Mike Huckabee

[Brutalis]

Well, he didn't do any wonders for my state. Put a damn trolley car system in downtown Little Rock that crosses the Arkansas to North Little Rock, and a dollars tax went up 3 cents and it hasn't gone down either.
Arkansas itself has now said nay to a lotto, and or a casino that would also donate to the education system even. Hell, Bill even giggled at Arkansas being a tough state to govern and being the president was easier.

Huckabee did lose about 200lbs, and help develop the second largest race for a cure to breast cancer. Which I find funny when we have bigger issues than that but hey it was a good job. He is a motivated individual and intelligent. As far as being able to lead a country it's a tough call. It's not that he couldn't basically flip flop our economy or what we have now you can say, its is he convincing enough? And every time I see him talking, on the late show, cnn, whatever, it's like he upped his game or some crap. He was mostly a fat all talk politician and then somehow changed on the job to what he should have been all along.

So looking at the ballot thus far I have to put him at the top. Hillary is consistently acting like a pompous queen. Like some little dictator or a hunny do this and that show. Ol'bama is pretty much digging his own grave, and nobody else has a shot imho at this point.

I really think Huckabee is going to give a run for the money. He isn't a hick like where he's from like Clinton was, yet more straight forward than Hillary and Obama. I don't know if he can handle the pressure, but he seems to be the most real politician I have ever seen without being bias.

[Nbadan]

I think people are underestimating Huckabee...I mean, aside from his name being Huckabee, and well, him being from Arkansas...he is a candidate the religious right could get behind though....

[Brutalis]

Oh... every grandma and grandpa are falling behind him like terrorists in a hot bed. I'm pretty sure he has the first generation locked down..

[Nbadan]

.....plus, I've heard rumors that big money is waiting to see if the small fish will bite on Huckabee.....

[braeden0613]

nothing says fiscal conservative like...Tax Hike Mike!!

http://taxhikemike.org/

:smokin

[Ocotillo]

He is the guy I like most on the GOPer side.....

[JoeChalupa]

I actually like Huckabee but he simply does not have the war chest needed to win the nomination. But with a name like Huckabee...he's bound to be good.

[BradLohaus]

A Tale of Two Candidates

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12205

[exstatic]

If the Religious Reich like him, they'd better take up an extra collection on Sunday. Last count had him with about $650K in the coffers. He's doing OK in Iowa and NH, but he's barnstorming with personal appearances and tons of face time in the runup. When those two primaries are over, he won't be able to barnstorm the 30 primaries in the next 3 weeks, and will be drowned out by the big money candidates' TV spots.

[Brutalis]

A Tale of Two Candidates

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12205
Well Arkansans like me mostly know you have to start somewhere and if it was ethics then um, so what? Ethics in Arkansas? Um, spending what Bush is on the 'war' doesn't seem as screwed up to us.

As far as spending dough on good nights, that's backwash. Wanna pull that up on everyone else too to make it fair? That lovely home isn't half of what most other governors have. Besides wifey came from a rich family aside from the facts.

You know there's always going to be downers or whatever no matter who is running. But in the end he's less of a crook than what else I got to choose from my lovelies.

[Nbadan]

walker TX ranger, Ted Nugent and Now the nature boy, Ric Flair....Mike Huckabee could be one NASCAR driver endorsement away from being a front-runner!


COLUMBIA, South Carolina (CNN) – In the race for presidential endorsements, Mike Huckabee has the kitschy pop culture celebrity vote on lockdown.

First it was martial arts hero and "Walker, Texas Ranger" star Chuck Norris, who appears with Huckabee in his first TV ad.

Then hard-rocking hunting enthusiast Ted Nugent jumped on the Huckabee bandwagon, citing the Republican's support for second amendment rights.

Now, Huckabee is getting ready to rumble: wrestler Ric Flair, a.k.a. The Nature Boy, is supporting the former Arkansas governor in his bid for the White House.

CNN has confirmed the former WWF and WWE star wrestler is on board with Huckabee, and will co-host a campaign tailgate with the candidate at the South Carolina vs. Clemson football game on Saturday afternoon in Columbia, South Carolina. More details are forthcoming.

– CNN South Carolina Producer Peter Hamby

[Nbadan]

Just as we posted was likely to happen, Mike Huckabee is surging in Iowa, but as folksy as it all might seem for Christian Conservatives, Huckabee maybe a few apples short of a full basket....


Surging Mike Huckabee may talk about poverty and trade, but the wild-eyed Baptist goofball doesn't believe he is evolved from primates. Does that even worry Republican voters?

Huckabee, who in recent years has lost 100 pounds, has the roundish, half-deflated physique of an ex-fatty. With his button nose and never-waning smile, he looks slightly unreal, like an oversize Muppet. I was so taken aback by his appearance that I checked his hands to make sure they had the right number of fingers. After the Richards tale, he went on to tell me about the band he plays bass for, and how he has jammed with the likes of Percy Sledge and Grand Funk Railroad, and how he prefers John Entwistle to Flea's slap-and-pop style of bass-playing. Ten minutes later, driving away from the fund-raiser, I caught myself thinking: Hey, this guy doesn't seem like a total dickhead. I can almost see him as president. ...

Then I woke up and did some homework that changed my mind. But I confess: It took a little while. Huckabee is that good.

Ever since Huckabee turned in a dominating performance at a summit of Christian voters in Washington a few weeks ago, he has been riding a surge among likely Iowa voters (he's now second to Mitt Romney, and gaining). The media, like me, have been charmed by their initial impression: "It's hard not to like Mike Huckabee," gushed Newsweek. Even The Nation said he has "real charm."

But all the attention on his salesmanship skills obscures the real significance of his rise within the Republican Party. Mike Huckabee represents something that is either tremendously encouraging or deeply disturbing, depending on your point of view: a marriage of Christian fundamentalism with economic populism. Rather than employing the patented Bush-Rove tactic of using abortion and gay rights to hoodwink low-income Christians into supporting patrician, pro-corporate policies, Huckabee is a bigger-government Republican who emphasizes prison reform and poverty relief. In the world of GOP politics, he represents something entirely new -- a cross between John Edwards and Jerry Falwell, an ordained Southern Baptist preacher who actually seems to give a shit about the working poor.

Coupled with his apparent gift for wooing the star-fucking national media class, Huckabee's seizure of political territory long claimed by the corporate right is what makes him so dangerous. Because for all his political waffling in other areas -- Huckabee has flip-flopped on a host of earthly political issues, from taxes to local control of school boards -- he leaves absolutely no doubt about his commitment to religious wackohood.

Huckabee has also been accused of paying himself as a consultant to his own senatorial campaign, allowing special interests to pay for airline tickets for his daughter, receiving a canoe from a Coke bottler and -- hilariously, if you're wont to laugh at the sheer small-town gauche greediness of it all -- setting up a "wedding registry" at Target and Dillard's department stores so citizens could lavish the Huckabees with gifts as they renewed their marriage vows. The long list of desired goodies included twenty-four settings of Lenox "Holiday Nouveau" china, a KitchenAid mixer and a "Jack La Lanne power juicer." If you didn't want to pick out something yourself, the Huckabees were glad to take straight cash. "Message from the couple," the registry noted. "Target GiftCards are welcome."

Alertnet (http://alternet.org/columnists/story/68057)

[JoeChalupa]

I like Mike Huckabee and would like to see him beat Mitt Romney and Rudy for the nomination. I truly do like him.

[boutons_]

Huckabee is a creationist/new-earth nutter. I'm sure he'll do wondrous damage to federally supported research

dubya is already one new-earth asshole too many in the WH.

A charming, charismatic, forceful guy, apparently, but hick Huck still an anti-scientific, irrational religiously radical nutcase.

[JoeChalupa]

Huckabee is a creationist/new-earth nutter. I'm sure he'll do wondrous damage federally supported research

dubya is already one new-earth asshole too many in the WH.

A charming, charismatic, forceful guy, apparently, but still an anti-scientific, irrational religiously radical nutcase.

I don't see him that way at all. Now Hillary on the other hand is starting to get on my nerves with her pompous attitude towards the nomination and already thinking she has it in the bag. I think she's qualified for president but her response that she hasn't even given a thought about not winning the democratic nomination doesn't sit well with me. But that doesn't change the fact that I do think she is ready to be president.

Disliking a candidate for personal reasons is something I try to avoid.

[xrayzebra]

I don't see him that way at all. Now Hillary on the other hand is starting to get on my nerves with her pompous attitude towards the nomination and already thinking she has it in the bag. I think she's qualified for president but her response that she hasn't even given a thought about not winning the democratic nomination doesn't sit well with me. But that doesn't change the fact that I do think she is ready to be president.

Disliking a candidate for personal reasons is something I try to avoid.

Joe, what makes her ready to be president? Her
marriage to a president? Or managing his love life?

Huckabee, makes a lot of sense when I have heard him
speak. But I really don't know much about the man.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Disliking a candidate for personal reasons is something I try to avoid.


Well that excludes you from being a republican

[clambake]

ray, why are you so interested in others love lives? are you one of those dirty old men?

[George Gervin's Afro]

ray, why are you so interested in others love lives? are you one of those dirty old men?


as long as it has nothing to do with homos ... (not that there is anything wrong with that)..

[clambake]

as long as it has nothing to do with homos ... (not that there is anything wrong with that)..
ray is such a hypocrite. he brags about having sex in the middle east with women that are being held as sex slaves, refers to God in the constitution, and then judges others.

what a worn out, old, republican gas bag.

[boutons_]

"Disliking a candidate for personal reasons is something I try to avoid."

If religious nutcase politicians (or govt-employed person, esp including the military) would keep their militaristic, infantile, aggressive, Christian-supremacy bullshit out of the their public/govt lives and policies, then I wouldn't be against them, just like I wouldn't be against Hillary if she were a lesbian/bi-sexual.

But if she were to support policies proselytizing lesbianism in public schools, then her private life would have spilled over to her public policies and I would be vehemently against her.

The USA has an intentionally secular form of government that has and will suffer from being polluted and distorted by militant "Christian" supremecists.

Politicians, and all govt employees, are elected/employed to serve the will of the people, not to serve their own consciences. If they can't reconcile their public duties/jobs with their conscience/religion, then get the fuck out of govt.

[Walter Craparita]

I like Huckabee more than G-man from NY.

He has no chance of getting rid of the IRS and implementing the Fair Tax does he?

[Walter Craparita]

Plus He's Chuck Norris Approved... Can't beat that.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8

[xrayzebra]

Hey Clam and GGA, you promised you wouldn't tell. Now you
let the whole world know of our relationship......shame on you!

[braeden0613]

The false conservative--good article about the huckster

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501547_pf.html

[DarkReign]

Hey Clam and GGA, you promised you wouldn't tell. Now you
let the whole world know of our relationship......shame on you!

:lmao :lmao

[Nbadan]

Mike Huckabee’s Phone Call From God (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/29/huckabee-phone-call-with-god)

One of his first acts as governor was to block Medicaid from funding an abortion for a mentally retarded teen-ager who had been raped by her stepfather — an act in direct violation of federal law, which requires states to pay for abortions in cases of rape. “The state didn’t fund a single such abortion while Huckabee was governor,” says Dr. William Harrison of the Fayetteville Women’s Clinic. “Zero.”

[Wild Cobra]

Mike Huckabee’s Phone Call From God (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/29/huckabee-phone-call-with-god)

One of his first acts as governor was to block Medicaid from funding an abortion for a mentally retarded teen-ager who had been raped by her stepfather — an act in direct violation of federal law, which requires states to pay for abortions in cases of rape. “The state didn’t fund a single such abortion while Huckabee was governor,” says Dr. William Harrison of the Fayetteville Women’s Clinic. “Zero.”
I would place good odds that there is some truth left out of the story, like nearly all progressive publications do.

I'm not going to dig into this one, but we still do have some states rights don't we? Are you saying they are all gone?

[JoeChalupa]

Joe, what makes her ready to be president? Her
marriage to a president? Or managing his love life?

Huckabee, makes a lot of sense when I have heard him
speak. But I really don't know much about the man.

She's ready and no matter what I say it will not change your opinion of her. Like I said, some just don't like her period. And I can understand that.
She's been around the block more than a few times and even republicans respect her as a Senator and that is a fact.

I believe she visited over 80 countries as the First Lady and this does give her experience in meeting and dealing with international leaders. They know her. And she knows the art of politics and to me that is important when it comes to leading a government such as ours.
While I admit she may not have the hands on experience of other career politicians I have no doubts she'd be a strong leader.

[boutons_]

"we still do have some states rights don't we"

You mean like the Repugs taking the 2000 prez election out of FL and to the SC?

Cherry picking states rights, are you?

[JoeChalupa]

I see Huckabee continuing to climb in the polls.

[Extra Stout]

With Hillary, we're going to get a continuation of GWB's foreign policy, coupled with a domestic policy consisting of more power for the state under the guise of liberal social programs.

She's the corporate candidate.

[theroc5]

I see Huckabee continuing to climb in the polls.
ditto
HUCKABEES THE MAN

[JoeChalupa]

With Hillary, we're going to get a continuation of GWB's foreign policy, coupled with a domestic policy consisting of more power for the state under the guise of liberal social programs.

She's the corporate candidate.

Isn't that what republicans want?

[Nbadan]

With Hillary, we're going to get a continuation of GWB's foreign policy, coupled with a domestic policy consisting of more power for the state under the guise of liberal social programs.

She's the corporate candidate.


Oh, no doubt...Hitlary can't afford to be seen as soft on terra just because she is a woman....so forget withdrawing troops from Iraq anytime soon...but she may not be as gung-ho to get us into another cluster-fuck in Iran...

...a withdrawal of some troops is gonna happen one way or the other, we simply cannot sustain this troop level for much longer...but more than likely it happens well before the 08 election so that Republicans can take credit for the short-term success in Iraq...I say short-term because there are no guarantees that U.S. troops won't be 're-surged' into Iraq immediately after the 08 election...

[boutons_]

FLASHBACK: Huckabee Claimed Jesus ‘On The Cross’ Supported The Death Penalty

At Wednesday’s CNN/YouTube debate, a questioner asked former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee “what would Jesus do” on the death penalty. He replied:

You know, one of the toughest challenges that I ever faced as a governor was carrying out the death penalty. I did it more than any other governor ever had to do it in my state. As I look on this stage, I’m pretty sure that I’m the only person on this stage that’s ever had to actually do it. […]

Jesus was too smart to ever run for public office, Anderson. That’s what Jesus would do.

Huckabee dodged the question that time. But in 1997, Huckabee claimed that Jesus would have agreed with him on supporting the death penalty. Shortly before a triple execution in Arkansas in Jan. 1997, a caller called into Huckabee’s show on Arkansas Educational Television Network and asking how he squared his Christian teachings with his support for the death penalty. As the Arkansas Times reported on Jan. 22, 1997:

“Interestingly enough,” Huckabee allowed, “if there was ever an occasion for someone to have argued against the death penalty, I think Jesus could have done so on the cross and said, ‘This is an unjust punishment and I deserve clemency’.”

Jesus, though, did not ask for clemency. Therefore, according to Huckabee’s logic, Jesus must have been in favor of capital punishment.

Huckabee also believes God supports Republicans. As ThinkProgress reported yesterday, Huckabee interrupted his speech to the Republican Governors Association in 2004 to answer his cell phone. He proceeded to have a three-minute conversation with God about President Bush’s re-election:

We’re behind [Bush], yes, sir, we sure are. Yes, sir, we know you don’t take sides in the election. But, if you did, we kind of think you’d hang in there with us, Lord, we really do.

Matt Taibbi has more on Huckabee’s religious zealotry.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/01/huckabee-jesus/

===============

Hick Huck is religious fruitcake and extremist.

btw, God told me He would take care of Huck and all the other "religious" hustlers later for defiling and trivializing His name for personal gain. http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[Nbadan]

The latest Borowitz column has the Huckster running with Jesus....

Huckabee Chooses Jesus as Running Mate
Move to Shore Up Evangelical Base
by Andy Borowitz



In a bold move that could dramatically alter the playing field of the 2008 G.O.P. presidential race, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee today named Jesus Christ as his vice-presidential running mate.

Governor Huckabee has made an increasing number of comments about his relationship with Jesus in recent debates, but few Republican insiders expected him to announce that he was anointing Christ as his vice-presidential pick.

“This could be huge for Huckabee,” said Stenson Partridge, a veteran G.O.P. consultant. “Among Republican voters, Jesus Christ is even more popular than Ronald Reagan.”

The Reverend Pat Robertson, a supporter of former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani, said he was “blindsided” by the news of Huckabee’s decision: “I talked to Jesus last night and He didn’t mention anything about it.”....

[Jesus]

The latest Borowitz column has the Huckster running with Jesus....

Huckabee Chooses Jesus as Running Mate
Move to Shore Up Evangelical Base
by Andy Borowitz

I respectfully decline.

[spurster]

Maybe Huckabee has a translation that says to execute the prisoners.

[Extra Stout]

I don't understand Huckabee's exegesis. Do they crucify death row inmates in Arkansas?

[DarkReign]

I don't understand Huckabee's exegesis. Do they crucify death row inmates in Arkansas?

Screw the exegesis (had to look that one up), what about the logic?

Because Jesus didnt ask for clemency from captial punishment, he endorses capital punishment?

?!?!!?

huh?

(sorry if I misused your new word)

[Extra Stout]

Screw the exegesis (had to look that one up), what about the logic?

Because Jesus didnt ask for clemency from captial punishment, he endorses capital punishment?

?!?!!?

huh?

(sorry if I misused your new word)
I guess I was under the impression that Jesus died on the cross:
1) To offer propitiation for the sins of mankind
2) So that in dying he could defeat death

I wasn't aware it was a tacit endorsement of capital punishment.

When the early Christian martyrs were killed by the Romans, I guess they too were showing their support for capital punishment.

This Huckabee guy may be onto something.

[Wild Cobra]

OK, I feel I know the Bible pretty good, and I cannot think of incidents that the death penalty is reflected upon as appalling in the Bible. In fact, the Bible does say to follow the laws of man someplace, without excluding the death penalty. You can find passages that say "stoned to death" or the likes.

"Thou shalt not Kill"

Yea, yea... Heard it a gazillion times...

The word improperly translated to kill means murder! Not execute!

[spurster]

Wild Cobra has the same translation as Huckabee.

[Extra Stout]

OK, I feel I know the Bible pretty good, and I cannot think of incidents that the death penalty is reflected upon as appalling in the Bible. In fact, the Bible does say to follow the laws of man someplace, without excluding the death penalty. You can find passages that say "stoned to death" or the likes.

"Thou shalt not Kill"

Yea, yea... Heard it a gazillion times...

The word improperly translated to kill means murder! Not execute!

So I guess we could reinstitute stoning as a means of execution?

The Bible also seems pretty permissive on slavery.

Yay theonomy!

[NASCARdad]

God loves America!!!

[Nbadan]

Here is something scary - Ole Huckster is clueless to the new NIE report on Iran...


Huckabee: "“I don’t know where the intelligence is coming from that says that they suspended the program and how credible that is versus the news that they actually are expanding it,” said. “And then I’ve heard the last two weeks supposed reports that say that they are accelerating and could be having a reactor in a much shorter period of time than originally they thought.”

Huckster obviously watches only Faux News (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/04/huckabee-clueless-on-iran-nie/)

[Nbadan]

The Huckster also suffers from Willie Horton disease...

December 4, 2007 11:18 PM


Little Rock, Ark -- As governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee aggressively pushed for the early release of a convicted rapist despite being warned by numerous women that the convict had sexually assaulted them or their family members, and would likely strike again. The convict went on to rape and murder at least one other woman.

Confidential Arkansas state government records, including letters from these women, obtained by the Huffington Post and revealed publicly for the first time, directly contradict the version of events now being put forward by Huckabee.

While on the campaign trail, Huckabee has claimed that he supported the 1999 release of Wayne Dumond because, at the time, he had no good reason to believe that the man represented a further threat to the public. Thanks to Huckabee's intervention, conducted in concert with a right-wing tabloid campaign on Dumond's behalf, Dumond was let out of prison 25 years before his sentence would have ended.

...

In a letter that has never before been made public, one of Dumond's victims warned: "I feel that if he is released it is only a matter of time before he commits another crime and fear that he will not leave a witness to testify against him the next time." Before Dumond was granted parole at Huckabee's urging, records show that Huckabee's office received a copy of this letter from Arkansas' parole board.

Huffington (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/documents-expose-huckabee_n_75362.html)

In 1996, as a newly elected governor who had received strong support from the Christian right, Huckabee was under intense pressure from conservative activists to pardon Dumond or commute his sentence. The activists claimed that Dumond's initial imprisonment and various other travails were due to the fact that Ashley Stevens, the high school cheerleader he had raped, was a distant cousin of Bill Clinton, and the daughter of a major Clinton campaign contributor.

The case for Dumond's innocence was championed in Arkansas by Jay Cole, a Baptist minister and radio host who was a close friend of the Huckabee family. It also became a cause for New York Post columnist Steve Dunleavy, who repeatedly argued for Dumond's release, calling his conviction "a travesty of justice." On Sept. 21, 1999, Dunleavy wrote a column headlined "Clinton's Biggest Crime - Left Innocent Man In Jail For 14 Years":

"Dumond, now 52, was given conditional parole yesterday in Arkansas after having being sentenced to 50 years in jail for the rape of Clinton's cousin," Dunleavy wrote. "That rape never happened."

[Nbadan]

more garbage on Huckabee just keeps coming out...

Personally using Public Money


Mike Huckabee has a record of dipping into public funds and accepting improper gifts from supporters, something worrisome for a job like president where you control a trillion dollar budget. He was investigated 16 times and cited five times by the Arkansas Ethics Commission for violating ethics rules. Two of those citations were for cash that the governor or his wife accepted but did not report. Huckabee's gifts peaked at $112,000 in 1999, including $23,000 worth of clothing; over half of that was given by one businessman who Huckabee appointed to a state board.

At one point, Huckabee claimed that he personally owned $70,000 in Governor's Mansion furnishings donated by cotton grower Boe Adams, but was forced to disavow them after Adams said they were for the state, not the governor. After he moved out in December 2006 though, no one could find the furniture even after a state audit. Huckabee's wife insisted they must be there somewhere.

In 1999, his former administrator at the Goveror's Mansion sued him for abuse of state funds, claiming that Huckabee used state funds for upkeep of the mansion on panty hose, barbecue, a dog house, dry cleaning, boat fuel, and alterations to his clothes. Huckabee settled out of court, by agreeing that legal doubts existed over his use of the fund and that he wouldn't use it for these purposes in the future.

Huckabee also used state police airplanes as a personal transportation service for him and his family, flying scores of times each year, including trips to other states with early presidential primaries. He claimed this was legitimate for security reasons.

In 1994, when he was lieutenant governor of Arkansas, Huckabee formed a non-profit organization called Action America, which seemed to exist only to deliver money to him without donors having to report or limit their contributions the way they would a normal political contribution. In 2 and a half years, Action America paid Huckabee over $61,000 just for giving speeches at its events.

When he was getting ready to move out of the governor's mansion, bridal registries were set up at Dillards and Target for the governor and his wife, who had been married for more than 30 years. They registered for nearly $7,000 in housewares, as well as $1,000 gift cards.

State ethics laws prohibited the Huckabees from receiving gifts of more than $100 as a reward for doing his job. But there was an exception for wedding presents.

Maybe it's just an Arkansas tradition -- Bill and Hillary Clinton registered for house gifts when they left the White House. An investigation found that they received over $75,000 worth of gifts but did not violate any federal laws. - publicmoney Sources

Real Change (http://www.realchange.org/huckabee.htm#publicmoney)


A Quick and Petty Anger


Mike Huckabee has stood out in this election for his consistently positive, upbeat performancs on TV and in debates. Those who have know him longer know a different side -- a vindictive, thin skinned anger. Since the president is the one we look to in time of crisis, this is a serious concern.

One quick example; as he was leaving office, Huckabee directed that a bunch of money that the legislature allotted for other programs be shifted to pay for a new faculty position at the University of Arkansas Medical School, named for the doctor who helped him lose 110 pounds. Legislators questioned the legality of this move, and even the medical school president suggested it might be better to do this the right way, by asking the legislature to approve the change. (This all happened just days before a new legislative session opened.) Huckabee got mad and cancelled all of the spending.

And shortly before leaving office, Huckabee took all of the money in the governor's emergency fund and spent it destroying the hard drives of over 100 computers in the governor's office, to protect what he called "the privacy" of the contents. The new governor literally had to find and spend $335,000 just to replace the hard drives and computers destroyed. And he still had not a penny in the emergecy fund -- designed to pay for extra expenses during hurricanes, torados, etc. -- for the last six months of the fiscal year. fiscal year.

- Thin Skin Sources

[BradLohaus]

Huckabee just has so much baggage that keeps coming out; it's hard to see how he could overcome all of it even if he comes up big in Iowa.

Although a few friends of mine and people who go to my church like Huckabee because he plays the Jesus card. And I always say, "Um, judge a tree by its fruits, right? Remember the Pharisees praying in public, and all that implies?"

[Wild Cobra]

What I've heard about Huckabee is good for the most part, and I like what I hear him say. I too have heard several things about him that are unappealing. Problem is, so much BS floats around during election season, and I haven't determined if any of it is true yet.

Even though he may have some serious baggage, I would support him over any of the democrats running.

[JoeChalupa]

All candidates have some baggage and I feel Rudy's is going to spill out very soon.

[ChumpDumper]

Huckabee knew nothing about intel report on Iran

More than 24 hours after the White House released a major report on Iran's nuclear program, GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee told journalists that he wasn't aware of the intelligence community's new assessment that Tehran suspended its nuclear weapons program in 2003.

A reporter for The Politico had to tell the former Arkansas governor what was in the National Intelligence Estimate. Here's an excerpt from the transcript that the newspaper published on its website:

David Paul Kuhn: I don’t know to what extent you have been briefed or been able to take a look at the NIE report that came out yesterday ...
Huckabee: I’m sorry?
Kuhn: The NIE report, the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran. Have you been briefed or been able to take a look at it —
Huckabee: No.
Kuhn: Have you heard of the finding?
Huckabee: No.

Huckabee then shares his views on the Iranian program. "I’ve heard, the last two weeks, supposed reports that they are accelerating it and it could be having a reactor in a much shorter period of time than originally been thought," he says, according to Politico.

NBC's Carrie Dann reports for National Journal that "Huckabee's ignorance of the news of the day, which not only dominated the Democrats' debate here in town but also prompted a presidential press conference in response, came as Huckabee faced questioning about his foreign policy credentials."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/12/huckabee-knew-n.html

There is no way in hell I would ever vote for this idiot, and anyone who even thinks about voting for this idiot is an even bigger idiot.

[Extra Stout]

Huckabee could be a national weight loss spokesman.

[JoeChalupa]

At least he's honest.

[boutons_]

"Rudy's is going to spill out very soon."

You haven't been paying attention. RG's baggage was opened long ago and it stinks. He's a lying, corrupt scumbag, with New Yorkers in and out of his administration testifying about his sleaze daily, related to and not related to his very public adultery.

One lie he repeats is that 1 hour of Macho Repug Reagan got the hostages realeasd while 18 months of Wimp Dem Carter achieved nothing, when in fact the deal was done 2 months before Reagan won the election, under Carter. A Macho Man (transvestite) message fabricated without any facts.

[Mavtek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n87A7M15Lnk

[braeden0613]

Reasons why i wont vote for Mike Huckabee:

Supports and will continue TORTURE of detainees.
At 8:30, Colmes asked Huckabee if he, as President, would use torture to extract intelligence about an imminent terrorist attack on America. In the process, he made the point that John McCain says that accurate information cannot be extracted by torture. Huckabee countered that point by claiming, "we have received good solid information from individuals from doing things of the nature you're describing"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295883,00.html
http://progressivezone.blogspot.com/2007/09/governor-mike-huckabee-claims-knowledge.html

Says we should isolate AIDS patients
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids

Says he is for lower taxes, but INCREASED state spending 65.3 percent (1996-2004) and supported five tax increases. Taxes were raised twenty-one times for an increase of $883 million dollars. Arkansas' general debt shot up by almost $1 billion.
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/national/203850/
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmNjMmI1ODhjNGVlZWFmNTlmMGNiZTVjYTg1NTUzMTk=

Supports the War in Iraq, the troop surge and the continued operation of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp. (this is a automatic NO vote for me)
http://senate.ontheissues.org/Mike_Huckabee.htm

Opposes the medical use of marijuana, and said he would continue to RAID, ARREST, PROSECUTE, and IMPRISON patients who are using marijuana as a medicine.
http://granitestaters.com/candidates/mike_huckabee.html

Vowed to Sign a Nationwide SMOKING BAN in public places.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/08/huckabee-says-h.html

Wants to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/08/huckabee-says-h.html

Huckabee secured the release of a convicted rapist name Dumond who then raped and killed again. (supposedly his biggest scandal, but it seems like it's a bit overblown, I'll give you that much)
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419

Ordered the destruction of tapes and hard drives containing embarassing information. Early in Huckabee's term as governor, documents, e-mails and memos stored on hard drives just like the ones that were destroyed formed the basis of embarrassing stories about Huckabee, including a 1998 story in the Arkansas Times detailing how Huckabee and his family were using the $60,000-a-year Governor's Mansion fund as their personal piggy bank. (Sounds like something Bush would do..do we really need another secretive executive branch in power?)
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=29b3f942-6cd2-4e6f-984a-61dbfba5bf42

He opposes Campaign Finance Reform (low on my priority list, but still):
http://www.q-and-a.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1010&QueryText=Huckabee

Huckabee seems to love loot and has a dismissive attitude toward ethics, campaign finance rules and propriety in general:

In the 1992 contest, Huckabee used campaign funds to pay himself as his own media consultant. Other payments went to the family babysitter.

In his successful 1994 run for lieutenant governor, he set up a nonprofit curtain known as Action America so he could give speeches for money without having to disclose the names of his benefactors. He failed to report that campaign travel payments were for the use of his own personal plane.

After he became governor in 1996, he raked in tens of thousands of dollars in gifts, including gifts from people he later appointed to prestigious state commissions.

He converted a governor's mansion operating account into a personal expense account, claiming public money for a doghouse, dry-cleaning bills, panty hose and meals at Taco Bell. He tried to claim $70,000 in furnishings provided by a wealthy cotton grower for the private part of the residence as his own, until he learned ethics rules prevented it. When a disgruntled former employee disclosed memos revealing all this, the Huckabee camp shut her up by repeatedly suggesting she might be vulnerable to prosecution for theft because she'd shared documents generated by the state's highest official.

Inauguration funds were used to buy clothing for his wife. He once took control of the state Republican Party's campaign account -- then swore the account had been somebody else's responsibility when it ran afoul of federal election laws.

He sped final action on a bill to allow video poker at the state's racetracks, an act followed not long afterward by a $10,000 campaign contribution from the owner of the state's biggest race track,.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/

He also said tonight at the Univision debate that would be in favor or universal health care, but said "now is not the time"...he even talked about SICKO...are you kidding me??

[BradLohaus]

Damn, Huckabee and Rudy are shady characters for sure.

[BonnerDynasty]

Which politician isn't.

He still looks like a buddhist monk compared to Billary.

[Nbadan]

Which politician isn't....I googled for hours and this is the closest I could find....


http://garlinggauge.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/kucinich.jpg

[Nbadan]

...of course, he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting the Demo nomination....

[BradLohaus]

He still looks like a buddhist monk compared to Billary.

:lol That's true.


Which politician isn't.

I can only think of one...

[JoeChalupa]

"Rudy's is going to spill out very soon."

You haven't been paying attention. RG's baggage was opened long ago and it stinks. He's a lying, corrupt scumbag, with New Yorkers in and out of his administration testifying about his sleaze daily, related to and not related to his very public adultery.

One lie he repeats is that 1 hour of Macho Repug Reagan got the hostages realeasd while 18 months of Wimp Dem Carter achieved nothing, when in fact the deal was done 2 months before Reagan won the election, under Carter. A Macho Man (transvestite) message fabricated without any facts.

I've been paying attention but I feel there is still more to come out. And for Hillary too.

[Nbadan]

Meanwhile Huckabee gets the confederate-flag waiving, election-turning (for the other side), minuteman endorsement...

Huckabee Gets Minuteman Head's Backing
By MIKE GLOVER, AP
COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa —


The founder of the Minuteman Project, the anti-illegal immigrant group, endorsed Republican Mike Huckabee on Tuesday, while Huckabee dismissed a presidential rival's immigration criticism as the work of "the tattletale in the third grade."

At a news conference hastily arranged to cope with a crippling ice storm, Huckabee brought out Minuteman head Jim Gilchrist, whose private group patrols the Mexican border on its own to keep out illegal immigrants.

"For months now, I've been searching for a candidate to support for president of the United States," said Gilchrist. He said he settled on Huckabee as the candidate whose plans were most likely to halt "this illegal immigrant invasion problem."

Huckabee has soared in the polls recently, jumping into the lead in Iowa where caucuses in less than a month launch the presidential nominating season. Rival Romney, who has spent millions in the state and for months was the leader, began running a TV ad Tuesday assailing Huckabee on immigration.

"It's the first one of the season and we're honored to be in the middle of it," said Huckabee. "I think the people of Iowa, who have been through this so many times, will vote for somebody who has a plan for the future of America, not just somebody who is looking around and saying, like the tattletale in third grade, 'let me tell you what this guy is doing.'"<snip>

Linky (http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/politics/2007/12/11/Huckabee.Iowa/)

Iowa....shouldn't that be Idaho?

[xrayzebra]

Hey dan, Huck has a glass jaw, the dimms have already said it.
Believe it.......

[Nbadan]

If any women ventured into this non-self-absorbing forum, they would be outraged....


"In August of 1998, Huckabee was one of 131 signatories to a full page USA Today Ad which declared: "I affirm the statement on the family issued by the 1998 Southern Baptist Convention." What was in the family statement from the SBC? "A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ."

The ad wasn't just a blanket, "we support the SBC statement," but rather highlighted details. The ad Huckabee signed specifically said of the SBC family statement: "You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership."

==

I guess people just won't fall in line with someone who wants to isolate AIDS patients, thinks abortion is on par with the Holocaust, is unaware of blockbuster intel, and believes in faith-based parole of convicted rapists.

Alternet (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/70374/#more)

[jochhejaam]

At least he's honest.
I was beginning to believe that too Joe, until he blind-sided Mitt and pretended he didn't intend to do so.

I don't believe I'd vote for him, but to his credit, Obama seems to be running the cleanest campaign. Maybe Thompson too.

[jochhejaam]

Anyone up for a Thompson/Paul ticket?

[boutons_]

As the right-wingers say about the dickhead slurping up Americans' private communications, what does hick Huck have to hide in his sermons?

iow, if he has nothing to hide in his public sermons, then why is he hiding them? Wouldn't the "Christian" supremacists and radical fundamentalists to whom he is pandering to just suck up his sermons in total rapture?

====================

Leftwing magazine charges Huckabee refuses to open his archive of sermons

Source: David Corn and Jonathan Stein at the website of Mother Jones magazine (12-10-07)

Is Mike Huckabee the presidential candidate shunning Mike Huckabee the preacher? Before entering politics, he was a pastor at two Baptist churches. Now his campaign tells Mother Jones it won't make his sermons available to the media and the public.

Now that he has his moment in the political spotlight, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee does not want his days at the pulpit to be scrutinized.

As Huckabee has surged to the front of the Republican pack in Iowa, his religious views have drawn media and voter attention. After all, Huckabee, a former Baptist pastor, has been campaigning as a "Christian leader." But he has vacillated on how far to interject faith into politics. At an early debate, he indicated he does not believe in evolution, but at a more recent debate, when he was asked by Wolf Blitzer if the creation of the Earth occurred six thousand years ago and only took six days, as stated in the Old Testament, Huckabee said, "I don't know. I wasn't there."

( http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif and Huck can't read, either? Read the Bible, Huck, every word is scientifically accurate )

During a question-and-answer session with students at fundamentalist Liberty University last month, he asserted that his rise in the polls has an explanation that is "beyond human" and is due to the power of his supporters' prayers. Afterward, he backtracked slightly, adding, "I'm saying that when people pray, things happen.... I'm not saying that God wants me to be elected." (At a victory rally held after Huckabee won a 1993 special election for lieutenant governor, Huckabee told his supporters that he had only won because God had intervened, according to the Texarkana Gazette.)

Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007

============

God told me, Oh My God!, that He doesn't like people throwing His Name around willy-nilly. He even has sin for it, "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain", not that God's laws apply the Pharisaical "Christians" anymore the the Constitution applies to dubya and dickhead.

[violentkitten]

the last thing we need is another governor of a small southern state which holds itself when it manages to best mississippi or louisiana for a 49th in the nation ranking in hygiene or whatever.

[Extra Stout]

Has anybody noticed that Huckabee kind of makes George W. Bush look like Plato or Cicero?

[Extra Stout]

Seriously, people? Isn't Mike Huckabee basically a cross between Gomer Pyle and Steve Carill's character on The Office?

[Nbadan]

Looks like the Huckster has good-hair disease.... Huckabee took thousands in gifts


A $1,000 pair of cufflinks from a supporter, tens of thousands of dollars of clothing from a wealthy Little Rock businessman and thousands in gift certificates and cash from staff and appointees were among the lavish gifts given to Republican presidential candidate and unexpected frontrunner Mike Huckabee while he was governor of Arkansas.

The gifts fell within Arkansas's ethics rules but have raised questions among the governor's political opponents and ethics analysts at a time when scrutiny of the candidate is intensifying, and are at odds with the humble persona Huckabee has adopted on the campaign trail.

(snip)

Huckabee's chief source of largesse was Jennings Osborne, a Little Rock businessman who made his money in the medical testing business. In 1996, Huckabee's first year as governor, Osborne bought furniture for the governor's office and a fountain pen for the governor's use, and regularly sent flower arrangements. In subsequent years Osborne bought Huckabee gift certificates to department stores and clothing boutiques, 200 copies of a book Huckabee wrote, ties, flowers and air travel.

(snip)

A former top Huckabee staffer said the governor saw nothing wrong with Osborne's gifts. "It was because of his background as a preacher," said the staffer, who asked to remain anonymous. "They typically get gifts. In his own mind he was righteous, so the appearance didn't matter." Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister.

Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/mikehuckabee/story/0,,2227378,00.html)

[Nbadan]

Meanwhile, the wing-nut establishment has spoken...it seems like Huckster is the 'chosen' Republican candidate since 9iu11iani has come up unelectable because of 'indiscretions'.....


WASHINGTON (CNN) — A veteran Republican strategist considered by many the architect of Ronald Reagan's 1984 landslide election victory is set to take the helm of Mike Huckabee's surging presidential bid, CNN has learned.

Ed Rollins — the longtime GOP strategist who worked in the Reagan White House, ran former Sen. Jack Kemp's 1988 White House run, and played a key role in Ross Perot's 1992 presidential bid — will be formally named Huckabee's national campaign chairman later Friday at an event in New Hampshire.

Rollins told CNN's John King that over the last several months he has become "more and more impressed by the day" with Huckabee.

"I had given up the profession and felt this was probably my last campaign and I wanted to help," Rollins said. "Mike is someone with great communications skills and a very approachable message and that is why you see his support growing not just in Iowa but across the country."

-snip

"The struggle now is to take it beyond Iowa and go nationally, and what you have is a growing candidacy, and I think I can help."

Rollins also said his job will include building a broader campaign structure and recruiting more seasoned advisors with experience in running a national presidential campaign.

Link (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/14/veteran-gop-strategist-signs-on-with-huckabee)

[Wild Cobra]

Meanwhile, the wing-nut establishment has spoken...it seems like Huckster is the 'chosen' Republican candidate since 9iu11iani has come up unelectable because of 'indiscretions'.....

What is it with you 'demonizing demonrats'?

Why does a republican have to be squeaky clean, but a demonrat can have any and all indiscretions, and still be electable?

[BonnerDynasty]

Why does a republican have to be squeaky clean, but a demonrat can have any and all indiscretions, and still be electable?


Also,

Huckster is making me nervous. I initially liked him because he was owning these fools during the debates, but it seems like more questionable shit comes out every day on this guy. The Pardons? wtf.

And then tonight I noticed (didn't get a chance to watch it) that Huck was on O'Reily with Chuck Norris? Huck are you serious man? It was funny at first, but he is killing the freaking Chuck Norris endorsement.

[BradLohaus]

Seriously, people? Isn't Mike Huckabee basically a cross between Gomer Pyle and Steve Carill's character on The Office?

:lol He sure is.

[boutons_]

I read that the Repugs are now polling for Huck because they really haven't been excited by RG and Willard who sort of created their own momentum in spite of their obvious faults as seen by the "religious" dolts.

iow, the Repugs and red-staters, and esp the "Christian" supremacist and fucktards who apply a "religious test" as their primary criterion for office (dubya passed that test and led the fucktards and country straight to hell but, "he's a "Christian" ") are getting behind Huck by default, there's nobody else, to escape the faults of RG and Willard.

[jochhejaam]

iow, the Repugs and red-staters, and esp the "Christian" supremacist and tards who apply a "religious test" as their primary criterion for office.
Nope, there's no test being given, but there is still a significant part of the population in America who have a conscience. That being the case, when a candidate for the Presidency declares that he couldn't care less that an American is destroyed in its mothers' womb at the rate of 5,000 every 36 hours, they stand to lose the vote of the morally consciencious.
For those that claim they are personally against abortion, but support the woman's right to destroy a living human being <hypocrites> )are all lumped together, regardless of how emphatically they deny it.

Ironically, a large majority of these same people who hold absolutely no regard for the mass slaughter of the unborn, holler at the top of their collective lungs about how disturbed they are over the roughly 5,000 honorable American soldiers that have been killed since the beginning of the Afghanistan/Iraq Conflicts <hypocrites>.
By default, this indifferce to our society's propensity for disposing of the unborn, as thoughtlessly as they dispose of a bag of garbage, aligns you dead center with the pro-abortion cretins.

Herein lies the Great Paradox; It matters not to them that, without cessation, 5,000 Americans are destroyed every 36 hours in the womb, but it matters greatly to them that over a period of 6 years the same number of honorable American soldiers are killed..., PUHLEEEZ!!

I absolutely care more about the moral decay in the U.S. than the position a candidate has on less important issues, such as, the GW hype, illegal immigration, offshore drilling for fuels, taxation, etc.
There may still be a majority of Americans who are sensitive to all issues, but put greater weight on a candidate's (of either Party) position on moral issues.

I am among those that still have a conscience.

[Extra Stout]

So joch, you're on board with Huckabee, even though his grasp of the issues is less than that of half the posters in this forum?

Things Mike Huckabee does not know about:
1) The Communist revolution in Cuba
2) The Cuban Missile Crisis
3) The Islamic revolution in Iran
4) The contents and release date of the NIE on Iran
5) The name of the federal immigration service (Immigration and Customs Enforcement)
6) How AIDS is transmitted
7) The operation of the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay

Generally, I prefer that presidential candidates know more about public affairs and current events than I do.

[jochhejaam]

So joch, you're on board with Huckabee, even though his grasp of the issues is less than that of half the posters in this forum?

Things Mike Huckabee does not know about:
1) The Communist revolution in Cuba
2) The Cuban Missile Crisis
3) The Islamic revolution in Iran
4) The contents and release date of the NIE on Iran
5) The name of the federal immigration service (Immigration and Customs Enforcement)
6) How AIDS is transmitted
7) The operation of the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay

Generally, I prefer that presidential candidates know more about public affairs and current events than I do.
Honest question or sarcasm Stout? If it's the latter, and is believe it was, the answer to your sarcasm was implied in an earlier post of mine (it would have been no).
You went way out of your way to attack a point that wasn't even remotely implied. Well done (sarcasm volley returned)

Any non-sarcastic thoughts about the "great paradox"?

[Extra Stout]

Honest question or sarcasm Stout?
Misunderstanding.


Any non-sarcastic thoughts about the "great paradox"?
The solution to the riddle is that the other side does not regard the aborted fetus as a human being, since their position is not rooted in Biblical principles, but rather moral relativism.

[jochhejaam]

Misunderstanding.

Okay, strike everything I wrote about sarcasm



The solution to the riddle is that the other side does not regard the aborted fetus as a human being, since their position is not rooted in Biblical principles, but rather moral relativism.
Thanks for your thoughts.

[Nbadan]

The solution to the riddle is that the other side does not regard the aborted fetus as a human being, since their position is not rooted in Biblical principles, but rather moral relativism.

.....so the old testament was moral?

[Nbadan]

...the bible itself is rooted in moral relativism....

[Extra Stout]

.....so the old testament was moral?
I'd explain, as I have to others in the forum, but to you... it's just tossing pearls before swine.

[Wild Cobra]

Also,

Huckster is making me nervous. I initially liked him because he was owning these fools during the debates, but it seems like more questionable shit comes out every day on this guy. The Pardons? wtf.

And then tonight I noticed (didn't get a chance to watch it) that Huck was on O'Reily with Chuck Norris? Huck are you serious man? It was funny at first, but he is killing the freaking Chuck Norris endorsement.
I agree. I don't remember where, but I posted something similar before. I like what I hear of him during the debates, but I have heard some pretty unsettling things about him. Now I don't know if they are just political hype, or true. I haven't researched any of them I only heard the pardon issue explained to my satisfaction.

Chuck Norris? I get a kick out of his shows, but I don’t know anything of his integrity to go by.

What are endorsements anyway? Most are just messages that play to the weak minded when they come from someone with an unknown reputation. What is Norris’ reputation? He’s an actor… What else do we know of him?

[Nbadan]

Merry Christmas!


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/ofrabjousday/hucxsmasweb.jpg
From the Huckabees!

[BradLohaus]

^I can't believe that the dog's not wearing a matching shirt.

[braeden0613]

What a great guy!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/16/huckabee-squashed-charges-against-his-son-for-stoning-hanging-dog/

Huckabee Squashed Charges Against His Son For Stoning, Hanging Dog
By: Logan Murphy on Sunday, December 16th, 2007 at 12:40 PM - PST

Lambert over at Corrente noticed this little tidbit that Mike Huckabee definitely doesn’t want to have brought up:

Here’s the barebones story of how 18-year-old Mike Huckabee’s son, David, and 17-year-old Clayton Frady killed a dog when they were Boy Scouts, and got fired for it. From the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in 1998 (as quoted in DogBlog):

[David Huckabee,] the younger son of Gov. Mike Huckabee and another teen were fired last month from jobs at a Boy Scout camp after the killing of a stray dog.[..]

So, how and why did David Huckabee (and Clayton Frady) kill the dog?

The original story isn’t clear in the lead (the admissions and the details come as you read down). Still from the Democrat Gazette:

The dog was killed [passive voice] July 11 at Camp Pioneer near Hatfield.[..]

I believe the following is the faxed description of the “particular process.” It’s on a reputable site, Utopia Animal Rescue, which is run by, of all people, Kinky Freidman:

(Miller County, Arkansas) Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee [sic], the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

Lambert notices that Michael Isikoff’s coverage of the story for Newsweek is particularly lacking in investigative curiosity on how David Huckabee killed the dog, which as you can see above, really does color the event.

Digby’s on top of this too. The Huckster’s son seems to be a real winner and his father tried to cover up his sick, twisted behavior — the same kind of behavior that landed former NFL star Michael Vick in prison.

[BradLohaus]

^Good Lord, Huckabee's son should be in prison.

[braeden0613]

^Good Lord, Huckabee's son should be in prison.
It just gets worse and worse for Huck each day. It's not like he did this himself, but this guy really has some serious skeletons in his closet.

[BradLohaus]

It just gets worse and worse for Huck each day. It's not like he did this himself, but this guy really has some serious skeletons in his closet.

No joke. Just when I think it can't get any worse you or somebody else finds something that takes it to another level. If this is in the Huckabee family tree then what else are they hiding? Although this is bad enough.

[BonnerDynasty]

I read that the Repugs are now polling for Huck because they really haven't been excited by RG and Willard who sort of created their own momentum in spite of their obvious faults as seen by the "religious" dolts.

iow, the Repugs and red-staters, and esp the "Christian" supremacist and fucktards who apply a "religious test" as their primary criterion for office (dubya passed that test and led the fucktards and country straight to hell but, "he's a "Christian" ") are getting behind Huck by default, there's nobody else, to escape the faults of RG and Willard.

How is that any worse than the dems relying on the Hate of Bush for their votes?

[BonnerDynasty]

Merry Christmas!


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/ofrabjousday/hucxsmasweb.jpg
From the Huckabees!

Do you have a recent picture? I'd be interested, not that I should even care, what they look like now.

Wow, just saw the dog article above. That's horrible.

[boutons_]

"dems relying on the Hate of Bush for their votes"

The anti-vote occurs in every election, as much, maybe even more that the pro-issues vote. But in fact, the US votes personalities and negative/hate/attack ads, rather than issues, as the political ads always show.

The extremely high and steady disapproval ratings for dubya are certainly a plus for the Dems, but the extremely negative facts and fiascos of dubya/dickhead era are totally self-inflicted.

If only Nader had dropped out in 2000 ...

[JoeChalupa]

I wouldn't count on the hate of bush votes simply because there are plenty of hate for Hillary votes as well.

[JoeChalupa]

So who all his scene Holiday Huckabee's new political ad? Very well done.

8xn7uSHtkuA

Tell me that "cross" in the background was coincidence.

Merry Christmas!!

[braeden0613]

I have to post Ron Paul's response to that commercial. :smokin

BrkltetQ0x4

[violentkitten]

mike huckabee is the new standard bearer for the gop's morphing from a party concerned about fiscal responsibility and limited government into some kind of southern evangelical movement.

[Ignignokt]

I have to post Ron Paul's response to that commercial. :smokin

BrkltetQ0x4


Ron Paul's response was immature, and sophmoric. There was no cross in that video, it was a bookshelf. The host already told Ron Paul that, and yet Ron Paul went ahead and implied that Mike Huckabee is a fascist.

Ron Paul is a douche.

[Ignignokt]

I could understand people get riled over someone saying " Submit to Christianity or Else" but even if a politician were to wear a cross and people still get butthurt, that's so pathetic.

If obama did an ad campaign with a black church choir singing hymns, and obama talking about how we should as an american society support welfare like jesus would, you same phonies would have kept your mouth shut.

I despise partisan phonies, especially Nbadan.

[Extra Stout]

My guess is that the Huckabee boomlet is just another round of Republicans trying in vain to find a single candidate they all can get behind. The same thing happened with Thompson, and now he is all but irrelevant.

If, however, Huckabee somehow got the nomination, he would be the Republican version of George McGovern or Walter Mondale in terms of electoral viability.

[Ignignokt]

My guess is that the Huckabee boomlet is just another round of Republicans trying in vain to find a single candidate they all can get behind. The same thing happened with Thompson, and now he is all but irrelevant.

If, however, Huckabee somehow got the nomination, he would be the Republican version of George McGovern or Walter Mondale in terms of electoral viability.


Why not bush.

[clambake]

Why not bush.
does your waterboy job end in 09?

[Ignignokt]

does your waterboy job end in 09?


With Obama or hillary inline to take the presidency, i can see why you're interested in such job vacany so early.

[Extra Stout]

Why not bush.
"Why not Bush" as in "Why don't the Republicans renominate Bush" or "Why not Bush" as in "Why couldn't Huckabee be as viable as Bush" ?

[Ignignokt]

"Why not Bush" as in "Why don't the Republicans renominate Bush" or "Why not Bush" as in "Why couldn't Huckabee be as viable as Bush" ?
option 2.

[Ignignokt]

jeb


Rawfl Rawfl. Sounds like an Evangelical Texas Aggricultural Republican Linebacker. Rawfl Rawf.

[Ignignokt]

more like florida a&m


Rawfl Rawfl.

Dumb Everglade Aggrots.

University of Florida Tim Tebow Orange bowl

Bukkake!!

Victoria, Florida.

[Extra Stout]

option 2.
Well, for one thing, compared to Mike Huckabee, George W. Bush is Thomas Jefferson.

Another thing, being a foreign policy idiot in 2008 is far less tenable than being one in 2000. And while Bush was mocked for not knowing the names of obscure foreign leaders, I'm thinking he still probably knew why the U.S. doesn't get along with Cuba or Iran.

[Hillary]

There isn't one damn bible thumping republican that can win against me and you all know it.

[braeden0613]

Ron Paul's response was immature, and sophmoric. There was no cross in that video, it was a bookshelf. The host already told Ron Paul that, and yet Ron Paul went ahead and implied that Mike Huckabee is a fascist.

Ron Paul is a douche.
I guess you didnt hear where he said he didnt know if this applied to Huck or not. And it was the host that started the whole cross talk nonsense. However, if you actually look at what Huckabee did in Arkansas and some of the comments he has made over the years, it sure looks like budding fascism to me.

[clambake]

Rawfl Rawfl.

Dumb Everglade Aggrots.

University of Florida Tim Tebow Orange bowl

Bukkake!!

Victoria, Florida.
why do you post under this stupid troll? tired of yourself?

[Ignignokt]

why do you post under this stupid troll? tired of yourself?


im still myself under this troll. Gtownspur is not a real person or name, it's just an alias. Unless you happen to be named clambake..... nm. I forgot i'm talking to an idiot.

[boutons_]

Here's a great article on how Huck is totally messing with the Repug mucky-mucks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/republicans-stunned-by-pe_b_77412.html


and another:

http://www.alternet.org/election08/71030/?page=entire

[jochhejaam]

Huckabee, Giuliani tied in 2008 Republican race
Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:12am EST



DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - Mike Huckabee has surged into a virtual tie with front-runner Rudy Giuliani in the national 2008 Republican presidential race two weeks before the first contest, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Huckabee, a former governor of Arkansas whose campaign has caught fire in recent weeks, wiped out an 18-point deficit in one month to pull within one point of Giuliani, 23 percent to 22 percent.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1952159120071219

That surge by Huckabee is more of an indictment on the weakness of the Guliani candidacy than it is on the strength of Huckabee's candidacy.

[xrayzebra]

Huckabee, Giuliani tied in 2008 Republican race
Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:12am EST



DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - Mike Huckabee has surged into a virtual tie with front-runner Rudy Giuliani in the national 2008 Republican presidential race two weeks before the first contest, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Huckabee, a former governor of Arkansas whose campaign has caught fire in recent weeks, wiped out an 18-point deficit in one month to pull within one point of Giuliani, 23 percent to 22 percent.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1952159120071219

That surge by Huckabee is more of an indictment on the weakness of the Guliani candidacy than it is on the strength of Huckabee's candidacy.


Well, I am no soothsayer but my guess is that
Huckabee will be running against Obama and
Huckabee will be the loser.

But it is still a long way to election time. But
Huckabee has a lot of baggage as well as Obama.

It may be one of those times, like when Clinton won
against The Viagra Kid. Voters didn't have much of
a choice so they stayed home in droves.
I am thinking that the same is going to happen again.
People are just fed up with politicians and all their
"I promise you a Rose garden".

I will vote Republican regardless of who wins the
nomination. But I still haven't made up my mind
on who would be the best candidate. I see no one
on the Democrate side I would vote for.

[clambake]

Well, I will vote Republican regardless of who wins the
nomination. But I still haven't made up my mind
on who would be the best candidate. I see no one
on the Democrate side I would vote for.

there's a fucking surprise. the fossil has chosen.

[clambake]

this thread will be amusing in about a month, when huckabees campaign is in the rearview mirror
I don't know, in this country, you can throw around a bunch of crosses and nail a shitload of people. Give them some more time to plant the fear of God.

[clambake]

the answer is in your statistics. They'll vote for whoever is left. And they will come out and vote. You have to know they recognize that there's a black man that could win.

[xrayzebra]

there's a fucking surprise. the fossil has chosen.

Chosen? Was there a doubt that I wouldn't vote
Republican?

At least I am honest. I don't come on with one of those
"I have an open mind" crap some of you put out on
these boards. Open mind my foot.

[clambake]

Chosen? Was there a doubt that I wouldn't vote
Republican?

At least I am honest. I don't come on with one of those
"I have an open mind" crap some of you put out on
these boards. Open mind my foot.
we know that, ray. you are a wasted vote. if hillary were republican you still couldn't help yourself. ron paul should be your candidate, but you're not a real republican afterall.

[JoeChalupa]

Chosen? Was there a doubt that I wouldn't vote
Republican?

At least I am honest. I don't come on with one of those
"I have an open mind" crap some of you put out on
these boards. Open mind my foot.

Do you vote straight republican ticket. I've never voted straight democrat ticket. It's only crap when it comes from someone full of crap.
I see your point.

[xrayzebra]

Do you vote straight republican ticket. I've never voted straight democrat ticket. It's only crap when it comes from someone full of crap.
I see your point.


I'm not sure what you mean in your post. No, I don't
vote a straight ticket. But when you look at the folks
running for President, how can you say anything but
I will vote for the Republican running. Both Hillary and
Obama and so far left if is pathetic.

I think you are saying I am full of crap, which is
your privileged, but I could care less about how you
feel about me.

[JoeChalupa]

I'm not sure what you mean in your post. No, I don't
vote a straight ticket. But when you look at the folks
running for President, how can you say anything but
I will vote for the Republican running. Both Hillary and
Obama and so far left if is pathetic.

I think you are saying I am full of crap, which is
your privileged, but I could care less about how you
feel about me.

Hillary and Obama are not far left but then you wouldnt' believe that if it hit you in the face. Oh, and I know you don't give a rat's ass how I feel about you just like I could care less about how you feel about me.

And when you look at the republicans they are so far too the right it is pathetic. Guiliani and McCain don't have a chance because they are NOT far too the right like you are.

[Wild Cobra]

I will vote Republican regardless of who wins the
nomination. But I still haven't made up my mind
on who would be the best candidate. I see no one
on the Democrate side I would vote for.
I agree. Even my last choice for republican is better than any of the demonrats.

[Wild Cobra]

hillary is actually middle left...
Middle left is to far left for us conservative.

[Extra Stout]

I agree. Even my last choice for republican is better than any of the demonrats.
Even the worst Republican will be better on judges than the best Democrat... at least I hope.

The potential troubles might be that a President Giuliani would steer toward the Consuelo Callahans of the world, or that a President Huckabee would steer towards the Roy Moores of the world, as opposed to the stacked lineup of excellent Federalist Society judges and their allies already on the federal bench.

The Republicans may not be likely to win in 2008, but they need to avoid nominating Giuliani or Huckabee, because not only would those nominees lose, they also would destroy the GOP coalition.

[boutons_]

RG is finished. The Repug elite will work to promote someone instead of Huckabee.

Edwards polls as most electable and to beat every Repug

[JoeChalupa]

i'm still thinking that mr. romney will end up getting the gop nomination

he's got donations, personal wealth, his campaign has been pretty steady..he seems right for a peak after huckabee bombs

I can see that happening.

Edwards won't get the nomination but he's pimping himself for the VP slot. He's good.

[BonnerDynasty]

RG is finished. The Repug elite will work to promote someone instead of Huckabee.

Edwards polls as most electable and to beat every Repug

That little shit doesn't have a chance.

Until Airforce One is fueled by rainbows and lollipops, he can keep his carbon footprint tax away from me.

[Nbadan]

Political suicide? Quite the opposite for the GOP White House hopeful -- so far. But many call the plan for a national levy 'crackpot' (even if it would shut down the IRS).

Mike Huckabee, one of the most conservative Republicans in the 2008 presidential race, has embraced one of the most radical ideas on the campaign trail: a plan to abolish all federal income and payroll taxes and replace them with a single 23% national sales tax.

The idea -- dubbed the "fair tax" by proponents -- has been a political asset for Huckabee; its well-organized backers have helped catapult him from the back of the presidential pack to its top tier.

Sales tax proponents have tapped into seething voter hostility toward the Internal Revenue Service to become a below-the-radar political force, popping up at campaign events and candidate forums in Iowa and elsewhere.

The efforts on Huckabee's behalf by sales tax advocates helped spur his surprise second-place showing in an August Iowa straw poll -- the breakthrough that marked the beginning of his rise in the state and nationwide.

LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/la-na-salestax24dec24,0,5286232.story?coll=la-home-center)

Eliminate the income tax, of which little is paid by low income people and those on welfare, and then hike their subsistence costs by 23%. It's comforting to know that Paris Hilton would pay an extra 23% for her next Mercedes, but to the person that is barely able to pay the rent and keep the family fed, a flat tax stinks. European countries have had Value Added Taxes for decades, in addition to their income taxes, and they have been like heroin--they are addicted to them, needing ever more to satiate their spending needs. They keep raising the levels of their VAT and never seem to get enough out of their citizenry, even though they tax them way more heavily than the U.S.. In Germany, they recently put the 19% VAT onto gas sold at the pump, whose price already contained over80% in taxes, which means Germans now pay a 19% tax on the fuel tax.

VAT is a clever idea, but extremely unwieldy in practice, and grossly weighed
to disadvantage those with low or no incomes. Then like heroin, the dosage keeps getting raised and raised and raised just to maintain a level of addiction, and the patient never gets cured. The lobbyists get into the act, getting politicians to reduce or eliminate the VAT on their clients' products, and you can guess how much of a lobby the lower income people have in any country...

[mrsmaalox]

This is way off topic, but I heard someone call him "Mike Motherfuckabee"! If he gets elected, that's what I'll call him just cuz it sounds funny! :lol

[boutons_]

"their subsistence costs by 23%."

One way to make a national value added tax less regressive is to give the low income people much higher deductions. paying less income tax.

[Extra Stout]

Huckabee's radical tax plan calls for lower-income families to receive a monthly "prebate" check to cover their sales taxes.


Mike Huckabee, one of the most conservative Republicans in the 2008 presidential race,:lmao

[Holt's Cat]

Middle left is to far left for us conservative.


There's really not that much difference between either Clinton or Obama and most of the GOP field. Especially when an acceptable conservative Republican position is the largest expansion of an entitlement program since the '60s.

Are there some differences on social policy? Sure, but they're fairly trivial. Mindnumbing blather about prayer in school, abortion, the death penalty, homosexual marriage, etc...doesn't really constitute much substance. About the only issue where there may be any difference is on the view of the US in the world circa 2008. But I don't see a President Clinton or Obama withdrawing from Iraq anytime soon.

All of these candidates suck up to the same business interests. Perhaps one party is a little easier to deal with, but those who think that a Democrat administration will be akin to the return of Stalin need to lay off the sauce.

[Holt's Cat]

Huckabee's radical tax plan calls for lower-income families to receive a monthly "prebate" check to cover their sales taxes.

:lmao

Does a fiscally conservative Republican politician even exist at the federal level today?

It's odd how conservatism has boiled down today to making sure lesbians can't marry, adopt, or have abortions.

[Extra Stout]

Does a fiscally conservative Republican politician even exist at the federal level today?

It's odd how conservatism has boiled down today to making sure lesbians can't marry, adopt, or have abortions.
Thompson and Romney at least give lip service to fiscal conservatism.

Huckabee and his supporters are the socially-conservative Southern wing of the pre-1968 Democratic Party, the wing which was wooed into the GOP starting with Nixon, and whose integration was made complete under Reagan. They never have been truly conservative in the fiscal or economic sense. With no strong unifying candidate to keep the coalition together, the various interest groups are splintering apart.

[Holt's Cat]

Social issues define our politics today. That's how we've ended up with working class Republicans and upper middle class Democrats nationwide as a norm, rather than exceptions due to familial connections dating back to the Civil War.

Looking back over the current administration and its predecessor, there were two broad attempts to change fiscal policy significantly: the Clinton health care plan and Bush's attempt to overhaul Social Security. Both failed despite their respective parties holding control of the Congress. Plus, other than the prospect of another handout with the Clinton proposal, fiscal policy hasn't been a significant issue for the electorate and that includes Bush's tax cuts.

Perhaps the credit market mess will have a large enough impact by next spring when a large number of ARMs reset to make fiscal and economic policy relevant again, but even then all it will take is some proposal to abolish the death penalty or prohibit gay dudes from marrying to push that to the back burner.

People don't vote their pocketbook today. They vote their faith, biases, tastes, and image.

[Holt's Cat]

Remember when the federal budget deficit actually mattered?

About the only way fiscal/economic policy will be a major issue today will be in the form of debate over illegal immigration, but the differences on that issue stem more from cultural biases than from anything else.

[Kori Ellis]

i'm still thinking that mr. romney will end up getting the gop nomination


I doubt it. Too many people will avoid voting for him because he's Mormon. Mormonism triggers thoughts of polygamy and cultism, and many people will vote against him just because of it.

[Holt's Cat]

I doubt it. Too many people will avoid voting for him because he's Mormon. Mormonism triggers thoughts of polygamy and cultism, and many people will vote against him just because of it.

Not just cultism, but a heresy. Not even Big Love can save him.

[Holt's Cat]

If Romney was Methodist he'd have the nomination almost locked up by now.

[JoeChalupa]

I doubt it. Too many people will avoid voting for him because he's Mormon. Mormonism triggers thoughts of polygamy and cultism, and many people will vote against him just because of it.

That is a shame. I don't care about his religion....it is his republicanism views that bother me.

[Kori Ellis]

If Romney was Methodist he'd have the nomination almost locked up by now.

I agree.

But right now, I don't have any idea who will win it.

[Holt's Cat]

Out of the GOP field, the one candidate who I think will end up being the least undesirable for the primary voters will be McCain. He's also probably the one who would attract the most support from independents in the general election.

[Kori Ellis]

Out of the GOP field, the one candidate who I think will end up being the least undesirable for the primary voters will be McCain. He's also probably the one who would attract the most support from independents in the general election.

A lot of people will think he's too old.

I think the GOP vote is going to very split because most of the candidates have a major "strike" against them - Romney (Mormon), McCain (old), Guiliani (immoral), etc.

[Holt's Cat]

Perhaps. I think age will prove to be the least undesirable characteristic.

Of course, Huckabee could tickle the fancy of the evangelicals.

[JoeChalupa]

If Romney was Methodist he'd have the nomination almost locked up by now.

Yeah, for what is is worth he does kick the rest of the repubican field's asses as far as I'm concerned. Except McCain.

[Wild Cobra]

"their subsistence costs by 23%."

One way to make a national value added tax less regressive is to give the low income people much higher deductions. paying less income tax.
It is not a VAT!

Will you guys please stop repeating propaganda.

Please read up on the "Fair Tax" before pretending to know anything about it. You guys just look like asses in doing that.

[dhandaulat33]

Hello friends, I am a British citizen and recently have got a job in Australia. I would like to read up on some of Australians taxation laws and in particular would like to know when a new taxation law is passed. Do you know where I could find this information? Are there any internet resources? Any helpful guidance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[AFBlue]

Perhaps. I think age will prove to be the least undesirable characteristic.

Of course, Huckabee could tickle the fancy of the evangelicals.

Hopefully Republican voters realize that a far-right Evangelical Christian has almost no shot of winning a general election.

Ditto for a war-mongering psycho like Guliani.

Mitt seems to be a classic Republican candidate, but I don't know if he has enough "spectacle" to give the Democratic candidate serious run in the general election. Though I suppose the Republicans could do worse (read above).

I think the guy that would give the most fits to the Democratic candidate in the general election would be McCain. I know he's "the old guy", but he seems to resonate with moderate voters on several issues while maintaining his conservative base.

Of particular interest are his stances on stem cell research, waterboarding as a torture technique, drilling in ANWAR, and civil unions for homosexuals (wouldn't oppose state decision).

Yep, this guy could be a real threat to the democratic party in a general election. As a moderate, I'd cast my vote for him....

Oh and on the "old" thing....

While he is 71, it's also important to remember the physical abuse he sustained while imprisoned at the Hanoi HIlton for almost 6 years and the bout with Cancer some time ago.

If I were him I'd say "try going through all that and see how old you look!"...not that he would.

[JoeChalupa]

I've always like McCain in all honesty I hope he wins the nomination. A McCain/Giuliani ticket would be one tough ticket to beat.

[AFBlue]

I've always like McCain in all honesty I hope he wins the nomination. A McCain/Giuliani ticket would be one tough ticket to beat.

I'm not sure how much Giuliani helps a ticket....

On the one hand he has a socially moderate-to-liberal stance that would be good to capture undecided moderate voters in the swing states....

But on the other hand, I wonder if his hardline stance on Iran, Gitmo (torture techniques), and surrendering civil liberties for the sake of national defense would cancel out any goodwill he establishes with moderate voters. Consequently, McCain is staunchly against such treatments and despite his military background is not necessarily a "war hawk", which is exactly how I'd classify Giuliani.

Bottom Line: I think he would get destroyed in this issue in the general election, whether he was the presidential or vice presidential candidate.

[JoeChalupa]

I'm not sure how much Giuliani helps a ticket....

On the one hand he has a socially moderate-to-liberal stance that would be good to capture undecided moderate voters in the swing states....

But on the other hand, I wonder if his hardline stance on Iran, Gitmo (torture techniques), and surrendering civil liberties for the sake of national defense would cancel out any goodwill he establishes with moderate voters. Consequently, McCain is staunchly against such treatments and despite his military background is not necessarily a "war hawk", which is exactly how I'd classify Giuliani.

Bottom Line: I think he would get destroyed in this issue in the general election, whether he was the presidential or vice presidential candidate.

Republicans, IMO, will look past Rudy's moderate-to-liberal stance on some issues to get the "tough leader" they like. I know many republicans who know Bush is far from perfect but they like his cowboy way of sticking to his guns even when he's wrong. I don't think Rudy is that way but that is what they look for in a candidate which really dooms Huckabee and Romney and I look for a McCain and Giuliani battle down the stretch. But I could be wrong.

[Holt's Cat]

Hillary v McCain & Giuliani

The 1990s versus Vietnam and 9/11.

Can't wait.

[AFBlue]

Republicans, IMO, will look past Rudy's moderate-to-liberal stance on some issues to get the "tough leader" they like. I know many republicans who know Bush is far from perfect but they like his cowboy way of sticking to his guns even when he's wrong. I don't think Rudy is that way but that is what they look for in a candidate which really dooms Huckabee and Romney and I look for a McCain and Giuliani battle down the stretch. But I could be wrong.

General elections are less about getting the dyed-in-the-wool Republicans and more for capturing those undecided moderates, or swing voters. He earns points with those swing voters on many social issues, but I fear his staunch fpolicy on combating terrorism both here and abroad might dissuade some voters that are encouraged by his more liberal domestic agenda.

That is why I hope McCain gets the nomination over Giuliani. McCain, like Giuliani, is popular with the swing voters with his more moderate social views, but I would argue he is less controversial on the issues where he is decidedly conservative.

Plus...he's not a yankee :)

[AFBlue]

Hillary v McCain & Giuliani

The 1990s versus Vietnam and 9/11.

Can't wait.

Personally, I think if McCain got the nomination he'd go for someone a bit off the map.

In fact, it's hard for me to see any of the Republicans picking from the current presidential nominee field for a vice presidential running mate because they have such different political views than one-another. I don't think any of them are too much alike.

[Holt's Cat]

How is it that out of a nation of 300 million-odd souls we end up with this from which we will select our next leader?

[JoeChalupa]

You are free to run for President as anyone else who meets the qualifications.

[AFBlue]

How is it that out of a nation of 300 million-odd souls we end up with this from which we will select our next leader?

Money and political experience tend to be two discriminating factors that discount a good 299,999,980 souls....

[Holt's Cat]

Surely there is someone else.

[JoeChalupa]

Surely there is someone else.

You can always write in your choice. For all the complaints I believe the system has served this country, for better or worse, quite well.

[Nbadan]

Huckster is clueless...


Forced to respond to the tragic assassination of former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee has spent the last 24 hours constantly fumbling and apologizing for his cluelessness and incompetence on a key foreign policy issue.

This morning on MSNBC, Huckabee said that Musharraf was unable to control Pakistan’s “eastern borders” with Afghanistan:

People who questioned my view of foreign policy probably need go back and read the speech that i delivered back in Washington in September. … We have seen what happens in the Musharraf government. He has told us he does not have enough control of those eastern borders near Afghanistan to be able go after the terrorists. But on the other hand, did he not want us going in so what do we do?

(end clip)

Do I smell toast? Naw, Huckleberry is such a nice guy! That's what got W elected, don't ya know. (sarcasm off)

Link (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/28/huckabee-pakistan)

[AFBlue]

Surely there is someone else.

Some of these guys aren't half bad.

Ask yourself this....

If you had to go Bush v. the Field, wouldn't you take the field?

If so, then at least it's considered an upgrade. At least it's considered progress.

[JoeChalupa]

He's doing okay but this did hurt him a bit I think.

[AFBlue]

Huckster is clueless...



Link (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/28/huckabee-pakistan)

Thank you for your continued support of "Huckabee: Crazy Ideological Christian, Bad Presidential Candidate...or both"

Keep up the good work.

[AFBlue]

He's doing okay but this did hurt him a bit I think.

It should scare the crap out of people. When Bush didn't know anything about foreign policy or was an "unknown" in this category during the 2000 race it wasn't as big of a deal.

Now, it's a HUGE deal.

I know the Iraq War and foreign policy in general has taken a back seat to domestic issues like Health Care in recent months, but it will eventually come back full circle.

We NEED a president with a known foreign policy that is versed in world affairs. It is an absolute MUST.

[JoeChalupa]

It should scare the crap out of people. When Bush didn't know anything about foreign policy or was an "unknown" in this category during the 2000 race it wasn't as big of a deal.

Now, it's a HUGE deal.

I know the Iraq War and foreign policy in general has taken a back seat to domestic issues like Health Care in recent months, but it will eventually come back full circle.

We NEED a president with a known foreign policy that is versed in world affairs. It is an absolute MUST.

Even a president with a known foreign policy doesn't make him or her ready for the job. Cheney is proof of that. Reagan had virtually no experience in foreign policy and did quite well.

[AFBlue]

Even a president with a known foreign policy doesn't make him or her ready for the job. Cheney is proof of that. Reagan had virtually no experience in foreign policy and did quite well.

Cheney's "warhawking" was well documented. Not that we could have predicted he would use his overwhelming influence against an impressionable leader to assert his agenda or that it would escalate to a full-scale war....

But we knew what Cheney was about.

And I realize that Reagan had no record or experience with foreign policy, but I personally would like to at least somewhat know where my candidate stands on current issues and general stance on foreign policy discussion.

I think it gives a better indication of how a person would react and leave less to chance.

[Extra Stout]

Thank you for your continued support of "Huckabee: Crazy Ideological Christian, Bad Presidential Candidate...or both"

Keep up the good work.
Huckabee has less foreign policy acumen than some 4-year-olds.

[Holt's Cat]

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/050503_050509/050505_HealthHuckabeeV2_hd.hlarge.jpg

Your 2008 Contenders.

[DarkReign]

Here ya go, Huckabee folks. What this guy wont do for support...


Wayne DuMond, who made News of the Weird in 1988, was briefly notable in December 2007 as part of the Republican presidential race. DuMond was an Arkansas rape suspect in 1984 (later convicted) when he said that vigilantes castrated him, and the evidence of that wound up in a jar on the desk of the sheriff of St. Francis County (a prop the sheriff used in law-enforcement speeches). DuMond sued the sheriff, from prison, for intentional infliction of emotional distress and in 1988 won $110,000. His name recently resurfaced because a subsequent Arkansas governor, Mike Huckabee, allegedly persuaded the parole board to release DuMond, supposedly under pressure from evangelical Christians skeptical of his guilt. However, after being paroled, DuMond killed a Missouri woman, was convicted again, and died in prison in 2005. [New York Times, 12-9-07]
http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/nw080113.html

[Wild Cobra]

Why do people focus on only one side pf a story? I am one who listens to both sids before forming an opinion, as all intelligent people should.

Huckabaee had good cause to believe he should be released. A few stories:

CLINTON'S BIGGEST CRIME (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38d06cee1158.htm)

WHERE'S THE PARDON FOR WAYNE DUMOND? (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a9389e82827.htm)

Don't get m wrong, the decision in hindsight was a bad one. However, there was evidence to believe Dumond was railroaded, because the victim was related to president Clinton.

There are more facts too. How does one really know the truth, until it's too late?

[DarkReign]

There are more facts too. How does one really know the truth, until it's too late?

Simple. Dont pardon someone for political purposes.

[JoeChalupa]

Pardon me?

[Wild Cobra]

Simple. Dont pardon someone for political purposes.
There's no way to say it was done for that reason with any validity. However, our nation recognizes innocent until proven guilty. Did you read the part about the DNA test saying it couldn't have been Dumond?

[Holt's Cat]

I wouldn't be surprised if the RNC starts funneling $ to Hillary's campaign.