Rush Auctions letter from Reid [Archive]

George Gervin's Afro

10-16-2007, 08:49 AM

Hmmm...

I admit when I make a mistake.

I explain myself to a resonable degree.

You are just an attack dog that doesn't know when the facts are against you, now do you?

You know...

I'm really curious how you come out on the political quiz:

The Enhanced-Precision Political Quiz (http://www.quiz2d.com/quiz/)

Spending Government at all levels takes in between 1/3 and 1/2 the national income. Much of this money is given right back to the taxpayers as services that could be purchased on the open market.

Should the size of government be significantly reduced (over a period of time)?
NO! Government is too small. There are vital programs that are under-funded.
No. Government is about the right size.
Yes. Cut by 10-20% (eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse...).
Yes! Cut significantly, 30-40%.
Yes! Cut spending roughly in half.
YES! Cut 70% or more. (The rightful function of government is to protect our borders and enforce laws protecting life, liberty and property.)

YES!! Taxation is theft! Government should be run from voluntary contributions and user fees only.

You lost me with the first question. I guess your to stupid to realize that you can phrase a question anyway you want. especially if you want a particular outcome. A more reasonable question would include what services you are referring to..

Wild Cobra

10-16-2007, 09:12 AM

You lost me with the first question. I guess your to stupid to realize that you can phrase a question anyway you want. especially if you want a particular outcome. A more reasonable question would include what services you are referring to..

Or, you can stop over analyzing the question and see it as the broad general question it is. Maybe you think more spending is needed one place, less another. What is the balance?

This was a question related to ALL government spending afterall!

xrayzebra

10-18-2007, 03:33 PM

$511,100.00 and counting. Poor Harry, he never considered
supporting the troops this much along with his 41 others stooge's.
Wonder if they will match what is bid to really support the troops
like Rush.

ChumpDumper

10-18-2007, 04:20 PM

Wonder if they will match what is bid to really support the troops
like Rush.Will Bush?

Will Cheney?

Nbadan

10-19-2007, 12:33 AM

He.... he...it's up over $2 million (http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQihZ016QQcategoryZ410 5QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)...this stunt is gonna cost Rush...

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 04:11 AM

The high bidder is probably George Soros.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 09:32 AM

He-he-he. The old Realtor, Harry Reid, and his 41 stooges are
eating their hearts out long bout now. Just think, three of the
stooges are running for President and one is a champion
swimmer and another an ex-bigshot in the KKK. Now that is
a line-up for you.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 10:07 AM

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 10:20 AM

I don't see why Reid should be upset -- if that's what it takes for neocons to give to charity, he should write more letters.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 10:22 AM

Believe me the old Realtor is eating his heart out and wishing
he had never sent that little missive out. It has backfired on
him and his stooges big time. They thought everyone would
feel their wrath when all they did was show them how damn
dumb they really are. I am sure most of you feel the same.
Rush stuck it to you all pretty good I would say.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 10:24 AM

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 10:27 AM

You cant figure that out?

Same reason it is bothering you so much that he has stuck it
them and you have to defend your boys and girls.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 10:28 AM

You cant figure that out?

Same reason it is bothering you so much that he has stuck it
them and you have to defend your boys and girls.

so you can't explain how he is sticking it to them. got it.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 10:30 AM

Believe me the old Realtor is eating his heart out and wishing
he had never sent that little missive out. It has backfired on
him and his stooges big time.Nah. What does cost Reid? Nothing.

OTOH, it's costing Rush $2 million.

Good for those marines though.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 10:31 AM

No you got it. Up where the sun doesn't shine. And old
Rush stuck it there.........and it is killing you. Eat your heart
out GGA. You and your boys and girls lost again and again and
again.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 10:36 AM

No you got it. Up where the sun doesn't shine. And old
Rush stuck it there.........and it is killing you. Eat your heart
out GGA. You and your boys and girls lost again and again and
again.Lost in what way?

It's just a piece of paper. If some neocon wants to pay $2 million for a piece of paper, that's his business.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 10:37 AM

Lost in what way?

It's just a piece of paper. If some neocon wants to pay $2 million for a piece of paper, that's his business.

This is what ray doesn't get. He still can't answer as to we lost? What did we lose? Backslappers have bought the letter and somehow in ray's mind dimmocraps lose...

Oh, Gee!!

10-19-2007, 10:38 AM

Xray, please stop saying "eat your heart out." It creeps me out.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 10:45 AM

I'm more amused that neocons aren't interested in giving to a worthy charity unless some kind of perceived trophy is involved.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 10:58 AM

I'm more amused that neocons aren't interested in giving to a worthy charity unless some kind of perceived trophy is involved.

I am sure you would like to donate. Just go to Rush
website and click on the donate button.

And oh, yes. After you do, would you be so kind as to
tell us how much you donated. You can download a copy
of the letter there and print it out as your trophy.

Your welcome.

Click here to make a donation, just look at the top of website (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html)

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 11:04 AM

I am sure you would like to donate. Just go to Rush
website and click on the donate button. I don't need neocons to prod me into donating. I have several pieces of paper called receipts from charities, though I don't even bother to use them for tax purposes. They are not trophies. Charity is its own reward.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 11:32 AM

This is what ray doesn't get. He still can't answer as to we lost? What did we lose? Backslappers have bought the letter and somehow in ray's mind dimmocraps lose...
What did Democrats win?

Rush took a lemon and made lemonade. It was an in your face gesture that resulted in over $4,000,000.00 going to a worthy cause.

Oh yeah, Rush is still on the air.

The 40 Democrats that signed the letter are idiots.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 11:34 AM

What did Democrats win?What did they lose?
Oh yeah, Rush is still on the air.The Democrats are still in office.

Oh, Gee!!

10-19-2007, 11:40 AM

It was an in your face gesture that resulted in over $4,000,000.00 going to a worthy cause.

well see about the matching donation promise

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 11:49 AM

well see about the matching donation promise
He's given similar amounts to other charitible organizations; I see no reason to doubt his committment here.

He's not Ted Turner.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 12:58 PM

TOP BIDDER ON HARRY REID LETTER IN LIMGAUGH EBAY AUCTION: BETTY CASEY (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm)
TOP BIDDER ON HARRY REID LETTER IN LIMGAUGH EBAY AUCTION: BETTY CASEY
FRI Oct 19 2007 13:26:41 ET

EXCERPT FROM RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOW:

Our winning bidder, subject to the receipt of funds... is a wonderful woman named Betty Casey, as trustee of the Eugene B. Casey Foundation. She gives significant sums to hospitals, hospices, colleges, and private schools. These include the Eugene B. Casey Diabetes Education Center, The Eugene B. Casey Swim Center and the Eugene B. Casey Academic Center , and The Casey Home hospice. She has also donated tens of millions from the foundation and her personal funds to the Washington Opera.

Betty has been a listener to my program since it's inception, and we can't thank her enough for her support. We'd also like to thank Ebay Giving Works for allowing us to break their website in the closing moments of the auction, and Auction Cause, who was our consultant in prequalifying bidders and developing the auction

Developing...
Good for her!

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 01:04 PM

TOP BIDDER ON HARRY REID LETTER IN LIMGAUGH EBAY AUCTION: BETTY CASEY (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm)
Good for her!

a ditto head won? that's complete shock! :rolleyes

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 01:04 PM

I don't need neocons to prod me into donating. I have several pieces of paper called receipts from charities, though I don't even bother to use them for tax purposes. They are not trophies. Charity is its own reward.

Oh, I just thought you supported the troops and would
like to make a small donation, well you know like the
small person you are. I know, I know, you support the
troops just not their mission.

And you are such a nice person, not to take a tax
deduction for those pieces of paper called receipts.
God bless you.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 01:05 PM

Oh, I just thought you supported the troops and would
like to make a small donationYou assume I haven't already.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 01:14 PM

a ditto head won? that's complete shock! :rolleyes
No, the Marine Corp - Law Enforcement Foundation is the winner. To the tune of $4,200,200.00.

That's impressive.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 01:14 PM

Strange that Rush left out the fact that the Casey Foundation has been a big PBS underwriter as well.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 01:15 PM

No, the Marine Corp - Law Enforcement Foundation is the winner. To the tune of $4,200,200.00.

That's impressive.

sorry ray has been talking about winners and losers,sticking it places etc.I have lost sight of who truly won..

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 01:20 PM

By the way, for the person who was waiting to see if Rush would keep his committment to match the funds here's a transcript from his show today where it re-commits to matching the $2,100,100.00 bid.

Betty Casey Wins Smear Letter at $2,100,100; Rush Matches Bid; MC-LEF Will Get a Total of $4.2M (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_101907/content/01125110.guest.html)

I guess you'll just have to follow-up with the Marine Corp - Law Enforcement Foundation to see if he kept his word.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 01:22 PM

I think it's fantastic. I think Reid should release a smear letter every week if it raises $4 million for charity..

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 01:23 PM

Hell, even Dingy Harry Reid was impressed

On Senate Floor Harry Reid Thanks Rush For Auction (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/6938.html)

By the way, his favorables are down to 11% in his home state of Nevada. Couldn't be the Democrats strategy of "do nothing but investigate and frustrate the administration" method of Legislating, could it?

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 01:25 PM

Couldn't be the Democrats strategy of "do nothing but investigate and frustrate the administration" method of Legislating, could it?You can't seriously try to ascribe that solely to Democrats.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 01:29 PM

Hell, even Dingy Harry Reid was impressed.

By the way, his favorables are down to 11% in his home state of Nevada.This is undeniably true.

http://media.lvrj.com/images/2163416.jpg

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10545847.html

11 is the new 32!

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 01:45 PM

Some other entertaining numbers from the Nevada poll:

Former President Clinton: 51 percent favorable, 37 percent unfavorable, 12 percent neutral.

Hillary Clinton: 38 percent favorable, 51 percent unfavorable, 10 percent neutral.

Rudy Giuliani: 36 percent favorable, 35 percent unfavorable, 28 percent neutral.

Rush Limbaugh: 34 percent favorable, 50 percent unfavorable, 15 percent neutral.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 01:47 PM

I guess Yoni can translate all those numbers to the base neocon system for us.

32 = 11!

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 01:55 PM

BTW does this mean my car insurance rates are going to go up since I'm under 25 now?

Or am I actually too young to drive?

Yoni really needs to clarify this. Post a formula or something -- is it a consistent subtraction of 21 or is it like converting Fahrenheit to Celsius?

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 02:06 PM

I think it's fantastic. I think Reid should release a smear letter every week if it raises $4 million for charity..

Oh, let us get back to the wonderful dimm-o-craps.
The old Realtor Harry now wants to take part of the credit
for a letter where he tries to smear Rush for something
that wasn't true. And like a true American Chump wants
to come up with the suggestion that it is a good idea to
smear someone so it can raise all this money for a "Charity".
You know like he supports the troops, he just doesn't support
their mission. You gotta really love these people. How
can they be wrong. I mean after all they support the
troops. Well, they say they do. And after all their heart
is in the right place.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 02:07 PM

Xray, please stop saying "eat your heart out." It creeps me out.

Well after all the dimm-o-craps do eat their own. As well
as anyone else that stands in the way.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:11 PM

Oh, let us get back to the wonderful dimm-o-craps.
The old Realtor Harry now wants to take part of the credit
for a letter where he tries to smear Rush for something
that wasn't true. And like a true American Chump wants
to come up with the suggestion that it is a good idea to
smear someone so it can raise all this money for a "Charity".
You know like he supports the troops, he just doesn't support
their mission. You gotta really love these people. How
can they be wrong. I mean after all they support the
troops. Well, they say they do. And after all their heart
is in the right place.Why not?

If Reid can make a letter worth $4 million to charity, he should do it as often as possible.

And it's a charity -- no quotes needed -- unless you are questioning the status of the organization Rush chose..

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 02:12 PM

You assume I haven't already.

Oh. You made a donation to our troops. And now can
we get you to really support them, by supporting their
mission?

Oh, Gee!!

10-19-2007, 02:13 PM

Oh. You made a donation to our troops. And now can
we get you to really support them, by supporting their
mission?

how does one support the troops and the mission, Xray?

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 02:15 PM

Why not?

If Reid can make a letter worth $4 million to charity, he should do it as often as possible.

And it's a charity -- no quotes needed -- unless you are questioning the status of the organization Rush chose..

Was that his original intent? To raise four mil for the
troops and law enforcement? Geee, I didn't know that.
Wonder why he didn't announce that on the day he
smeared Rush. I just know he had to talk to Mr. May
(Mays) before he did the deed. Don't you?

I just wonder if he felt the squish between the toes when
he stepped in it? :lol

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:16 PM

Oh. You made a donation to our troops. And now can
we get you to really support them, by supporting their
mission?Since we are already there, there is really no choice. I am glad the mission is a halfway realistic, reasoned counterinsurgency strategy unlike the first three years of the war. Unfortunately it's probably too late. We'll pull out soon enough -- that's inevitable -- then the Iraqis will really start killing each other.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:18 PM

Was that his original intent? To raise four mil for the
troops and law enforcement?Who cares?

It's $4 million for charity.

He should do it every week if it means $4 million to charity.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 02:18 PM

how does one support the troops and the mission, Xray?
Voting Republican in the next election.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:19 PM

Voting Republican in the next election.Republicans won't be elected unless they present an exit strategy from Iraq.

Oh, Gee!!

10-19-2007, 02:22 PM

Voting Republican in the next election.

Yeah, because the current one has done a great job handling the current mission.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 02:27 PM

Why not?

If Reid can make a letter worth $4 million to charity, he should do it as often as possible.

And it's a charity -- no quotes needed -- unless you are questioning the status of the organization Rush chose..

Well stupid, The good old Realtor, should be a used car
salesman, Reid didn't make the letter worth four mil.
Rush did. Reid just wrote it and his stooges signed it
thinking they would make people cower with their
purported power. Guess Rush kinda demonstrated the
people still have the power.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:28 PM

Reid wrote a letter that Rush's fans valued at $4 million for the benefit of a charity.

He should write more of them so Rush's fans will give more to charity.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 02:30 PM

Republicans won't be elected unless they present an exit strategy from Iraq.

I say send Chump over there and let him negotiate the
terms of us leaving. How say you?

No lets don't he will surrender and then gas will go
over four dollars a gallon. And all those workers for
Halliburton wont have a job. Well except those that
make the Halliburton brief cases....

Oh, Gee!!

10-19-2007, 02:30 PM

Guess Rush kinda demonstrated the
people still have the power.

the power to do what exactly? donate to a worthy cause? we've never been in danger of losing that power, and it shouldn't take spite for the other party to move people to flex that power.

clambake

10-19-2007, 02:30 PM

doesn't it seem strange to see people wanting others to support a mission that kills our troops for no reason?

couldn't we just kill them here for no reason? it would save money. the expense of getting them to Iraq only to have them brought back in a box (and cloaked in secrecy) could be a significant amount of savings.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 02:31 PM

Reid wrote a letter that Rush's fans valued at $4 million for the benefit of a charity.

He should write more of them so Rush's fans will give more to charity.

Chump we won, you lost.......That's they way the
cookie crumbles.......live with it....

Oh, Gee!!

10-19-2007, 02:32 PM

Chump we won, you lost.......That's they way the
cookie crumbles.......live with it....

I'm sure he'll survive.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:33 PM

I say send Chump over there and let him negotiate the
terms of us leaving. How say you?With whom? We've already decided to start pulling out. It's going to happen regardless.

No lets don't he will surrender and then gas will go
over four dollars a gallon. And all those workers for
Halliburton wont have a job. Well except those that
make the Halliburton brief cases....Is this what the war is about?

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:34 PM

Chump we won, you lost.......That's they way the
cookie crumbles.......live with it....Won what?

What was at stake here?

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 02:37 PM

the power to do what exactly? donate to a worthy cause? we've never been in danger of losing that power, and it shouldn't take spite for the other party to move people to flex that power.

I think there have been a few times in the last couple of
months where the power of the people have demonstrated
they still have power. Like immigration, like the resolution
on Armenian, like SCHIPS. This is only the latest. Do you
think Reid went onto the Senate floor to do the "WE" thing
because he wanted to. Live and learn OG, live and learn.
The Dimm-o-craps are getting a good lesson right now.
Or should I say Liberals, Progressives (Regressives) and
Socialist. I just hope the people like me don't let up.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 02:39 PM

Was that his original intent? To raise four mil for the
troops and law enforcement? Geee, I didn't know that.
Wonder why he didn't announce that on the day he
smeared Rush. I just know he had to talk to Mr. May
(Mays) before he did the deed. Don't you?

I just wonder if he felt the squish between the toes when
he stepped in it? :lol

smearing hush?? :lol :lol :lol :lol

hush makes a living smearing people ray!

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 02:40 PM

I think there have been a few times in the last couple of
months where the power of the people have demonstrated
they still have power. Like immigration, like the resolution
on Armenian, like SCHIPS. This is only the latest. Do you
think Reid went onto the Senate floor to do the "WE" thing
because he wanted to. Live and learn OG, live and learn.
The Dimm-o-craps are getting a good lesson right now.
Or should I say Liberals, Progressives (Regressives) and
Socialist. I just hope the people like me don't let up.

the people spoke? like the 2006 congressional elections?

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 02:40 PM

Yeah, because the current one has done a great job handling the current mission.
He damn sure has. And, he did so in the face of overwhelming and unprecendented Congressional meddling by Democrats. Not to mention seditious and treasonous acts by the media and leakers within the Intelligence agencies of the U.S.

By any measure -- arguments about the legitimacy of the war aside -- the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have been the most successful and humane in the history of warfare.

In other words, if you believed this war were legitimate (which I know you don't), you'd have to concede the United States military has achieved in Iraq -- at the cost of almost 4,000 lives -- what we couldn't achieve in Vietnam at a cost of 55,000 lives or Korea, another 55,000 lives, or what we, thankfully achieved, in Europe and the Pacific theaters of WWII at a cost of nearly 500,000 lives.

Collateral damage is less and civilian casualties are lower than in any other war we've fought.

The stated objective of removing the Ba'athist Regime of Saddam Hussein was achieved in about three weeks...despite the defeatist warnings that it would take 10's of thousands of body bags to ship home the dead American Troops.

The stated objective of routing al Qaeda in Iraq appears nearly complete and that appears to be bringing about a renewed sense of cooperation in Iraq which will improve security and stability in the region.

Already violent deaths are down over 85% in some of the worst areas of that country. Areas that were reporting 150 murders/violent deaths per week, just last month, are down to approximately 5 deaths per week.

Hell, if Iraq stabilizes and starts operating from the Constitution it has already passed, they will have gone from tyranny to democracy in a shorter amount of time than did the United States when it declared its independence from Britain in 1776. Not only they, they will have done so with a smaller per capita loss of life than did the colonies.

Afghanistan is the same...no matter what the CBC, the BBC, and NPR say.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:40 PM

like SCHIPSActually, a presidential veto against a a bill that is widely popular is pretty anti-democratic (small d). That's going to pass with only slight tweaking.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 02:42 PM

the people spoke? like the 2006 congressional elections?
Well, let's just see what they say in '08.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:42 PM

He damn sure has. And, he did so in the face of overwhelming and unprecendented Congressional meddling by Democrats. Not to mention seditious and treasonous acts by the media and leakers within the Intelligence agencies of the U.S.

By any measure -- arguments about the legitimacy of the war aside -- the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have been the most successful and humane in the history of warfare.

In other words, if you believed this war were legitimate (which I know you don't), you'd have to concede the United States military has achieved in Iraq -- at the cost of almost 4,000 lives -- what we couldn't achieve in Vietnam at a cost of 55,000 lives or Korea, another 55,000 lives, or what we, thankfully achieved, in Europe and the Pacific theaters of WWII at a cost of nearly 500,000 lives.

Collateral damage is less and civilian casualties are lower than in any other war we've fought.

The stated objective of removing the Ba'athist Regime of Saddam Hussein was achieved in about three weeks...despite the defeatist warnings that it would take 10's of thousands of body bags to ship home the dead American Troops.

The stated objective of routing al Qaeda in Iraq appears nearly complete and that appears to be bringing about a renewed sense of cooperation in Iraq which will improve security and stability in the region.

Already violent deaths are down over 85% in some of the worst areas of that country. Areas that were reporting 150 murders/violent deaths per week, just last month, are down to approximately 5 deaths per week.

Hell, if Iraq stabilizes and starts operating from the Constitution it has already passed, they will have gone from tyranny to democracy in a shorter amount of time than did the United States when it declared its independence from Britain in 1776. Not only they, they will have done so with a smaller per capita loss of life than did the colonies.

Afghanistan is the same...no matter what the CBC, the BBC, and NPR say.:lmao So we actually achieved total victory four years ago, it's just that nobody noticed.

SRJ

10-19-2007, 02:43 PM

smearing hush??

hush makes a living smearing people ray!

Hmmm, let's see...radio guy smearing people = US Senator smearing people.

Y'know, somehow that doesn't jibe.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:43 PM

Well, let's just see what they say in '08.For better or worse, they'll say get out of Iraq.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 02:44 PM

Hmmm, let's see...radio guy smearing people = US Senator smearing people.

Y'know, somehow that doesn't jibe.

sorry but the guy who spews his propoganda unfettered on the Armed Forces radio network is not just an ordinary radio guy..

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 02:48 PM

sorry but the guy who spews his propoganda unfettered on the Armed Forces radio network is not just an ordinary radio guy..
Who has Rush Limbaugh smeared?

Then, define smear.

SRJ

10-19-2007, 02:50 PM

sorry but the guy who spews his propoganda unfettered on the Armed Forces radio network is not just an ordinary radio guy..

Well,

1) Is it your suggestion that Rush be pulled from the airwaves? If so, that's typical liberalism: tolerance for everyone...we like.

2) I still don't understand what a powerful US Senator is doing jumping into the fray with a radio guy. Even if he's such a influential broadcaster as your post says he is, the stupidest thing a Senator could do would be to respond and lend legitimacy to his bit. People like Rush hate to be ignored, and Reid obliged him.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 02:51 PM

Well,

1) Is it your suggestion that Rush be pulled from the airwaves? If so, that's typical liberalism: tolerance for everyone...we like.

2) I still don't understand what a powerful US Senator is doing jumping into the fray with a radio guy. Even if he's such a influential broadcaster as your post says he is, the stupidest thing a Senator could do would be to respond and lend legitimacy to his bit. People like Rush hate to be ignored, and Reid obliged him.
I think it's another Democrat gambit (I like that term) to bring back the Fairness Doctrine.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 02:52 PM

Well,

1) Is it your suggestion that Rush be pulled from the airwaves? If so, that's typical liberalism: tolerance for everyone...we like.

2) I still don't understand what a powerful US Senator is doing jumping into the fray with a radio guy. Even if he's such a influential broadcaster as your post says he is, the stupidest thing a Senator could do would be to respond and lend legitimacy to his bit. People like Rush hate to be ignored, and Reid obliged him.

well then we should allow Micheal Moore present his views to our nations poorest so they can decide on our future healthcare system. his view alone will inform them of the true nature of our broken healthcare system.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 02:54 PM

well then we should allow Micheal Moore present his views to our nations poorest so they can decide on our future healthcare system. his view alone will inform them of the true nature of our broken healthcare system.
Who's preventing Michael Moore from presenting his views to anyone?

SRJ

10-19-2007, 02:55 PM

I think it's another Democrat gambit (I like that term) to bring back the Fairness Doctrine.

As a chessplayer, I too like the term Democrat gambit.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 02:55 PM

Is Michael Moore on Armed Forces Radio?

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 02:56 PM

Who's preventing Michael Moore from presenting his views to anyone?

no one. but like hush is allowed to promote his warped view to our military without regard to it's truthfulness we should just allow demogouges to reach specific audiences via the govt.

SRJ

10-19-2007, 02:58 PM

Who's preventing Michael Moore from presenting his views to anyone?

I'll field that one, Yoni.

If a liberal fails to draw the same audience as Hush or Whaanity (hey, it's kinda fun pretending to be a liberal), then obviously that liberal is getting suppressed by the VRWC. Therefore, we must apply the Fairness Doctrine.

SRJ

10-19-2007, 02:59 PM

Is Michael Moore on Armed Forces Radio?

Does he have a radio show? I honestly don't know.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:00 PM

smearing hush?? :lol :lol :lol :lol

hush makes a living smearing people ray!

Rush makes his living by being an entertainer and gives
people information that used to be not available. He
is the other voice to the MSM.

He at least tells you what his accuracy rating is. Does
CNN/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NYT/WashPost.

He does give his opinion. And he tells you he is a
conservative. Now does Mr. Reid, does Ms. Bill Clinton,
does Mr. Obama. The later tells you they are Democrats,
but are they. Nope. They are Socialist. Do they above
mentioned networks, newspapers tell you that what
party they are supporting. Nope, they try to tell you
they are neutral. Yeah, believe that and I have bridge
in Laredo I want to sell you.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 03:00 PM

no one. but like hush is allowed to promote his warped view to our military without regard to it's truthfulness we should just allow demogouges to reach specific audiences via the govt.
What's stopping them?

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:01 PM

I don't think Rush belongs on Armed Forces Radio any more than Air America does.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:02 PM

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 03:03 PM

I'll field that one, Yoni.

If a liberal fails to draw the same audience as Hush or Whaanity (hey, it's kinda fun pretending to be a liberal), then obviously that liberal is getting suppressed by the VRWC. Therefore, we must apply the Fairness Doctrine.

Ok I guess your going to play stupid. You and I both know that Hush's show was approved by the govt to be heard by the Armed Forces radio. You seem to be ok with a hyper partisan reaching our military with govt permission. You seem to think that's ok. I provided you with an example of another hyper partisan being allowed, via the govt, to present his views unfettered. Would that be alright? If the govt allowed Mr Moore to use his propoganda as a source of information on informaing the poor in our country on the issue of healthcare? gun control?

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:03 PM

I don't think Rush belongs on Armed Forces Radio any more than Air America does.

I didn't know you could think. You have never demonstrated
it on this forum.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:03 PM

Rush makes his living by being an entertainer and gives
people information that used to be not available. He
is the other voice to the MSM.

He at least tells you what his accuracy rating is. Does
CNN/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NYT/WashPost.:lol Accuracy determined by whom?

He does give his opinion. And he tells you he is a
conservative. Now does Mr. Reid, does Ms. Bill Clinton,
does Mr. Obama. The later tells you they are Democrats,
but are they. Nope. They are Socialist.:lmao They have made too much money in the free market to be socialists.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:04 PM

I didn't know you could think. You have never demonstrated
it on this forum.I know you can think, x. You just aren't very good at it and prefer to let others do it for you.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 03:05 PM

:lol Accuracy determined by whom?

:lmao They have made too much money in the free market to be socialists.

shhhh don't tell ray that. he doesn't realize they are rich and would suffer if socialism was introduced and pushed in our country.. let ray continue to think they are socialists..

SRJ

10-19-2007, 03:05 PM

Why not, Chump?

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 03:05 PM

I don't think Rush belongs on Armed Forces Radio any more than Air America does.
He's on their by popular demand of the Troops and because their is a listenership. If Air America garnered a similar demand from the troops and if anyone would listen, Armed Forces Radio would put them on.

It's not what you think but, what the market thinks.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 03:07 PM

shhhh don't tell ray that. he doesn't realize they are rich and would suffer if socialism was introduced and pushed in our country.. let ray continue to think they are socialists..
Everyone -- but the elites -- would suffer. Surely you don't think socialism is a viable ideology, do you?

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:08 PM

He's on their by popular demand of the Troops and because their is a listenership. If Air America garnered a similar demand from the troops and if anyone would listen, Armed Forces Radio would put them on.

It's not what you think but, what the market thinks.Since when is the government a market?

SRJ

10-19-2007, 03:09 PM

Ok I guess your going to play stupid. You and I both know that Hush's show was approved by the govt to be heard by the Armed Forces radio. You seem to be ok with a hyper partisan reaching our military with govt permission. You seem to think that's ok. I provided you with an example of another hyper partisan being allowed, via the govt, to present his views unfettered. Would that be alright? If the govt allowed Mr Moore to use his propoganda as a source of information on informaing the poor in our country on the issue of healthcare? gun control?

I have no problem with soldiers listening to Rush, Hannity, Al Franken, Ed Schulz, any of them. They're US soldiers, not children.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:09 PM

:lol Accuracy determined by whom?

:lmao They have made too much money in the free market to be socialists.

Ever heard of Arm Hammer? Ever heard of Teddy Kenney?
Every heard of George Soros? Those are just the rich
Americans. Socialist have more to gain than anyone from
a Socialist society. How about Joseph Stalin? Think he
wasn't rich.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 03:10 PM

Everyone -- but the elites -- would suffer. Surely you don't think socialism is a viable ideology, do you?

if I believed that Hillary or any other democrat wered trying to introduce socialism as an ideology they wouldn't have my support. With that being said that's the 2008 election cycle catch word.. 'socialism'..will replace 'flip flopper'... nothing like lying to America to get them to vote for you!!

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:10 PM

Why not, Chump?Why should it? Stick to VOA News and entertainment shows. Leave partisan politics out of it.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:11 PM

I have no problem with soldiers listening to Rush, Hannity, Al Franken, Ed Schulz, any of them. They're US soldiers, not children.

They also Americans and last I heard we still have freedom
or choice and they can turn the radio off if they don't
want to listen to him. How many hours of NPR is on
AFRN.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:11 PM

I have no problem with soldiers listening to Rush, Hannity, Al Franken, Ed Schulz, any of them. They're US soldiers, not children.Then they can use Sirius to listen to them.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:12 PM

if I believed that Hillary or any other democrat wered trying to introduce socialism as an ideology they wouldn't have my support. With that being said that's the 2008 election cycle catch word.. 'socialism'..will replace 'flip flopper'... nothing like lying to America to get them to vote for you!!

GGA if you think they aren't Socialist you need to check
out the meaning of socialism.

SRJ

10-19-2007, 03:13 PM

Stick to VOA News and entertainment shows. Leave partisan politics out of it.

But partisan politics is entertaining. I was disappointed when our Air America affiliate went off the air. I enjoyed listening to liberals and getting mad at what they said. Schadenfreude is most certainly entertainment.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:13 PM

Ever heard of Arm Hammer? Ever heard of Teddy Kenney?I've heard of Armand Hammer and Teddy Kennedy. Maybe that's who you are posting about between your afternoon drinks. Not really hardcore socialists.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:13 PM

Then they can use Sirius to listen to them.

Chump knows best. Like I said I have known him to use
good thinking skills.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:14 PM

I've heard of Armand Hammer and Teddy Kennedy. Maybe that's who you are posting about between your afternoon drinks. Not really hardcore socialists.

Really maybe you need to go back and read a little
recent history and their ties to the Soviet Union.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:14 PM

But partisan politics is entertaining. I was disappointed when our Air America affiliate went off the air. I enjoyed listening to liberals and getting mad at what they said. Schadenfreude is most certainly entertainment.So you just made an argument for equal time.

I say why bother? Skip the partisan politics.

SRJ

10-19-2007, 03:15 PM

VRWC? What is that? (Very) Right Wing Conspiracy?

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, xray. As coined by Hillary herself.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 03:15 PM

There was a push back in 2006 to have Rush and Sean Hannity removed from Armed Forces Radio and it nearly succeeded; but, a backlash from the military (particularly those stationed overseas), caused the network to rethink the move.

SRJ

10-19-2007, 03:18 PM

So you just made an argument for equal time.

Actually, I made the argument before then too. In fact, you responded to the other post I made.

According to Wikipedia, conservative and liberal talk radio hosts play on AFR. I realize Wikipedia can be inaccurate, but that's what the site claimed. So if that's true, apparently equal time exists.

I say why bother? Skip the partisan politics.

A reasonable position, but I don't think there's any harm in it.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 03:19 PM

if I believed that Hillary or any other democrat wered trying to introduce socialism as an ideology they wouldn't have my support. With that being said that's the 2008 election cycle catch word.. 'socialism'..will replace 'flip flopper'... nothing like lying to America to get them to vote for you!!
You don't think Hillary is trying to introduce socialism as an ideology in America?

Hillary "I-have-a-million-ideas-the-country-can't-afford" Clinton?

Good morning, Rip Van Winkle.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:20 PM

Really maybe you need to go back and read a little
recent history and their ties to the Soviet Union.Ok, here's a little recent history....

ARMAND HAMMER PARDONED BY BUSH

By DAVID RAMPE, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: August 15, 1989

President Bush pardoned Armand Hammer today for making illegal contributions to President Richard M. Nixon's re-election campaign 17 years ago.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDC1F3EF936A2575BC0A96F9482 60

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Oh, Gee!!

10-19-2007, 03:21 PM

He damn sure has. And, he did so in the face of overwhelming and unprecendented Congressional meddling by Democrats. Not to mention seditious and treasonous acts by the media and leakers within the Intelligence agencies of the U.S.

By any measure -- arguments about the legitimacy of the war aside -- the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have been the most successful and humane in the history of warfare.

In other words, if you believed this war were legitimate (which I know you don't), you'd have to concede the United States military has achieved in Iraq -- at the cost of almost 4,000 lives -- what we couldn't achieve in Vietnam at a cost of 55,000 lives or Korea, another 55,000 lives, or what we, thankfully achieved, in Europe and the Pacific theaters of WWII at a cost of nearly 500,000 lives.

Collateral damage is less and civilian casualties are lower than in any other war we've fought.

The stated objective of removing the Ba'athist Regime of Saddam Hussein was achieved in about three weeks...despite the defeatist warnings that it would take 10's of thousands of body bags to ship home the dead American Troops.

The stated objective of routing al Qaeda in Iraq appears nearly complete and that appears to be bringing about a renewed sense of cooperation in Iraq which will improve security and stability in the region.

Already violent deaths are down over 85% in some of the worst areas of that country. Areas that were reporting 150 murders/violent deaths per week, just last month, are down to approximately 5 deaths per week.

Hell, if Iraq stabilizes and starts operating from the Constitution it has already passed, they will have gone from tyranny to democracy in a shorter amount of time than did the United States when it declared its independence from Britain in 1776. Not only they, they will have done so with a smaller per capita loss of life than did the colonies.

Afghanistan is the same...no matter what the CBC, the BBC, and NPR say.

I don't think anyone honestly believed that the U.S. military would not handily defeat Saddam and his army, but the fact that they didn't anticipate or prepare for what happened next makes the architects of this war utter failures at their jobs.

You can gloss over all the numbers all you like, but not many people will agree with you that the cost of American lives was worth it.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 03:30 PM

GGA if you think they aren't Socialist you need to check
out the meaning of socialism.

why would they want socialism ray? ( predicting "why don't you ask them yourself?") since you KNOW that's what they are fill me in on what their motives would be?

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 03:31 PM

You don't think Hillary is trying to introduce socialism as an ideology in America?

Hillary "I-have-a-million-ideas-the-country-can't-afford" Clinton?

Good morning, Rip Van Winkle.

What would her motive be to do this?

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 03:32 PM

I don't believe anyone honestly believed that the U.S. military would not handily defeat Saddam and his army, but the fact that they didn't anticipate or prepare for what happened next makes the architects of this war utter failures at their jobs.
Please.

No battle plan ever survived first contact with the enemy.

There hasn't been a war where military mistakes haven't been made.

Let's suggest the the U.S. had gone in with overwhelming force and Saddam Hussein had used Chemical or Biological weapons. That would have been a mistake that would have far outweighed the one you now bitch about.

I think history will show that many of our supposed "allies," including France, Germany, Russia, and the venerable Secretary General of the U.N. were actively supporting the Ba'athist regime of Saddam Hussein, under the table, in a manner that undermined our preparation and run up to the invasion.

I think history will show that Saddam Hussein's regime was actively engaged with al Qaeda in an effort to bring about just what happened after his regime fell. And, if he wasn't, there were certainly elements of the Ba'athist regime that were. How else do you explain the complicity between former regime members and foreign al Qaedans that rushed into the vaccuum?

I think history will show there were alot of forces arrayed against us in our invasion of Iraq and, that in spite of it all, we prevailed. Iran, Syria, al Qaeda, and Iraqi insquabbling all conspired to defeat us...but, we will, in the end prevail.

No, there have been much worse mistake made in previous conflicts that resulted in a much greater loss of life. We don't fault military commanders for not being able to predict the unpredictable or for wrongly choosing from a myriad of possible outcomes and setting a course.

Losers do that.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 03:32 PM

Please.

No battle plan ever survived first contact with the enemy.

There hasn't been a war where military mistakes haven't been made.

Let's suggest the the U.S. had gone in with overwhelming force and Saddam Hussein had used Chemical or Biological weapons. That would have been a mistake that would have far outweighed the one you now bitch about.

I think history will show that many of our supposed "allies," including France, Germany, Russia, and the venerable Secretary General of the U.N. were actively supporting the Ba'athist regime of Saddam Hussein, under the table, in a manner that undermined our preparation and run up to the invasion.

I think history will show that Saddam Hussein's regime was actively engaged with al Qaeda in an effort to bring about just what happened after his regime fell. And, if he wasn't, there were certainly elements of the Ba'athist regime that were. How else do you explain the complicity between former regime members and foreign al Qaedans that rushed into the vaccuum?

I think history will show there were alot of forces arrayed against us in our invasion of Iraq and, that in spite of it all, we prevailed. Iran, Syria, al Qaeda, and Iraqi insquabbling all conspired to defeat us...but, we will, in the end prevail.

No, there have been much worse mistake made in previous conflicts that resulted in a much greater loss of life. We don't fault military commanders for not being able to predict the unpredictable or for wrongly choosing from a myriad of possible outcomes and setting a course.

Losers do that.

I think your wrong. Only losers call others losers.

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:36 PM

I don't think anyone honestly believed that the U.S. military would not handily defeat Saddam and his army, but the fact that they didn't anticipate or prepare for what happened next makes the architects of this war utter failures at their jobs.

You can gloss over all the numbers all you like, but not many people will agree with you that the cost of American lives was worth it.

OG, I don't think anyone likes the idea of any of our young
losing their lives. So lets get that out of the way right
off. But how do you measure what is worth how many
lives? For the person losing a love one, I don't know. I
have lost friends and relatives and nothing at the time
was worth it. But this war in Iraq has been so damn
politicized and the demonized and every other name or
brand you can put on it and so many untruths have
been told.....the really sad thing is what it has done to
this country. We are in a war with some folks that have
to look at us and wonder how they can lose. Really,
if you were on the other side looking in, wouldn't you
have to wonder? The enemy in VN recognized it and
they won. And look what happened here. One of the
ones who helped them win, John Kerry, run for
President and damn near won. And everyone knew
he told lies to the Congress. Doesn't that tell you
something. Because this man is a U.S. Senator.

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 03:40 PM

What would her motive be to do this?
Power. The motivation of all great Socialists.

“The only way to make a difference is to acquire power”

You weren't bothered by her suggestion the government confiscate profits from oil companies to fund government welfare programs? Maybe not. But, oil companies and their stockholders (not all of whom are wealthy) were.

“I prefer a ‘we’re all in it together’ society,” she said. “I believe our government can once again work for all Americans. It can promote the great American tradition of opportunity for all and special privileges for none.”

“Fairness doesn’t just happen. It requires the right government policies.”

“It's time to replace an 'on your own' society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity”

and my personal favorite:

“Many of you are well enough off that [President Bush’s] tax cuts may have helped you. We’re saying that for America to get back on track, we’re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We’re going to have to take things away from you on behlaf of the common good.”

Yeah, she's a socialist.

She's proposing a socialist health care plan she's wanting to take money from you and me and give it people just for being born.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:43 PM

Please.

No battle plan ever survived first contact with the enemy.

There hasn't been a war where military mistakes haven't been made.

Let's suggest the the U.S. had gone in with overwhelming force and Saddam Hussein had used Chemical or Biological weapons. That would have been a mistake that would have far outweighed the one you now bitch about.Huh? Why throw in one variable that absolutely didn't happen and wasn't within our control? What if the US had gone in with the originally planned force level and secured the entire country?

I think history will show that many of our supposed "allies," including France, Germany, Russia, and the venerable Secretary General of the U.N. were actively supporting the Ba'athist regime of Saddam Hussein, under the table, in a manner that undermined our preparation and run up to the invasion.But it really didn't. The sad truth is the very buildup to Iraq made the invasion of Iraq inevitable.

I think history will show that Saddam Hussein's regime was actively engaged with al Qaeda in an effort to bring about just what happened after his regime fell. And, if he wasn't, there were certainly elements of the Ba'athist regime that were. How else do you explain the complicity between former regime members and foreign al Qaedans that rushed into the vaccuum?If you don't remember, we had Saddam Hussein in our custody for six months. If there was something to learn about a connection to Al Qaeda, why didn't we get it from Saddam himself?

I think history will show there were alot of forces arrayed against us in our invasion of Iraq and, that in spite of it all, we prevailed. Iran, Syria, al Qaeda, and Iraqi insquabbling all conspired to defeat us...but, we will, in the end prevail.I think you're full of shit. We half-assed the invasion and quarter-assed the occupation and allowed all of problems to occur.

No, there have been much worse mistake made in previous conflicts that resulted in a much greater loss of life. We don't fault military commanders for not being able to predict the unpredictable or for wrongly choosing from a myriad of possible outcomes and setting a course.
We fault the politicians who made all the wrong decisions that fucked over our military men and women. Their blood is on Bush & company's incompetent hands.

George Gervin's Afro

10-19-2007, 03:43 PM

Power. The motivation of all great Socialists.

You weren't bothered by her suggestion the government confiscate profits from oil companies to fund government welfare programs? Maybe not. But, oil companies and their stockholders (not all of whom are wealthy) were.

and my personal favorite:

Yeah, she's a socialist.

She's proposing a socialist health care plan she's wanting to take money from you and me and give it people just for being born.

So I guess it's about power. Power for who? her? if she wins it will only be for 8 yrs max? so who will have this 'power'?

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 03:47 PM

So I guess it's about power. Power for who? her? if she wins it will only be for 8 yrs max? so who will have this 'power'?
Wait a minute, can we agree she's a socialist first. Then I'll give you a lesson on how she intends to consolidate her power and enjoy the fruits beyond 2016.

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:48 PM

Wait a minute, can we agree she's a socialist first. Then I'll give you a lesson on how she intends to consolidate her power and enjoy the fruits beyond 2016.Just like Bill did.

I mean he got his own library!

Yonivore

10-19-2007, 03:56 PM

Quote Quiz (http://dwsimms.blogspot.com/2007/10/socialist-quote-quiz.html)

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 03:57 PM

A blog!

xrayzebra

10-19-2007, 03:57 PM

Just like Bill did.

I mean he got his own library!

Library or massage parlor. I understand it looks
like a double wide. He still trolling with those hundred
dollar bills.

jochhejaam

10-19-2007, 06:03 PM

I'm sure there are fools out there that blindly buy into Reid's shenanigans (step up and identify yourselves), but for the most part he's little more than a hypocritical laughingstock.

I haven't heard, has Reid taken up Rush on his challenge to join him in matching the winning bid?

ChumpDumper

10-19-2007, 07:53 PM

I don't really care one way or another, but the man writes $4 million letters.

Keep 'em coming!

PixelPusher

10-19-2007, 08:10 PM

I don't really care one way or another, but the man writes $4 million letters.

Keep 'em coming!
A nice chunk of change, but not nearly enough to retire on.

jochhejaam

10-20-2007, 06:45 AM

I don't really care one way or another, but the man writes $4 million letters.

Keep 'em coming!
It good to see there are people out there willing to turn Reids' negative into a positive, but it's a bit silly to suggest that continued libelous, defamatory attacks would generate the same results.
Condemnation for the shameless, laughable Reid.
Commendations for the generosity of Casey and for the innovation of Limbaugh.

George Gervin's Afro

10-20-2007, 08:39 AM

Yonivore

10-20-2007, 09:07 AM

speaking of blindly buying into shenanigans of a hypocritical laughingstock how do you deal without hush each weekend?
I still find it amazing that you're persisting in comparing the behavior and antics of an entertainer to those of the majority leader of the United States Senate.

Yonivore

10-20-2007, 09:30 AM

And what about the phony media that abets the phony Democrats in their assinine antics?

The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/washington/19cnd-letter.html?ex=1350532800&en=14110db20e69d5e5&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss) brings its characteristic passion for accuracy to the story on the auction. In the very first sentence of its story, the Times misreports:

After Rush Limbaugh referred to Iraq war veterans critical of the war as “phony soldiers,” he received a letter of complaint signed by 41 Democratic senators.
The Times gets the "41 Democratic senators" right, but it is incapable of a fairly reporting Rush's remarks. It regurgitates the Hillary Matters lie maintained by the 41 Senate Democrats who signed the letter to Clear Channel condemning Rush.

The auction of the letter for the benefit of the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Fund was of course Rush's ingenious response to the Democrats' impugning his support for the armed forces. It was his way of embarrassing the senators who, while absurdly attacking him for his lack of support for the armed forces, have not hesitated to undermine our efforts in Iraq, for example, by declaring defeat. The Times is nevertheless happy to let Harry Reid make the auction a sort of joint venture with Rush, quoting Reid on the floor of the Senate yesterday:

“I strongly believe that when we can put our differences aside, even Harry Reid and Rush Limbaugh, we should do that and try to accomplish good things for the American people,” he said.
The Times could have served a useful purpose if it had been able to disclose precisely how Reid put aside his differences with Rush and attempted to accomplish something good for the American people. Did it include seeking to have Rush muzzled? (Rush responded to Reid on his show yesterday: “It wasn’t your letter that raised this money. It was your abuse of power that is responsible for raising this money.”) Did Reid send the Democrats' letter to Clear Channel as a charitable act? Did the Senate Democrats pitch in with a contribution to the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Fund?

Before we leave the subject, I want to revisit a few of the Democrats' greatest hits expressing support of our armed forces. They provide useful context for the phony "phony soldiers" controversy orchestrated by Hillary Matters and executed by HM's dutiful Democratic poodles. Here are a few statements previously made by signatories to the letter attacking Rush:

Harry Reid (on "the surge"):

Now I believe, myself, that the secretary of state, the secretary of defense and you have to make your own decision as to what the president knows: that this war is lost, that the surge is not accomplishing anything.
Oooops.

More Harry Reid:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid confirmed Thursday that he told liberal bloggers last week that he thinks outgoing Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace is "incompetent."
Dick Durbin (on Guantanamo):

If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Hillary Clinton (to General Petraeus):

[T]oday you are testifying about the current status of our policy in Iraq and the prospects of that policy. It is a policy that you have been ordered to implement by the president. And you have been made the de facto spokesmen for what many of us believe to be a failed policy.

Despite what I view as your rather extraordinary efforts in your testimony both yesterday and today, I think that the reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief.
Edward Kennedy:

Shamefully, we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management: U.S. management.
John Kerry:

Education -- if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.
More John Kerry:

And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- of -- the historical customs, religious customs.
Barack Obama:

We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there.
Charles Schumer (on "the surge"):

[L]et me be clear, the violence in Anbar has gone down despite the surge, not because of the surge. The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from al Qaeda said to these tribes we have to fight al Qaeda ourselves. It wasn’t that the surge brought peace here. It was that the warlords took peace here, created a temporary peace here.
Sweet, sweet support for the troops...

FromWayDowntown

10-20-2007, 09:53 AM

Sweet, sweet support for the troops...

Is total and unconditional acceptance of current military policies and strategies in Iraq the only way to show support for the troops?

As an aside, I find it terribly interesting (and quite curious) that so many on the right have taken to calling Barack Obama by his middle name; I've yet to see any basis, other than a shared name, to equate Obama to a cruel dictator. Then again, so frequently those on the right scream about divisive politics, only to engage in petty divisiveness like calling Barack Obama names like "Hussein."

clambake

10-20-2007, 10:09 AM

it's usually the ones that cheer for war that are the most cowardly.

ChumpDumper

10-20-2007, 10:15 AM

It good to see there are people out there willing to turn Reids' negative into a positive, but it's a bit silly to suggest that continued libelous, defamatory attacks would generate the same results.If they are such, where is that lawsuit? Rush could sue for damages and give them to charity. If our resident lawyer says the letter is actionable, I'll accept that characterization, I won't accept fifth-hand neocon blog regurgitations.

Condemnation for the shameless, laughable Reid.
Commendations for the generosity of Casey and for the innovation of Limbaugh.Commendations for all. They are all shameless, but charity got some money.

Do it again!

ChumpDumper

10-20-2007, 10:24 AM

Is total and unconditional acceptance of current military policies and strategies in Iraq the only way to show support for the troops?Acceptance is not enough. You must characterize this war as the best war ever. Otherwise you are a traitor.

As an aside, I find it terribly interesting (and quite curious) that so many on the right have taken to calling Barack Obama by his middle name; I've yet to see any basis, other than a shared name, to equate Obama to a cruel dictator. Then again, so frequently those on the right scream about divisive politics, only to engage in petty divisiveness like calling Barack Obama names like "Hussein."[/QUOTE]They're pussies who prey on people's fears and prejudices. They have already tried to pass off Obama as some kind of radically-trained Islamofascist sleeper agent; they use the middle name to keep the idea in others' minds.

Yonivore

10-20-2007, 11:25 AM

Is total and unconditional acceptance of current military policies and strategies in Iraq the only way to show support for the troops?
Except for the erroneous quote about the surge failing the statemtents aren't about military strategy or even administration policy but, about the competency and veracity of individuals and the specific (albeit erroneously generalized) acts of individual military units.

I didn't even include the Murtha quote calling the Haditha Marines cold-blooded murderers. I wonder if he's apologized yet.

As an aside, I find it terribly interesting (and quite curious) that so many on the right have taken to calling Barack Obama by his middle name; I've yet to see any basis, other than a shared name, to equate Obama to a cruel dictator. Then again, so frequently those on the right scream about divisive politics, only to engage in petty divisiveness like calling Barack Obama names like "Hussein."
His parents called him that first. Or, did he change his name to that? I have no idea. But, it is his name.

And, I never equated him to Saddam Hussein. However, now that I think about, I suspect that if Saddam Hussein were still alive he'd be bitching about how the U. S. Military was, "...just air-raiding villages and killing civilians...". What do you think?

Guess what, I go by my middle name.

Yonivore

10-20-2007, 11:42 AM

Then there's Democratic Congressman Pete Stark who, any rational person would agree, went too far when he accused President Bush, on the House floor, of "just lik[ing] to blow things up," and of getting soldiers killed in Iraq for his own "amusement." And he wasn't done there:

"What are you going to do for that 200 or 300 billion bucks, folks, that you're spending to kill these kids when they grow up? You can't answer that, can you? You look at your shoes, look up here, you don't know," he said.

"So you don't even want to talk about 200 or 300 billion bucks to kill innocent Iraqis and young men and women. There is no member of this House that has an enlisted child over there. There is no risk for you guys."
This last claim is false, unless Stark is playing games with the meaningless phrase "enlisted child"; to take just one example of several, the son Congressman, John Kline, has flown helicopters in Iraq. And the al Qaeda members and other terrorists, many of them not Iraqis, who are being killed and captured by our forces in Iraq are hardly "innocent." But facts have never been important when it comes to left-wing rants on the House floor.

Stark's tirade was insane, but for some time afterward, not a single Democrat tried to distance himself or herself from it, while Stark was wildly applauded on the left (and equally crazed) side of the blogosphere.

This episode seemed to test the proposition that there is literally nothing that the leaders of the Democratic Party cannot stomach, but Nancy Pelosi finally stepped in with some mild criticism (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/19/MNH9ST598.DTL&tsp=1):

"While members of Congress are passionate about their views, what Congressman Stark said during the debate was inappropriate and distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand - providing health care for America's children," Pelosi, D-San Francisco said.
Or, one might add, America's adults; the many of SCHIP recipients, in a number of other states, are adults, not children.

Still, if you look at the overall reaction from Democrats, such as the quote from Congresswoman Barbara Lee in the linked San Francisco Chronicle article, it appears that Stark's descent into lunacy was a welcome complement to the Democrats' political strategy.

These people aren't criticizing strategy or policy they're attacking individuals and impugning the U. S. Military as a whole.

ChumpDumper

10-20-2007, 12:36 PM

Phony Democrats, part 2

The auction of the Senate Democrats' letter falsely attacking Rush Limbaugh concluded yesterday with a winning bid of $2,100,100 by Betty Casey of the Eugene Casey Foundation, to be matched by Rush, for a total contribution of $4,200,200 to the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation. The New York Times brings its characteristic passion for accuracy to the story on the auction. In the very first sentence of its story, the Times misreports:

After Rush Limbaugh referred to Iraq war veterans critical of the war as “phony soldiers,” he received a letter of complaint signed by 41 Democratic senators.

The Times gets the "41 Democratic senators" right, but it is incapable of a fairly reporting Rush's remarks. It regurgitates the Hillary Matters lie maintained by the 41 Senate Democrats who signed the letter to Clear Channel condemning Rush.

The auction of the letter for the benefit of the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Fund was of course Rush's ingenious response to the Democrats' impugning his support for the armed forces. It was his way of embarrassing the senators who, while absurdly attacking him for his lack of support for the armed forces, have not hesitated to undermine our efforts in Iraq, for example, by declaring defeat. The Times is nevertheless happy to let Harry Reid make the auction a sort of joint venture with Rush, quoting Reid on the floor of the Senate yesterday:

“I strongly believe that when we can put our differences aside, even Harry Reid and Rush Limbaugh, we should do that and try to accomplish good things for the American people,” he said.

The Times could have served a useful purpose if it had been able to disclose precisely how Reid put aside his differences with Rush and attempted to accomplish something good for the American people. Did it include seeking to have Rush muzzled? (Rush responded to Reid on his show yesterday: “It wasn’t your letter that raised this money. It was your abuse of power that is responsible for raising this money.”) Did Reid send the Democrats' letter to Clear Channel as a charitable act? Did the Senate Democrats pitch in with a contribution to the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Fund?

Before we leave the subject, I want to revisit a few of the Democrats' greatest hits expressing support of our armed forces. They provide useful context for the phony "phony soldiers" controversy orchestrated by Hillary Matters and executed by HM's dutiful Democratic poodles. Here are a few statements previously made by signatories to the letter attacking Rush:

Harry Reid (on "the surge"):

Now I believe, myself, that the secretary of state, the secretary of defense and you have to make your own decision as to what the president knows: that this war is lost, that the surge is not accomplishing anything.

More Harry Reid:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid confirmed Thursday that he told liberal bloggers last week that he thinks outgoing Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace is "incompetent."

Dick Durbin (on Guantanamo):

If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.

Hillary Clinton (to General Petraeus):

[T]oday you are testifying about the current status of our policy in Iraq and the prospects of that policy. It is a policy that you have been ordered to implement by the president. And you have been made the de facto spokesmen for what many of us believe to be a failed policy.

Despite what I view as your rather extraordinary efforts in your testimony both yesterday and today, I think that the reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief.

Edward Kennedy:

Shamefully, we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management: U.S. management.

John Kerry:

Education -- if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.

More John Kerry:

And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- of -- the historical customs, religious customs.

Barack Obama:

We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there.

Charles Schumer (on "the surge"):

[L]et me be clear, the violence in Anbar has gone down despite the surge, not because of the surge. The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from al Qaeda said to these tribes we have to fight al Qaeda ourselves. It wasn’t that the surge brought peace here. It was that the warlords took peace here, created a temporary peace here.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2007/10/018805.php

The suggestive use of Obama's middle name is Yoni's added touch, but he stole that from someone else too.

George Gervin's Afro

10-20-2007, 06:57 PM

I still find it amazing that you're persisting in comparing the behavior and antics of an entertainer to those of the majority leader of the United States Senate.

I am glad we both agree on the notion that entertainers are just that and shouldn't be taken seriously..

Yonivore

10-20-2007, 07:58 PM

I am glad we both agree on the notion that entertainers are just that and shouldn't be taken seriously..
Those 41 Democratic Senators took him so seriously they tried to get him kicked off the air.

ChumpDumper

10-20-2007, 08:01 PM

Actually they just asked him to apologize. If you had read the blog of someone who had read the letter you would know that.

jochhejaam

10-21-2007, 09:16 AM

If they are such, where is that lawsuit?

Lawsuits aren’t mandatory every time some fool recklessly mischaracterizes a story (no need to thank me for enlightening you).

Rush could sue for damages and give them to charity.
Once again you're being silly. I would imagine tht the burden of proof required to obtain a favorable legal rendering, along with the time and cost invested in a lawsuit, can far outweigh the satisfaction of proving it in a Court of Law. Not a worthwhile endeavor.
Besides, Reid came across from his first volley until his last looking like a total arse, no need for a costly, time consuming lawsuit that may or may not accomplish as much.

If our resident lawyer says the letter is actionable, I'll accept that characterization, I won't accept fifth-hand neocon blog regurgitations.

Wow! :dramaquee Aren’t we being a bit overly defensive about an anonymous statement that obviously carries no legal weight? Take some deep breaths and try to relax little fella, no one’s chasing you. :lol

xrayzebra

10-21-2007, 09:46 AM

Oh my, Chump and GGA. Did Rush baby rile you up just a tad?
Stuck it to you folks big time, didn't he. That crow taste
okay? You know you folks really should get some real leadership
in your party. Like President Bush. Who has some integrity and
backbone. Not like Ms. Peolosi, your Secretay of State and Mr.
Reid, the resident realtor for the dimm-o-craps. You gotta
love old man Reid, he wanted to bury the hatchet with Rush. And Rush buried it alright, where the sun don't
shine and Reid will feel the cutting edge.

George Gervin's Afro

10-21-2007, 09:47 AM

Lawsuits aren’t mandatory every time some fool recklessly mischaracterizes a story (no need to thank me for enlightening you).

Once again you're being silly. I would imagine tht the burden of proof required to obtain a favorable legal rendering, along with the time and cost invested in a lawsuit, can far outweigh the satisfaction of proving it in a Court of Law. Not a worthwhile endeavor.
Besides, Reid came across from his first volley until his last looking like a total arse, no need for a costly, time consuming lawsuit that may or may not accomplish as much.

Wow! :dramaquee Aren’t we being a bit overly defensive about an anonymous statement that obviously carries no legal weight? Take some deep breaths and try to relax little fella, no one’s chasing you. :lol

I have to agree with you on one thing. As Reed , hush has nade himsefl look like an ass for many years and it has served him well..

clambake

10-21-2007, 09:50 AM

xrayzebra

10-21-2007, 09:53 AM

bury in the ass?

why do you turn every thread into homo?

Only you would consider that a homo statement. Does that
tell everyone something. Wake up on the wrong side of
the bed this morning?

clambake

10-21-2007, 09:55 AM

now you're interested in my bed?

is all this talk a calculated, slow exit from the closet?

xrayzebra

10-21-2007, 10:01 AM

You will have to tell us. I really not into that sort of thing. But
if you are, not my fault. Your mind just runs in small and smaller
circles.

So have a nice day. Go play with your other little friends Chump
and GGA and console each other.

I still think you should call Rush and tell him off. He will put you
to the head of line since you are a liberal. That is his policy.
Hey, you can tell them you are calling for Reid to apologize.
Yeah, he would like that. Remember no guts no glory. Oh,
I forgot you support the dimm-o-craps, the cut and run
bunch. Never mind.

George Gervin's Afro

10-21-2007, 10:02 AM

Only you would consider that a homo statement. Does that
tell everyone something. Wake up on the wrong side of
the bed this morning?

i'm with ray on this one homos don't deserve the right to vote... :rolleyes

xrayzebra

10-21-2007, 10:03 AM

i'm with ray on this one homos don't deserve the right to vote... :rolleyes

That a boy GGA, jump right in there and support your
buddy.......

George Gervin's Afro

10-21-2007, 10:05 AM

That a boy GGA, jump right in there and support your
buddy.......

I'm off to church ray. I'll pray that God lifts you from the ignorant fog that fills your mind..

xrayzebra

10-21-2007, 10:07 AM

I'm off to church ray. I'll pray that God lifts you from the ignorant fog that fills your mind..

Thank you.

clambake

10-21-2007, 10:09 AM

xrayzebra

10-21-2007, 10:25 AM

you know ray, your obsession with rush is really disturbing. you wouldn't think a conservative republican would value the ramblings of a drug addicted racist, unless of course you are not the value party that you say you are.

Look who is telling me I have an obsession..... :lol

You know you really should listen to him sometime and
quit reading Media Matters version. You may learn a
little something.

My boy, I enjoy listening and
enjoy the facts his people dig up from the Media. Much of
which is never in the MSM.

You keep bringing up his drug addiction. He admitted to
that and sought help and as far as I know he kicked the
habit. As for your claim to racism, you and others that
proclaim the same thing, are just flat wrong.

Please don't interrupt this as a defense for Rush, because
it isn't. He needs no defense from me or anyone else. I
think he proved that this past week.

I found it extremely amusing that in Nevada this past
few days his approval ratings were higher than Mr.
Reid. Their elected representative.

No, if you don't mind or even if you do, I will continue to
exercise my right and listen to Rush when I want to.
And again invite you to tune in. Or better still call him
and call him an addict to his face. But you will find
that his staff has a great ability to find things that have
been published and sound bites you will never hear
anywhere else. Come live dangerously, listen to Rush.

clambake

10-21-2007, 10:29 AM

why don't I just listen to you. he formulates your every thought.

clambake

10-21-2007, 10:36 AM

You keep bringing up his drug addiction. He admitted to
that and sought help

really. he got nailed seeking the help of oxiconton, not help to kick any habit.

xrayzebra

10-21-2007, 10:40 AM

really. he got nailed seeking the help of oxiconton, not help to kick any habit.

Obsession! Yep, this it's ugly face.

clambake

10-21-2007, 10:44 AM

why don't I just listen to you. he formulates your every thought.

ChumpDumper

10-21-2007, 03:59 PM

Lawsuits aren’t mandatory every time some fool recklessly mischaracterizes a story (no need to thank me for enlightening you).

Once again you're being silly. I would imagine tht the burden of proof required to obtain a favorable legal rendering, along with the time and cost invested in a lawsuit, can far outweigh the satisfaction of proving it in a Court of Law. Not a worthwhile endeavor.
Besides, Reid came across from his first volley until his last looking like a total arse, no need for a costly, time consuming lawsuit that may or may not accomplish as much.

Wow! :dramaquee Aren’t we being a bit overly defensive about an anonymous statement that obviously carries no legal weight? Take some deep breaths and try to relax little fella, no one’s chasing you. :lol
Nah, you're simply full of shit. Your hyperbole was called for the bullshit it is and you backed off it. It's pretty obvious you haven't read the letter either,

ChumpDumper

10-21-2007, 04:01 PM

Oh my, Chump and GGA. Did Rush baby rile you up just a tad?Hey, if Rush is your baby, that's your business. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

George Gervin's Afro

10-21-2007, 04:08 PM

Look who is telling me I have an obsession..... :lol

You know you really should listen to him sometime and
quit reading Media Matters version. You may learn a
little something.

My boy, I enjoy listening and
enjoy the facts his people dig up from the Media. Much of
which is never in the MSM.

You keep bringing up his drug addiction. He admitted to
that and sought help and as far as I know he kicked the
habit. As for your claim to racism, you and others that
proclaim the same thing, are just flat wrong.

Please don't interrupt this as a defense for Rush, because
it isn't. He needs no defense from me or anyone else. I
think he proved that this past week.

I found it extremely amusing that in Nevada this past
few days his approval ratings were higher than Mr.
Reid. Their elected representative.

No, if you don't mind or even if you do, I will continue to
exercise my right and listen to Rush when I want to.
And again invite you to tune in. Or better still call him
and call him an addict to his face. But you will find
that his staff has a great ability to find things that have
been published and sound bites you will never hear
anywhere else. Come live dangerously, listen to Rush.

Uh Ray I listen to hush every chance I get. He's really full of shit. His 'facts' are his opinions masqueraded. You mention sounbites? Like the one that got him noticed? Funny. The guy makes his living arguing democrat soundbites. Jesus Ray how hard is that? He asks himself questions , in the name of democrats, and then hits it out of the ball park? Of course during this time your nodding right along with good old boy hush..

Wake up man!