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boutons_
10-12-2007, 09:13 AM
October 12, 2007

Tax Cuts Increased Income, but Hardly Equally


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By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/j/david_cay_johnston/index.html?inline=nyt-per)

New data shows that after adjusting for inflation, 95 percent of Americans reported smaller incomes to the tax man in 2005 than in 2000.

Despite this, all Americans had more in their pockets as a result of the Bush tax cuts, although the increases ranged from barely perceptible for the bottom half of American earners to thousands of dollars a month for those at the top, Internal Revenue Service (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/i/internal_revenue_service/index.html?inline=nyt-org) figures show.

For the bottom half of Americans, the average after-tax income in 2005 was $14,526, which was $20 a month more than in 2000. Without the tax cuts, their incomes would have slipped by $234 a year, or around $20 a month.

The next higher 25 percent, who made $30,881 to $62,068, had on average $52 a month more after taxes in 2005. For the next 20 percent above that, the increase ranged from $144 to $274 a month.

The only group to report higher incomes both before and after taxes was the top 5 percent.

After-tax income for the 96th through 99th rungs on the income ladder rose $5,656 on average, or $471 a month. For the top 1 percent, whose incomes averaged more than $1.2 million, after-tax income rose by $64,796, or $5,400 a month, even though their average income rose only $18,000 in the same period. More than 75 percent of taxpayers make less than $5,400 a month.

Analysis of the new income tax data, known as Table 5 (http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=129270,00.html), also shows that while incomes rose markedly in 2005 from 2004, with all taxpayers’ average income up nearly 4 percent in real terms, average pretax income declined slightly for 75 percent of Americans.

Among the top quarter of American earners — those whose average incomes did rise in 2005 compared with the year before — more than half of the gains went to the top 1 percent.

The figures on incomes, both before and after taxes, help explain why so many Americans report feeling economic distress, despite overall economic growth since the Internet bubble burst on Wall Street in 2000 and the 9/11 attacks the next year. Other official data shows that median household income in 2006 rose by a fraction of 1 percent over 2005 only because more people were working and they were working longer hours.

Chris Edwards, director of tax policy for the Cato Institute (http://cato.org/), the nation’s leading promoter of libertarian thought, said that even the income gains among the top 1 percent might be illusory because this group gets most of the income from business. He pointed to a report this week in Tax Notes (http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/features.nsf/Articles/FE9DCA58402875D7852573680064DA50?OpenDocument) magazine, by Peter Merrill of PricewaterhouseCoopers, that said partnerships and limited liability companies reported 51.5 percent of all business income in 2004, up from 47.3 percent in 2000.

Mr. Edwards said that income from such businesses shows up on the tax returns of individuals, not their companies, and so the rise in reported income at the top may represent a change in how income is reported.

( well, fuck it, personal income is income. These types of businesses pass their income to individuals. Edwards is spining shit )

Gerald T. Prante of the Tax Foundation (http://www.taxfoundation.org/), a research group that favors lower taxes, noted that the incomes of those just below the top 1 percent fell by a larger amount before tax than the two groups just below. He said this might have resulted from less in investment gains and income, a lingering effect of the burst Internet bubble.

Mr. Prante also said that the increase in after-tax income among the bottom half of Americans seemed primarily a result of the increased child credit promoted by Republicans a decade ago and expanded under Mr. Bush.

That credit used to be denied to the poorest parents because it had no value to those who paid no income tax. But now, a portion of the credit is available to the poorest parents.

A table (http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html) posted by the Tax Foundation shows the income tax rates paid by each group. Those rates overstate the actual taxes paid by the poor because the earned income tax credit and other credits available to people who do not pay taxes are excluded, said Robert S. McIntyre of Citizens for Tax Justice (http://ctj.org/), a group that maintains that the tax system favors the rich.

The Tax Foundation’s table shows that the lowest 50 percent of American earners paid an average federal income tax rate of 2.98 percent. When all tax credits are taken into account, Mr. McIntyre calculated, the rate drops to a negative 2.27 percent.

Mr. McIntyre said the overall decline in average pretax incomes, and the big gain in after-tax incomes for those at the very top, did not surprise him. He said that was the predictable result “of a policy geared toward a rather small fraction of the population.”

Both Mr. Edwards and Mr. McIntyre noted that the tax cuts that left people with more money in their pockets were financed with government borrowing.

( aka, "there is no free lunch" and "tax cuts don't pay for themselves" )

“Debt is future taxes,” Mr. Edwards said. “Deficit spending on the war and other items will make taxpayers worse off in the future.”

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So let's sum up the trasparency of the dubya/dickkhead disastrous rain of terror:

Protect / enrich the super-rich and corps, and fuck over everybody and everything else (esp environment).

Ignore terrorism (concern about terrorism was a Clinton thing, and everything Clinton did was wrong) until way too late (9/11), then botch the war on terra.

Start at bogus war to grab Iraq oil, and fuck that up.

Secret-ize the Exec beyond all requirements and fuck over the Constitution in the name of national security, which is greatly diminished since 2001.

Refuse to govern, aka "willful incompetence"

101A
10-12-2007, 09:24 AM
So, reducing taxes DID motivate the wealthiest to make more money, stimulating the economy and, ultimately increasing the government coffers.

Thanks for the post, B.

101A
10-12-2007, 09:25 AM
...and NO income group has less after-tax dollars.

GW IS brilliant.

Thanks again.

(unless you're just jealous and bitter, I guess).

George Gervin's Afro
10-12-2007, 10:26 AM
so basically the middle class has benefited at a rate that compares to inflation yet the top 1% have made a killing. I'm ok with that but I would like for our resident bush whores to stop telling me that the economy is great for everyone..

101A
10-12-2007, 10:35 AM
so basically the middle class has benefited at a rate that compares to inflation yet the top 1% have made a killing. I'm ok with that but I would like for our resident bush whores to stop telling me that the economy is great for everyone..

The report indicated the all income groups are doing better; not any Bush "whore".

The economy is never great for "everyone". Utilitarian outcomes are the best we can home for.

boutons_
10-12-2007, 11:45 AM
"Utilitarian outcomes are the best we can home for"

There's nothing utilitarin about super-tax-cuts for the super-rich.

It was the weathy people in govt giving themselves and the rich campaign contributors who got them elected (dubya burned through over $200M in 2000 and lost the popular vote by 600K) rich tax cuts.

101A
10-12-2007, 01:06 PM
"Utilitarian outcomes are the best we can home for"

There's nothing utilitarin about super-tax-cuts for the super-rich.

It was the weathy people in govt giving themselves and the rich campaign cotributors who got them elected (dubya burned through over $200M in 2000 and lost the popular vote by 600K) rich tax cuts.

Why don't these studies compare 1999?

1999 was a massive market bubble year, that correct in 2000. It stands to reason that the wealthiest among us had a (relatively) poor year in terms of income. Comparing other years to THAT year is going to show an inordinate amount of increase.

The rest our salaries are less related to investments, so comparing our salaries probably works.

johnsmith
10-12-2007, 05:32 PM
Yeah, get the democrats back in there!!!!

That way they can get rid of those pesky tax cuts and we can all suffer equal.

boutons_
10-12-2007, 06:05 PM
Income-Inequality Gap Widens

By Greg Ip
The Wall Street Journal

Friday 12 October 2007

Boom in financial markets parallels rise in share for wealthiest Americans.

The richest Americans' share of national income has hit a postwar record, surpassing the highs reached in the 1990s bull market, and underlining the divergence of economic fortunes blamed for fueling anxiety among American workers.

The wealthiest 1% of Americans earned 21.2% of all income in 2005, according to new data from the Internal Revenue Service. That is up sharply from 19% in 2004, and surpasses the previous high of 20.8% set in 2000, at the peak of the previous bull market in stocks.

The bottom 50% earned 12.8% of all income, down from 13.4% in 2004 and a bit less than their 13% share in 2000.

The IRS data, based on a large sample of tax returns, are for "adjusted gross income," which is income after some deductions, such as for alimony and contributions to individual retirement accounts. While dated, many scholars prefer it to timelier data from other agencies because it provides details of the very richest - for example, the top 0.1% and the top 1%, not just the top 10% - and includes capital gains, an important, though volatile, source of income for the affluent.

The IRS data go back only to 1986, but academic research suggests the rich last had this high a share of total income in the 1920s.

Scholars attribute rising inequality to several factors, including technological change that favors those with more skills, and globalization and advances in communications that enlarge the rewards available to "superstar" performers whether in business, sports or entertainment.

In an interview yesterday with The Wall Street Journal, President Bush said, "First of all, our society has had income inequality for a long time. Secondly, skills gaps yield income gaps. And what needs to be done about the inequality of income is to make sure people have got good education, starting with young kids. That's why No Child Left Behind is such an important component of making sure that America is competitive in the 21st century."
( GMAFB It helps a little to be born wealthy and fuck off in school and in your entire life)

Jason Furman, a scholar at the Brookings Institution and an adviser to Democratic politicians, said: "We've had a 30-year trend of increasing inequality. There was an artificial reduction in that trend following the bursting of the stock-market bubble in 2000."

The IRS data don't identify the source of increased income for the affluent, but the boom on Wall Street has likely played a part, just as the last stock boom fueled the late-1990s surge. Until this summer, soaring stock prices and buoyant credit markets had produced spectacular payouts for private-equity and hedge-fund managers, and investment bankers.

One study by University of Chicago academics Steven Kaplan and Joshua Rauh concludes that in 2004 there were more than twice as many such Wall Street professionals in the top 0.5% of all earners as there are executives from nonfinancial companies.

Mr. Rauh said "it's hard to escape the notion" that the rising share of income going to the very richest is, in part, "a Wall Street, financial industry-based story." The study shows that the highest-earning hedge-fund manager earned double in 2005 what the top earner made in 2003, and top 25 hedge-fund managers earned more in 2004 than the chief executives of all the companies in the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index, combined. It also shows profits per equity partner at the top 100 law firms doubling between 1994 and 2004, to over $1 million in 2004 dollars.

The data highlight the political challenge facing Mr. Bush and the Republican contenders for president. They have sought to play up the strength of the economy since 2003 and low unemployment, and the role of Mr. Bush's tax cuts in both. But many Americans think the economy is in or near a recession. The IRS data show that the median tax filer's income - half earn less than the median, half earn more - fell 2% between 2000 and 2005 when adjusted for inflation, to $30,881. At the same time, the income level for the tax filer just inside the top 1% grew 3%, to $364,657.

Democrats, on the other hand, have sought to exploit angst about stagnant middle-class wages and eroding benefits in showdowns with Mr. Bush over issues such as health insurance and trade.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119215822413557069.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us

Geezerballer
10-12-2007, 06:39 PM
Um, maybe that's because if you're at the lower end of the spectrum, you don't pay much in taxes. Therefore, you can't cut much. Of course you probably think that the taxes taken from the "rich" should be re-distributed to the lower income earners right?

That will probably work.

George Gervin's Afro
10-12-2007, 10:14 PM
Um, maybe that's because if you're at the lower end of the spectrum, you don't pay much in taxes. Therefore, you can't cut much. Of course you probably think that the taxes taken from the "rich" should be re-distributed to the lower income earners right?
That will probably work.


gee where have i heard this before.. :rolleyes

can we at least acknowledge the richest people in america have benefited the most under Bush? not a trick question just a fact. the point is that most in the GOP wonder why they or bush never get credit for a 'great' economy. not many people are benefiting from this administration's economic policy..simple fact my friend..

Nbadan
10-13-2007, 01:43 AM
Yep, call it wealth redistribution if you want, but the fact remains that wealth in our society tends to accumulate exponentially , it not hard to see why, once you have a hoard of cash it's easy to make a lot more cash if you have half a brain....the great depression was made worse not because of Roosevelt's policies, that just crazy talk, but because many rich hoarded cash that could have been used to stimulate economic activity....Roosevelt's policies and wealth redistribution led directly to the creation of the U.S. middle class, you remember them, right? Mexico on the other hand, has no wealth redistribution and thus no middle class.....

Wild Cobra
10-13-2007, 07:19 AM
Why are so many people jealous of what others make?

Also, about 47% (or is it 49%?) of the US workers pay no income tax once they file their return. I am tired of people saying how people didn't get a tax break who paid no taxes!

People, get over it. The biggest drag on the lower income groups are liberal policies and laziness. The illegals take jobs away, changing the supply and demand of wages. One reason we have immigration quotas is to prevent just that.

101A
10-13-2007, 12:08 PM
^bad take

Wow, so well said.

Fucking linguist.

boutons_
10-13-2007, 12:17 PM
"jealous"

why do you mistakenly assume people are jealous?