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[Nbadan]

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The Secret History of the Impending War with Iran That the White House Doesn't Want You to Know


http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/iran-1-1107-lg.jpg


Two former high-ranking policy experts from the Bush Administration say the U.S. has been gearing up for a war with Iran for years, despite claiming otherwise. It'll be Iraq all over again.

Esquire (http://www.esquire.com/features/iranbriefing1107)

Basically summarizes exactly what I have posted before about the policy war going on in the WH between the chicken-hawks, i.e...the neocons, against Condi Rice and Robert Gates.except in much more chilling i'nsider' detail..also touches on why I have stated that declaring the Iranian Qud forces a terra group reduces the chance of any real diplomacy with Iran....

[Nbadan]

Speaking of WW3....Now check this out....

Israel Warns World War III May be Biblical War of Gog and Magog
by Ezra HaLevi


(IsraelNN.com) US President George W. Bush said a nuclear Iran would mean World War III. Israeli newscasts featured Gog & Magog maps of the likely alignment of nations in that potential conflict.

Channel 2 and Channel 10 TV showed the world map, sketching the basic alignment of the two opposing axes in a coming world war, in a manner evoking associations of the Gog and Magog prophecy for many viewers. The prophecy of Gog and Magog refers to a great world war centered on the Holy Land and Jerusalem and first appears in the book of Yechezkel (Ezekiel).

On one side were Israel, the United States, Britain, France and Germany. On the other were Iran, Russia, China, Syria and North Korea.

US President Bush said Wednesday during a press conference that Iran attaining nuclear weapons raises the risk of "World War III."

"If Iran had a nuclear weapon, it'd be a dangerous threat to world peace," Bush said. "So I told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested [in preventing a nuclear Iran]…I take the threat of Iran with a nuclear weapon very seriously.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Iran Tuesday and slammed the US’s refusal to rule out the use of force against Iran’s nuclear project. "Not only should we reject the use of force, but also the mention of force as a possibility," he said.

Russia has blocked tougher UN sanctions in the UN Security Council, where it has veto power. The Russian president asserts that there is no evidence Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons rather than a peaceful nuclear power program.

Israel’s Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni called for a new Security Council resolution against Iran at a press conference following her meeting with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Wednesday. "I do believe there is a need for another Security Council resolution,” she told reporters. “In the past, the need to get everybody on board - including Russia and China - led to some compromises on the nature of the sanctions. I hope this will not be the case this time."

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced Wednesday a sudden trip to Moscow Thursday morning, where he will meet with Putin about Iran. Other topics of discussion will reportedly be Russia’s continued supply of weapons to Syria, which have then made their way into the hands of various terrorist groups based there as well.

Israeli Nation (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123961)

[Nbadan]

World War III Is Going To Be Hilarious
Bob Cesca Wed Oct 17, 10:31 PM ET

"But this -- we got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel. So I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding [grinning] World War III [end grinning], it seems like you [begin giggling] ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge [end giggling] necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

Hahahaha! Yeah! Zinger! That's funny shit. For the record, here's his expression while saying the words "World War Three":


http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2007-10-17-worldwarthreehehehe.jpg
Your president giggled and grinned while discussing World War III


To the rest of the known world, however, World War III a scary thing. It's just below abortion and above rape on the list of the all time unfunniest topics.

Let's break it down.

1. Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon, and if they ever developed one, they'd be smart enough to know (despite how we caricaturize Ahmadinejad) that using it would invite their own destruction a thousand times over. Thus, there is no Iranian nuclear threat.

2. Yet the administration is drawing up plans to illegally and preemptively attack anyway, based on the lie that Iran is a nuclear threat.

3. Congress, despite the president's 24-percent approval rating, won't stop the White House because of, 1) The Fear, and 2) because Congress has allowed the president and vice president to seize unprecedented power which almost entirely circumvents Article I of the Constitution (among other things).

4. Meanwhile, if we do attack, it appears as if Pooty-Poot might bring Russia in on the Iranian side.

5. And there you go. Knee slapping boners all around. Milk just came out of my nose.

They're marketing Iran with more psychotic voracity than Michelle Malkin attacking an injured baby -- and no one can stop them.

As near as I can tell, there doesn't appear to be a governing body or citizen group who can stop them from carrying this out. Congress won't and, honestly, they can't. Last night's Frontline episode, "Cheney's Law," underscored what we've all been worried about: Congress has been rendered ineffectual against the current power madness of the executive.

For example, has Congress clamped down on the president's rampant use of torture? Sure. (Torture is number five on the unfunny syllabus.) The Republican controlled Congress did this, but the president rendered the law pointless with a signing statement.

Ah yes. Torture. Not to digress too far into this thing, but you know how the president can look us in the eye and say, "we don't torture," as he did in today's press conference? He can say this with impunity because the administration has authored its own definition of torture which is so narrow that anything else -- anything you and I would consider to be torture -- isn't.

If it don't cause organ failure, it ain't torture, Stretchy McStretch-o-rama-funny-pants. In a sense, the president isn't lying when he says "we don't torture." It depends on what your definition of torture is.

This excuse, of course, is the same excuse future enemies will use when they torture... us.

Republican cowards who demand security at the expense of liberty/honor/law have facilitated the Bush executive branch with extraordinary power. Now we're trapped in the shadow of the White House's unprecedented strength, and there doesn't appear to be any conceivable way to stop these people. If Cheney wrangles the military hardware to attack Iran, the air strikes will commence with lightning zealotry. Bet on it. Congress can try to stop him, but they don't have the power any more. According to the Bush administration, Article II is Article II and the Commander in Chief rules.

It's as simple as that. Just try telling him he's wrong on this. You could be the most conservative wingnut ever and you'd lose that debate -- not for a lack of rational arguments either.

Is it any wonder why we occasionally succumb to outrage fatigue: that deflated, windless sense of numbing futility we feel when confronted with the illogical and the absurd? We've only begun to dig into the upper strata of lawlessness this regime has perpetrated over the last seven years. And now, in this desperate dying twilight of their existence -- now that they're gravely unpopular and on their way out the door -- reckless and without anything to lose -- why shouldn't they do all the crazy shit they've talked about? Bomb Tehran? Yeah, that'll be awesome and hilarious. More war means more war powers. If you thought the administration's war powers were crazy huge, just imagine their World War powers. Score!

The president always says that history will vindicate him. 15 months from now, he'll be done. Pretending to be a cowboy down there -- raising melanomas in the harsh Crawford sunshine, laughing at the third hilarious war he started all by himself.

Once he's done, by his twisted reasoning, it's someone else's problem. By "someone else" he naturally means "everyone else."

Just like so many powerful men, he appears to be able to switch off his conscience (if one exists in the first place). It's the same switch that allows him to say "we don't torture," or to smirk and laugh while discussing Iraq casualties and World War III. "Everyone else" won't include him because he'll always be safe. He'll always have Crawford and the twins; his fake accent and his delusional view of history; his nicknames and his eh-eh-eh laugh.

The rest of us -- unless we can find a way to stop this Iran drumbeat -- won't be laughing so much.

Yahooooooooo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20071018/cm_huffpost/068914)

[ChumpDumper]

Couldn't she have put on shoes for the Esquire photo shoot?

[RandomGuy]

Normally I give this stuff little credence, but this administration's incompetance, and insanity make this all the more believable.

I don't think the administration is quite so stupid as to think we could invade. We just don't have the troops.

They might try airstrikes, but even that is too stupid even for them. I want to think there is enough sanity in the administration to prevent an attack from happening.

[xrayzebra]

Wait just a cotton pickin min. Are you some of the ones who
not long ago were saying we need to do something about Iran?
I think so.

Now that Bush has made the statement he did about WWIII
everyone is getting on his case. I don't think we will invade
Iran in the near future. Number one, we have enough on our
plate at this time. Number two, if we do attack Iran, it will
be with our Air Force and no boots on the ground. And number
three and the most important, remember something: Iran
is Persian, they are not Arabian and we more than likely would
have the support the Arabs if and when we do take some action.
And it more than likely will be with Germany, England and
France support this time.

[hater]

the propaganda against Iran is getting as bad as it was agains Iraq years ago. But Russia and China will not be stupid enough to be in the badwagon this time. so it looks tough for the USA

[xrayzebra]

Propaganda? What propaganda would that be?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Propaganda? What propaganda would that be?

imminent threat
stockpiles of wmds
drones capable of striking US in 45 minutes
mobile bio weapons labs

if you need more I'll provide them

[ChumpDumper]

Wait just a cotton pickin min. Are you some of the ones who
not long ago were saying we need to do something about Iran?
I think so.Nah, I was more concerned about North Korea's getting the bomb. Great thing we stopped that in it's tracks before they were able to build and test one, right?
Number two, if we do attack Iran, it will
be with our Air Force and no boots on the ground.Which is precisely why an attack will be largely ineffective. Not that an invasion was going to be a great idea anyway.
And number
three and the most important, remember something: Iran
is Persian, they are not Arabian and we more than likely would
have the support the Arabs if and when we do take some action.The sunni would be ok with it. The shia, including those in Iraq -- probably less so.

[xrayzebra]

Which is precisely why an attack will be largely ineffective. Not that an invasion was going to be a great idea anyway.

But, but Clinton won the war in Kosovo with our Air Power,
remember. And he was a hero.

[CubanMustGo]

But, but Clinton won the war in Kosovo with our Air Power,
remember. And he was a hero.

There goes xray, dragging out the Clinton-ex-machina to avoid talking about Bush the Lesser and the topic at hand. Typical.

Don't forget to mention that Clinton lied under oath about Lewinksi. It's totally irrelevant to the discussion but that never seems to stop you.

[ChumpDumper]

But, but Clinton won the war in Kosovo with our Air Power,
remember. And he was a hero.Clinton is no hero, and of course you realize there are 16,000 NATO troops on the ground in Kosovo as you type, including some Americans.

[RandomGuy]

Wait just a cotton pickin min. Are you some of the ones who
not long ago were saying we need to do something about Iran?
I think so.

Now that Bush has made the statement he did about WWIII
everyone is getting on his case. I don't think we will invade
Iran in the near future. Number one, we have enough on our
plate at this time. Number two, if we do attack Iran, it will
be with our Air Force and no boots on the ground. And number
three and the most important, remember something: Iran
is Persian, they are not Arabian and we more than likely would
have the support the Arabs if and when we do take some action.
And it more than likely will be with Germany, England and
France support this time.


Not me.

I don't care if Iran has nukes. Not a whit.

If they want to waste their resources on such a thing, let them.

Quite honestly, my reading about what is happening is that the more we bitch they more they dig in their heels.

The chickens are coming home to roost. We lost all our credibility in Iraq, and now that we sound like chicken fucking little about Iran nobody believes us or is willing to back Bush's initiatives.

Indeed, Bush is even more unpopular worldwide, and has become an excellent way for politicians to score points with their own people.

That is what this administration has done to our nation. Squandered our moral authority and made us into a whipping boy. :bang