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Nbadan
11-07-2007, 02:28 PM
BAD NEWS for Republicans who are hoping Hitlary is a shoe-in for the Democratic nonimation so that they have some motivation to go to the polls Nov 08 and vote for their own lousy candidate....

Zogby Poll: Clinton Clings to Iowa Lead

Latest Zogby poll shows race tightens dramatically when second choices of minor candidate supporters are included

Note to news outlets: This Zogby poll is free from copyright restrictions. You are free to broadcast or publish this release in whatever format you choose. There is no need to seek further permission from Zogby International.


Democrat Hillary Clinton is holding on to a tenuous lead among likely Democratic caucus–goers in Iowa less than two months before those caucus participants will gather in neighborhood meetings to decide which candidate should carry their party banner into the 2008 presidential election.

She leads with 28% support, down from 30% in an August Zogby telephone poll. Barack Obama of Illinois, having made a serious campaign blitz of Iowa in recent months, is showing some progress at 25%, up from 19% in August. Holding steady in third place is John Edwards of North Carolina at 21%, down a bit from the late summer poll. Undecideds remain steady at 12%.

However, the race tightens dramatically when second choices are factored into the mix – a critical wrinkle in the Iowa caucuses. In the caucuses, a first round of “balloting” is conducted, and those candidates who do not win at least 15% support are ruled “unviable” and supporters are directed to a second choice among those who remained “viable” before a second round of “balloting” is conducted. Zogby polling shows Edwards makes big strides as a second–choice candidate, jumping six percent (see chart).

Pollster John Zogby: “This is a real horserace coming into the stretch run. With less than two months before the caucuses, this is anybody’s ballgame.”

The survey shows Edwards wins second–choice support from Richardson backers and from Biden backers – both experienced pols with long Washington resumes. Obama also benefited more as a second choice than Clinton, making the race extremely tight.

Gender politics has been a big factor in the Democratic nomination battle, and Clinton – the first woman to be a front–runner for a major party nomination, leads among Iowa women with 32%, compared to 27% for Obama and 19% for Edwards. Among men, it’s a deadlock, with Edwards at 24%, and Clinton and Obama both at 23% support.

However, the picture changes a bit among second–choice voters, where Edwards wins 25% support, compared to 23% for Obama and 18% for Clinton. Among men making a second choice, Edwards also leads with 24% support, compared to 21% for Obama and 19% for Clinton.

But Clinton’s support appears stronger than that of Edwards and Obama. Asked about the likelihood they could change their minds before January, just 39% of Clinton backers said it is likely, compared to 50% of Obama supporters and 51% of Edwards supporters.

Asked whether former President Bill Clinton would have a negative or positive impact on a Hillary Clinton presidency, should one come to pass, Iowa Democrats are mostly optimistic. While 79% said his impact would be positive, nine percent said it would be negative and 12% were unsure.

The telephone survey was conducted November 6, 2007, and included 502 likely Democratic caucus-goers statewide. It carries a margin of error of +/- 4.5 percentage points.

Zogby (http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1385)


As I've been saying for weeks, this race is far from over....

Yonivore
11-07-2007, 02:31 PM
BAD NEWS for Republicans who are hoping Hitlary is a shoe-in for the Democratic nonimation so that they have some motivation to go to the polls Nov 08 and vote for their own lousy candidate....

Zogby Poll: Clinton Clings to Iowa Lead

Latest Zogby poll shows race tightens dramatically when second choices of minor candidate supporters are included

Note to news outlets: This Zogby poll is free from copyright restrictions. You are free to broadcast or publish this release in whatever format you choose. There is no need to seek further permission from Zogby International.



Zogby (http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1385)


As I've been saying for weeks, this race is far from over....
Personally, I think Hussein would be just as much fun to kick around during the general election season.

ChumpDumper
11-07-2007, 02:33 PM
He's a sleeper agent! They're translating the documents!

Nbadan
11-07-2007, 08:42 PM
'Lobbyist for Pakistan Maxed Out Donations to Clinton'


"Like others in the race for the White House, Hillary Clinton has strong words for Pakistan, but has yet to propose the United States seriously consider limiting its aid to the country. But unlike the other leading Democratic presidential hopefuls, Edwards and Obama, she has accepted tens of thousands of dollars from Pakistan's lobbyists, Cassidy & Associates. Its founder, Gerald Cassidy, long ago maxed out his donations to her.

According to the Foreign Agents Registration Act website, Pakistan recently hired Cassidy and Associates for a one year, $1.2 million/year contract. The Cassidy contract with Pakistan makes for good reading. For the $1.2 million, "target audiences will be identified for critical message reception," and Cassidy will inventively move beyond pushing pieces in the mainstream media, also focusing on blog outreach. In other words, Cassidy will shill and propagandize for one year, and use its contacts in Washington--presumably including Clinton--to ensure that the billions in aid are not diminished, regardless of what the government does to its citizens and its elections. According to The Hill, Pakistan's lead lobbyist is Robin Raphel, who served in the Clinton administration.

While not prohibited by law, accepting such a donation necessarily raises questions about the effect this relationship--and similar ones--will have on her policies in the White House towards Pakistan should she win the 2008 contest, or in the US Senate should she not."

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"DLA Piper, for a fee of $1.2 million/year agreed to provide lobbying and governmental relations services to Turkey including, but not limited to: "Preventing the introduction, debate, and passage of legislation that harms turkey's interest or image." All told, DLA Piper has given half a million to candidates in the 2008 cycle, including nearly $300,000 to Clinton's campaign."

Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zephyr-teachout/lobbyist-for-pakistan-max_b_71379.html)

The Robin Raphel connection is also worrisome... former Clinton Admin Official now Pakistan lobbyist...

SA210
11-08-2007, 01:10 AM
Analysis: Don't bet the presidency on polls 1 year out

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire (CNN) -- It's one year until Election Day 2008. Do the current polls tell us anything a year before the election? Yes, they tell us something, but you have to be careful.

The polls tell us Sen. Hillary Clinton is the clear front-runner for the Democratic nomination and Rudy Giuliani's the Republican front-runner. So is it all over, before it even begins?
Be careful with a poll, says New Hampshire Institute of Politics Director Paul Manuel. "It's not a predictor. It's a tool. It's a useful way to understand what's happening at that moment and nothing more."

Let's look at the record of polls taken a year before the election.

Polls predicting the Democratic (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/U_S_Democratic_Party_Politics) nominees have mostly been wrong. Surveys taken in November 1971 predicted the Democrats would nominate Edward Kennedy or Edmund Muskie. In 1972, the Democrats nominated George McGovern.

In November 1975, the polls predicted Kennedy again. The next year, the Democrats nominated Jimmy Carter.

In early November 1979, the polls predicted Kennedy would defeat Carter for the Democratic nomination. He didn't.

In 1987, Jesse Jackson was the Democratic front-runner. In 1988, Michael Dukakis was the Democratic nominee.

Mario Cuomo led the Democratic field in November 1991. In 1992, the Democrats nominated Bill Clinton.

Howard Dean was well on his way to getting the Democratic nomination in November 2003, until John Kerry took it away from him.

Only twice have polls the year before correctly predicted the Democratic nominee. Walter Mondale in 1983 and Al Gore in 1999. Both won the nomination the following year. And both were current or former vice presidents.

On the Republican (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/U_S_Republican_Party_Politics) side, the polls have almost always been right the year before. They predicted Ronald Reagan's nomination in 1980, George H.W. Bush's nomination in 1988, Bob Dole's in 1996 and George W. Bush's in 2000.

Republican polls a year out got it wrong only once, in 1976. The polls in 1975 predicted Reagan. The next year Republicans nominated incumbent President Gerald Ford.

In the past, the Republican nominating process has usually been an orderly succession. Predictable. The Democrats have had a free-for-all. Unpredictable.

"Historically, the Democrats have been an alliance of many different groups and the Republicans are a more narrow band," says Manuel.

If that's still true, the message to Republicans is, it's Rudy Giuliani. And to Democrats, don't bet on Hillary Clinton.

But is it still true? Don't bet on it.

This time, the Democratic front-runner has a bigger lead. And the Democrats say they're more satisfied with their choices. So this time, the Democrats look like they may have an orderly succession. And the Republicans may have a free-for-all. A topsy-turvy year.

When it comes to predicting the general election winner, the record of the polls a year out is actually pretty good.

A year before the election, polls predicted Reagan would defeat Mondale in 1984, Bush would defeat Dukakis in 1988, Clinton would beat Dole in 1996, Bush would defeat Gore -- by 16 points! -- in 2000 and Bush would beat Kerry in 2004.

The year-before polls got it wrong twice. In 1979, the polls predicted Carter would beat Reagan. And in 1991, they predicted the first President Bush would defeat Bill Clinton.

In both cases, voters a year out expected the president to get re-elected.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/06/schneider.one.year/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Let's go Edwards! :ihit

Nbadan
11-09-2007, 02:23 AM
Let's go Edwards!

Edwards/Obama has a nice ring to it.....

Yonivore
11-09-2007, 02:26 AM
Edwards/Obama has a nice ring to it.....
Sweet! Let the good times roll.

A presidential candidate that studied poverty at a hedge fund and vice-presidential candidate that learned the pledge of allegiance at an age most of us were still trying to say our names.

Solid ticket. Bring 'em on.

Nbadan
11-09-2007, 02:30 AM
Who do you have Gouliani? I'm sure the dresses will go over fine with voters....

Yonivore
11-09-2007, 02:32 AM
Who do you have Gouliani? I'm sure the dresses will go over fine with voters....
It's not the dresses that bother me about Guiliani.

Nbadan
11-09-2007, 02:34 AM
Yeah. it's the pro-abortion....pro-mob....anti-911 families shit that should bother you...

Yonivore
11-09-2007, 02:35 AM
Yeah. it's the pro-abortion....pro-mob....anti-911 families shit that should bother you...
I thought we were talking about Guiliani not Hillary.

SA210
11-09-2007, 06:50 PM
Edwards/Obama has a nice ring to it.....
:toast

boutons_
11-09-2007, 08:01 PM
"Edwards/Obama has a nice ring to it...."

http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/toast.gif (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81069)

A southern wat boy and a sorta black guy, a pretthy good combo demographically.

Both very intelligent, articulate, serious, some charisma, and very probably serious towards effective government and competent governing, as was Clinton, characteristics totally missing these last 7 years.

Nbadan
11-11-2007, 02:52 AM
Clinton slipping in NH too...


Marist poll has Clinton’s lead over Obama falling from 21 percentage points to 11.

Dems: Clinton 36 (drops 5), Obama 25 (gains 5), Edwards 14, Richardson 6

GOP: Romney 33 (gains 7), Giuliani 22, McCain 13, Paul 7 (gains 5), Huckabee 7, Thompson 5 (drops 5)

Link (http://thepage.time.com/2007/11/11/new-nh-poll-shows-clinton-slippage)

Mr. Peabody
11-11-2007, 03:11 AM
Clinton slipping in NH too...



Link (http://thepage.time.com/2007/11/11/new-nh-poll-shows-clinton-slippage)

Now that she is slipping, I suspect the MSM will revive the love-fest and amp up the talk of her inevitability.

Nbadan
11-11-2007, 03:21 AM
Oh no doubt, especially since her performance in Iowa yesterday was far from inspiring....