View Full Version : Darth Cheney Up To Same old Shit
Nbadan
11-09-2007, 03:47 AM
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POLITICS-US: Cheney Tried to Stifle Dissent in Iran NIE
By Gareth Porter*
WASHINGTON, Nov 8 (IPS) - A National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran has been held up for more than a year in an effort to force the intelligence community to remove dissenting judgments on the Iranian nuclear programme, and thus make the document more supportive of U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney's militarily aggressive policy toward Iran, according to accounts of the process provided by participants to two former Central Intelligence Agency officers.
But this pressure on intelligence analysts, obviously instigated by Cheney himself, has not produced a draft estimate without those dissenting views, these sources say. The White House has now apparently decided to release the unsatisfactory draft NIE, but without making its key findings public.
A former CIA intelligence officer who has asked not to be identified told IPS that an official involved in the NIE process says the Iran estimate was ready to be published a year ago but has been delayed because the director of national intelligence wanted a draft reflecting a consensus on key conclusions -- particularly on Iran's nuclear programme.
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Former CIA officer Philip Giraldi provided a similar account, based on his own sources in the intelligence community. He told IPS that intelligence analysts have had to review and rewrite their findings three times, because of pressure from the White House. "The White House wants a document that it can use as evidence for its Iran policy," says Giraldi. Despite pressures on them to change their dissenting conclusions, however, Giraldi says some analysts have refused to go along with conclusions that they believe are not supported by the evidence.
Link (http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39978)
The scary part is that Cheney knows more than the 33% of nut-cases in this country will never support his idea to bomb Iran, so if he can convince the likes of Yoni, WC and Ray that's good enough for him....
Yonivore
11-09-2007, 08:07 AM
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POLITICS-US: Cheney Tried to Stifle Dissent in Iran NIE
By Gareth Porter*
Link (http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39978)
The scary part is that Cheney knows more than the 33% of nut-cases in this country will never support his idea to bomb Iran, so if he can convince the likes of Yoni, WC and Ray that's good enough for him....
Uh, he was absolved of this "same old shit" by a Congressional Committee after the same old stupid allegations were made about him trying to influence and intimidate the intelligence agencies on Iraq.
Frankly, I doubt our intelligence agencies -- full of people so willing to leak information it decimates valuable intelligence programs -- much worry what "Darth" Cheney thinks. Now, if we sent a few to prison for sedition and treason, it might have an impact.
Yonivore
11-09-2007, 09:25 AM
Gareth Porter!!
:lmao
Who is he? A comedian?
George Gervin's Afro
11-09-2007, 09:30 AM
I scratched my head when I read Yoni's post on this thread.. It's clear that Yoni and his ilk are prone to believe ANYTHING that disparages dems or clinton. Whether it's a book , blog, stroy... where there's smoke there's fire.. Ray will say.. (of course then he turns it into gay talk)
yet we have dick included YET AGAIN in a story trying to alter intelligence estimates. how many different stroies does anyone have to realize where there's smoke there's fire with crazy uncle dick in the attic??
clinton groping a women is far more important to talk about to these fools but dick altering documents that is a just a rumor..
Who is he? A comedian?
No, Google him; MAJOR Vietnam era (confirmed) crackpot. Can't believe he still gets anything published (such as it is).
Yonivore
11-09-2007, 09:49 AM
I scratched my head when I read Yoni's post on this thread.. It's clear that Yoni and his ilk are prone to believe ANYTHING that disparages dems or clinton. Whether it's a book , blog, stroy... where there's smoke there's fire.. Ray will say.. (of course then he turns it into gay talk)
yet we have dick included YET AGAIN in a story trying to alter intelligence estimates. how many different stroies does anyone have to realize where there's smoke there's fire with crazy uncle dick in the attic??
clinton groping a women is far more important to talk about to these fools but dick altering documents that is a just a rumor..
President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton taking an oath, on videotape, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to a federal prosecutor and then, while the tape was still rolling, telling a lie, is a little more than a rumor.
In the case of Vice President Cheney. Similar allegations, made after the Iraq invasion, were disproved by a Congressional investigation. No reason to accept this allegation as anything but rumor.
I scratched my head when I read Yoni's post on this thread.. It's clear that Yoni and his ilk are prone to believe ANYTHING that disparages dems or clinton. Whether it's a book , blog, stroy... where there's smoke there's fire.. Ray will say.. (of course then he turns it into gay talk)
yet we have dick included YET AGAIN in a story trying to alter intelligence estimates. how many different stroies does anyone have to realize where there's smoke there's fire with crazy uncle dick in the attic??
clinton groping a women is far more important to talk about to these fools but dick altering documents that is a just a rumor..It's Gareth Fucking Porter!
Tell you what. I think Ray, Yoni, et al. should simply quote directly from Anne Coulter's books; stream Limbaugh and Hannity - and you CANNOT discuss the source, and only have to respond to the merits of the posts.
You okay with that?
Yonivore
11-09-2007, 09:49 AM
No, Google him; MAJOR Vietnam era (confirmed) crackpot. Can't believe he still gets anything published (such as it is).
In other words, a dark comedian.
George Gervin's Afro
11-09-2007, 10:00 AM
It's Gareth Fucking Porter!
Tell you what. I think Ray, Yoni, et al. should simply quote directly from Anne Coulter's books; stream Limbaugh and Hannity - and you CANNOT discuss the source, and only have to respond to the merits of the posts.
You okay with that?
Only if I can get hush's 'get out of answering the question' card? I love it when he is asked a legit question that he doesn't want to answer. he then just says 'well I don't agree with the premise of the question". I lose that... So I will just not agree with the premise of the question if I don't want to answer it.
I tell you what they can do that but I kepp the liberty of finding factuall evidence to debunk statements. We must also consider that opnion is not fact..so they can post away..
Only if I can get hush's 'get out of answering the question' card? I love it when he is asked a legit question that he doesn't want to answer. he then just says 'well I don't agree with the premise of the question". I lose that... So I will just not agree with the premise of the question if I don't want to answer it.
I think I know of instances like this of which you speak. Usually, however, I agree that the question (in question - sic.) is worded in such a way to make it a trap - without a good answer (my wife is a professor, so I hang in some pretty intellectual, liberal crowds quite often). It's interesting being a conservative in those groups. They ONLY talk other liberals on a consistent basis; and pretty much think all conservatives are neanderthal, knee jerk robots.
In truth the academics are, to a large degree, what they picture the rest of the world being: close minded and isolated. When one of "those" questions come up; they are stunned when I have a response such as you indicate Rush has.
Do you have an example of one of these questions?
George Gervin's Afro
11-09-2007, 10:24 AM
I think I know of instances like this of which you speak. Usually, however, I agree that the question (in question - sic.) is worded in such a way to make it a trap - without a good answer (my wife is a professor, so I hang in some pretty intellectual, liberal crowds quite often). It's interesting being a conservative in those groups. They ONLY talk other liberals on a consistent basis; and pretty much think all conservatives are neanderthal, knee jerk robots.
In truth the academics are, to a large degree, what they picture the rest of the world being: close minded and isolated. When one of "those" questions come up; they are stunned when I have a response such as you indicate Rush has.
Do you have an example of one of these questions?
I don't off the top of my head. I was actually turned on to him by one of my hard core conservative friends so I have been listening for about 7 yrs now. I guess you may not hear this that much because the guy may take 10 to 15 calls in 3 hrs. I don't remember who wrote this about him but the crux of his point was that hush shadow boxed with soundbites. I found that hilarious because when I read that I found it 100% accurate. All day long he plays soundbite and then attacks it. He the asks the soundbite a softball question for himself and then he hits it our of the ball park. He then goes on and delcares victory over the soundbite. the guy is obviously an intelligent fellow because he is as successful as he is but it never ceases to amaze me to read his comments from people like ray..
I am surrounded by conservatives galore where i live and i do surprise them when they ask me a question and i can answer it as well. they are shocked to know a democrat that doesn't hate america, hates the troops, suffer form hating bush etc., who has valid concerns about bush and his policies.
boutons_
11-09-2007, 11:21 AM
Attack the messenger, what an innovative tactic, diverging the thread into Gareth Porter and away from dickhead cooking the intel to match odor of his agenda.
The msg is that dickhead is suppressing doubts and counter-evidence that contradicts his murderous plan for "regime change" in yet another country with lots of oil, just as he did when cherry-picked/hype Iraq intel and suppressed doubts.
Can any of you right wingers refute that claim?
Attack the messenger, what an innovative tactic, diverging the thread into Gareth Porter and away from dickhead cooking the intel to match odor of his agenda.
The msg is that dickhead is suppressing doubts and counter-evidence that contradicts his murderous plan for "regime change" in yet another country with lots of oil, just as he did when cherry-picked/hype Iraq intel and suppressed doubts.
Can any of you right wingers refute that claim?No.
Can you refute the claim that Hillary Clinton, in 1994, got drunk, put on a dildo and ass-raped Kathleen Wiley.
Please cite your source.
Yonivore
11-09-2007, 12:04 PM
No.
Can you refute the claim that Hillary Clinton, in 1994, got drunk, put on a dildo and ass-raped Kathleen Wiley.
Please cite your source.
:lmao
Pelosi has the evidence:
http://www.sondrak.com/archive/skpics2/nancy_strapon.jpg
And, refute this:
http://www.thiefsden.net/archives/hillary.jpg
Holt's Cat
11-09-2007, 12:06 PM
No, Google him; MAJOR Vietnam era (confirmed) crackpot. Can't believe he still gets anything published (such as it is).
...as long as croutons and danny boy have modems...
:lmao
Pelosi has the evidence:
http://www.sondrak.com/archive/skpics2/nancy_strapon.jpg
And, refute this:
http://www.thiefsden.net/archives/hillary.jpg
Did you just do that, or is that some freakish Karma?
Yonivore
11-09-2007, 12:18 PM
Did you just do that, or is that some freakish Karma?
Google is your friend.
"Hillary" + "Strapon"
I can't really explain why that would return a picture of Pelosi holding one. But, hey, maybe we can start a rumor about that.
PixelPusher
11-09-2007, 04:21 PM
Google is your friend.
"Hillary" + "Strapon"
I can't really explain why that would return a picture of Pelosi holding one. But, hey, maybe we can start a rumor about that.
Vast Right-Wing Fetish
Nbadan
11-11-2007, 03:09 AM
As I reported for Inter Press Service this week, Dick Cheney has been trying to pressure intelligence analysts who have not drunk the neocon kool-aid on Iran to go along with his line on the issues at stake in a National Intelligence Estimate on Iran that the White House has been holding up for more than a year. Think Progress immediately noted the parallel between the Cheney’s effort to get an Iran NIE that is more to his liking and the way he pushed intelligence analysts to accept the fabrications the neocons were pushing in on Iraq in 2002.
The similarities between Cheney’s efforts to cook the intelligence on Iraq and on Iran are worth noting, but so are the differences. Cheney may have had a bigger impact in shaping the intelligence estimate on Iran to fit the policy he is pursuing than was the case on Iraq in 2002.
The Washington Post reported in June 2003 that Cheney and his chief of staff Scooter Libby had visited CIA analysts several times in 2002 to get them to reexamine their skeptical analysis on the WMD issue. But equally important, the Post quoted a “senior agency official” as saying that speeches by Cheney in August 2002 charging Saddam with having a nuclear weapons program “sent signals, intended or otherwise, that a certain output was desired from here.”
The effect was achieved despite the fact that the October 2002 NIE on Iraqi WMD was done very quickly, because it had been forced on the White House in September by the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen. Bob Graham. The White House had only just begun to roll out its propaganda campaign on the fictive Iraqi nuclear weapons program at that point.
Now flash forward to autumn 2006. Cheney had a draft NIE on Iraq that he didn’t like. The intelligence community had already issued an NIE on Iran in spring 2005 that had concluded Iran’s nuclear program would not progress to the point of having the capability to produce a nuclear weapon until sometime between 2010 and 2015. The new draft Iran estimate was still reportedly offering a similar analysis. Cheney wanted it to endorse the neocons’ alarmist view that Iran could acquire the knowledge with which to make nuclear weapons much sooner than that.
Furthermore, Cheney needed an NIE that would support the policy of attacking Iran over its alleged role in Iraq and seizing supposed Iranian “Quds force” personnel there. He wanted it to endorse the charge that Iran is supplying armor-piercing weapons to Shiites in Iraq who were killing American troops. But the draft NIE didn’t do that, according to former CIA analyst Philip Giraldi.
So part of Cheney’s strategy was to keep sending the draft back for further work while he was creating a new political atmosphere on Iran’s role in Iraq. He began in early 2007 to use the U.S. military command in Iraq to wage an intensive propaganda campaign on how the Iranians were supplying EFPs to anti-U.S. Shiite guerrillas through the Quds force. Ignoring intelligence available to the military that EFPs were being manufactured in machine shops in Iraq, Gen. Petraeus and his subordinates formulated a new narrative that would dominate media coverage and political discourse on the issue of Iran and Iraq.
That Iranian EFP narrative has now been repeated without any alternative view being reflected in the media for ten months. The complete dominance of that narrative in the society for so long has certainly had its effect on the NIE process. As a former CIA intelligence officer told me, “Look, most of the intelligence analysts are young guys with less than ten years of experience. A lot of them are willing to give the administration line on Iran the benefit of the doubt.”
My sources suggest that the analysts ready to go along with the new narrative are now the majority. Nevertheless, some intelligence analysts on Iran are reportedly still refusing to say that there is concrete evidence to support the official line that the Iranian regime is exporting EFPs to Iraq. They are insisting on including their dissenting views on the issue in the NIE.
That is why the new Director of National Intelligence, Mike McConnell, under orders from Cheney, has refused to circulate the NIE until all dissenting views on the issue have been removed.
There has been no comparable administration propaganda campaign over Iran’s nuclear program, so Cheney’s tactics were more direct. Last April the chairman of the National Intelligence Council, Thomas Fingar, who presides over the NIEs, was made to go on National Public Radio and declare that the intelligence community was reevaluating whether its judgment on how soon Iran might produce a nuclear weapon needed to be revised. Fingar said the estimate “might change” and vowed that the analysts were “serious about reexamining old evidence”. He even revealed the fact that the NIE on Iran was being delayed because of the reexamination.
Although he didn’t say so explicitly, Fingar’s statement left little doubt that the White House had forced the reexamination of the analysts’ judgment on the Iranian nuclear program by holding the NIE hostage. How successful that hardball tactic has been in getting language more acceptable to Cheney is still not known, but there were still differences of view on the issue in the draft NIE as of last month, according to my sources.
Link (http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/how-cheney-cooked-the-intelligence-on-iran-by-gareth-porter/)
Nbadan
11-11-2007, 03:28 AM
It's like 2002 all over again....
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/11/08/cheney372.jpg
The US vice-president, Dick Cheney, has warned firms that stay in Iran they will
have trouble doing business in the US. Photograph: Tim Sharp/AP
Multinational companies are coming under increasing pressure from the US to stop doing business with Iran because of its nuclear programme. European operators are facing threats from Washington that they could jeopardise their US interests by continuing to deal with Tehran, with increasing evidence that European governments, mainly France, Germany and Britain, are supporting the US campaign.
It emerged last night that Siemens, one of the world's largest engineering groups and based in Germany, has pulled out of all new business dealings with Iran after pressure from the US and German governments. This follows the decision by Germany's three biggest banks, Deutsche, Commerzbank, and Dresdner, to quit Iran after a warning from US vice-president Dick Cheney that if firms remain in Tehran, they are going to have problems doing business in the US.
Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2208219,00.html)
Cheney also pressured Euro and American companies from doing business with Saddam pre Iraq-war....
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