Happy Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week!

[Yonivore]

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/images/42t.jpg (http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/75/new-islamo-fascism-awareness-week-poster/)

[ElNono]

You don't have to be Islamic or fascist to be a execution-style murderer...

On June 15, following an investigation by the US Army Criminal Investigation Command, three members of the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division, Private Corey R. Clagett, Staff Sergeant Raymond L. Girouard, and Specialist William B. Hunsaker were charged with "murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, communicating a threat, and obstructing justice" in relation to the deaths of three Iraqi detainees at the Muthana Chemical Complex and threats to kill fellow soldier Private Bradley L. Mason if he revealed details to investigators. The Iraqis were allegedly shot execution-style after they were detained during a combat operation near Thar Thar Canal, southwest of Tikrit, on 09 May.[35][36]

On July 10, U.S. military officials stated that four U.S. soldiers in active service were charged for the gang-rape and murder a 14 year old Iraqi girl, and the murder of her parents and 7 year old sister after plotting the event for almost a week in Mahmudiyah. A fifth person, ex-soldier Steven Green was arrested on July 3 for the same crime by the F.B.I.[37] What happened is known as the Mahmudiyah incident.

[FromWayDowntown]

You don't have to be Islamic or fascist to be a execution-style murderer...

On June 15, following an investigation by the US Army Criminal Investigation Command, three members of the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division, Private Corey R. Clagett, Staff Sergeant Raymond L. Girouard, and Specialist William B. Hunsaker were charged with "murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, communicating a threat, and obstructing justice" in relation to the deaths of three Iraqi detainees at the Muthana Chemical Complex and threats to kill fellow soldier Private Bradley L. Mason if he revealed details to investigators. The Iraqis were allegedly shot execution-style after they were detained during a combat operation near Thar Thar Canal, southwest of Tikrit, on 09 May.[35][36]

On July 10, U.S. military officials stated that four U.S. soldiers in active service were charged for the gang-rape and murder a 14 year old Iraqi girl, and the murder of her parents and 7 year old sister after plotting the event for almost a week in Mahmudiyah. A fifth person, ex-soldier Steven Green was arrested on July 3 for the same crime by the F.B.I.[37] What happened is known as the Mahmudiyah incident.

You clearly don't support the troops, ElNono.

[Yonivore]

You don't have to be Islamic or fascist to be a execution-style murderer...

On June 15, following an investigation by the US Army Criminal Investigation Command, three members of the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division, Private Corey R. Clagett, Staff Sergeant Raymond L. Girouard, and Specialist William B. Hunsaker were charged with "murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, communicating a threat, and obstructing justice" in relation to the deaths of three Iraqi detainees at the Muthana Chemical Complex and threats to kill fellow soldier Private Bradley L. Mason if he revealed details to investigators. The Iraqis were allegedly shot execution-style after they were detained during a combat operation near Thar Thar Canal, southwest of Tikrit, on 09 May.[35][36]

On July 10, U.S. military officials stated that four U.S. soldiers in active service were charged for the gang-rape and murder a 14 year old Iraqi girl, and the murder of her parents and 7 year old sister after plotting the event for almost a week in Mahmudiyah. A fifth person, ex-soldier Steven Green was arrested on July 3 for the same crime by the F.B.I.[37] What happened is known as the Mahmudiyah incident.
Ah, yes, but the difference is the guy in the photo in my previous post is legally executing that woman. We punish our criminals...Islamo-fascism enshrines brutality as a legal precept.

[PixelPusher]

Happy Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week!

...because every military conflict is just like World War II!!!!

[PixelPusher]

Islamo-fascism enshrines brutality as a legal precept.
Stateless outlaws like Al Qaeda don't have "legal precepts", but what the hell, thoughtful distinctions are for pussies!

[ChumpDumper]

So Yoni is against capital punishment now?

[101A]

Ah, yes, but the difference is the guy in the photo in my previous post is legally executing that woman. We punish our criminals...Islamo-fascism enshrines brutality as a legal precept.C'mon Yoni.

You CAN'T win this argument. The other posters are right. Capital punishment here, capital punishment there. Neither society has a monopoly on "right" or "wrong".

We kill our murderer's.

They kill women who show some ankle.

We don't let 15 year old, or felons vote.

They don't let anybody vote.

We have some courthouses that display the 10 commandments.

They execute people who don't pray to Mecca on Friday.

Same damn thing!

[Yonivore]

C'mon Yoni.

You CAN'T win this argument. The other posters are right. Capital punishment here, capital punishment there. Neither society has a monopoly on "right" or "wrong".

We kill our murderer's.

They kill women who show some ankle.

We don't let 15 year old, or felons vote.

They don't let anybody vote.

We have some courthouses that display the 10 commandments.

They execute people who don't pray to Mecca on Friday.

Same damn thing!
My bad.

Happy Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week!

[Oh, Gee!!]

Ah, yes, but the difference is the guy in the photo in my previous post is legally executing that woman. We punish our criminals...Islamo-fascism enshrines brutality as a legal precept.


maybe she murdered someone.

[101A]

maybe she murdered someone.If it helps you rationalize your views and prejudices, maybe she did.

[Oh, Gee!!]

If it helps you rationalize your views and prejudices, maybe she did.

actually I don't know whether she's being legally executed or murdered. I don't know who is doing the executing or whether the executor is acting under some legal authority.

but you seem to know all of those answers based on a snapshot. If anyone has prejudices, my friend, it would be you.

[clambake]

lets wait for Wild Cobra to weigh in on their states rights.

[Yonivore]

maybe she murdered someone.
I don't know. Maybe you can find her story in here:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9484/voowiikj7.jpg (http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/4CDF1CEC-779C-4699-A123-A8992F4D9219/5f35012e-a9b7-4553-abac-efed7da6c983.pdf)

[Spurminator]

So now that we're aware, what do we need to do?

[101A]

actually I don't know whether she's being legally executed or murdered. I don't know who is doing the executing or whether the executor is acting under some legal authority.

but you seem to know all of those answers based on a snapshot. If anyone has prejudices, my friend, it would be you.I know you, or I, don't know what, specifically, THAT woman did to warrant execution.

You argue symantics as if it makes a difference.

Women DO get executed and treated more brutally in Islamic States than they do in the United States. You seem perfectly OK with that.

Happy Islamofacisism Week!

[101A]

So now that we're aware, what do we need to do?Until a crackpot from their country drives a plane into somethig over here...nothing.

In fact, we'll joke about it, and ignore it happens.

Our political groups advocating rights for women won't mention it; in fact they will take part in rally's against politicians or others who might want to act proactively to end regimes that support such practices.

[clambake]

I don't know. Maybe you can find her story in here:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9484/voowiikj7.jpg (http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/4CDF1CEC-779C-4699-A123-A8992F4D9219/5f35012e-a9b7-4553-abac-efed7da6c983.pdf)
what you posted here has already been exposed as a fake. look it up.

[Yonivore]

So now that we're aware, what do we need to do?
Exactly what we're doing. Hunt their asses down and kill them all.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yoni, I imagine you've served in the army? been to war I mean?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Exactly what we're doing. Hunt their asses down and kill them all.


all 200 million? do we have enough bullets?

[Oh, Gee!!]

I don't know. Maybe you can find her story in here:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9484/voowiikj7.jpg (http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/4CDF1CEC-779C-4699-A123-A8992F4D9219/5f35012e-a9b7-4553-abac-efed7da6c983.pdf)

nice photoshop job there

[Oh, Gee!!]

I know you, or I, don't know what, specifically, THAT woman did to warrant execution.

You argue symantics as if it makes a difference.

actually in the context of that particular photo it makes all the difference in the world.


Women DO get executed and treated more brutally in Islamic States than they do in the United States.

I'm sure of it.


You seem perfectly OK with that.

no, I'm not.



Happy Islamofacisism Week!

Thank you, and right back at you.

[Yonivore]

nice photoshop job there
Are you seriously suggesting women aren't buried halfway and stoned to death in Muslim countries practicing Sharia law?

Here, maybe this'll be more convincing:

http://www.machovideo.com/article.php?article=4787

[Oh, Gee!!]

Are you seriously suggesting women aren't buried halfway and stoned to death in Muslim countries practicing Sharia law?

holy leapin' logic, batman!!! I'm suggesting that the photo is a fake.

[Yonivore]

all 200 million? do we have enough bullets?
I suspect you won't have to kill all 200 million before there's a seismic shift in their ideology.

We didn't kill all the Nazis or all of the Japanese.

[Yonivore]

holy leapin' logic, batman!!! I'm suggesting that the photo is a fake.
It was a brochure cover...a brochure that detailed such atrocities. Watch the film I linked. I don't think it's fake.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I suspect you won't have to kill all 200 million before there's a seismic shift in their ideology.

We didn't kill all the Nazis or all of the Japanese.


so would christians abondoned their faith and beliefs if some entity went out and killed many of them? or would this just strengthen their resolve?

are you comparing the islamic faith to nazism? japan?

[Oh, Gee!!]

It was a brochure cover...a brochure that detailed such atrocities. Watch the film I linked. I don't think it's fake.


I hate to be a doubting Thomas but I couldn't make heads or tails of that video--it was very bad quality.

[Yonivore]

I hate to be a doubting Thomas but I couldn't make heads or tails of that video--it was very bad quality.
Okay, I'll see if I can do better.

I wasn't aware there were people that doubted that Muslims still stoned women to death under Sharia law.

Go figure.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Okay, I'll see if I can do better.

I wasn't aware there were people that doubted that Muslims still stoned women to death under Sharia law.

Go figure.


so is that reason alone to go invading muslim dominated countries?

[ChumpDumper]

Ah yes, the white hat rationale for war.

Got some pictures from Darfur?

We're really kicking some ass there, aren't we?

[DarkReign]

Ah yes, the white hat rationale for war.

Got some pictures from Darfur?

We're really kicking some ass there, aren't we?

Does Darfur have oil?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Okay, I'll see if I can do better.

I wasn't aware there were people that doubted that Muslims still stoned women to death under Sharia law.

Go figure.

I don't doubt that stonings still occur, I just can't really tell what's happening in that video. The crowd could be throwing stones, but they could be throwing wads of paper as well.

[Yonivore]

I don't doubt that stonings still occur, I just can't really tell what's happening in that video. The crowd could be throwing stones, but they could be throwing wads of paper as well.
Okay...but, I don't think the Muslim governments record the stonings. I think all the available video was taken with cell phone cameras and smuggled out of the countries...

But, I glad you don't doubt. And, if that's the case, why do you even need a video to be offended by the practice?

[Oh, Gee!!]

why do you even need a video to be offended by the practice?

I don't, and I didn't ask for one. Man, you're full of unfounded assumptions today, aren't you?

[ChumpDumper]

One doesn't have to be "Islamofascist" to stone a woman to death. This April a 17 year old girl from a gnostic sect in northern Iraq was stoned to death by her people for going out with a sunni.

But again, let's not pretend were at war in Iraq for this reason.

[Yonivore]

I don't, and I didn't ask for one. Man, you're full of unfounded assumptions today, aren't you?
You're the one picking nits.

[xrayzebra]

Lets see, we have:
ElNono
PixelPusher
ChumpDumper
elpimpo4cc
101A
Oh, Gee!!
clambake
George Gervin's Afro

that a military man can depend on.
But, as an ex-military person, I don't think I will. I know
they will support me, but not my mission.

Don't you just feel the warmth of their love for the American
Solider. And the compassion for the women of the ME. I
know I do.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't you just feel the warmth of their love for the American
Solider. And the compassion for the women of the ME. I
know I do.Fuck you, you old piece of shit.

I simply don't believe you need to be disingenuous about the reasons you want to send young men off to die. Stoning women is not the reason we are in Iraq.

[xrayzebra]

Fuck you, you old piece of shit.

I simply don't believe you need to be disingenuous about the reasons you want to send young men off to die. Stoning women is not the reason we are in Iraq.

Now, now. Don't let your temper flair like that. You may
hurt someones feelings. Not mine, but you know how
sensitive some are on this forum. And such language.
:nope

[ChumpDumper]

Now, now. Don't let your temper flair like that. You may
hurt someones feelings. Not mine, but you know how
sensitive some are on this forum. And such language.
:nopeIf it doesn't bother you, don't whine about it.

We aren't in Iraq to save women from stoning.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Lets see, we have:
ElNono
PixelPusher
ChumpDumper
elpimpo4cc
101A
Oh, Gee!!
clambake
George Gervin's Afro

that a military man can depend on.
But, as an ex-military person, I don't think I will. I know
they will support me, but not my mission.

Don't you just feel the warmth of their love for the American
Solider. And the compassion for the women of the ME. I
know I do.

what does a fake photo have to do with supporting the military? or is ray off on one of his tangents again?

[101A]

so would christians abondoned their faith and beliefs if some entity went out and killed many of them? or would this just strengthen their resolve?

are you comparing the islamic faith to nazism? japan?Radical islamists?

Yes.


The entire religion?

Nobody said that.

[ChumpDumper]

I am against fake photos, but I will die to protect Yoni's right to post them.

[101A]

Lets see, we have:
ElNono
PixelPusher
ChumpDumper
elpimpo4cc
101A
Oh, Gee!!
clambake
George Gervin's Afro

that a military man can depend on.
But, as an ex-military person, I don't think I will. I know
they will support me, but not my mission.

Don't you just feel the warmth of their love for the American
Solider. And the compassion for the women of the ME. I
know I do.Pay attention you senile old coot, and re-read my posts, please.

Apology accepted.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Radical islamists?

Yes.


The entire religion?

Nobody said that.


so do you think killing 20 or 30 million radical islamists going to change someone else's ideology?

[Oh, Gee!!]

We aren't in Iraq to save women from stoning.

we'd also be in Pakistan and Africa if that was the case

[Yonivore]

we'd also be in Pakistan and Africa if that was the case
One fucking 13th century backwards country at a time, please.

[ChumpDumper]

Killing a few hundred thousand nonradical muslims and forcing another million from their homes made hundreds of thousands of them more radical.

Go figure.

[xrayzebra]

If it doesn't bother you, don't whine about it.

We aren't in Iraq to save women from stoning.

We aren't? Hmmmm, I thought we were there to give
them the same freedoms we enjoy. Would you like
your Mom and Sisters and if married your wife to enjoy
the same rights shown to them in Iraq. Just checking.

[ChumpDumper]

One fucking 13th century backwards country at a time, please.Sorry, Islamic fundamentalists were slaughtering people in Sudan, not Iraq.

[101A]

so do you think killing 20 or 30 million radical islamists going to change someone else's ideology?Who the hell said 20 to 30 million, and what are you talking about?

And, yes, btw; coersion WORKS.

What kind of powerbase do the Nazi's have in Germany? Not what it was in 1940, huh?

How about militant Shintoism in Japan?

I don't want to crusade on anybody's ass, but to suggest that war has not historically changed the behavior of various groups throughout the ages is ignorant.

[xrayzebra]

I am against fake photos, but I will die to protect Yoni's right to post them.


Promises, promises, that is all we ever get. :p:

[ChumpDumper]

We aren't? Hmmmm, I thought we were there to give
them the same freedoms we enjoy.Nope.
Would you like
your Mom and Sisters and if married your wife to enjoy
the same rights shown to them in Iraq. Just checking.Women are still being stoned in Iraq. Even by non-muslims.

[Yonivore]

Promises, promises, that is all we ever get. :p:
If only.

[smeagol]

Stoning women . . .

That is pretty high in my barbaric-o-meter

[George Gervin's Afro]

Who the hell said 20 to 30 million, and what are you talking about?

And, yes, btw; coersion WORKS.

What kind of powerbase do the Nazi's have in Germany? Not what it was in 1940, huh?

How about militant Shintoism in Japan?

I don't want to crusade on anybody's ass, but to suggest that war has not historically changed the behavior of various groups throughout the ages is ignorant.


it is estimated that roughly 10% of all muslims worldwide are followers of the radical islam ideology. there are aprox 2 billion muslims worldwide. 10% of 2 billion is actually 200 million.. i picked 20 or 30 million using these figures.

we aren't talking about countries we are talking about a religion.

[ChumpDumper]

Who the hell said 20 to 30 million, and what are you talking about?

And, yes, btw; coersion WORKS.

What kind of powerbase do the Nazi's have in Germany? Not what it was in 1940, huh?

How about militant Shintoism in Japan?

I don't want to crusade on anybody's ass, but to suggest that war has not historically changed the behavior of various groups throughout the ages is ignorant.Properly executed occupations can certainly bring about such changes. Hasn't happened in Iraq.

[ChumpDumper]

If only.Aw, now the neocons want me dead. Typical.

They probably want to stone me.

[smeagol]

Pay attention you senile old coot, and re-read my posts, please.

Apology accepted.

:lol

When I saw your name in that list I went, "It's silly old Ray"

[Oh, Gee!!]

Sorry, Islamic fundamentalists were slaughtering people in Sudan, not Iraq.


he can be rudy g's foreign policy guru

[smeagol]

They probably want to stone me.

You deserve to be stoned given that you are for stoning women in Iraq.

[xrayzebra]

Pay attention you senile old coot, and re-read my posts, please.

Apology accepted.

And you posted: C'mon Yoni.

You CAN'T win this argument. The other posters are right. Capital punishment here, capital punishment there. Neither society has a monopoly on "right" or "wrong".

We kill our murderer's.

They kill women who show some ankle.

We don't let 15 year old, or felons vote.

They don't let anybody vote.

We have some courthouses that display the 10 commandments.

They execute people who don't pray to Mecca on Friday.

Same damn thing!

Okay, if you were being sarcastic I apologize. If you were
being serious. I withdraw my apology. You tell me.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You deserve to be stoned given that you are for stoning women in Iraq.

i'm against unecessary wars so i think you should die because your for them..fantastic logic...

[ChumpDumper]

You deserve to be stoned given that you are for stoning women in Iraq. :lol

[smeagol]

If killing Christians would've been a way to change their minds, Christianity would've disappeared in the 2nd Century.

Yoni should know this.

[Oh, Gee!!]

stoned has more than one meaning

[smeagol]

:wtf
J/K dude.

Lighten up.

EDIT: you got the joke too late. :lol

[xrayzebra]

Nope.Women are still being stoned in Iraq. Even by non-muslims.

Which non-muslim group would that be?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Which non-muslim group would that be?


ray admit it you talking out your a$$ again.

[smeagol]

And you posted: C'mon Yoni.

You CAN'T win this argument. The other posters are right. Capital punishment here, capital punishment there. Neither society has a monopoly on "right" or "wrong".

We kill our murderer's.

They kill women who show some ankle.

We don't let 15 year old, or felons vote.

They don't let anybody vote.

We have some courthouses that display the 10 commandments.

They execute people who don't pray to Mecca on Friday.

Same damn thing!

Okay, if you were being sarcastic I apologize. If you were
being serious. I withdraw my apology. You tell me.

I can tell you he was being sarcastic.

Do you follow what the regular political posters write?

101A is not liberal.

[xrayzebra]

ray admit it you talking out your a$$ again.


Can you tell me? I would like to know.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Can you tell me? I would like to know.


well come to think of it I don't know either. for that matter i could be completely wrong..

[smeagol]

i'm against unecessary wars so i think you should die because your for them..fantastic logic...

You missed the joke.

Just to be clear, I'm against the war and I'm against getting stoned with stones.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I can tell you he was being sarcastic.

Do you follow what the regular political posters write?

101A is not liberal.


Ray doesn't do sarcasm.

[smeagol]

Which non-muslim group would that be?


One doesn't have to be "Islamofascist" to stone a woman to death. This April a 17 year old girl from a gnostic sect in northern Iraq was stoned to death by her people for going out with a sunni.

[ChumpDumper]

Which non-muslim group would that be?In the case I brought up, the Yezidi. There are a couple hundred thousand of them in Iraq, so we should be able to just kill them all.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You missed the joke.

Just to be clear, I'm against the war and I'm against getting stoned with stones.


I lose track sometimes of who are the good guys.. my apology. You anology was pretty funny..

[101A]

Properly executed occupations can certainly bring about such changes. Hasn't happened in Iraq.I agree occupation is a problem. We invaded Germany; wouldn't call it an occupation. We never occupied Japan - we just killed alot of them.

Radical Islamists wasn't the problem in Iraq (although it probably is now).

I think killing a WHOLE bunch of radical islamists, if we could figure out how to, would be an effective deterrent to them. Can't get 'em all in one place, at one time, however.

[101A]

I can tell you he was being sarcastic.

Do you follow what the regular political posters write?

101A is not liberal.
Thank you.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I think killing a WHOLE bunch of radical islamists, if we could figure out how to, would be an effective deterrent to them. Can't get 'em all in one place, at one time, however.

can't be too hard to find them, can it?

[PixelPusher]

One fucking 13th century backwards country at a time, please.
"...Bomb, Bomb, Bomb...Bomb, Bomb Iran..."[/MIRROR CHECK]

[ChumpDumper]

I agree occupation is a problem. We invaded Germany; wouldn't call it an occupation. We never occupied Japan - we just killed alot of them.Are you kidding me? We had twice as many troops in Japan after WWII than we ever had in Iraq and formally occupied it for six years. We still have troops in both countries.

Radical Islamists wasn't the problem in Iraq (although it probably is now).

I think killing a WHOLE bunch of radical islamists, if we could figure out how to, would be an effective deterrent to them. Can't get 'em all in one place, at one time, however.We had the main group of them in Afghanistan.

[101A]

can't be too hard to find them, can it?Separating them from people who have not vowed to destroy us is very difficult.

You might not have noticed; we don't fire-bomb cities randomly anymore; separating the wheat from the chaffe; that's what we're about, now. It's more humane, more defensible, but not as effective.

We bombed EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE in both Germany and Japan until each of those countries gave up, cried uncle, whatever you want to call it.

There is still certainly "collateral damage" now, but it is nothing like the carpet bombing massacres that took place in WWII; 50 MILLION + people died in that war!

With the more modern sensibilities (and I don't think they are a bad thing, btw) surgical warfare is what we are left with (although we fight an enemy without that sensibility - fortunately they don't have the means to do much about it).

[101A]

Are you kidding me? We had twice as many troops in Japan after WWII than we ever had in Iraq ...My bad, I should have been more clear; I was thinking in terms of when Shintoism "gave up"; which was when the Emperor (God) did. Before they stopped fighting, we didn't occupy.

The analogy doesn't hold, however, we can't get Mohammed to surrender, can we?



We had the main group of them in Afghanistan.
I think many of the Radicals were in Afghanistan; but it was far too easy for them to move over to friendly territory in Pakistan. Also, I think there are plenty in other countries and areas. Syria, Iran, Palestine, Great Britain....

[xrayzebra]

Separating them from people who have not vowed to destroy us is very difficult.

You might not have noticed; we don't fire-bomb cities randomly anymore; separating the wheat from the chaffe; that's what we're about, now. It's more humane, more defensible, but not as effective.

We bombed EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE in both Germany and Japan until each of those countries gave up, cried uncle, whatever you want to call it.

There is still certainly "collateral damage" now, but it is nothing like the carpet bombing massacres that took place in WWII; 50 MILLION + people died in that war!

With the more modern sensibilities (and I don't think they are a bad thing, btw) surgical warfare is what we are left with (although we fight an enemy without that sensibility - fortunately they don't have the means to do much about it).

Like you said. How do you tell the good guys from the
bad guys, or women or children for that matter, when
no one wears a uniform and all of the above have been
proven to be used to blow you up.

One other difference between WWII and now. If you
were captured during WWII out of uniform, on both sides,
it was presumed you were involved in espionage and
tried as such and executed with few questions ask.

[ChumpDumper]

My bad, I should have been more clear; I was thinking in terms of when Shintoism "gave up"; which was when the Emperor (God) did. Before they stopped fighting, we didn't occupy.But we occupied and fundamentally transformed their society with over 300,000 troops to make sure it happened.
I think many of the Radicals were in Afghanistan; but it was far too easy for them to move over to friendly territory in Pakistan.Yes, because we tried to outsource the job of eliminating the Arab radicals to folks who really didn't care that much about them.

[clambake]

Like you said. How do you tell the good guys from the
bad guys, or women or children for that matter, when
no one wears a uniform and all of the above have been
proven to be used to blow you up.

One other difference between WWII and now. If you
were captured during WWII out of uniform, on both sides,
it was presumed you were involved in espionage and
tried as such and executed with few questions ask.

that's a perfect example of how antiquated neocons have become.

[101A]

But we occupied and fundamentally transformed their society with over 300,000 troops to make sure it happened.Agreed; but what was germane to my original argument works; about whether you could make an ideology surrender - we could, but with different means than we are capable of utilizing now (at least I think that was the original point, I'm frankly confused; if we need to still debate, get me up to speed, and I'll run with it).


Yes, because we tried to outsource the job of eliminating the Arab radicals to folks who really didn't care that much about them.Yes.

[xrayzebra]

that's a perfect example of how antiquated neocons have become.

Your post makes absolutely no sense. antiquated. That
was a fact. And it is a fact, terrorist do not wear uniforms
and people in civilian clothes caught in their situation
are still considered involved in espionage under
international norms. Get real in your arguments.

[smeagol]

Has anybody thought a better solution than total anhiliation?

I haven't.

[clambake]

Your post makes absolutely no sense. antiquated. That
was a fact. And it is a fact, terrorist do not wear uniforms
and people in civilian clothes caught in their situation
are still considered involved in espionage under
international norms. Get real in your arguments.
that's the point ray. their theory of military action no longer exist in this theater. go to a movie house, the drive-in is dead.

[PixelPusher]

http://www.iansa.org/images/darfur1.jpg
Is there a Darfur Genocide Awareness Week? And if so, what would Yoni and the Iraquettes suggest we do about THAT? I'm guessing...


Exactly what we're doing.

...which is not a goddamn thing.

[101A]

http://www.iansa.org/images/darfur1.jpg
Is there a Darfur Genocide Awareness Week? And if so, what would Yoni and the Iraquettes suggest we do about THAT? I'm guessing...



...which is not a goddamn thing.I'd like to end that shit.

No oil there.

What a strange coincidence.

[Yonivore]

I'd be in favor of systematically assassinating the leaders and supporters of the Janjaweed until they stop their killling, destroying their command and control structures with Tomahawk missiles, etc...

Unfortunately, the left is opposed to black ops. They'd rather we send in our best and brightest into the middle of an intractable genocide where both sides are so desperate we'd have no ally.

[ChumpDumper]

Since when are Tomahawk missiles black ops?
They'd rather we send in our best and brightest into the middle of an intractable genocide where both sides are so desperate we'd have no ally.Add another few sides and you have Iraq.

[PixelPusher]

I'd be in favor of systematically assassinating the leaders and supporters of the Janjaweed until they stop their killling, destroying their command and control structures with Tomahawk missiles, etc...
Tomahawk missles? How very Clintonian of you.


Unfortunately, the left is opposed to black ops. They'd rather we send in our best and brightest into the middle of an intractable genocide where both sides are so desperate we'd have no ally.
If it is an intractable genocide, then offing a couple of chief-du-jours isn't going to stop it. But it's all academic anyway; our best and brightest are already booked in a desperate, intractable clusterfuck.

[ElNono]

Lets see, we have:
ElNono
PixelPusher
ChumpDumper
elpimpo4cc
101A
Oh, Gee!!
clambake
George Gervin's Afro

that a military man can depend on.
But, as an ex-military person, I don't think I will. I know
they will support me, but not my mission.

Don't you just feel the warmth of their love for the American
Solider. And the compassion for the women of the ME. I
know I do.

So... moving past the rhetoric, and personal attacks that distract us from the main topic of conversation... do you actually support the 'bad' soldiers that executed innocent people? Where do you stand on that? (and please, I could not care less what you think about me or anybody else in this forum, so you can save the personal attacks until you run out of intelligent things to say ...)

[ElNono]

I'd be in favor of systematically assassinating the leaders and supporters of the Janjaweed until they stop their killling, destroying their command and control structures with Tomahawk missiles, etc...

Unfortunately, the left is opposed to black ops. They'd rather we send in our best and brightest into the middle of an intractable genocide where both sides are so desperate we'd have no ally.

If you want to go for the head, we could start by trying to find Bin Laden, blackops or not. I mean, it's been 6 years and counting...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

So... moving past the rhetoric, and personal attacks that distract us from the main topic of conversation... do you actually support the 'bad' soldiers that executed innocent people? Where do you stand on that? (and please, I could not care less what you think about me or anybody else in this forum, so you can save the personal attacks until you run out of intelligent things to say ...)decades too late Nono, decades

[Yonivore]

If you want to go for the head, we could start by trying to find Bin Laden, blackops or not. I mean, it's been 6 years and counting...
Maybe we already have.

[PixelPusher]

Maybe we already have.
Well, we certainly wouldn't want to report or confirm that to the public, now would we?


I'd be in favor of systematically assassinating the leaders and supporters of (EDIT) Al Qaeda until they stop their killling, destroying their command and control structures with Tomahawk missiles, etc...


Yep...Saddam, Zarkawi...once OBL is added to that list it will stop islamic terrorism dead in it's tracks.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe we already have.So mission accomplished. He wasn't in Iraq?

[boutons_]

dubya and dickhead have taken the high road, keeping America's Beacon of Civilization shining brightly

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General claims Bush gave 'marching orders' on aggressive interrogation at Guantanamo

10/22/2007 @ 1:34 pm

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New book says US uses 'methods of the most tyrannical regimes'

More than 100,000 pages of newly released government documents demonstrate how US military interrogators "abused, tortured or killed" scores of prisoners rounded up since Sept. 11, 2001, including some who were not even suspected of having terrorist ties, according to a just-published book.

In Administration of Torture (http://www.aclu.org/about/staff/administrationoftorture.html), two American Civil Liberties Union attorneys detail the findings of a years-long investigation and court battle with the administration that resulted in the release of massive amounts of data on prisoner treatment and the deaths of US-held prisoners.

"[T]he documents show unambiguously that the administration has adopted some of the methods of the most tyrannical regimes," write Jameel Jaffer and Amrit Singh (http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/about/aot_excerpt.pdf). "Documents from Guantanamo describe prisoners shackled in excruciating 'stress positions,' held in freezing-cold cells, forcibly stripped, hooded, terrorized with military dogs, and deprived of human contact for months."

Most of the documents on which Administration of Torture is based were obtained as a result of ongoing legal fights over a Freedom of Information Act request filed in October 2003 by the ACLU and other human rights and anti-war groups, the ACLU said in a news release.

The documents show that prisoner abuse like that found at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq was hardly the isolated incident that the Bush administration or US military claimed it was. By the time the prisoner abuse story broke in mid-2004 (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/05/10/040510fa_fact?printable=true) the Army knew of at least 62 other allegations of abuse at different prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan, the authors report.

Drawing almost exclusively from the documents, the authors say there is a stark contrast between the public statements of President Bush and then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the policies those and others in the administration were advocating behind the scenes.

President Bush gave "marching orders" to Gen. Michael Dunlavey, who asked the Pentagon to approve harsher interrogation methods at Guantanamo, the general claims in documents reported in the book.

The ACLU also found that an Army investigator reported Rumsfeld was "personally involved" in overseeing the interrogation of a Guantanamo prisoner Mohammed al Qahtani. The prisoner was forced to parade naked in front of female interrogators wearing women's underwear on his head and was led around on a leash while being forced to perform dog tricks.

“It is imperative that senior officials who authorized, endorsed, or tolerated the abuse and torture of prisoners be held accountable," Jaffer and Singh write, "not only as a matter of elemental justice, but to ensure that the same crimes are not perpetrated again.”

[ElNono]

Maybe we already have.

If you want to be taken seriously, you could start by actually backing up what you say with some kind of information/report/news.

[Yonivore]

If you want to be taken seriously, you could start by actually backing up what you say with some kind of information/report/news.
Thanks.

[PixelPusher]

If you want to be taken seriously, you could start by actually backing up what you say with some kind of information/report/news.
Does plagiarizing wingnut blogs count?

[Yonivore]

MUSLIM GROUP Announces Support For Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week (http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2007/10/islamofascism-awareness-week-nonie.html)

Good for them!


As a part of "Islamofascism Awareness Week", Nonie Darwish spoke at U.C. Berkeley on October 22. As usual, Islamofascists and their Dhimmi supporters have shown their unwavering resolve to crush any type of dissent. One the members of the "Students for Justice in Palestine" claimed that the purpose of the "Islamofascism Awareness Week" is to reinvigorate anti-Muslim and anti-Arab campaign.

Given the fact that the speaker, Nonie Darwish, is both Muslim by birth and Arab it truly shows the depth of brainwashing on campus.