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xrayzebra
10-11-2007, 03:19 PM
Just a mere Trillion. Now Billary can come forth with her
million ideas.



The trillion dollar tax fight
By: Lisa Lerer
October 11, 2007 08:47 AM EST

By now, everyone knows Rep. Charles B. Rangel is poised to introduce the “mother” of all tax reforms, the biggest and most expensive tax code overhaul since 1986. But what they don’t know is how the New York Democrat plans to pay the more than $1 trillion price tag — and that uncertainty is fueling rampant speculation from Capitol Hill to K Street.

The classic Washington guessing game is frustrating anxious corporate lobbyists but amusing others, including the House Ways and Means Committee chairman who started it all. “It is surprising how nervous people get when I use the words ‘fairness’ and ‘equity’ to describe our efforts to simplify the tax code and encourage economic investment,” the New York Democrat told Politico.

The fiscal fortunetellers fall into four categories: Robin Hoods, Goldilockses, Chicken Littles and Scarecrows.

The Robin Hoods predict Rangel will increase taxes on the very rich and expand breaks for the poor. Rangel’s most talked-about goal is to eradicate the alternative minimum tax, expected to hit 23 million high- and middle-income families this year.

Repealing the AMT would reduce federal tax revenue by more than $800 billion over the next 10 years — and that’s assuming the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010. With the tax cuts in place, the costs would near $1 trillion.

Robin Hoods expect Rangel to swap the AMT for a new tax targeted exclusively at the highest-income payers. One often-mentioned idea, proposed by Leonard Burman, director of the Urban Institute’s Tax Policy Center, would impose a 4 percent surcharge on unmarried taxpayers making more than $100,000 a year and couples making more than $200,000.

The 4 percent tax proposal is more progressive than the AMT, Burman said, as it would place more of the tax burden on the wealthy. Almost 58 percent of the tax would be paid by taxpayers with incomes over $1 million. Under the current AMT law, the same group will pay only 8 percent of the AMT in 2010 — again, assuming the expiration of the Bush tax cuts.

Burman’s idea carries more than a whiff of irony. The AMT was originally designed to increase taxes on high-income individuals. When it was first passed in 1969 — a year before Rangel came to Congress — it targeted 155 high-income taxpayers.


Over the past 38 years, the AMT spiraled far beyond its initial targets. By 2017, it is estimated that the tax would hit at least one-third of all taxpayers.

Burman says his proposal would raise enough money to finance a complete repeal of the AMT, but, he cautions, it is not without political peril. “The advantage is that only high-income people pay the tax,” he said. “The disadvantage is that some people are going to be paying more taxes and aren’t going to be very happy about it.”

That’s the reason another group — the Goldilockses — anticipates a slightly different landscape. This group predicts that Rangel will cobble funding together through a set of tax code tweaks. The Goldilockses say he’ll try closing different variations of the so-called tax loopholes until he finds the politically palatable mix that’s “just right,” as Goldilocks once said.

“There are a lot of problems with the code, so there’s a lot that would have to get moved around to make it work,” says Cristina Begona Martin Firvida, director of government affairs for the National Women’s Law Center. “We’re assuming that they’re thinking of moving a lot of pieces.”



The Goldilocks path wouldn’t be easy for Rangel. After all, the more industries you tax, the more enemies you make in the process.

The current debate over the so-called carried interest bill, argue the Goldilockses, is a preview of the kinds of fights to come. The bill, sponsored by Reps. Sander M. Levin (D-Mich.) and Rangel, would more than double the taxes paid by investment managers, and it has drawn the vocal opposition of much of the business community.

Academics estimate the bill would raise anywhere from $3 billion to $10 billion. (The Joint Tax Committee has yet to release a calculation.)

Another, albeit unlikely, tweak would involve reducing or even eliminating deductions for state and local taxes. The idea was proposed in the final report of President Bush’s Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform, put out in November 2005.

This change most likely would benefit rich taxpayers who are more likely to itemize deductions, Burman said. But those in lower income brackets would be loath to lose any type of deduction, as well — a feeling they’d certainly share with their congressmen.

Firvida and others mention an economic substance law, an idea proposed by Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas). The law would crack down on companies using shelters solely to avoid taxes. A similar idea is under consideration by the Senate Finance Committee, which estimates the law would raise roughly $10 billion.


Above all, Republicans fear that Rangel will drum up dollars by raising the 15 percent capital gains tax rate. The 1986 tax reform package raised the rate to 28 percent, the highest in more than 50 years. Since then, the rate has been lowered during both the Clinton and the current Bush administrations.

Democrats in Congress have been relatively quiet on the issue, but Democratic presidential hopefuls John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) have supported the increase on the campaign trail.

A small but growing group of Chicken Little-style predictors are churning fears with cataclysmic claims about Rangel’s intentions. “We are looking at the remainder of the year to be ground zero for the tax fight of all tax fights,” said Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.). “This tax hike is going to hit the American people, businesses and investors who are, quite frankly, relying on this Congress to be fiscally prudent.”

Finally, there are the world-weary voices of the Scarecrows, who offer the sort of thoughtful analysis of perilous predicaments that calmed the character’s fellow travelers in Oz. The tax sky isn’t really falling, they say, and it’s highly unlikely Rangel will get much done before the end of the session. Rather, he’s simply setting the stage for a longer battle.

“What can I do?” asked R. Bruce Josten, executive vice president of government affairs at the Chamber of Commerce. “I can’t flail around town at every little comment or breath or utterance he makes.”

Both the administration and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) support a one-year fix of the AMT. “What we need to get done and can get done is a patch that can fix the AMT,” Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in a private meeting with reporters last month.

In the House, Rangel would be waging an uphill fight to win over both Republicans and fiscally conservative “Blue Dog” Democrats. And next year, of course, the elections will steal the stage.

“A lot of time was involved in the 1986 effort,” Burman said. “It took a couple years of work and required strong support from the president. You really need bipartisan support.”

With a veto-loving president and a stymied Congress, that sounds about as likely to happen as a fairy tale.



TM & © THE POLITICO & POLITICO.COM, a division of Allbritton Communications Company

Wild Cobra
10-11-2007, 06:53 PM
All I can say is that if we get a democrat for president in 2009 and the democrats keep control of congress, we are doomed. This nation will go bankrupt

exstatic
10-11-2007, 09:18 PM
All I can say is that if we get a democrat for president in 2009 and the democrats keep control of congress, we are doomed. This nation will go bankrupt
You're fucking kidding, right? Bush asked for $180B for Iraq ALONE next year. "Staying the course" is a MUCH more likely road to bankruptcy.

Wild Cobra
10-12-2007, 01:09 AM
You're fucking kidding, right? Bush asked for $180B for Iraq ALONE next year. "Staying the course" is a MUCH more likely road to bankruptcy.
Really?

Well guess what. All funds deficit for FY 2006 was $248 billion, and clocked in at $161 billion for FY 2007 (ended 9/31/07). Pretty damn good considering we are spending so much extra on the war efforts. If we have the same trend for 2007 to 2008 as from 2006 to 2007, the deficit for FY 2008 will be about $80 billion, and close to nothing for FY 2009. With the war spending!

We have been receiving so much more in revenues from the tax cuts. If we get a democrap controlled government, you can expect tax increases hampering the economy, and reducing revenues for FY 2010.

What can we expect? The democraps pulling the war funding and raking in $300+ billion deficits without the war spending!

BradLohaus
10-12-2007, 01:39 AM
Both parties spend like crazy and use shady accounting and best-case-scenario forecasts to justify it. Both are leading us into bankruptcy, although on slightly different roads. But Hillary's road looks like the shortest.

Wild Cobra
10-12-2007, 02:15 AM
Both parties spend like crazy and use shady accounting and best-case-scenario forecasts to justify it. Both are leading us into bankruptcy, although on slightly different roads. But Hillary's road looks like the shortest.
I agree with that for the most part. However, I think the republicans learned, and the hard way, what their base expects with the 2006 losses. The democrats didn't win 2006 by merit, the republicans lost by lack of fiscal restraint, and border security. Between tax breaks and the falling dollar, the finances of our country are currently heading the right way. Just think where we could be without the War on Terror, 9/11, and Katrina spending, and the unneeded pork spending!

Some articles on the budget and trade deficits, with a part of the text:

US Budget Deficit Drops to 5-Year Low (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/10/11/ap4212642.html)


Both revenues and spending climbed to record levels in 2007. Spending rose by 2.8 percent to $2.73 trillion while revenues rose by a faster 6.7 percent to a record $2.57 trillion, a gain the administration attributed to the economic stimulus from the president's tax cuts.

US Treasury reports 163 bln usd budget deficit for fiscal year 2007 (http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2007/10/11/afx4210999.html)


Government receipts in full-year 2007 were up 161 bln usd, a 6.7 pct increase over the prior year's receipts. Treasury said full-year 2007 was the third consecutive year in which growth in receipts outpaced growth in GDP.

Treasury said receipts from individual income taxes increased by 11.4 pct over the fiscal year, while receipts from corporations increased by 4.6 pct.

Government outlays increased by 76 bln usd, up 2.9 pct from last year's outlays.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the reduced budget deficit is the result of the 'remarkable strength of the US economy.'

'This strength has translated into record-breaking revenues flowing into the US Treasury and a continued decline in the federal budget deficit,' Paulson said. 'President Bush's fiscal policies have helped promote economic growth and steady job creation.'

US August trade deficit narrows 2.4 pct to 57.6 bln usd UPDATE (http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2007/10/11/afx4210274.html)


WASHINGTON (Thomson Financial) - The US trade deficit narrowed more than expected in August to its lowest level in seven months, as record exports more than compensated for record oil import prices.

This left the real, inflation-adjusted trade deficit at its lowest level in more than three years.

The Commerce Department reported a 57.6 bln usd trade gap, down 2.4 pct from July's revised 59.0 bln usd. Economists were looking for a 59.0 bln usd August deficit.

Trade Deficit Lowest in Seven Months (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/10/11/ap4212955.html)


A weaker dollar makes the cost of imports and foreign trips more expensive for Americans, but makes American products cheaper on overseas markets.

Imports actually dropped by 0.4 percent to $195.9 billion, reflecting lower shipments of foreign cars and furniture, which offset a big increase in the foreign oil bill, which rose to the highest level in a year, as the price of a barrel of imported crude hit an all-time high.

The politically sensitive trade deficit with China fell by 5.3 percent to $22.5 billion but remained on track to surpass last year's record figure, a development that is causing heartburn in Congress.