. When you've been a Patriots fan for 15 years, then feel free to tell me how my team does things.

[Whisky Dog]

As much as you'd love football to be a bunch of meatheads who just push each other around, and whatever team pushes harder wins, I hate to inform you that there's more to it than that.

There are plenty of documented occasions where New England, among other teams, has had specific plays for specific teams in specific situations. They won't show their hand to a team. When you've been a Patriots fan for 15 years, then feel free to tell me how my team does things.

Good god, arguing with you is pointless because you infer all sorts of over the top bullshit based on a very simple response.

Teams do have different packages and schemes that they use or adjust to their competition. I never said they didn't. BUT, they don't typically just start using all sorts of foreign or new schemes that they haven't used all year long when the playoffs come around. I know you'd love for football to be a strictly thinking mans game and akin to chess, but I hate to inform you that when it comes right down to it the team that works harder and executes better wins. The team that doesn't get a ton of penalties, doesn't get a ton of turnovers, executes their blocks, executes their throws, runs their correct routes... wins.

[monosylab1k]

Good god, arguing with you is pointless because you infer all sorts of over the top bullshit based on a very simple response.

Teams do have different packages and schemes that they use or adjust to their competition. I never said they didn't. BUT, they don't typically just start using all sorts of foreign or new schemes that they haven't used all year long when the playoffs come around. I know you'd love for football to be a strictly thinking mans game and akin to chess, but I hate to inform you that when it comes right down to it the team that works harder and executes better wins. The team that doesn't get a ton of penalties, doesn't get a ton of turnovers, executes their blocks, executes their throws, runs their correct routes... wins.

All the heart and determination in the world won't help you when you're facing a team who has a superior gameplan, along with equal heart and determination. If you think Wade Phillips is going to outcoach Bill Belichick, you're insane.

Like I said, the Patriots will save their best shots at the Cowboys for the Super Bowl, if either team makes it.

Looks like someone's been watching Remember The Titans again.

[samikeyp]

Dallas has a good shot, mainly because New England won't show everything to a team they might see again in the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, Dallas is gonna have to unload every trick they've got to win this.

If this was a pre-season game, I could see either team holding stuff back...but not in the regular season. You do everything you can to win.

[Whisky Dog]

All the heart and determination in the world won't help you when you're facing a team who has a superior gameplan, along with equal heart and determination. If you think Wade Phillips is going to outcoach Bill Belichick, you're insane.

Like I said, the Patriots will save their best shots at the Cowboys for the Super Bowl, if either team makes it.

Looks like someone's been watching Remember The Titans again.

All the heart and determination won't help you against a team with equal heart and determination? No shit.

Wade Phillips doesn't have to outcoach Bill Belicheck. His players have to outplay the NE players enough to win the game. It's not that difficult to understand. Even Belichick would tell you that.

Coaching helps put your team in position to win, but they have to execute better than the opposition. Kind of like last year when the Colts executed better than the Patriots. Did Dungy outcoach Belichick? No. His team executed better.

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I wasn't talking about trick plays, dumbass. Dallas won't have to run any new schemes or variations on anything to beat NE in this game. The same goes for NE. You put far too much emphasis on tricks or gadgets as teams don't save much of anything for the playoffs. If they haven't run a scheme or set all season they won't run it in the playoffs. The games against Pitt weren't due to tricks, Pitt just was the more motivated team and executed better in the regular season and that was reversed in the playoffs.

The talent gap isn't wide at all. If both bring their A game it's still a toss up.
Lets go position by position

QB - Romo < Brady

Brady has the experience, but Romo is the more gifted QB, and a better playmaker. Brady wins, but not by a landslide.

RB - Barber/Jones > Maroney/Faulk

Dallas has more depth here. Dallas wins. Not by much though. Maroney is not to be overlooked.

WR - Owens/Crayton/Hurd =< Moss/Stallworth/Welker

Owens and Moss are about even. Stallworth can't run routes for shit, and Welker is a good #3 reciever, but looks better than he is, because of the amounts of attention that Moss and Stallworth draw from deep coverages. If Dallas had a healthy Terry Glenn, they would defintiely win this one, but for now, New England has this one, but not by a landslide by any means either.

TE - Whitten/Fasano > Watson/Brady

This one is obvious. Whitten alone is far superior.

OL - Dallas = NE

NE has better players on the line, although not by much, and it really doesn't matter as much for Dallas, due to Romo's running ability and ability to move in the pocket to set his blockers up. Therefore this one is a wash.

DL - Dallas = NE

They are pretty much dead even right now, although if NE had Seymour, they have the superior DL.

LB - Spears/Ellis/James/Ware = Vrabel/Thomas/Colvin/Bruschi

Dallas is a little more talented and athletic, while NE is more experienced, but age is a factor. Bruschi and Vrabel have clearly slowed down, and will get eaten alive by Whitten. Colvin is a good rusher, but thats about it. Thomas is well rounded, but heavily overrated by Patriot fans. He hasn't impressed me at all this year. The INT TD that he got was not a result of a good play. It was simply a fucking horrid throw by Phillip Rivers. Give me Demarcus Ware over him any day.

CB - Newman/Henry/Reeves > Samuel/Hobbs/Gay

No question about it.

S - Hamlin/Williams < Roided Harrison/Wilson.

Eugene Wilson sucks, but Harrison is good, despite being a cheater. Roy obviously sucks, although I must say, aside from his first game against the Giants, and the horrible tackle against the Bears, he really has not played bad at all this year, and hasn't gotten beat very much at all. Granted, the Pats have better weapons than they have faced so far, but in the past, even terrible WRs was capable of making Roy look stupid.

To me, they are dead even in terms of all around talent. Although Dallas is clearly dealing with more injuries at the moment.

[Walter Craparita]

i'm not talking about trick plays, dumbass. i'm talking about strategies, packages, and plays that NE might be saving for a future date. they aren't going to waste everything they've got on a week 6 matchup. in 2005 the Patriots let the Steelers kick their ass up and down the field in the regular season, they had simple playcalling and let Corey Dillon sit with an "injury". They didn't reveal everything they had to a potential playoff matchup. then in the AFC title game they unloaded everything and kicked Pittsburgh's ass up and down the field.

and i think the talent gap is wide enough that Dallas will have to play incredible in order to win. If both teams bring their A game, New England wins by 10 at least.

Tricks are for kids.

[Findog]

If you think Wade Phillips is going to outcoach Bill Belichick, you're insane.

You do realize that Wade Phillips the actual coach, and not Wade Phillips the retarded tub of man-titties, as voiced by Jub-Jub, will be patrolling the sidelines, right? I think Belichick is the better coach, but the gap isn't that wide. Our coaching staff isn't chopped liver. San Diego's defense has fallen apart with the succession of Phillips to Ted Cottrell, and Jason Garrett will be a head coach somewhere next year.

[monosylab1k]

If this was a pre-season game, I could see either team holding stuff back...but not in the regular season. You do everything you can to win.
Then what explains the Colts defense playing possum the last 6 weeks or so of the regular season last year?

[FromWayDowntown]

I would say that I agree about performances changing from week-to-week, and last week being just a bad game for NE...BUT, I've watched them at least 3 times this year, and so far, I haven't seen anything that has me, a Colts fan, shaking in my boots.
Oh boy...I didn't just jinx the Colts there, did I? The superstition is creeping in... :depressed

I don't really get that New England played poorly last week. They won an NFL game by 17 points. They were up 20-0 at the half and held a 27-10 lead relatively late in the 4th quarter. They did give up a late score when Cleveland got a short field opportunity (a punt return that gave them the ball at the +35), but the game was never really in any doubt. I'm sure Patriots' fans would have preferred a win by 30+, a shutout, and flawless execution, but I'm not sure that's the standard by which any team should be judged in assessing its quality -- particularly not in Week 5.

To me, it's scary that a team can play, basically, on cruise control for a half and win that game without ever having faced a real threat.

[Findog]

http://accuscore.com/patriots-at-cowboys/

For what it's worth, the smart money is on NW.

[SpursFanFirst]

Then what explains the Colts defense playing possum the last 6 weeks or so of the regular season last year?

No Bob Sanders? He didn't come back until the playoffs, right?
It's a whole different defense when he's around!

[stretch]

Asante Samuel is out? Thats really bad for the Patriots...

[Whisky Dog]

Then what explains the Colts defense playing possum the last 6 weeks or so of the regular season last year?


:lol They didn't play possum. They got gashed by the run due to several things - a lack of effort, injured personnel, and possibly a coasting mentality since they were a lock for the playoffs. They were able to step up their intensity for the playoffs and got an important piece of their defense back in Bob Sanders.

[SpursFanFirst]

I don't really get that New England played poorly last week. They won an NFL game by 17 points. They were up 20-0 at the half and held a 27-10 lead relatively late in the 4th quarter. They did give up a late score when Cleveland got a short field opportunity (a punt return that gave them the ball at the +35), but the game was never really in any doubt. I'm sure Patriots' fans would have preferred a win by 30+, a shutout, and flawless execution, but I'm not sure that's the standard by which any team should be judged in assessing its quality -- particularly not in Week 5.

To me, it's scary that a team can play, basically, on cruise control for a half and win that game without ever having faced a real threat.


In the end, the score made it look like a lopsided win, but I just saw Cleveland's QB as more of a help to NE than anything NE did on their own.

[monosylab1k]

No Bob Sanders? He didn't come back until the playoffs, right?
It's a whole different defense when he's around!
First off, Bob Sanders is way overrated. He helped a bunch but he singularly doesn't have the ability to turn a defense from "historically bad" to "championship good".

Dungy pulled a page from Belichick's "Idiot's Guide To Head Coaching In The NFL" and stopped showing his entire hand for 16 regular season games. And it worked perfectly.

[FromWayDowntown]

QB - Romo < Brady

Brady has the experience, but Romo is the more gifted QB, and a better playmaker. Brady wins, but not by a landslide.

Personally, I'd make it Brady by a pretty big margin. Joe Montana proved for years that you didn't have to be the most gifted QB in the league to be the best. Only Peyton Manning is in Tom Brady's league when it comes to reading defenses from the pocket, and I'd frankly trust Brady to make the big play sooner than I would trust Manning to do it. Brady is remarkable at spreading the ball and giving him Moss is almost close to unfair in terms of exploiting his ability to pick apart a defense -- he's never really had a big-time vertical threat until now; without a big-time veritcal threat, he's won 3 Super Bowls (and very nearly reached a 4th) and been the best playoff quarterback in football.

I think there's a definite step up from the class in which Romo finds himself and the class that Brady's in (without regard to team success). Brady rarely makes mistakes that cost his team; I'm not sure the same can be said of Romo at this point.

[FromWayDowntown]

In the end, the score made it look like a lopsided win, but I just saw Cleveland's QB as more of a help to NE than anything NE did on their own.

If New England's defense was able to create turnovers, couldn't that have been, at least in part, evidence of the Patriots' defense playing well and confusing a young quarterback? It seems to me that's a pretty big part of the game of football. . . .

[monosylab1k]

:lol They didn't play possum. They got gashed by the run due to several things - a lack of effort, injured personnel, and possibly a coasting mentality since they were a lock for the playoffs. They were able to step up their intensity for the playoffs and got an important piece of their defense back in Bob Sanders.
you wish it were that simple.

They just didn't have the heart to go win until Super Bob came and saved the day!

You seriously need to get into screenwriting, you're the perfect fit to write the next High School Team With No Talent Learns To Play With Heart And Discovers Their Inner Champion And Finally Wins The State Title.

[samikeyp]

For what it's worth, the smart money is on NW.

New Wengland? ;)

[Whisky Dog]

you wish it were that simple.

They just didn't have the heart to go win until Super Bob came and saved the day!

You seriously need to get into screenwriting, you're the perfect fit to write the next High School Team With No Talent Learns To Play With Heart And Discovers Their Inner Champion And Finally Wins The State Title.

?? That makes no sense. I didn't say the Colts defense had no talent. Are you saying that?


The Colts' defense didn't employ any new schemes for the postseason last year, they just ran the ones they were already using better. They executed their coverages and fought off blocks to make tackles better than they had during parts of the regular season. What kinds of big time adjustments and big scheme changes are you saying that Dungy withheld during the regular season? Give me a scheme. What did they change?

[monosylab1k]

Asante Samuel is out? Thats really bad for the Patriots...
:lmao you've spent all this time trashing him and calling him overrated and talking shit about how TO was gonna torch him, and now that he might not play suddenly it's "really bad"???

btw I see him listed as "probable" but again, and I know this is going to blow Whiskey Dog's mind since football is all about playing your best and leaving it all on the field and rah rah rah, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Belichick let Samuel sit this game out simply to give the Patriots another mental edge if the Super Bowl rematch happens.

[Whisky Dog]

I want super Pats fan Mono here to enlighten us:

What are some examples of the schemes or packages that Belicheck busts out only for the playoffs that puts his team over the top against the competition? During their Super Bowl wins, what did they change to get the advantage? What great strategy adjustments did Belichick make?

[monosylab1k]

They executed their coverages and fought off blocks to make tackles better than they had during parts of the regular season.
So they went from "shit" to "badass" by magic? By the simple act of working hard and wanting it more?

Or did they purposely hold back, making everyone believe that come playoff time they could run all over them....

[Whisky Dog]

:lmao you've spent all this time trashing him and calling him overrated and talking shit about how TO was gonna torch him, and now that he might not play suddenly it's "really bad"???

btw I see him listed as "probable" but again, and I know this is going to blow Whiskey Dog's mind since football is all about playing your best and leaving it all on the field and rah rah rah, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Belichick let Samuel sit this game out simply to give the Patriots another mental edge if the Super Bowl rematch happens.

If Samuel sits out it will be because of the injury, not to give the Patriots a mental edge if a rematch happens to occur in the Super Bowl. If he can play he's going to play. You think there is some sort of super-secret, espionage laden, diobolical planning at work here? How delusional of you.

[monosylab1k]

I want super Pats fan Mono here to enlighten us:

What are some examples of the schemes or packages that Belicheck busts out only for the playoffs that puts his team over the top against the competition? During their Super Bowl wins, what did they change to get the advantage? What great strategy adjustments did Belichick make?
They just worked harder and wanted it more than anybody else. That's all that matters in football.

[Whisky Dog]

So they went from "shit" to "badass" by magic? By the simple act of working hard and wanting it more?

Or did they purposely hold back, making everyone believe that come playoff time they could run all over them....

They didn't purposly hold back, they just stepped up their game because it was the playoffs and the level of play increases. It happens in every sport. The Spurs routinely coast until the playoffs before stepping up their intensity. It's not magic, it's playing at a different level because your opponent is of a better caliber, and because a loss and your season is over.

So, what are the big strategy adjustments that Billy uses to outsmart the competition in the playoffs?

[Whisky Dog]

They just worked harder and wanted it more than anybody else. That's all that matters in football.


Obviously a deflection on your part because you don't know what the hell you are talking about and have no answer for the BS you are spouting in here. I'll take that as a concession on your part.

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:lmao you've spent all this time trashing him and calling him overrated and talking shit about how TO was gonna torch him, and now that he might not play suddenly it's "really bad"???

btw I see him listed as "probable" but again, and I know this is going to blow Whiskey Dog's mind since football is all about playing your best and leaving it all on the field and rah rah rah, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Belichick let Samuel sit this game out simply to give the Patriots another mental edge if the Super Bowl rematch happens.
Yea, I still think T.O. would torch him regardless, but he is still FAR better than Hobbs or Gay. If they are really relying on Hobbs and Gay to hold it down, their secondary is in even deeper shit than I thought. And their safeties are slow as hell. That secondary is going to have some major problems.

[FromWayDowntown]

I want super Pats fan Mono here to enlighten us:

What are some examples of the schemes or packages that Belicheck busts out only for the playoffs that puts his team over the top against the competition? During their Super Bowl wins, what did they change to get the advantage? What great strategy adjustments did Belichick make?

I know in the playoffs one year, Belichick broke out a 2-man front (against Indy, I think) with 3 or 4 linebackers (depending on down & distance). The scheme challenge came from varying which linebackers or DBs would come down into the box to add to the pass rush while using a variety of under coverages with the remaining linebackers to take away some of the things that the Colts liked to do.

Belichick also devised a scheme that took advantage of the Patriots' defensive physicality in Super Bowl XXXIV (vs. the Rams) to really take the Rams' big-play capability away from them. I'd say that was a great strategy adjustment and that it played a huge role in an undermanned team coming up with a win.

[monosylab1k]

Obviously a deflection on your part because you don't know what the hell you are talking about and have no answer for the BS you are spouting in here. I'll take that as a concession on your part.
No, you've convinced me. Holding out a healthy Corey Dillon from a game, playing man-to-man against Plaxico Burress and never bringing double coverage, not running a zone blitz ever against a rookie QB.....and then doing the exact opposite in the AFC Championship game....that's not holding anything back during the regular season against the Steelers.....that's just not having the heart to win the game. In the Championship Game, they obviously had the heart, and Shittsburgh didn't.

[mardigan]

Hopefully Pat Watkins gets some run in at safety on Moss's side throughout the game. His size could be a huge asset.
Btw Stretch, Marvin Harrison has problems torching Samuels, I dont know if TO will be able to. I think a lot of crossing routes and slants will be more likely.
Both te's in this game will be huge.

[stretch]

Hopefully Pat Watkins gets some run in at safety on Moss's side throughout the game. His size could be a huge asset.
Btw Stretch, Marvin Harrison has problems torching Samuels, I dont know if TO will be able to. I think a lot of crossing routes and slants will be more likely.
Both te's in this game will be huge.
Harrison always crumbles in the playoffs.

T.O. made Samuels look like garbage in the Superbowl... oh yea, and on a broken leg.

[Obstructed_View]

If Monday was lack of focus against a terrible team that was basically playing their super bowl, then I like the Cowboys' chances. If Monday was proof that they now have tape on Romo, like his critics have been suggesting, then they should get killed.

You can't discount the Pats' big game experience, but that makes the win last year against the Colts a big stepping stone for the Cowboys. Their defense has shown fundamental improvement, even if they aren't making lots of flashy plays. And the dirtiest player on the field will have a star on his helmet. I wouldn't be surprised if Roy Williams has set 25k aside in advance of this game.

[monosylab1k]

Harrison always crumbles in the playoffs.

T.O. made Samuels look like garbage in the Superbowl... oh yea, and on a broken leg.
First off, that SB was Samuel's second season and he was only on TO because Ty Law was hurt.

Maybe you don't remember, but your beloved Terrence Newman played like shit in his second season.

[stretch]

First off, that SB was Samuel's second season and he was only on TO because Ty Law was hurt.

Maybe you don't remember, but your beloved Terrence Newman played like shit in his second season.
T.O. is still bigger, stronger, smarter, and faster than Samuel. Plus we all know that when he talks up a big game, he shows up. Especially when going against Randy Moss.

[Whisky Dog]

If Monday was lack of focus against a terrible team that was basically playing their super bowl, then I like the Cowboys' chances. If Monday was proof that they now have tape on Romo, like his critics have been suggesting, then they should get killed.

You can't discount the Pats' big game experience, but that makes the win last year against the Colts a big stepping stone for the Cowboys. Their defense has shown fundamental improvement, even if they aren't making lots of flashy plays. And the dirtiest player on the field will have a star on his helmet. I wouldn't be surprised if Roy Williams has set 25k aside in advance of this game.


At this point there isn't some big secret about Romo that can be figured out on tape, the Bills didn't even do anything really different than what Romo has seen before. Romo was just off, making the bad decision to force throws into coverage, and didn't take the 5 to 7 yarders in the check downs that the defense was giving him. It's more about Romo continuing to learn from mistakes than anything the defense can do to him.


We should have a VBookie on what quarter Roy will snap the leg of Randy Moss with a horse collar tackle.

[FromWayDowntown]

Especially when going against Randy Moss.

Do we really know that? Those guys have gone head-to-head 3 times that I count. In 2003, the Vikings beat the Niners 35-7; Moss had 8-172 and 3 scores while TO had 5-55. In 2004, Philly beat the Vikings 27-16; Moss had 8-69 and a score, while TO had 4-79 and a score. In 2005, Philly beat the Raiders 23-20; Moss had 5-86 while TO had 9-80 and a TD.

In 3 games, TO has 18 catches for 204 yards (11.3 avg) and 2 TD.

In 3 games, Moss has 21 catches for 327 yards (15.6 avg) and 4 TD.

[stretch]

Do we really know that? Those guys have gone head-to-head 3 times that I count. In 2003, the Vikings beat the Niners 35-7; Moss had 8-172 and 3 scores while TO had 5-55. In 2004, Philly beat the Vikings 27-16; Moss had 8-69 and a score, while TO had 4-79 and a score. In 2005, Philly beat the Raiders 23-20; Moss had 5-86 while TO had 9-80 and a TD.

In 3 games, TO has 18 catches for 204 yards (11.3 avg) and 2 TD.

In 3 games, Moss has 21 catches for 327 yards (15.6 avg) and 4 TD.
In those last two games, T.O. talked the game up, and showed up and made the big playes. I watched both of those games, and he had some very big plays at big times.

Also, Moss's stats are very inflated by that one game in 2003, which also was the year that San Fran turned into utter garbage, and T.O. started acting like an asshole and gave up on them.

[FromWayDowntown]

Also, Moss's stats are very inflated by that one game in 2003, which also was the year that San Fran turned into utter garbage, and T.O. started acting like an asshole and gave up on them.

Not so much.

Taking away the 2003 game, the numbers look like this:

TO: 13-159, 2TD
Moss: 13-155, TD

And it's not like the 2005 Raiders were somehow a stellar team . . . .

[stretch]

Not so much.

Taking away the 2003 game, the numbers look like this:

TO: 13-159, 2TD
Moss: 13-155, TD

And it's not like the 2005 Raiders were somehow a stellar team . . . .
How are you going to tell me that an extra 8 catches for 172 yards and 3 TDs is not inflating them much? You must be crazy.

Again, I also watched both of those games, start to finish. T.O.'s plays were far more meaningful and impressive than Moss' plays in those games.

[FromWayDowntown]

How are you going to tell me that an extra 8 catches for 172 yards and 3 TDs is not inflating them much? You must be crazy.

Again, I also watched both of those games, start to finish. T.O.'s plays were far more meaningful and impressive than Moss' plays in those games.

And I've shown you that their numbers, taking away the one huge game for Moss, are still almost identical. Unless you're going to tell me that 13-159 and 13-155 aren't very similar.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Wow, Cowboy Fan is betting this game hard. Line opened at 4.5 and is now 6.

The casinos are going to make a killing on this game.

[Whisky Dog]

Wow, Cowboy Fan is betting this game hard. Line opened at 4.5 and is now 6.

The casinos are going to make a killing on this game.

Cowboys are dogs or favored?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The Cowboys are favored.

Edit: My bad, the money is the other way. The Boys are dogs.

[dickface]

And I've shown you that their numbers, taking away the one huge game for Moss, are still almost identical. Unless you're going to tell me that 13-159 and 13-155 aren't very similar.
He just said that TO showed up, he didn't say anything about TO outplaying Moss.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Dallas is +6.

[FromWayDowntown]

He just said that TO showed up, he didn't say anything about TO outplaying Moss.

Fair enough -- but then you'd have to say, also, that Moss tends to show up (at least as well as TO) when playing against TO.

[monosylab1k]

I just heard on the radio that Maroney may not play....oh well, Sammy Morris is doing great anyways. Maroney is such a pussy. Great runner but he's got a major vagina and showed it in the playoffs last season.

Maroney is questionable, Samuel is now probable, and Adalius Thomas & Kevin Faulk should both be playing despite getting hurt on Sunday.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

When picking the outright winner in games like this, I almost always go with the team with the better QB. I think the Cowboys will cover and lose, 31-27.

[Hook Dem]

If you're betting on this game, why wouldn't you pick NE to win? That does not mean that the Cowboys don't have a legit chance to win.

[stretch]

And I've shown you that their numbers, taking away the one huge game for Moss, are still almost identical. Unless you're going to tell me that 13-159 and 13-155 aren't very similar.
Not once did I say that they aren't similar. I just said that T.O. had the bigger and more meaningful plays in those games. Stats don't always tell the whole story. And I think dickface summed it up well for me.

[Findog]

wow, the Cowboys are getting 6 points at home???? Unbelievable. I'll pick them to cover and lose as well. They will play better than they did against Buffalo. That was the Bills' Super Bowl.

[Walter Craparita]

I wouldn't be surprised if Roy Williams has set 25k aside in advance of this game.

haha

[popshark86]

Whoever makes the fewest big mistakes in this game wins. Thats how close these teams are to each other.


:lol

[TMSKILZ]

Sadly, I have to pick NE. I will be rooting my ass off for Dallas, I think they have a shot and will gladly be wrong if the Cowboys win but the Pats are too good.I bet you posted the same crap when we were going to face the Colts last yr w/ their undefeated record @ the time!

On paper everything looks one sided for a team, but that's why you play the games on the field & not on paper.

If we reduce our turnovers & slow down Moss & score Tds instead of FGs, we'll win.

Romo for MVP!

[Duff McCartney]

If this was a pre-season game, I could see either team holding stuff back...but not in the regular season. You do everything you can to win.

As my cousin and I say in our countless imitations of Herm Edwards...why do we play? We play to win the game.

[O-Factor]

I love the Cowboys, but people need to quit putting the Cowboys AND the Pats in the Superbowl so early in the season. We are only in week 6. We need to see if Romo can do what he's been doing for a whole season(I think he will) and the Pats still have to contend with Indy(a more important matchup for the pats later on this season and I assume the playoffs).

[popshark86]

I love the Cowboys, but people need to quit putting the Cowboys AND the Pats in the Superbowl so early in the season. We are only in week 6. We need to see if Romo can do what he's been doing for a whole season(I think he will) and the Pats still have to contend with Indy(a more important matchup for the pats later on this season and I assume the playoffs).


:clap

bears will take the nfc

[peewee's lovechild]

:clap

bears will take the nfc

Hey, pooper!!

What happened to the Bears when they played the Cowboys a few weeks ago??

I mean, since you're picking them to take the NFC and all that.

[peewee's lovechild]

It must really suck to be a Dolphin fan right about now.

[BeerIsGood!]

I'm sick of all the talk and hype, I can't wait for this game to start.

[popshark86]

Hey, pooper!!

What happened to the Bears when they played the Cowboys a few weeks ago??

I mean, since you're picking them to take the NFC and all that.

hey caca

what week was this, week 3, long season

plus we all know that the only reason cowgirls won was becuz of Rex and the bears injuries, you should know that stuff

if Kolb gets injured, you can kiss this season goodbye, lol (overated team, barely beat the bills)




:elephant

[L.I.T]

hey caca

what week was this, week 3, long season

plus we all know that the only reason cowgirls won was becuz of Rex and the bears injuries, you should know that stuff

if Kolb gets injured, you can kiss this season goodbye, lol (overated team, barely beat the bills)




:elephant

Week 5. All the losses must be running together.

[BeerIsGood!]

hey caca

what week was this, week 3, long season

plus we all know that the only reason cowgirls won was becuz of Rex and the bears injuries, you should know that stuff

if Kolb gets injured, you can kiss this season goodbye, lol (overated team, barely beat the bills)




:elephant


I'm sure the Dolphins would kill for a "barely beat the ______" right about now.


Only a complete fucking idiot talks shit about a 5-0 team in the NFL. To quote Timmy that's just (fucking) retarted.

[O-Factor]

:clap

bears will take the nfc

Shut the fuck up! Get the fuck out of here you stupid piece of shit troll. You're a fucking idiot who contributes nothing to this forum!

[samikeyp]

Shut the fuck up! Get the fuck out of here you stupid piece of shit troll. You're a fucking idiot who contributes nothing to this forum!

To be fair though...if that was a requirement for staying, dozens of people would have to go. :lol

[popshark86]

Shut the fuck up! Get the fuck out of here you stupid piece of shit troll. You're a fucking idiot who contributes nothing to this forum!

fuck you, i can talk all i want about the bears you piece of shit cowboy troll

not every spurs fan is a cowboys fan and this is not a cowboys forum idiot :p:

[O-Factor]

To be fair though...if that was a requirement for staying, dozens of people would have to go. :lol

Everyone including me, talk shit for fun, but they also contribute to good debate and know their stuff when it comes to talking NFL. This guy is a troll and knows nothing about football. His posts are only to disrupt the flow of a forum and to piss people off with asinine comments, all of which make no sense and have no bearing on the thread topic.

[samikeyp]

Everyone including me, talk shit for fun, but they also contribute to good debate and know their stuff when it comes to talking NFL. This guy is a troll and knows nothing about football. His posts are only to disrupt the flow of a forum and to piss people off with asinine comments, all of which make no sense and have no bearing on the thread topic

Sadly not everyone. Popshark is a troll but he is not the only one. There are trolls out there even worse than him.

Ok..maybe not worse but just as bad. :lol

[O-Factor]

Sadly not everyone. Popshark is a troll but he is not the only one. There are trolls out there even worse than him.

Ok..maybe not worse but just as bad. :lol

Well, you've been on here longer,(over 19,000 posts! :toast ) so Im sure you've seen your fair share of idiocy, stupidity, retardedness, ignorance and trolling, all of which are traits of the aforementioned piece of shit.

[ATRAIN]

Everyone including me, talk shit for fun, but they also contribute to good debate and know their stuff when it comes to talking NFL. This guy is a troll and knows nothing about football. His posts are only to disrupt the flow of a forum and to piss people off with asinine comments, all of which make no sense and have no bearing on the thread topic.


Its true Ofactor can be a very annoying and ignorant troll, but in a serious discussion he does have knowledge even when being a homer. I just wish he would stay out of the baseball forum since he inst even a baseball fan hahaha.

[popshark86]

Everyone including me, talk shit for fun, but they also contribute to good debate and know their stuff when it comes to talking NFL. This guy is a troll and knows nothing about football. His posts are only to disrupt the flow of a forum and to piss people off with asinine comments, all of which make no sense and have no bearing on the thread topic.

look whos talking

if you knew football like you say you do



you should know that the cowboys are overrated

[BeerIsGood!]

wow. The record means nothing. Well said.

The record is only what determines the success of a season and if a team even gets a chance to enter the playoffs and contend for a championship. The record is the most important statistic there is in any sport.

[samikeyp]

Well, you've been on here longer,(over 19,000 posts! :toast ) so Im sure you've seen your fair share of idiocy, stupidity, retardedness, ignorance and trolling, all of which are traits of the aforementioned piece of shit.

Thanks. :toast

Yes I have and Popshark is one of the worst.

[ATRAIN]

wow. The record means nothing. Well said.

The record is only what determines the success of a season and if a team even gets a chance to enter the playoffs and contend for a championship. The record is the most important statistic there is in any sport.


hahahaha So since the record means nothing, what in your opinion matters? Stats? Directed to poop of course.

[popshark86]

Thanks. :toast

Yes I have and Popshark is one of the worst.

weird

im not even a troll

im a spurs fan just like you

[ATRAIN]

weird

im not even a troll


LOL so your just an idiot then?

[popshark86]

hahahaha So since the record means nothing, what in your opinion matters? Stats? Directed to poop of course.

championships

[popshark86]

LOL so your just an idiot then?


:wtf u fucked it up

[ATRAIN]

championships


But how can you get there if your 0-5.........?? But yet records dont matter right?

[BeerIsGood!]

championships

Damn hard to get one of those without a good record.

[popshark86]

But how can you get there if your 0-5.........?? But yet records dont matter right?

never said the fins were good

the cowboys and green bay are overrated

the whole nfc sucks

titans and raiders can beat any team in the nfc

[ATRAIN]

Damn hard to get one of those without a good record.


With that logic I guess the Dolphins are a front runner for the championship huh?

[ATRAIN]

never said the fins were good

the cowboys and green bay are overrated

the whole nfc sucks

titans and raiders can beat any team in the nfc


RAIDERS? LOL your digging yourself deeper and deeper!!

[popshark86]

With that logic I guess the Dolphins are a front runner for the championship huh?

u fucked it up again

[popshark86]

RAIDERS? LOL your digging yourself deeper and deeper!!

how many ints will romo throw agaisnt the raiders

u really think the boys can stop raiders running game

[samikeyp]

the record means nothing, some teams play easier teams, the chargers were almost perfect last year and they werent the best

you should know that the cowboys are overrated

Those are opinions not facts, except the part about S.D.'s record

Because they are not facts, O-Factor was neither right nor wrong, even though you disagree with him. Because opinions are not fact, they cannot be right or wrong.



im not even a troll

Actually, you are. You are not here to talk football, you are here for the sole reason to flame on the Cowboys. You don't like the Cowboys? Cool. No one says you have to. You like your team. Great, you should. But seriously, Dallas could have played the five best teams in the league, beaten them all by 21, Romo tosses 4 TDs in each, runs for 2 more, has no int's or fumbles and you will still bash him. I am still waiting for your "haha, Romo's dad has cancer" post. Although now that I called you out on that you won't do it to spite me.

[ATRAIN]

how many ints will romo throw agaisnt the raiders

u really think the boys can stop raiders running game


HAHAHA LAMONT JORDAN hahahah

[popshark86]

HAHAHA LAMONT JORDAN hahahah

lets see if you know football

who is the best running back so far in the nfl this year

its not lt

[ATRAIN]

u fucked it up again


how by calling your out on YOUR fuck up!! Its funny how everyone here acknowledges that your an idiot!!

[O-Factor]

Damn hard to get one of those without a good record.

Dude, don't even waste you time with this fuckhead, I mean look below...




the cowboys and green bay are overrated

the whole nfc sucks

titans and raiders can beat any team in the nfc

Never mind an NFC team has already beaten the Raiders.
FUCKING STUPID!

[samikeyp]

lets see if you know football

who is the best running back so far in the nfl this year

its not lt

Willie Parker

[popshark86]

Dude, don't even waste you time with this fuckhead, I mean look below...




Never mind an NFC team has already beaten the Raiders.
FUCKING STUPID!

just becuz some nfc beat the raiders

doesnt mean the girls can beat the raiders

dumbass

[O-Factor]

Actually, you are. You are not here to talk football, you are here for the sole reason to flame on the Cowboys. You don't like the Cowboys? Cool. No one says you have to. You like your team. Great, you should. But seriously, Dallas could have played the five best teams in the league, beaten them all by 21, Romo tosses 4 TDs in each, runs for 2 more, has no int's or fumbles and you will still bash him. I am still waiting for your "haha, Romo's dad has cancer" post. Although now that I called you out on that you won't do it to spite me.

Cheers again :toast

[popshark86]

Willie Parker

wrong

statistically, its ronnie brown

[ATRAIN]

lets see if you know football

who is the best running back so far in the nfl this year

its not lt


So now your saying STATS are more important? Ok well on that logic Willie Parker is the leading rusher this season so far. Lamont is not even top 5.

[samikeyp]

wrong

statistically, its ronnie brown

Wrong. Willie Parker leads the league in rushing, statistically.

[ATRAIN]

Willie Parker leads the league in rushing, statistically.


Guess he is calling you a liar mike, here noob here is a link see for yourself

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RUSHING&conf=ALL&season=2007&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

[samikeyp]

Guess so.

My bad....I was relying on those things, what do you call them...oh yeah, facts. :)

[ATRAIN]

wrong

statistically, its ronnie brown


OK so your saying its Ronnie Brown, why even bring up Lamont and try to defend him like he is the best RB in football??

[samikeyp]

Fair or not, RB's are judged on rushing yards.

Or is this the whole "he's on my team and I think he's the bestest so he's #1" thing?

[popshark86]

Fair or not, RB's are judged on rushing yards.

Or is this the whole "he's on my team and I think he's the bestest so he's #1" thing?

i meant total yards from scrimmage

my bad

including receiving yards

[samikeyp]

Fair enough, but just because you think that makes him the best, doesn't make it so.

[popshark86]

Fair enough, but just because you think that makes him the best, doesn't make it so.

ronnie brown is the next LT

good size

great speed

great hands

future hall of famer

[ATRAIN]

ronnie brown is the next LT

good size

great speed

great hands


And Trent Green is the next Montana...........oh wait........awwwwwwwwww tooo soon?

[popshark86]

OK so your saying its Ronnie Brown, why even bring up Lamont and try to defend him like he is the best RB in football??

lamont jordan led the nfl in rushing before raiders bye week

fucker is hard to tackle

[popshark86]

And Trent Green is the next Montana...........oh wait........awwwwwwwwww tooo soon?

you fucked it up again

[ATRAIN]

lamont jordan led the nfl in rushing before raiders bye week

fucker is hard to tackle


and you know this how?? Do you play for Miami?? Is that you Porter?

[popshark86]

and you know this how?? Do you play for Miami?? Is that you Porter?

i know more football than you thats why

[ATRAIN]

you fucked it up again


Im just trying to dumb it down for you.

[ATRAIN]

i know more football than you thats why


LOL yeah you have done a GREAT job proving what kind of football Guru you are!!

[popshark86]

LOL yeah you have done a GREAT job proving what kind of football Guru you are!!

im not the only one saying the cowboys are overrated

i would still pick the Texans over the cowboys

[ATRAIN]

im not the only one saying the cowboys are overrated

i would still pick the Texans over the cowboys


Over-rated or not you dont realize that being the only unbeaten in the NFC makes you the BEST team in the NFC. I would pick the Texans over the Cowboys in a game any day, BUT im a fan thats what they do. Would I be making the WRONG pick.......YES but I do realize that.

[popshark86]

Over-rated or not you dont realize that being the only unbeaten in the NFC makes you the BEST team in the NFC. I would pick the Texans over the Cowboys in a game any day, BUT im a fan thats what they do. Would I be making the WRONG pick.......YES but I do realize that.

u do realize that the nfc sucks

do u watch any other teams play on tv

or only the texans

[ATRAIN]

u do realize that the nfc sucks

do u watch any other teams play on tv

or only the texans


Yes I watch other teams, and you know what any NFC team >>>> Dolphins

[samikeyp]

i would still pick the Texans over the cowboys

You would pick anyone over the Cowboys because you hate the Cowboys. You are incapable of being objective.


u do realize that the nfc sucks

Again, opinion not fact. Just because you say it, doesn't mean its true.

[popshark86]

Yes I watch other teams, and you know what any NFC team >>>> Dolphins

lol

i dont know

were getting better on o

if it wasnt for Kris Brown kicking 2 54 yard field goals and a 57

[ATRAIN]

You would pick anyone over the Cowboys because you hate the Cowboys. You are incapable of being objective.



Again, opinion not fact. Just because you say it, doesn't mean its true.


Plus 2 out of the 5 teams that the cowboys have beaten play for GUESS WHAT.......THE AFC!!

[popshark86]

Plus 2 out of the 5 teams that the cowboys have beaten play for GUESS WHAT.......THE AFC!!

bills and fins :lol :toast

[ATRAIN]

lol

i dont know

were getting better on o

if it wasnt for Kris Brown kicking 2 54 yard field goals and a 57


Id pick any team against the Dolphins any day. They are horrible and yes we barely beat you guys, but lets see without our starting Center, Without 3 of our Wide Recievers, Without Ahman Green. Your def let Ron Dayne rush for 40 yards and a TD and he SUCKS!!

[samikeyp]

bills and fins

Still AFC

[Melmart1]

lol

i dont know

were getting better on o

if it wasnt for Kris Brown kicking 2 54 yard field goals and a 57
This is quite possibly the dumbest arguments that homers use.

"If it wasn't for that Ginobili foul, the Spurs would have three-peat"

Yeah, well guess what? It happened. You could use a million "If it wasn't for" scenarios to explain away a loss but it doesn't change the fact that

1. Your team lost
2. Your team sucks
3. You're an idiot

I am damn tired of you hijacking every Cowboys thread and turning it into a stupidfest. But I guess talking shit is all that Finfan has left since their season is essentially already over.

[ATRAIN]

bills and fins :lol :toast


You laugh but according to your logic any team in the AFC is better than any team in the NFC. So which is it?

[popshark86]

Id pick any team against the Dolphins any day. They are horrible and yes we barely beat you guys, but lets see without our starting Center, Without 3 of our Wide Recievers, Without Ahman Green. Your def let Ron Dayne rush for 40 yards and a TD and he SUCKS!!

only reason we lost to the texans is becuz we changed qb's during the game

green was doing pretty good before he got hurt

we were moving the ball

lemon looked lost

:bang

[ATRAIN]

I am damn tired of you hijacking every Cowboys thread and turning it into a stupidfest. But I guess talking shit is all that Finfan has left since their season is essentially already over.


I don't know Mel according to him the record doesn't matter.

[samikeyp]

lemon looked lost

I thought Lemon>Romo.

[ATRAIN]

only reason we lost to the texans is becuz we changed qb's during the game

green was doing pretty good before he got hurt

we were moving the ball

lemon looked lost

:bang


hahah keep telling yourself that you would have won if green would have played little guy.

[popshark86]

This is quite possibly the dumbest arguments that homers use.

"If it wasn't for that Ginobili foul, the Spurs would have three-peat"

Yeah, well guess what? It happened. You could use a million "If it wasn't for" scenarios to explain away a loss but it doesn't change the fact that

1. Your team lost
2. Your team sucks
3. You're an idiot

I am damn tired of you hijacking every Cowboys thread and turning it into a stupidfest. But I guess talking shit is all that Finfan has left since their season is essentially already over.

wow u are an idiot who ever u are

its really hard kicking 2 54 yards and a 57 in a single game idiot

that kind of shit doesn't happen

especially to a below average kicker

[popshark86]

You laugh but according to your logic any team in the AFC is better than any team in the NFC. So which is it?

when did i say that every team

but the bills played better than the boys, even tough they fucked it up in the end

stupid onside kick

[ATRAIN]

I thought Lemon>Romo.


hahahah, I bet you poop was excited when Lemon came on the field and was thinking if Willie Beaman can do it Lemon can too.

[popshark86]

I thought Lemon>Romo.

yup

thats why i think romo is overated

they both suck

bad accuracy

weak arm

[ATRAIN]

when did i say that every team

but the bills played better than the boys, even tough they fucked it up in the end

stupid onside kick


They choked the cowboys didn't, inst that another sign of a great team vs a sucky one?

[samikeyp]

woulda, coulda, shoulda means nothing.

All that matters is the W...your team didn't.

Losers, homers and fools make excuses.

[popshark86]

hahahah, I bet you poop was excited when Lemon came on the field and was thinking if Willie Beaman can do it Lemon can too.

i was hoping beck would play

not lemon

[samikeyp]

You really, honestly think that Cleo Lemon is better than Tony Romo.

[ATRAIN]

wow u are an idiot who ever u are

its really hard kicking 2 54 yards and a 57 in a single game idiot

that kind of shit doesn't happen

especially to a below average kicker


If it was 1 kick than maybe I would say that was lucky, but 3 50 plus yarders...come on man!!

[popshark86]

They choked the cowboys didn't, inst that another sign of a great team vs a sucky one?


not when u barely beat a team that is having issues

and a really bad coach

[popshark86]

You really, honestly think that Cleo Lemon is better than Tony Romo.

i honestly think Romo would be a nobody just like Lemon if he was with the fins

Romo has to much talent around him to picl him up after he fucks it up

thats what happen with the bills, his team bailed him out

[samikeyp]

So Romo has no talent whatsoever.

[Melmart1]

When you say Miami,
You're Talking Super Bowl!

[popshark86]

So Romo has no talent whatsoever.

every qb in the nfl has talent to make it with a team

but Romo will never be a elite qb

just watch

Romo = Grossman

Jerry Jones is a smart man, waiting for the year to finish before giving him the big contract

romo better pray Witten doesnt get hurt

[samikeyp]

every qb in the nfl has talent to make it with a team

but Romo will never be a elite qb

just watch

Romo = Grossman

Again...opinion not fact.

Then again, if Romo were to become an elite qb, you would never admit it.

[popshark86]

Again...opinion not fact.

Then again, if Romo were to become an elite qb, you would never admit it.

why not :toast

[samikeyp]

Because you are incapable of objective thought when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys.

[popshark86]

Romo >>>>>> Brady, Moss>>>>>>>T.O. Barber, Jones>>>>>>>>Morris, Maroney. NE DEF >>>>>DAL Def. Its going to be the best game to date and I think the boys will win if they can control the clock and run the ball effectively.


atrain

are u saying romo is a better qb than brady :dramaquee

[StylisticS]

i honestly think Romo would be a nobody just like Lemon if he was with the fins

Romo has to much talent around him to picl him up after he fucks it up

thats what happen with the bills, his team bailed him out

what bullshit. We have a old Terrell Owens and a two receivers in Crayton who was a 7th rounder as well as Hurd he was a UD free agent as well as no premier running back. Besides TO, the only other capable very talented offensive pro bowl player is Jason Witten (not to shit on Marion, Hurd, and Crayton). Know wtf you are takling about before opening your mouth.

[peewee's lovechild]

hahahah, I bet you poop was excited when Lemon came on the field and was thinking if Willie Beaman can do it Lemon can too.

:lol

[peewee's lovechild]

every qb in the nfl has talent to make it with a team


Don't tell that to Charlie Fry.

[Obstructed_View]

The Cowboys' pass rush is going to have to play out of their minds or Moss is going to destroy them. Newman has no speed and Reeves has no technique, and Williams is going to be playing close to the line. After Bellicose manufactured some disrespect for his guys, I'm glad I don't have to come up with a game plan for New England.

[popshark86]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[Obstructed_View]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Sept. 9 at Washington Redskins 13-16 L
SEPT. 16 DALLAS COWBOYS 20-37 L
Sept. 23 at New York Jets 28-31 L
SEPT. 30 OAKLAND RAIDERS 17-35 L
Oct. 7 at Houston Texans 19-22 L
Oct. 14 at Cleveland Browns 31-41 L

[peewee's lovechild]

Sept. 9 at Washington Redskins 13-16 L
SEPT. 16 DALLAS COWBOYS 20-37 L
Sept. 23 at New York Jets 28-31 L
SEPT. 30 OAKLAND RAIDERS 17-35 L
Oct. 7 at Houston Texans 19-22 L
Oct. 14 at Cleveland Browns 31-41 L

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[peewee's lovechild]

The Dolphins are the record holders for a perfect season.

Now, they're on their way to a perfectly defeated season.

0-16.