View Full Version : Fantasy Basketball- Look at this team! (Yahoo)
DON VITO
10-17-2007, 01:22 AM
I just did a buy in Yahoo league (35 dollars) with some friends who don't know tons about basketball. I got the number 1 pick. Some dude with the 10th and 11th pick said he would trade both his picks to me if I drafted Kobe with my number 1. I told him to draft Yao and Chris Paul for me. Here's my team:
Guards: Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Kevin Martin, Joe Johnson, Grant Hill
Forwards: Andrei Kirilenko, David West, Charlie Villanueva, Tim Thomas, Shane Battier
Centers: Yao Ming, Carlos Boozer, Brad Miller
What do you guys think? I feel that a core of CP3, Boozer, Yao, Kevin Martin, and Joe Johnson is strong.
mystargtr34
10-17-2007, 02:51 AM
Awesome team...how many teams in your league?
Trainwreck2100
10-17-2007, 03:04 AM
Your Forwards leave alot to the imagination.
duncan7721
10-17-2007, 06:04 AM
:flag: Duncan is all you need!
jmard5
10-17-2007, 08:13 AM
You need one or two more centers. Brad Miller is crap the past seasons.
You need another power forward that will give you additional PTs, RBDs and BLKs. Try to get Al Jefferson, if someone from your league still has not noticed is 20/10 contributions the past season.
Your guards are very good. I remember I joined a league and was able to get both Kevin Martin and C-Paul when they were still "unnoticed" by many.
nkdlunch
10-17-2007, 08:33 AM
paul unnoticed? that never happened
jmard5
10-17-2007, 08:41 AM
paul unnoticed? that never happened
:lol Some dude dropped him off his list. Since I was next in line on the waiver list, I picked him up.
And that was an active 12 team league.
DON VITO
10-17-2007, 12:20 PM
Only ten teams are in my league. Having Deron Williams, AK47, and Boozer on my team should get me plenty of stats every night unless Okur has a huge season or something. If Brad Miller returns to form, I will use him and Yao at Center and then push Boozer to Forward. If my team stays healthy, I should be set.
:flag: Duncan is all you need!
Duncan is not quite fantasy gold these days....
jmard5
10-17-2007, 01:05 PM
Only ten teams are in my league. Having Deron Williams, AK47, and Boozer on my team should get me plenty of stats every night unless Okur has a huge season or something. If Brad Miller returns to form, I will use him and Yao at Center and then push Boozer to Forward. If my team stays healthy, I should be set.
Actually, I am not so sure with AK47. His value dropped considerably the past seasons.
jmard5
10-17-2007, 01:08 PM
Duncan is not quite fantasy gold these days....
Duncan was pretty good last season. He was around 20/10/2 in points, rebounds and blocks. You are probably referring to his performance 2 seasons ago while playing with plantar fasciitis.
That guy is a dumbass...........draft Kobe at 1? Draft Lebron.......dughhhhhhhh
jmard5
10-17-2007, 01:19 PM
That guy is a dumbass...........draft Kobe at 1? Draft Lebron.......dughhhhhhhh
Probably a Laker fan.
Top 1 should either be LeBron or Garnett. Hell, probably even Marion... players with multicategory stats.
DOMINATOR
10-17-2007, 01:21 PM
KG should have been number 1... 20-10 every single night.
I wouldn't even draft KG as number 1. His stats are sure to go down with 2 other big players with him. The likes of Marion/Kobe/AK47 who are on the verge of being traded I would stay away from, because who knows what might happen to them. Top 5 should be Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Nash, Arenas/Kobe
DOMINATOR
10-17-2007, 02:12 PM
I wouldn't even draft KG as number 1. His stats are sure to go down with 2 other big players with him. The likes of Marion/Kobe/AK47 who are on the verge of being traded I would stay away from, because who knows what might happen to them. Top 5 should be Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Nash, Arenas/Kobe
i thought that too then i tried to name other good PF's in the east.
jmard5
10-17-2007, 02:50 PM
I wouldn't even draft KG as number 1. His stats are sure to go down with 2 other big players with him. The likes of Marion/Kobe/AK47 who are on the verge of being traded I would stay away from, because who knows what might happen to them. Top 5 should be Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Nash, Arenas/Kobe
The advantage of Garnett is he can do a lot more than scoring. He can fill your stat sheets almost every night. He is also pretty durable unlike AK47.
KG still is a top 1 or top 2 draft pick.
Duncan
10-17-2007, 05:20 PM
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Max Teams: 10
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Actually, based on last years stats, Kobe is a legitimate no. 1 pick. think about it, a decent FG% for someone who shoots so much, and an elite FT% (also consider the sheer voume of FTs), 3Pts, decent asts and rbs, and the scoring... Not to mention the steals.
I wouldn't even draft KG as number 1. His stats are sure to go down with 2 other big players with him. The likes of Marion/Kobe/AK47 who are on the verge of being traded I would stay away from, because who knows what might happen to them. Top 5 should be Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Nash, Arenas/Kobe
Nice assessment of the situation
jmard5
10-17-2007, 09:23 PM
Actually, based on last years stats, Kobe is a legitimate no. 1 pick. think about it, a decent FG% for someone who shoots so much, and an elite FT% (also consider the sheer voume of FTs), 3Pts, decent asts and rbs, and the scoring... Not to mention the steals.
I don't know where you based your stats but Kobe is not the legitimate #1.
Top 3 are often Garnett, LeBron or Marion. Highlighted are the stats where they excelled among the group, including Bryant.
Bryant might have 4 categories where he excels at but compare his stats with LeBron's, and you will see that LeBron has the overall edge over him.
Even Nowitzki's overall stats are better than Kobe's.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5753/statsxv9.jpg
I don't know where you based your stats but Kobe is not the legitimate #1.
Top 3 are often Garnett, LeBron or Marion. Highlighted are the stats where they excelled among the group, including Bryant.
Bryant might have 4 categories where he excels at but compare his stats with LeBron's, and you will see that LeBron has the overall edge over him.
Even Nowitzki's overall stats are better than Kobe's.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5753/statsxv9.jpg
Kobe gets 5.7 Rb and 5.4 Ast. LBJ gets 6.7 and 6. Steals and blocks are very similar, slight edge to LBJ. Slight edge to LBJ in FG% (1%). Kobe gets a few more 3's and not to mention more points.
Here's the kicker for Kobe: 86.9% FT (10 attempts pr game). LBJ shoots a miserable 69.8% (on 9 attempts a game). When someone shoots that often at that low a %, it actually HURTS your fantasy team, while on the other hand, with Kobe on your team (who leads the league in FT made), you will do very well in that cat.
Purple Rain
10-18-2007, 01:09 AM
situation assessment of the Nice
Fixed!
jmard5
10-18-2007, 02:50 AM
Kobe gets 5.7 Rb and 5.4 Ast. LBJ gets 6.7 and 6. Steals and blocks are very similar, slight edge to LBJ. Slight edge to LBJ in FG% (1%). Kobe gets a few more 3's and not to mention more points.
Here's the kicker for Kobe: 86.9% FT (10 attempts pr game). LBJ shoots a miserable 69.8% (on 9 attempts a game). When someone shoots that often at that low a %, it actually HURTS your fantasy team, while on the other hand, with Kobe on your team (who leads the league in FT made), you will do very well in that cat.
That's why you pair up LeBron with good FT shooters in your team.
You are arguing that Kobe is the legitimate #1. I showed you the facts. The stats show that he is not.
You are a die-hard Kobe fan if you pick him as your #1 overall.
That's why you pair up LeBron with good FT shooters in your team.
You are arguing that Kobe is the legitimate #1. I showed you the facts. The stats show that he is not.
You are a die-hard Kobe fan if you pick him as your #1 overall.
A legitimate 1st pick is someone you build your team around, not someone whose liabilities your team has to compensate for. Also for that reason, I would pick KG or Marion over LBJ.
Kobe, Marion and KG have no WEAKNESS (fantasy wise). The cats in which LBJ has an edge on Kobe are only small differences. FT% is not an easy cat to make up, especially when you have someone who misses as much as Lebron. Who else shoots a high volume of FT's (at a good %) that would make up for that cat? Arenas, Dirk, but no way will you be able to pick either after picking Lebron...
jmard5
10-18-2007, 08:13 AM
Not that I consider it really a weakness, but Garnett has a lower FG% compared to the other forwards in the league.
And it's the other way around, even if Kobe has good FT%, there would always be someone in your team who is bad at the FT%. That is why, you always have to draft (or pick in the waivers) someone who will balance everything out.
I would still pick Garnett, LeBron and Marion in that order if I happen to be in the top 3 pick.
Which brings me back to our original topic, would you still pick Kobe as your #1 overall?
Cry Havoc
10-18-2007, 09:07 AM
Who's to say LeBron's FT% doesn't go up this year? I bet he'll be in the 75% range at least. This guy is making vast improvements to his game every year. Kobe has already hit his peak, and his numbers (ft% aside) are already lesser than LBJs.
Fantasy head-to-head isn't about winning every single category. It's about dominating at least 5 of them enough that you don't have to worry about one or two of the more unpredictable cats (fg%, blocks) because you already have at least 3-4 already won. Then you just have to pull your weight and pick up another couple and you'll take it. You don't have to dominate week-to-week to win a fantasy league. 6-3 every week is more than enough to put you in the top 3.
jmard5
10-18-2007, 09:23 AM
Who's to say LeBron's FT% doesn't go up this year? I bet he'll be in the 75% range at least. This guy is making vast improvements to his game every year. Kobe has already hit his peak, and his numbers (ft% aside) are already lesser than LBJs.
Fantasy head-to-head isn't about winning every single category. It's about dominating at least 5 of them enough that you don't have to worry about one or two of the more unpredictable cats (fg%, blocks) because you already have at least 3-4 already won. Then you just have to pull your weight and pick up another couple and you'll take it. You don't have to dominate week-to-week to win a fantasy league. 6-3 every week is more than enough to put you in the top 3.
Damn. LeBron's a monster. I browsed many expert's picks and forums since I started playing fantasy basketball and it's almost always Garnett or LeBron as their #1 overall pick.
With Garnett moving to Boston, I think LeBron will almost be everyone's #1 pick. Not able to bring back Pavlovic and Varejao could also be a factor.
I'd still take KG no. 1 (this year). If there wasn't the whole uncertainty with Kobe, my objective statistical system says Kobe is no. 1 (based on last years stats). But if I had the outright no. 1 pick I woudln't take him, cause I despise the guy. But if it were a choice between him and Lebron, I'd take Kobe.
Baron Davis
Kevin Martin
Chauncey Billups
LeBron James
Nene Hilario
Luol Deng
Andrew Bogut
Nenad Krstic
Monta Ellis
Stephon Marbury
Hedo Turkoglu
Robert Swift
Matt Carroll
Okay, just got this team drafted. :smokin
Looks pretty solid. Maybe a little weak at PF, and I'm not real sure what to expect from Swift?
Any suggestions?
That team looks pretty solid. You got an advantage in assists, points, FT%, FG%. You may also have an advantage in 3PT made, but not so much percentage. Steals might favor you, but rebounding you might have trouble in. I don't see anybody on there that are major shot blockers.
It depends on what PJ does with Swift. Today against the Lakers, Swift was good for around 7 points(3-7), 8 rebounds, 1 block in 22 minutes. If Swift is able to play around 25+ minutes he may give you some rebounding around 8-10 a game hopefully and it looks like you need some help in that catogery.
Maybe you can package Marbury and some other player that you might not need for a PF that can give some rebounds/blocks, that has a good FG%.
Baron Davis
Kevin Martin
Chauncey Billups
LeBron James
Nene Hilario
Luol Deng
Andrew Bogut
Nenad Krstic
Monta Ellis
Stephon Marbury
Hedo Turkoglu
Robert Swift
Matt Carroll
Okay, just got this team drafted. :smokin
Looks pretty solid. Maybe a little weak at PF, and I'm not real sure what to expect from Swift?
Any suggestions?
I'm curious, what pick did you land?
lordswing
10-19-2007, 01:08 AM
Kobe is a solid #1 pick, as he gives you an excellent foundation in FG% and FT% due to his obscene shot attempts. It would be a waste of his talent to draft guys that "balance" his weaknesses in H2H, as the point is not to win all 8 or 9 categories each week, but to dominate in 5 on a weekly basis. If you drafted LBJ, you don't want to spend a pick on Ray Allen or Kevin Martin, instead, you should focus on guys like Dwight Howard and Tyson Chandler, possibly even Shaq, and just kiss FT% goodbye, but winning FG%, Boards, and Blocks.
I'm curious, what pick did you land?
4th pick.
I was surprised to get LeBron, especially since I had him listed behind Shawn Marion in my player rankings.
It was a tough call after the sweep, but fortunately the regular season is not the Finals. :)
Thanks for the advice, I was thinking along the same lines. Ship out Marbury before his head explodes or something, and see if I can pick up a PF, pref a PF/C that can hit some boards.
That being said, Ive got waivers pending on Marbury/Carrol for Anderson Varejao/Hakim Warrick.
jmard5
10-19-2007, 08:19 AM
That being said, Ive got waivers pending on Marbury/Carrol for Anderson Varejao/Hakim Warrick.
Your guards are solid. You also got LeBron which was a surprise.
Just make sure to be kept updated with the Cavs roster spots. Unless I missed out on any NBA news, Varejao might not be playing with the Cavs.
Also, try to look out if you can snatch some players from Portland. With Oden being out, players in their C/PF spots might give you some contributions.
hsxvvd
10-19-2007, 08:39 AM
PG - Jason Terry
SG - Manu Ginobili
G - Richard Hamilton
SF - Peja Stojakovic
PF - Tim Duncan
F - Josh Howard
C - Yao Ming
C- Andris Biedrins
UTL - Richard Jefferson
UTL - Shaquille O'Neal
Bench
Brand
James
Scola
I did a 2-1 trading Diaw & Monta Ellis for Manu and picked up Brand of waivers, it's a ROTO league, so the bench don't mean much, and when Brand comes back I can dump the Daddy.
jmard5
10-19-2007, 08:47 AM
Kobe is a solid #1 pick, as he gives you an excellent foundation in FG% and FT% due to his obscene shot attempts. It would be a waste of his talent to draft guys that "balance" his weaknesses in H2H, as the point is not to win all 8 or 9 categories each week, but to dominate in 5 on a weekly basis. If you drafted LBJ, you don't want to spend a pick on Ray Allen or Kevin Martin, instead, you should focus on guys like Dwight Howard and Tyson Chandler, possibly even Shaq, and just kiss FT% goodbye, but winning FG%, Boards, and Blocks.
Rule of thumb is to get the best players available until the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
Centers are also a prized commodity. If you have LeBron and you get the chance to get either Allen or K.Martin (#1 scoring option now for Kings) then get them. They do not need to necessarily balance LeBron's weakness in FT shooting. They can provide another punch in scoring, 3s and other departments.
As always, Kobe should not be the #1 overall pick. =p
samikeyp
10-19-2007, 09:06 AM
My two teams:
Team 1:
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Baron Davis
Tony Parker
Rashard Lewis
Richard Jefferson
Marcus Camby
Brad Miller
Josh Howard
LaMarcus Aldridge
Mike Miller
Josh Childress
Rudy Gay
Nick Collison
Team 2:
Deron Williams
Josh Smith
Kevin Durant
Kevin Garnett
LaMarcus Aldridge
Rashard Lewis
Mehmet Okur
Troy Murphy
Randy Foye
Richard Jefferson
Rudy Gay
Channing Frey
Mike Dunleavy
hsxvvd
10-19-2007, 05:06 PM
My two teams:
Team 1:
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Baron Davis
Tony Parker
Rashard Lewis
Richard Jefferson
Marcus Camby
Brad Miller
Josh Howard
LaMarcus Aldridge
Mike Miller
Josh Childress
Rudy Gay
Nick Collison
Team 2:
Deron Williams
Josh Smith
Kevin Durant
Kevin Garnett
LaMarcus Aldridge
Rashard Lewis
Mehmet Okur
Troy Murphy
Randy Foye
Richard Jefferson
Rudy Gay
Channing Frey
Mike Dunleavy
How many teams in your league for team 1, seems impossible to be able to draft all those studs. Or have you swindled people on trades?
How many teams in your league for team 1, seems impossible to be able to draft all those studs. Or have you swindled people on trades?
I was thinking the samething. Mikey's 1st team could possibly have the advantage in every catogery.
foot doctor
10-19-2007, 07:04 PM
I have a question, In a H2H leauge would you trade Brandon Roy(rank:36) for kevin martin(rank:41) if I already have baron davis at the other guard?
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brandon_roy/career_stats.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kevin_martin/career_stats.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/baron_davis/career_stats.html
One would say yes, by looking at last season stats for Kevin Martin and Brandon Roy. Martin averaged 20.2 PPG, while Roy averaged 16.8 PPG. Their rebounding, assists, FG%, 3PT%, FT%, MPG barely differed. You could make the arguement that it was Roy's rookie season and he will improve this year, especially since Oden is out and he will have to be relied on even more, but also you could make the arugement for Martin. Martin looks like he's standing out from the rest of the Kings and is their future star guard, so his output might be increased this year, who knows? I would say keep Roy, he's going to improve in his second year and he's gonna be given minutes because of the injuries to other players.
The only reason I included Baron Davis is that he's gonna have to score more since the JRich trade, but Davis has known to go down with injuries from time to time.
GrandeDavid
10-19-2007, 07:18 PM
I just did a buy in Yahoo league (35 dollars) with some friends who don't know tons about basketball. I got the number 1 pick. Some dude with the 10th and 11th pick said he would trade both his picks to me if I drafted Kobe with my number 1. I told him to draft Yao and Chris Paul for me. Here's my team:
Guards: Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Kevin Martin, Joe Johnson, Grant Hill
Forwards: Andrei Kirilenko, David West, Charlie Villanueva, Tim Thomas, Shane Battier
Centers: Yao Ming, Carlos Boozer, Brad Miller
What do you guys think? I feel that a core of CP3, Boozer, Yao, Kevin Martin, and Joe Johnson is strong.
It depends how many people are participating in your league.
foot doctor
10-19-2007, 07:19 PM
thanks
samikeyp
10-19-2007, 09:11 PM
How many teams in your league for team 1, seems impossible to be able to draft all those studs. Or have you swindled people on trades?
I have ten teams in both leagues. As far as team 1 goes...I got lucky. Its a keeper league and in 2004 I had the first pick so I picked TD...that was when Kobe had his legal issues so no one touched him and he was still there in the second round so I picked him. Since its a keeper league, I have kept TD and Kobe every year. My first pick last year was Ray Allen and then I made a deal for T-Mac when the guy who had him was looking to get rid of him because he was always hurt.
And yes, I am the defending champ and some the other guys are kind of homers to their teams. :)
samikeyp
10-19-2007, 09:16 PM
Speaking of homers...in my team #2 league...here is one girl's team
Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Hedo Turkoglu
Stephen Jackson
Boris Diaw
Malik Rose
Samuel Dalembert
Andris Biedrins
Brent Barry
Ime Udoka
Antonio Daniels
Jacque Vaughn
Rasho Nesterovic
She loves the Spurs (and former Spurs) and the French NT...can you tell? :)
My updated roster:
Baron Davis PG
Kevin Martin SG
Chauncey Billups PG
LeBron James SF
Nene Hilario PF/C
Luol Deng SG/SF
Andrew Bogut C
Nenad Krstic PF/C
Monta Ellis PG/SG
Hedo Turkoglu SG/SF
Robert Swift C
Hakim Warrick SF/PF
Chuck Hayes SF/PF
Seems to have good enough flexibility, I'm light a point guard but I think my guard production still should be fine. Any other pointers are appreciated.
hsxvvd
10-21-2007, 07:02 AM
My updated roster:
Baron Davis PG
Kevin Martin SG
Chauncey Billups PG
LeBron James SF
Nene Hilario PF/C
Luol Deng SG/SF
Andrew Bogut C
Nenad Krstic PF/C
Monta Ellis PG/SG
Hedo Turkoglu SG/SF
Robert Swift C
Hakim Warrick SF/PF
Chuck Hayes SF/PF
Seems to have good enough flexibility, I'm light a point guard but I think my guard production still should be fine. Any other pointers are appreciated.
Your FT% & Blocks would be almost last in most leagues.
L.I.T
10-21-2007, 07:53 AM
Team 1 (12 team, redraft, rotisserie):
Chris Paul
Joe Johnson
Ben Gordon
Andre Iguodala
Boris Diaw
David West
Tim Duncan
Jermaine O'Neal
Ryan Gomes
Chucky Atkins
Derek Fisher
Charlie Bell
Jason Kapono
Team 2:
Steve Nash
Kirk Hinrich
Chris Paul
Tracy Mcgrady
Danny Granger
Rudy Gay
Al Jefferson
Brad Miller
Jorge Garbajosa
Raymond Felton
David Lee
Hedo Turkoglu
Darko Milicic
I guess I will post my team.
PG - Chris Paul
SG - Jason Richardson
G - Baron Davis
SF - Kevin Garnett
PF - Nene Hilario
F - Rashard Lewis
C - Alonzo Mourning
C - Nenad Kristic
Util - Mike Miller
Util - Josh Childress
My bench I got:
Lamar Odom (injured)
Raja Bell
Kyle Korver
Derek Fisher
Brent Barry
Boris Diaw
I'm pretty happy with this. KG just got a triple double against the Cavs yesterday, so people(me) doubting if he sitll could fill up the stat sheet with two other stars can think twice. Paul and Davis should rack me up some assists, hopefully Davis can play most of his games. Miller played great last season, but I'm worried those were inflated stats, now that Pau will be back. My rebounding and blocks should be alright. I got another fantasy leauge I'm playing in, but my roster kinda.......sucks. My best player is Dwyane Wade and I think he's injured right now......:oops It wasn't really my fault either, the draft order was setup, not randomized and I was the 16th person to sign up, so I got the 16th pick, which sucks.
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