The Banning of Plasma TVs (if Gore gets his way)

[Wild Cobra]

Hey sports fans. Love your Plasma TV....

Guess what. It is on an environmental hit list, and will probably be banned in Austrailia:

Plasma TV 'off limits': watch this space (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/10/09/1191695909983.html)

MOST current plasma television sets would be banned from sale in Australia within a year under onerous mandatory energy requirements recommended in a report commissioned by the Federal Government.
LCD flat screens too:



also recommends a second tier of even tougher restrictions that would then ban almost all current LCD models from the market in April 2011.

How about it. Anyone think this will happen in the good 'ol USA? Will Al Gore make it happen?

[mookie2001]

what does al gore have to do with this again?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I agree with Mookie.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

If I had my way, I would have Wild Cobra remove that picture of a fluorescent light with a blue holder in the middle of his avatar.

[Melmart1]

This is just as bad as when TLW race baits.

[CuckingFunt]

This is just as bad as when TLW race baits.
Or when Buck Rogers gay baits.

[WTF ???]

Hey sports fans. Love your Plasma TV....

Guess what. It is on an environmental hit list, and will probably be banned in Austrailia:

Plasma TV 'off limits': watch this space (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/10/09/1191695909983.html)

LCD flat screens too:

How about it. Anyone think this will happen in the good 'ol USA? Will Al Gore make it happen?

POLITICAL FORUM YOU STUPID FUCKING SENILE OLD FART :madrun

[Wild Cobra]

POLITICAL FORUM YOU STUPID FUCKING SENILE OLD FART :madrun
My God...

What a cry baby.

I placed it here because Plasma displays are really nice to watch sports on. Have a problem, cry to you mommy.

[ShoogarBear]

For some simple people, blaming Al Gore or Bill Clinton is a substitute for rational thought.

[E20]

For some simple people, blaming Al Gore or Bill Clinton is a substitute for rational thought.
Ey dog ey you callin my nigga, wild cobra, dumb?

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't see Al Gore's name mentioned once in that article.

Gotta give it a fail.

[mookie2001]

thats how diabolical he is

[ChumpDumper]

http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/louisville/archives/Al%20Gore.jpg
Today Australia -- tomorrow Papua New Guinea!

[Buddy Holly]

Al Gore invented the fucking internets!

[Wild Cobra]

I brought up Al Gore because he is telling us how we have to conserve. Isn't it a logical step that he will be in favor of following Austrailia's lead?

[ChumpDumper]

He is totally in your head. It's a logical step he would make you post a political thread in the club.

[tlongII]

I have to give this thread a :tu but only because of Wild Cobra's favorite team.

[CubanMustGo]

My God...

What a cry baby.

I placed it here because Plasma displays are really nice to watch sports on. Have a problem, cry to you mommy.


You're the asshat who has to interject Gore into everything, don't cry when someone calls you out for it.

[Wild Cobra]

You're the asshat who has to interject Gore into everything, don't cry when someone calls you out for it.
Why are there so many assholes here that cannot keep to the content of a thread and must start personal attacks?

[boutons_]

WC has received his VERY LONG list of Repug fear-mongering slimes, lies, distortions. He is robotically cranking out the spew, fear, and loathing the right-wing, Repug dumbfuck red-stater are so infamous for.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Why are there so many assholes here that cannot keep to the content of a thread and must start personal attacks?

Al Gore was asking you that same question.

[Melmart1]

Why are there so many assholes here that cannot keep to the content of a thread and must start personal attacks?
How come you couldn't keep to the context of the article and not bring Al Gore into a discussion about a RECOMMENDATION for plasma TVs ...

... in fucking Australia.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.indiewire.com/biz/aldavisOSCAR.jpg
Today the Oscar, tomorrow the Latin Grammy!

[CuckingFunt]

Why are there so many assholes here that cannot keep to the content of a thread and must start personal attacks?What, exactly, was the content of this thread intended to be?

[Twisted_Dawg]

Give a guy a fucking Noble Peace prize, and the next thing he does is try to take our plasmas from us!!!

I just watched the shit out of my 50" 1080P Hitachi Plasma and enjoyed the shit out of it! The Cowboys sucked though.

[tlongII]

Give a guy a fucking Noble Peace prize, and the next thing he does is try to take our plasmas from us!!!

I just watched the shit out of my 50" 1080P Hitachi Plasma and enjoyed the shit out of it! The Cowboys sucked though.

Ya know I have been resisting the urge to join the flood of people buying HDTV's. However, my dad bought a 46" Sony LCD a few weeks ago and I have been spending a lot more time over at his house lately. :lol

[Wild Cobra]

What, exactly, was the content of this thread intended to be?
To raise an eyebrow of "what if" for those who like plasma TVs and large LCD TVs.

Plasma TVs are going to be banned in Australia. It's a green thing because of the extra power the require, and their supposed impact on global warming. Al Gore, being one to always tell us we need to reduce our power usage is likely the one who will advocate this step here in the USA. Of course, he will exempt himself and might allow you to buy carbon credits that are sold by a company he has stock in if you want such a thing.

I was having fun with the thought. He might not advocate such a thing, but how likely is it he might? I say pretty damn likely!

[CuckingFunt]

Simple. Plasma TVs are going to be banned in Australia. It's a green thing because of the extra power the require, and their supposed impact on global warming. Al Gore, being one to always tell us we need to reduce our power usage is likely the one who will advocate this step here in the USA. Of course, he will exempt himself and might allow you to buy carbon credits that are sold by a company he has stock in if you want such a thing.

I was having fun with the thought. He might not advocate such a thing, but how likely is it he might? I say pretty damn likely!That just reiterates the meaning of your opening post, it doesn't answer my question.

My guess would be that the intended content of this thread was to have several people agree with you and join in making asinine connections between Al Gore and Australia's banning of plasma TVs. Threads very seldom stay that one-sided for long.

[Wild Cobra]

WC has received his VERY LONG list of Repug fear-mongering slimes, lies, distortions. He is robotically cranking out the spew, fear, and loathing the right-wing, Repug dumbfuck red-stater are so infamous for.
Out of the mouth of one who makes asinine assumptions of those who don't fit your views...

You think you have any credibility?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Hey sports fans. Love your Plasma TV....

Guess what. It is on an environmental hit list, and will probably be banned in Austrailia:

Plasma TV 'off limits': watch this space (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/10/09/1191695909983.html)

LCD flat screens too:

How about it. Anyone think this will happen in the good 'ol USA? Will Al Gore make it happen?

Um, no, they won't be BANNED in Australia. Fark, get your facts straight!

The govt is bringing in compulsory energy standards and labelling to force manufacturers to construct TVs that don't use so much energy, just like they do already for whitegoods and should do for ALL appliances.

The US govt already does the same thing for whitegoods and some other products including office machinery. In 1975 they brought in the first standards for fridges, and in 25 years the energy use of the average fridge was reduced by 75% while size DOUBLED, and price reduced by 1/2. How is any of that a bad thing???

Talk about over-reaction to a win-win - it'll save you money and not pollute as much.

:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

PS You watch, within a couple of years the energy-wasteful manufacturers will be constructing far more energy efficient TVs that do the same job, and it won't even be an issue. It's called positive regulation.

Also, you are happy to just keep constructing power plants at $500m-1b each? As a consumer, you will pay for them. That's what has happened for the last 50 years and will continue to happen if we don't get a grasp on spiralling energy demands.

Demand for electricity is set to rise 70% by 2030 if we as socities don't do something about it. All of us will bear the cost of the extra plant and the environmental effects, which are numerous (land degredation due to mining, water and particulate air pollution, climate change, etc). Isn't it a better idea to do something about it now, just as we did with fridges 30 years ago???

Cobra, your lack of vision is astounding.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's see.

Nope, still a political topic.

Keep that crap where it belongs.

[CubanMustGo]

Let's see.

Blaming stuff on Gore that he never said? Check.
Getting the facts almost totally wrong in an effort to smear a non-Republican? Check.

Typical Wild Cobra thread? Check.

[Extra Stout]

Dang, first they're trying to limit the energy output on HDTV's, next thing you know they'll try to free the slaves. Is nothing sacred?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Let's see.

Nope, still a political topic.

Keep that crap where it belongs.

Chump, EVERYTHING is political if you interpret it that way.

Are our personal consumption patterns political? Most would say no I think, and I wish they weren't, but they are because they are influenced by political decisions such as regulation by standards.

Anyway, I agree with you that as per usual Cobra is towing a political line here and he should take it to the political forum. I left that place long ago because it's so pointless - two tribes set in their frames arguing about things neither side will budge on. Really, what's the point?

Aren't you a mod - can't you send this topic away?

[Extra Stout]

I just read the Tenth Amendment and there is NOTHING about the government having the ability to regulate HDTV energy usage.

[ChumpDumper]

Aren't you a mod - can't you send this topic away?Nope. I went mad with power and was defrocked. I can still flood Kori's PM box with righteous complaints though.

[Zombie]

I just read the Tenth Amendment and there is NOTHING about the government having the ability to regulate HDTV energy usage.
That is good to hear. I was worried that we were behind in technology. If they had HDtv, I was gonna be pissed.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I just read the Tenth Amendment and there is NOTHING about the government having the ability to regulate HDTV energy usage.

Might that be because it was written before TVs existed?

What does it have to say about fridges? :lmao

The thing that amazes me here is that appliances typically use more operational energy in their first year or two than was used to create them.

A great example is your average family sedan - it takes the energy in about 1 year of petrol (average consumption, say 15000miles) to create the car, so over the life of the car (say 15 years) it consumes about 14 times more energy than was used to create the car in the first place!

Energy efficient appliances = SAVINGS FOR THE CONSUMER! They reduce operational energy costs WHICH FAR OUTWEIGH THE COST OF THE APPLIANCE OVER ITS LIFETIME. And yet idiots like Cobra oppose forcing manufacturers to behave responsibly by making efficient products. I simply don't get it.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://www.indiewire.com/biz/aldavisOSCAR.jpg
didn't they make milli vanilli give back their grammy when they found out they were "not true"? hmmmmmmm

[ChumpDumper]

didn't they make milli vanilli give back their grammy when they found out they were "not true"? hmmmmmmmI said Latin Grammy.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I said Latin Grammy......and i said grammy. brilliant observation.

[Extra Stout]

Might that be because it was written before TVs existed?

What does it have to say about fridges? :lmao

The thing that amazes me here is that appliances typically use more operational energy in their first year or two than was used to create them.

A great example is your average family sedan - it takes the energy in about 1 year of petrol (average consumption, say 15000miles) to create the car, so over the life of the car (say 15 years) it consumes about 14 times more energy than was used to create the car in the first place!

Energy efficient appliances = SAVINGS FOR THE CONSUMER! They reduce operational energy costs WHICH FAR OUTWEIGH THE COST OF THE APPLIANCE OVER ITS LIFETIME. And yet idiots like Cobra oppose forcing manufacturers to behave responsibly by making efficient products. I simply don't get it.
If the South had won the Civil War, we could all leave the windows open and let the air conditioning get out.

[ChumpDumper]

.....and i said grammy. brilliant observation.Have you ever understood a joke in your life?

Can't see beyond Gore either, can you?

[PM5K]

I wonder if they've considered the manufacturing and transporting of CRT sets, while they may use less energy, what about the energy used to make and transport them?

In the end maybe it's still less, but hopefully this will just encourage manufacturers to make more energy efficient sets.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I wonder if they've considered the manufacturing and transporting of CRT sets, while they may use less energy, what about the energy used to make and transport them?

In the end maybe it's still less, but hopefully this will just encourage manufacturers to make more energy efficient sets.

Good comment. Energy used to make and transport EVERYTHING should be be labelled - it's called "supply chain auditing".

A good example of how this can affect consumer decisions lies in canned tomatoes. In my local supermarket the shelf is dominated (over 90%) by tomatoes imported from Italy! Think of all the fuel wasted to transport those tomatoes to the shelf in Australia - trucks in Italy, then ships to get it here, then more trucks to the supermarket depot, and more trucks to the supermarket. Even more absurdly, they are about 10c cheaper per can than local canned tomatoes!?!

I buy the local ones anyway to cut down on the wasted transport fuels. I also go to the local farmer's market to buy fruit and veg as it all comes from the region. If more people make these sorts of consumer choices, that will alter supply chains and reduce our waste of transport fuels.

Interested in these issues? Check out "food miles" and the "locivore" movement.

As for transporting goods like TVs - globilisation has forced most manufacturing to low labour cost Asian countries which means that if you want a TV it's probably coming a long way to get there. Globalisation has had some really damaging effects on employment in Western countries, and on the environment, all in the name of "free" trade (which is a fantasy anyway).

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

WC,
unless you're posting more interesting pictures of examples of people in your community who can't drive and listen to the Grateful Dead at the same time, keep your psychobabble confined to the parameters of the Political Forum.
Stop trying to broaden your horizons.

[Wild Cobra]

How many people in this forum would like a heads-up should such regulations hit home? Plasma displays and sports go hand-in-hand. Am I wrong?

You guys are amazing how you take a topic from a poster you dislike and twist it to a hate-feast. How do you even live with yourselves?

I bring up some real news that could effect nearly all [B]consumers and equate it to Al Gore because of current events and what his vision is. There is a separation point between politics and consumer affairs.

As for improving the standards, I see this as the likely course of action, but I do wonder. This technology of energy efficiency is already with us. Is Australia making it's own plasma displays rather than Japanese technology, or buying from manufacturers that lack such concerns?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

How do you live with yourself since you feel compelled to take somebody you dislike and put words in their mouth without them making a statement on the issue?

I mean, it's got to be a pretty sad life if you can easily make up your decision on anything without hearing an actual argument.

[smeagol]

In Argentina we polute like madmen and nobody does shit about it.

Sad state of affairs.

[ChumpDumper]

There is a separation point between politics and consumer affairs.Right, that's why this thread belongs in a separate forum.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

As for improving the standards, I see this as the likely course of action, but I do wonder. This technology of energy efficiency is already with us. Is Australia making it's own plasma displays rather than Japanese technology, or buying from manufacturers that lack such concerns?

We have the same brands you do - Japanese, Korean and Chinese mostly. Many of the better brands will pass the initial standards, but the cheaper Chinese and Korean brands won't, so they won't be allowed to import them until those manufacturers get their shit together.

We do the same thing with whitegoods and air-conditioners, and so does the US. I don't see why you're so concerned. It'll just force manufacturers to make better TVs that will SAVE CONSUMERS MONEY.

As the story says:

""By the time the standard came into place, with the industry knowing that the these standards are coming in, they can adjust their supply chains to make sure that the products will [meet the requirements]," he said.

"Again the history is that all the reputable suppliers will meet the standard."

The manufacturer's lobbyists are just kicking up a stink because they don't want to do the work they should already have done to reduce the energy consumed by these devices. As i said before, in 25 years fridges have doubled in size yet use 75% less energy. The same will happen with plasmas, but you need MEPS to force manufacturers to act or they'll do nothing.

[Extra Stout]

If you buy Energy Star appliances, it's the same as supporting communism.

Our soldiers in Iraq are fighting and dying for our right to consume resources in a profligate fashion!

[Slomo]

I wonder if they've considered the manufacturing and transporting of CRT sets, while they may use less energy, what about the energy used to make and transport them?

In the end maybe it's still less, but hopefully this will just encourage manufacturers to make more energy efficient sets.Actually I kinda remember that for the screen size both Plazma and LCD TVs are more efficient. If CRT existed with the currently popular screen sizes 42" and up they would consume more energy.

And you're absolutely correct on the energy required to manufacture CRT - it has to be more than the new types of TV.

Anyway stimulating the manufacturers to produce more energy efficient appliances is a good thing so props to Al Gore! (even though he had nothing to do with it :lol)

[Wild Cobra]

And you're absolutely correct on the energy required to manufacture CRT - it has to be more than the new types of TV.

I would question that idea. I don't know for fact, but the flat screens require levels of manufacturing not required in CRT manufacturing. The flatness of the glass (or plastic?) is no simple process, especially as the size increases. Take quite a bit of power to make those screens.

[Slomo]

I would question that idea. I don't know for fact, but the flat screens require levels of manufacturing not required in CRT manufacturing. The flatness of the glass (or plastic?) is no simple process, especially as the size increases. Take quite a bit of power to make those screens.A 36" CRT has almost a 100 kg of glass in it. The energy for that alone should be more.

[Mark in Austin]

A 36" CRT has almost a 100 kg of glass in it. The energy for that alone should be more.

Not to mention the additional costs associated with transport once the sets are made. They're (much) heavier, so it would cost more per set (and create more emissions) to ship; plus you can fit several times more of the flat screens into a shipping container, so you need more containers to send the same numbers of CRT sets, thus creating more emissions there too.