Sonics vs Suns

[angel_luv]

Down with the whiners!

[sa_kid20]

Hopefully P.J. can get that first win tonight :toast

[picnroll]

Early returns, Suns defense looks even wose than in years past.

[angel_luv]

So defense is no one's priority :lol

haha- picnroll beat me to the observation.

[dirk4mvp]

Durant is gonna go off tonight.

[T-Pain]

Hookem Kevin!!!

[Walter Craparita]

Durant looks like a natural out there.

lol @ all these nice dunks the Supes are getting on the Suns.

[NBA Junkie]

Early returns, Suns defense looks even wose than in years past.

Agreed.

Which means the Suns will still come up empty-handed in their quest for a title.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Collison just owned Marion.

[sa_kid20]

Nash already has 4 TO's

[StylisticS]

Collison just owned Marion.

And that's just being to nice. Collison made it look easy.
and yes, the Phoenix defense does not look good at all.

[some_user86]

Sonics are my 2nd favorite team right now. They've got Presti and Carelismo, and they took Durant away from Texas (so he didn't play A&M for more than one year; I know he would have killed us if he developed more while in college). :D Oh, and the whiners & thugs from 2005 are gone. Go Sonics!

[picnroll]

Early returns. Suns aren't a real contender.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm baffled by two statements that Doug Collins just made. At the last timeout, in talking about the Suns, he characterized them as "talented," which I don't dispute, and "deep." A few moments later, when Amare picked up his 3rd foul, he immediately said that the Suns weren't that deep on the frontline. It would seem to me that if you are a "deep" team, you have backcourt and frontcourt depth. If the Suns don't have good frontcourt depth -- I'm fairly certain that they don't -- I have no idea how they can be considered a deep team.

To that end, one thing that has killed the Suns the last couple of years has been a lack of depth -- or at least D'Antoni's refusal to use whatever depth he has (see Game 5 of 2007 WCSF). They added Grant Hill, Brian Skinner, and two rookies, while subtracting Kurt Thomas, so I wonder where this great depth is.

[some_user86]

Early returns. Suns aren't a real contender.

I think Suns are notoriously slow starters. Didn't they start 1-5 last year and something bad like that the two years before?

[mavs>spurs2]

I'm baffled by two statements that Doug Collins just made. At the last timeout, in talking about the Suns, he characterized them as "talented," which I don't dispute, and "deep." A few moments later, when Amare picked up his 3rd foul, he immediately said that the Suns weren't that deep on the frontline. It would seem to me that if you are a "deep" team, you have backcourt and frontcourt depth. If the Suns don't have good frontcourt depth -- I'm fairly certain that they don't -- I have no idea how they can be considered a deep team.

To that end, one thing that has killed the Suns the last couple of years has been a lack of depth -- or at least D'Antoni's refusal to use whatever depth he has (see Game 5 of 2007 WCSF). They added Grant Hill, Brian Skinner, and two rookies, while subtracting Kurt Thomas, so I wonder where this great depth is.

:lol Nice catch. Just further proof that Doug Collins is a dumbass.

[dirk4mvp]

I guess cause Pippen and Jordan won their 1st title after 4 years of playing together means that the Suns will do the same. :rolleyes

I hate it so much how it seems like all of America wants the suns to win the title.

[Pistons < Spurs]

That was a pretty sweet move by Durant...even if he didn't score.

And I really like Wilcox. He's on the verge of becoming a serious player in this L.

[picnroll]

I think Suns are notoriously slow starters. Didn't they start 1-5 last year and something bad like that the two years before?
They have no defense and they have poor rebounding. Name the last NBA champion that couldn't rebound or defend?

[dirk4mvp]

Durant sure ain't afraid to put a shot up :lol

[T Park]

One thing Mavs and spurs fans can unite on.

hatred of the Suns jockeying :)


I also hate the

"My heart says suns but my head says...."

WTF, your heart? WTF is with the HEART thing.

[yeahone]

low post players gonna love playing the suns they got no post defender...their defense looks terrible...and this is supposed to be their year timmy gonna average 35 and 15 against them..lol

[SpursFanFirst]

Sonics are really hanging in there! I'm surprised given that this is the 2nd of a b-2-b. I know they're a young team and all, but I still expected them to struggle.
Good for them!

[Walter Craparita]

I guess cause Pippen and Jordan won their 1st title after 4 years of playing together means that the Suns will do the same. :rolleyes

I hate it so much how it seems like all of America wants the suns to win the title.

If we don't get a fair shake this year b/c of everyone thinking PHX deserves to get past us, you guys better fucking finish the job. Please haha

[dirk4mvp]

Oh DAMN!

[yeahone]

wilkinsssssssssss

[SpursFanFirst]

I just scream out LOUD with that halfcourt shot...AWESOME!!!

[sa_kid20]

What a shot by Wilkins!

[T Park]

Wilcox puts up 15 in the first half.

WTF do they think is gonna happen when Duncan plays em?

Hes gonna go off for 50...

[ducks]

00.2 SEA - D. Wilkins made a 41-foot three-pointer from near midcourt

[Pistons < Spurs]

Seattle (Oklahoma) has a chance of being alot better THIS year than many people expected.

[FromWayDowntown]

Really nice first half for the Sonics as they embark on whatever last-ditch effort there might be to keep the team in Seattle; it does seem that the fans want that more than Sonics' ownership. But I'd think that if they can play an exciting brand of basketball and bring folks out to see them play, they might figure out some way to keep the NBA working in Seattle.

[ducks]

sonics will replace gs this year as the suprise team

durant>>>>>>>>>>oden

[yeahone]

go sonics go lol

[Hemotivo]

I just scream out LOUD with that halfcourt shot...AWESOME!!!
:clap :downspin:

[T Park]

The Sonics should stay in Seattle.

Work with em Seattle come on.

I can remember how deadly and tough the middle late 90s Sonics were.

I also remember them as teh first to use alot of sound effects during play.

[Xylus]

Suns defense looks bad right now. Even our better defenders, Bell and Marion, look slow.

But it's the first fucking half of the first fucking game of the season. Anyone who makes a judgment based off of these first 24 minutes is ejaculating prematurely. The Suns started off 1-5 last season with nearly the same squad.

You guys are hilarious. :lol You want so badly to hate on the Suns, as if it makes some kind of difference.

[T Park]

xylus

who other than Bell and Marion is gonna play defense?

What coach on the team preaches defense?

QUESTION

[anjlbitz]

WOO! Go SONICS! I'm liking this team. Durant looks pretty good

Good job PJ and Sam!

[T Park]

Yeah Spurs west!!! :lol

[yeahone]

suns gonna score 110 points a game this year but they would allow 109

[yeahone]

who is gonna guard duncan...marion or stoudamire?

[Xylus]

The Suns were a top-10 defense in the league last year, based off of all the stats I saw (defensive efficiency, opponents' FG%, point differential). They weren't a top-tier team like San Antonio, but their defense wasn't terrible like some people claim.

They have trouble against teams like San Antonio and Utah, not because their defense is horrible--they have trouble because none of the players in their rotation are big enough to defend a Tim Duncan or a Carlos Boozer. Physically, Duncan and Boozer are too much for Amare to handle alone.

As the season progresses, their defense will improve.

[Xylus]

who is gonna guard duncan...marion or stoudamire?
Hopefully Skinner, if D'Antoni gives him the minutes he deserves.

[T Park]

Hopefully Skinner, if D'Antoni gives him the minutes he deserves.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

thats the laughter of Tim Duncan you can hear already.


You guys had a fantastic shot at beating the Spurs, if you had signed Hill and KEPT Thomas.

If you guys had kept Kurt Thomas, I would've picked the Suns to go to the Finals and win it all.

BUt htey done fucked up and got rid of their 2nd best defensive player.

Skinner <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Thomas

[Purple & Gold]

Sonics look pretty good out there. And Suns look same as usual. Still no defense.

[T Park]

Whys Marion not starting, and Marcus banks is out there???

[T Park]

nevermind, thats the stupidass ESPN Gamecast screwing up..

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Kevin Durant will score 40 tonight.

[some_user86]

Wow, I didn't think the Sonics would look this good.

I feel bad for Stoudemire. He seems so alone on the inside, and the Sonics defense is doing a number on the Suns' frontcourt.

I don't know if it's the Sonics overall defense or sloppy Suns offense that's working the magic here. But the Baby Sonics do have a little hastiness in their offense that I am sure P.J. will work out.

[T Park]

Man that Delonte West is one strange lookin dude.

[slayermin]

Hubie Brown said last night on ESPN that he thought Wilcox could be a 20-10 guy.

[Pistons < Spurs]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

thats the laughter of Tim Duncan you can hear already.


You guys had a fantastic shot at beating the Spurs, if you had signed Hill and KEPT Thomas.

If you guys had kept Kurt Thomas, I would've picked the Suns to go to the Finals and win it all.

BUt htey done fucked up and got rid of their 2nd best defensive player.

Skinner <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Thomas



I think alot of Spur fans completely over rate K Thomas.

[some_user86]

I think alot of Spur fans completely over rate K Thomas.

Well, he didn't stop Timmy. He allowed for single coverage on Timmy so that his average could go down from 30 ppg to 20 ppg when they were matched against each other.

[jman3000]

I think alot of Spur fans completely over rate K Thomas.
it's just that his presence is felt more against the spurs than against most teams in the league. it's almost like he was there just for the sole purpose of playing against us.

[timvp]

Mike Antoni must be loving this game . . .

[CubanMustGo]

Suns: 23 3pt shots, made 5.
Sonics: 7 3pt shots, made 3.

Grant Hill is going to throw his arm out of the socket if he takes many more bad threes (1-6). Maybe that's why he just missed both FTs.

[Pistons < Spurs]

I think the Amare's suspension built up Thomas's contribution. If not for that, K Thomas would not mean much in the minds of most Spur fans.

In a typical game, where Amare isn't in foul trouble, he's going to play 35 - 40 minutes. Thomas wouldn't be much of a factor.

[jman3000]

hill isnt really known as a 3 pnt threat... i wonder why he's taking so damned many.

[SpursFanFirst]

Suns defense looks bad right now. Even our better defenders, Bell and Marion, look slow.

But it's the first fucking half of the first fucking game of the season. Anyone who makes a judgment based off of these first 24 minutes is ejaculating prematurely. The Suns started off 1-5 last season with nearly the same squad.

You guys are hilarious. :lol You want so badly to hate on the Suns, as if it makes some kind of difference.

Wow...you're a little touchy, it would seem.
I, for one, am just happy to see Seattle playing well...I say, good for them!

[jman3000]

he's 6 fouls and good d is wha he ends up being... amare doesnt have the luxury of being able to use up his fouls whenever he wants, he's needed too much on the offensive side of things.

[jman3000]

wtf... nba.com says overtime just started for this game... last time i checked it was middle of 3rd quarter....

>????

[picnroll]

Suns defense looks bad right now. Even our better defenders, Bell and Marion, look slow.

But it's the first fucking half of the first fucking game of the season. Anyone who makes a judgment based off of these first 24 minutes is ejaculating prematurely. The Suns started off 1-5 last season with nearly the same squad.

You guys are hilarious. :lol You want so badly to hate on the Suns, as if it makes some kind of difference.
Hill crappy defende. Check
Nash crappy defneder. Check
Barbosa crappy defender. Check
Amare crappy defender. Check

[sa_kid20]

:lol at Wilcox. He is actually playing pretty well other than the missed dunk

[T-Pain]

there goes the sonics :(

[JamStone]

The Sonics will probably lose a lot of games this year, but they look fun to watch.

[Pistons < Spurs]

The Sonics will probably lose a lot of games this year, but they look fun to watch.
:tu

[T-Pain]

yeah i agree

[Dro210]

Good to see PJ's got his team playin well... Durant is playing better than the 1st game, maybe the Suns lack of D, maybe he's just already getting adjusted to the speed of the NBA. He's gonna score 25-30 a game this year easily tho. Jeff Green's a player. And Wilcox is a beast! I've been saying he was a 20-10 waiting to happen since his early days in LA. Petro looks good for them too, looks like he's bulked up quite a bit

and yea, I know everybody plays good against Phoenix's bigs (see Nazr and Elson's career games).... but he looked good against Denver too... and last year... and in LA, they just didn't let him play enough.

[Xylus]

Suns' defense has tightened in the 4th quarter--Sonics have 6 points in the first 7 minutes of the 4th quarter.

[T-Pain]

Durrrrrrrrrrrant!!!

[Dro210]

27 for Durant!

[sa_kid20]

Durant is keepin em in it

[Xylus]

Fuck, man.

Durant is looking really, really good. Can't wait to see how this guy develops in the NBA...

[slayermin]

Sonics look confused on the offensive end. When did Wally Szerbiak become a low post scorer?

[baseline bum]

Wow: Grant Hill plays 35 minutes in the first fucking game of the season. Same ol' D'Antoni.

Hill's not gonna make it to January.

[Xylus]

Wow: Grant Hill plays 35 minutes in the first fucking game of the season. Same ol' D'Antoni.

Hill's not gonna make it to January.
35 minutes? That isn't good at all...

Hopefully he's just getting Hill adapted to the system, but knowing D'Antoni, I'm not so sure.

[picnroll]

Wally is terrrible. Sonics should buy him out.

[Stabbin' Cabin]

Sonics look confused on the offensive end. When did Wally Szerbiak become a low post scorer?

Earl Boykins is a low post scorer against the suns.

[sa_kid20]

Looks like Seattle is done

[T-Pain]

just give the ball to durant, he'll put them back in it...

[some_user86]

Sonics need to work on following through with their shot. A lot of shots blown that should've gone in. But the team is so young, most of their errors are due to juvenility. Seattle deserves to keep them and see their future after the crap they've had to go through before.

[T Park]

I think the Amare's suspension built up Thomas's contribution. If not for that, K Thomas would not mean much in the minds of most Spur fans.

In a typical game, where Amare isn't in foul trouble, he's going to play 35 - 40 minutes. Thomas wouldn't be much of a factor.

What it was, it allowed the Suns to let Amare guad someone else, stay out of foul trouble, and create more havoc.

They also didn't double duncan as much.

The contributions of Kurt Thomas where quite alot.

[SpursFanFirst]

Looks like Seattle is done

That's unfortunate. But overall, I was very impressed with what they brought tonight. They're gonna be a fun team to watch! :clap

[T Park]

down 10, minute 15 left. Theyre done.

The Sonics used to do the same thing last year.

Theyd be beating a good team through three quarters and just fall apart in the 4th.

[T-Pain]

right between the eyes

[sa_kid20]

Sonics really hung in there they just ran out of gas in the end. Fun to watch though hopefully they can build something around Durant

[Dro210]

"Only one team will finish the year with a win, that's the champions... and that's what the Suns are playing for this year." - Doug Collins


Isn't that what everybody is playing for every year Doug?

[T Park]

Doug Collins.

Master of the stupid, and the obvious...

[Xylus]

Sonics: 41% FG overall, 41 points in the 2nd half. That's not bad defense. :)

Hill played 33 minutes, not 35 as previously stated. D'Antoni should limit him to about 30 if he hopes to keep him fresh.

[JamStone]

Well if Grant Hill is going to sit out behind the three point line and launch long range bombs all game, he doesn't have to worry about getting hit too much since he's attacking the basket once or twice a game. Shit, play him 48 minutes a game if all D'Antoni is going to do is have him be a spot up three point shooter. 7 3-pt attempts for a guy who's never had that kind of range?

D'Antoni is weird.

[Nashfan]

Sonics: 41% FG overall, 41 points in the 2nd half. That's not bad defense. :)

Hill played 33 minutes, not 35 as previously stated. D'Antoni should limit him to about 30 if he hopes to keep him fresh.

:tu I agree that Hill should only play 30 minutes at most. I don't know what all these Spurs fans are crowing about. Spurs barely beat Memphis and Portland, which are two crappy teams and let them shoot a better percentage than we let the Sonics shoot tonight. I think the Suns can play defense, just wish they would do it consistently. I also think we had first game rust, so I'm glad we kept at it and won. Anyone notice that Nash had seven rebounds? I have noticed he has been trying harder in this area this year. Amare played a great game especially for coming off a knee scope so recently. We will get better as the season goes on. :)

[ShoogarBear]

Damn, I'm glad Inside the NBA is back.

[ShoogarBear]

Who He Play For? :lmao

[baseline bum]

Sonics: 41% FG overall, 41 points in the 2nd half. That's not bad defense. :)

Hill played 33 minutes, not 35 as previously stated. D'Antoni should limit him to about 30 if he hopes to keep him fresh.

Yeah, my bad: nba.com had him listed at 33 minutes with two minutes to go in the game, with him on the floor. I've seen three different minute tallies for Hill tonight in boxscores at nba.com, yahoo, and espn.com. :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Yahoo.com keeps the best up-to-minute game stats except for technicals. At least that's how it was last season.

Oh, and Chuck still probably ties a tie better than I do.

[san antonio spurs]

Damn, I'm glad Inside the NBA is back.
me too, is there a better sports show?
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[Purple & Gold]

Sonics: 41% FG overall, 41 points in the 2nd half. That's not bad defense. :)

Honestly it was horrible defense. Seattle missed a bunch of easy ones, mainly due to the fact they're so young and the rookies aren't used to playing back to backs. It is game 1 though so it's way too early to say the Suns defense will suck all year. I'm sure there are a lot of details to work out and improvements to be made, but looking at their team the only two players on that team that play defense are Marion and Bell. Being that none of them are bigs I don't really see their defense improving that much at all. If Duncan stays healthy I see him having a field day in the post everytime.

[vicphoenix]

Honestly it was horrible defense. Seattle missed a bunch of easy ones, mainly due to the fact they're so young and the rookies aren't used to playing back to backs. It is game 1 though so it's way too early to say the Suns defense will suck all year. I'm sure there are a lot of details to work out and improvements to be made, but looking at their team the only two players on that team that play defense are Marion and Bell. Being that none of them are bigs I don't really see their defense improving that much at all. If Duncan stays healthy I see him having a field day in the post everytime.

I don't think Seattle missed that many easy shots. They were hitting alot of contested jumpers in the first half. If anything, its Seattle's defense which was poor. The Suns scored 106 points despite 20 turnovers and poor three point shooting. How many wide open threes did Hill and Bell miss? The Suns won this game with some solid fourth quarter defense.

[NBA Junkie]

Marcus Banks will be the Suns most improved player this year.

He finally looks comfortable out there.

[sribb43]

Well if Grant Hill is going to sit out behind the three point line and launch long range bombs all game, he doesn't have to worry about getting hit too much since he's attacking the basket once or twice a game. Shit, play him 48 minutes a game if all D'Antoni is going to do is have him be a spot up three point shooter. 7 3-pt attempts for a guy who's never had that kind of range?

D'Antoni is weird.

ya i noticed that too. D'Antonio probably told Hill if you dont shoot at least 5 3's a game you gonna sit on the bench. They need to use Hills slashing ability to give the offense a different look, instead of hanging out in the corner as a spot up 3pt shooter.

[fitzgerald]

Suns have no plans on playing defense once again. They will never learn. Then end result won't change either. Just run up and down the floor. Score as fast as you can. No championship for them in sight! D'antoni needs to go. What an idiot.

[da_suns_fan__]

LMAO @ this thread.....Didn't the Grizz just put up 101 on a Championship team the other night.

I guess the Spurs just don't play good defense anymore.

The Suns held the Sonics to 41.5% shooting which is A LOT lower than what the Spurs were able to keep the Blazers or Grizzlies to (47% and 50% respectively).

The Suns biggest problem last night was rebounding.

[fitzgerald]

If you look at the stats only, then you are correct. If you watch the games you will see how the teams scored their points. I watched the first half and saw layups, dunks and other easy baskets by both teams. That just does not happen to teams like the Spurs. Pop will not allow it. I did not see the Memphis game but I am quite sure the Spurs did not allow that, did they?

[da_suns_fan__]

If you look at the stats only, then you are correct. If you watch the games you will see how the teams scored their points. I watched the first half and saw layups, dunks and other easy baskets by both teams. That just does not happen to teams like the Spurs. Pop will not allow it. I did not see the Memphis game but I am quite sure the Spurs did not allow that, did they?

Well you just admitted that you didn't watch the second half where the Suns held the Sonics to 43 points or the Memphis game where Memphis was able to get almost any shot they wanted the entire game....so your opinion is pretty useless.

[fitzgerald]

I guess we will see won't we? It will not take long to see how serious they want to play defense. We will find out who is wrong.

[da_suns_fan__]

I guess we will see won't we? It will not take long to see how serious they want to play defense. We will find out who is wrong.

My observation was that Spurs fans were foolish for laughing at the Suns' poor defense when the numbers show the Suns played better defense than the Spurs played in any of their first two games.

Time will not tell if this observation is true. I can tell you right now, for a fact, that the Suns played better defense in their opener than the Spurs did in either of their first two games. :lol

[mardigan]

Well you just admitted that you didn't watch the second half where the Suns held the Sonics to 43 points or the Memphis game where Memphis was able to get almost any shot they wanted the entire game....so your opinion is pretty useless.
Spurs were playing a back to back against a better team than the Sonics.
The Suns d was pretty shitty throughout. They were lucky to win that game.And the Spurs are averaging 99 points against them right now, the same amout that the Sonics scored, so I dont know where this obvious proof they played better d was.

[da_suns_fan__]

Spurs were playing a back to back against a better team than the Sonics.
The Suns d was pretty shitty throughout. They were lucky to win that game.And the Spurs are averaging 99 points against them right now, the same amout that the Sonics scored, so I dont know where this obvious proof they played better d was.


FG%

[da_suns_fan__]

or how about defensive efficiency?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=defeff&league=nba

[da_suns_fan__]

San Antonio still playing at a much slower pace...yet giving up the same amount of points:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=pac&league=nba

[mardigan]

or how about defensive efficiency?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=defeff&league=nba
After 1 game pulling this? :lol
Way to prove a point that the Suns can have better defensive stats through 1 game than the Spurs have through 2. Yea, superior d :lol

[da_suns_fan__]

After 1 game pulling this? :lol
Way to prove a point that the Suns can have better defensive stats through 1 game than the Spurs have through 2. Yea, superior d :lol


Reading comprehension still obviously eludes you.

I didn't say the Suns were a better defensive team...I was laughing at Spurs fans for taking shots at the Suns D when so far, the Spurs D has been worse.

[Walter Craparita]

I forsee 50 pt games by Oberto if da suns keep that gaping wide hole open under the basket.

Like DSF said though, it's the first game.

[mardigan]

Reading comprehension still obviously eludes you.

I didn't say the Suns were a better defensive team...I was laughing at Spurs fans for taking shots at the Suns D when so far, the Spurs D has been worse.
99 points to a team led by a rookie and Chris Wilcox. Yea, thats a incredible defense.

The Spurs are on pace to win twice as many games as the Suns right now, thats your logic right? :lol

[da_suns_fan__]

99 points to a team led by a rookie and Chris Wilcox. Yea, thats a incredible defense.

The Spurs are on pace to win twice as many games as the Suns right now, thats your logic right? :lol

Don't you get it?

YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME!!!

[Walter Craparita]

My observation was that Spurs fans were foolish for laughing at the Suns' poor defense when the numbers show the Suns played better defense than the Spurs played in any of their first two games.

Time will not tell if this observation is true. I can tell you right now, for a fact, that the Suns played better defense in their opener than the Spurs did in either of their first two games. :lol

Right. But we KNOW what the Spurs defensive ceiling is. Suns have yet to prove they can play defense for the entire game. They had some nice spurts on defense against the Spurs, rather fans want to admit it or not...but after that game last night it doesn't look like they are any more serious about D this year. But like you said it is the first game so these takes don't mean much.

[da_suns_fan__]

Right. But we KNOW what the Spurs defensive ceiling is. Suns have yet to prove they can play defense for the entire game. They had some nice spurts on defense against the Spurs, rather fans want to admit it or not...but after that game last night it doesn't look like they are any more serious about D this year. But like you said it is the first game so these takes don't mean much.

I would agree on all counts.

[picnroll]

Seriously, I can't think of another team in the NBA with less capability to have interior defense than the Suns. Not one. Sacramento is close but not close enough.

[monosylab1k]

:dont

[mardigan]

Seriously, I can't think of another team in the NBA with less capability to have interior defense than the Suns. Not one. Sacramento is close but not close enough.
Chris Wilcox was playing like Amare Stoudamire against Amare Stoudamire last night

[Shank]

No numbers will tell anyone that this Suns team is anything different than what we've seen in the past few years. Same old, same old shit. It's fun and exciting to watch, but its crap at it's core and once again won't get them any further than before. All I saw was that D'Antoni thinks Grant Hill is some 3-pt ace when he's never been and that the Suns can be had as they have before. Nash does his thing, Stoudemire and Marion theirs. But there hasn't been some miraculous revolution in Phoenix. You'd have to remove D'Antoni's coaching mindset to accomplish that.

[SRJ]

Doug Collins was really jocking the Suns last night. He also referred to the Sonics previous championships twice.

[da_suns_fan__]

Doug Collins was really jocking the Suns last night. He also referred to the Sonics previous championships twice.


He's not as bad as Reggie Miller or Mike Fratello.

[vicphoenix]

Suns have no plans on playing defense once again. They will never learn. Then end result won't change either. Just run up and down the floor. Score as fast as you can. No championship for them in sight! D'antoni needs to go. What an idiot.

Okay whatever you say. I guess holding the Sonics to 41 percent shooting and 99 points is poor defense.

[Xylus]

There's no getting around it--their first half defense was extremely poor. No one could stay in front of their man, Durant was having a field day, Wilcox was having a field day, etc.

But the defense really tightened in the 2nd half, particularly in the 4th quarter.

[da_suns_fan__]

There's no getting around it--their first half defense was extremely poor. No one could stay in front of their man, Durant was having a field day, Wilcox was having a field day, etc.

But the defense really tightened in the 2nd half, particularly in the 4th quarter.


Offensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds. Offensive Rebounds.

If I could write one thing on the Suns chalkboard, I would write "One and done".

[The_Game]

Seriously, I can't think of another team in the NBA with less capability to have interior defense than the Suns. Not one. Sacramento is close but not close enough.

Your hate for the Suns is getting quite sickening to read.

Fact is say what you want but the Suns will be a big threat to the spurs in the playoffs. They got to 2-2 against us for a reason. Suns could of grabbed that game 5 in their house without amare and Diaw....if they did who knows the suns may of been the defending champs.

granted they aren't but fact is the suns are a tough team and will be tough again.

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Okay whatever you say. I guess holding the Sonics to 41 percent shooting and 99 points is poor defense.
(Using Spursdynasty logic...)

99 points is 1 point away from 100, so they basically gave up 100 points, and when you give up 100 points, that is bad defense, since the Spurs almost never give up 100 points. The fact that you didn't give up more than 100 is a fluke, and Kevin Durant missed a couple shots that he normally would have made. So if you add those shots in to the 100 points already scored, they probably would have lost by about 3. So really, the Suns are 0-1.

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Your hate for the Suns is getting quite sickening to read.

Fact is say what you want but the Suns will be a big threat to the spurs in the playoffs. They got to 2-2 against us for a reason. Suns could of grabbed that game 5 in their house without amare and Diaw....if they did who knows the suns may of been the defending champs.

granted they aren't but fact is the suns are a tough team and will be tough again.
Doesn't change the fact that what he said is right. They might possibly have the worst interior defense in the league. I really can't see who has a worse interior D.

[The_Game]

Doesn't change the fact that what he said is right. They might possibly have the worst interior defense in the league. I really can't see who has a worse interior D.

That comment wasn't something I was argueing It's all of his points throughout this thread.

It's crazy to see so much garbage being posted by spurs fans when it concerns the Suns. Obviously no one should be scared of Phx but you have to realise the spurs will be in a dogfight if they are to get past the suns.

[mardigan]

Your hate for the Suns is getting quite sickening to read.

Fact is say what you want but the Suns will be a big threat to the spurs in the playoffs. They got to 2-2 against us for a reason. Suns could of grabbed that game 5 in their house without amare and Diaw....if they did who knows the suns may of been the defending champs.

granted they aren't but fact is the suns are a tough team and will be tough again.
They might have the worst interior defense in the league, thats not hate, its true. Maybe you didnt watch Chris Wilcox looking like Elton Brand, but it doesnt mean it didnt happen. They lost their only big man defender in Thomas. Be a sympathizer if you like, but dont get butt hurt from someone pointing out a glaring deficiency in their roster.

Why did you even bring up last year anyway? That had nothing to do with the comment about this years team. Diaw and Amare got themselves suspended, stop making excuses. Secret Sun fan maybe? Hmmm.......

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That comment wasn't something I was argueing It's all of his points throughout this thread.

It's crazy to see so much garbage being posted by spurs fans when it concerns the Suns. Obviously no one should be scared of Phx but you have to realise the spurs will be in a dogfight if they are to get past the suns.
I understand and agree completely. Suns are not a team to be taken lightly. But for teams that play basketball the right way, as long as they keep doing that (playing the right way) they will eventually win the series.

[mardigan]

Obviously no one should be scared of Phx but you have to realise the spurs will be in a dogfight if they are to get past the suns.
I dont even understand this.
So they shouldnt be scared because it will be a dogfight?
Suns have never even forced an elimination game with their most recent lineups against this Spurs team, they arent that scary.

[The_Game]

They might have the worst interior defense in the league, thats not hate, its true. Maybe you didnt watch Chris Wilcox looking like Elton Brand, but it doesnt mean it didnt happen. They lost their only big man defender in Thomas. Be a sympathizer if you like, but dont get butt hurt from someone pointing out a glaring deficiency in their roster.

Why did you even bring up last year anyway? That had nothing to do with the comment about this years team. Diaw and Amare got themselves suspended, stop making excuses. Secret Sun fan maybe? Hmmm.......

If you actually read what I said I stated his comment on the Suns interior wasn't something I was arguing. It is the non stop hate of the Suns making them sound like a lottery team.

Fact is this the Suns are a great team and if the spurs and suns meet in the playoffs again It can go either way. Spurs will be favourites but It wouldn't be a huge shock if the suns win.

[Nashfan]

Your hate for the Suns is getting quite sickening to read.

Fact is say what you want but the Suns will be a big threat to the spurs in the playoffs. They got to 2-2 against us for a reason. Suns could of grabbed that game 5 in their house without amare and Diaw....if they did who knows the suns may of been the defending champs.

granted they aren't but fact is the suns are a tough team and will be tough again.

Thank you for being one of the few Spurs fans with common sense. :toast

[picnroll]

Your hate for the Suns is getting quite sickening to read.

Fact is say what you want but the Suns will be a big threat to the spurs in the playoffs. They got to 2-2 against us for a reason. Suns could of grabbed that game 5 in their house without amare and Diaw....if they did who knows the suns may of been the defending champs.

granted they aren't but fact is the suns are a tough team and will be tough again.
... and if Elliott hadn't hit the corner three against Portland the Blazers may have gone on to win the title. And if Kerr hadn't stepped up Dallas may have been the NBA champions. And if Horry hadn't hit the three Detroit may have been the champion. How does that change the fact that the Suns are the worst interior defensive team in the NBA which historically has been a pretty significant flaw in running the guantlet to a title. If I was a Suns' fan I'd see that as pretty shitty odds.