Gangsta G

[Nbadan]

http://www.allreaders.com/pictures/rudy_giuliani_drag.jpg
Womens Panties aren't the only thing Gansta G is hiding under his dress

Gangster Giuliani: The GOP's Worst
By Margaret Kimberley, Black Agenda Report. Posted November 8, 2007.


If a potential Giuliani presidency in any way resembles a Giuliani mayoralty, then the country would be in for a truly awful time.

It is a supreme irony that Rudolph Giuliani became mayor of New York City because his opponent and predecessor, David Dinkins, is a black man. The myth of the always liberal white New Yorker was proven to be just that on election day in 1993. White voters deserted Dinkins in droves and elected a Republican mayor for the first time in 30 years.

Giuliani, a former prosecutor, took office and immediately began treating New Yorkers, particularly black New Yorkers, like criminals. He specialized in pleasing white people by beating up black people. Under his leadership the police were unleashed and given the right to arrest for petty offenses and even to kill when they felt the urge to do so.

When Haitian immigrant Patrick Dorismond was killed by a police officer, Giuliani illegally released his juvenile justice records to police. Adding insult to injury, he smeared the dead man by stating that he was "no altar boy." The Dorismond case was one of the tipping points that made even some white New Yorkers long for the day that Giuliani would be their former mayor.

His public actions involving his private life also took the bloom off of the Rudy rose. In 2000 Giuliani informed his wife he was leaving her for another woman. He brought her that news via press conference. New York sophistication should not be confused with moral laissez faire. The tacky behavior was never forgotten.

On September 11, 2001 New Yorkers were giving collective thanks because term limits legislation insured that Rudy would soon be gone for good. Only a small number of dead enders were still in his thrall. But the terror attacks on the twin towers put him back in the spotlight. He was dubbed "America's mayor," and made a Knight of British Empire. He then made a bundle by forming Giuliani Partners and making up to $200,000 for a single speaking engagement, marketing himself as a terrorism expert because he managed to look calm for a few days.

Now Giuliani is running for the Republican presidential nomination and he is the very worst of a bad lot. He unabashedly supports the occupation of Iraq and a military attack on Iran. He doesn't think simulating drowning via water boarding is torture and agrees wholeheartedly with the Bush destruction of civil liberties.

If a potential Giuliani presidency in any way resembles a Giuliani mayoralty then the country would be in for a truly awful time. As mayor Giuliani promoted the worst, least competent people to high positions in New York City government. Bernard Kerik, an undercover cop, had the shrewdness to put himself in the right place at the right time when he volunteered to drive Rudy around during his mayoral campaign. Despite the lack of any other credential, his rise to power was swift. First he was made a Deputy Commissioner at the Department of Corrections, then Commissioner.

Kerik was nothing but a crook. Fully aware that Kerik was under investigation for taking money from a construction company with organized crime connections, Giuliani nonetheless appointed him Police Commissioner. While others insist that they informed Giuliani of Kerik's mob ties, Rudy claims not to remember. He certainly didn't remember when he recommended his pal for a cabinet level position as Secretary of Homeland Security. When Kerik imploded under an avalanche of bad publicity Rudy just shrugged his shoulders, confident that he would continue to get away with doing whatever he wants.

Alternet (http://www.alternet.org/story/67234)


What was it I wrote about....ummmm....a year ago? The Neocons are poisoning the well so that their chosen candidates, Giuliani and Hitlary win the nominations.....

[Nbadan]

Condi would be a likely choice, but I wouldn't rule out Giuliani.

Nbadan 12 - 22 - 05 (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31317&page=1&pp=26)

[Nbadan]

I see very little difference between Hillary (or the Clintonistas) and Dubya (neocons). So the best way to make sure their candidate wins is to fix both sides. This is why I suspect we are being bombarded with Republican stories of Hillary already being the decided candidate for Democrats in 08 - which I don't believe for a second is the case.

NBADan 3-03-06 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=782360)

[Nbadan]

I disagree. I think the whole game plan is to 'poison the well' early and eliminate as many candidates that aren't named Clinton or beholden to a Bush. Rally wingnuts against Hillary and toward Guiliani, and rally moon-bats against Guiliani and toward Hillary. It's a brilliant idea.

Nbadan 1-29-07 (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59065)

[Holt's Cat]

The talking squirrel visited me again in the park and told me about the wonders of zen and meth. I would really like to have sexual relations with that rodent.

Nbadan 2-11-69 (http://www.whitehouse.com)

[Nbadan]

Nbadan 2-11-69 (http://www.whitehouse.com)


:lol

[Nbadan]

MSNBC On Bernie: "9/11 Hero Indicted"
Jason Linkins
November 9, 2007 12:00 PM


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The M$M is telling us today that Bernard Kerik, scheduled to be arraigned today on criminal charges, is a "9/11 Hero!" Far as I can remember this is the first time anyone's asserted that commandeering an apartment that was "originally donated for the use of weary police and rescue workers who were helping at ground zero" in order to expedite the process of secretly nailing Judith Regan, constitutes "heroism," but, in retrospect, perhaps it was long overdue!

Never forget, MSNBC......

[Alex Haley]

Nbadan gets to the root of the problem!

[BradLohaus]

I disagree. I think the whole game plan is to 'poison the well' early and eliminate as many candidates that aren't named Clinton or beholden to a Bush. Rally wingnuts against Hillary and toward Guiliani, and rally moon-bats against Guiliani and toward Hillary. It's a brilliant idea.

I think you are exactly right.

I think you brought this up in another thread, but wasn't Giuliani's dad in the mob? Pretty high up, like a captain? Or is that just a rumor?

[Nbadan]

Roger Ailes = NeoCon Extremis'

Rudy Giuliani's ties to Fox News
Judith Regan's lawsuit against News Corp. alleges that Rupert Murdoch's firm, which owns Fox News, wants Giuliani to be president. A look at links between the candidate and the company.
By Alex Koppelman and Erin Renzas


http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2007/11/15/regan/story.jpg
Regan confirms that FAUX wants Giuliani to win


Nov. 15, 2007 | Of all the allegations contained in former ReganBooks Publisher Judith Regan's lawsuit against her one-time employers at Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., the most explosive is the first. Regan charges that News Corp. executives wanted to destroy her reputation because she knew too much about her ex-boyfriend, former New York City Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, and that what she knew could be harmful to the presidential hopes of Rudy Giuliani -- whom she depicts as the preferred candidate of News Corp. and its subsidiary, Fox News. According to Regan's suit, "This smear campaign was necessary to advance News Corp.'s political agenda, which has long centered on protecting Rudy Giuliani's presidential ambitions."

Regan and the married Kerik had a well-publicized yearlong affair. Their assignations often took place in a lower Manhattan apartment that had been specifically reserved for the use of workers in the aftermath of 9/11. After Giuliani left the mayor's office on January 1, 2002, Kerik went to work for him as a consultant at Giuliani Partners. Kerik and Regan broke up later in 2002. In December 2004, according to Regan's complaint, when President Bush tapped Kerik, at Giuliani's recommendation, to head the federal Department of Homeland Security, Regan was pressured to keep quiet, and asked to lie on Kerik's behalf. "A senior executive in the News Corp. organization told Regan that he believed she had information about Kerik that, if disclosed, would harm Giuliani's presidential campaign. This executive advised Regan to lie to, and to withhold information from, investigators concerning Kerik. ... Defendants knew they would be protecting Giuliani if they could preemptively discredit her."

This is not the first time that News Corp. has been accused of having a political agenda. Fox News is often accused of favoring Republicans. In the current presidential election cycle, however, there have also been repeated suggestions, from critics on both the right and the left, that the network prefers Giuliani over the other GOP contenders.

As it happens, Giuliani and News Corp. do have a history. Giuliani has several personal and financial connections to News Corp. and Fox News -- beginning with Fox's top executive -- and those connections seem to have proven mutually beneficial.

Roger Ailes: The head of Fox News, Ailes was a veteran Republican operative long before he was a news executive, having worked as a media consultant in the presidential campaigns of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and the first President Bush. In 1989, he worked as a media consultant on the unsuccessful first mayoral campaign of a former federal prosecutor named Rudy Giuliani, with whom he had bonded at dinner parties over their shared admiration for Ronald Reagan. Since then, Giuliani and Ailes have remained good friends. Giuliani officiated at Ailes' wedding and brought presents to Ailes' room when Ailes was hospitalized in 1998. The New York Times has reported that aides to the two men say they don't see each other often, but they did sit together at the White House Correspondents' Dinner in April 2007 -- which Giuliani attended as a guest of News Corp. (Ailes has also socialized with Bernie Kerik.)...

Salon (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/11/15/regan/)

[Nbadan]

A Noun, A Verb and September 11th. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ7-3M-YrdA)

[Nbadan]

Looks like Gangsta G prefers diamonds too...

http://timesonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/09/giuliani_in_drag.jpg

[Nbadan]

An update on FoxNoise's hard-hitting coverage of the Regan-Kerik-Guiliani-Newscorp scandal.

Ooops, never mind. Still no word. But THESE tremendously important stories are prominently displayed on the FNC front page:


Cheerleaders Booted for Flashing

Plane Diverted After Couple Tries to Join "mile High Club"

Human Ashes Dumped From Disneyland Ride

[Nbadan]

NYFD Fire Chief goes after Giuliani....

NY Fire Chief: 'Giuliani Ran Away like a Coward on 9/11' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU4Mlplw5ws)....

...here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KtDIOS8-EM) Giuliani confesses that he knew 15 minutes before the towers fell that they were gonna fall...think of how many firefighters could have been saved that day if Giuliani hadn't hired shills as dept heads, who ran away while 300+ first responders died because they had radios that didn't work...

[Wild Cobra]

NYFD Fire Chief goes after Giuliani....

NY Fire Chief: 'Giuliani Ran Away like a Coward on 9/11' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU4Mlplw5ws)....

...here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KtDIOS8-EM) Giuliani confesses that he knew 15 minutes before the towers fell that they were gonna fall...think of how many firefighters could have been saved that day if Giuliani hadn't hired shills as dept heads, who ran away while 300+ first responders died because they had radios that didn't work...
Sorry, it doesn't wash with what you are implying.

For every disgruntled fireman you can find, you can probably find ten times as many who say otherwise.

As for him knowing 15 minutes before they fell... so what. I don't recall the exact details, but I do remember radio messages going out to tell the firefighters to get out before the collapse. There was even conversation with a firefighter on the 78th floor! Giuliani might be right in saying the firefighters ignored the call to evacuate. After all, firefighters run into burning buildings. Not away. They are true heroes.

The outdated equipment?

It was replaced, then recalled by Motorola in March 2001 leaving them with the old equipment. How was that Giuliani's fault?

Please Dan. You continue to link propaganda. Please fact check you material.

[boutons_]

"you can probably find ten times as many who say otherwise.'

Find them yourself, and let us know.

[Walter Craparita]

You guys sure do love using the word NeoCon.

I personally don't care who wins as long as it is not edwards or Hilary. Fuck socialism and ecolosers.

[Nbadan]

For every disgruntled fireman you can find, you can probably find ten times as many who say otherwise.

He's an freaking active-duty Deputy Chief who's brother died on 911 and the firemen in Tower 2 didn't get any warning...The Real Rudy Radios (http://therealrudy.org/radios)

[Wild Cobra]

He's an freaking active-duty Deputy Chief who's brother died on 911 and the firemen in Tower 2 didn't get any warning...The Real Rudy Radios (http://therealrudy.org/radios)
So you link a site that lies?

Get with it Dan. Find a link with more facts than just one side of a story.

Anyone who understands the problems associated with radio communications with so many reflectors (steel buildings) should know that most radio systems will have problems. I'm going to guess that these recalled radios were the newer 800 mhz digital design. In 1993 to 1994, I worked at the Multnomah County Electronics shop. I didn't see them before changing jobs, but everyone was getting ready to change to the new 800 MHZ system. They work more like cell phones on a dedicated system without having to dial. They work fine in low density cities, but the more skyscrapers they have, the more repeaters you need. This may have been accounted for, it might not of. There could have also been illegal transmissions on their bands jamming the radios, or even intentional jamming by someone disgruntled. The systems work great, and have worked fine in other cities. To my knowledge, there are newer radios than what I learned of, but they still operate in the same bands and similar technology as the 800mhz digital.

When you have nothing but skyscrapers on every block, it's a tricky thing to communicate. The older 200 mhz to 400 mhz bands they used are likely the best choice to use, but without repeaters inside of steel framed buildings.... Even then… Get real. That's all I ask.

New York has too much steel blocking any communications. Sure, cell phones work fine, but still not as reliable in NY as other cities. I could get into the technical details, but suffice it to say that cell phones use far more repeaters per square mile because of the number of customers than the bands allocated to police, fire, etc. This is simply because the serve millions of customers rather than thousands. My knowledge of radio communications tells me that a 800 mhz system is not viable unless they place repeaters at least half as close as they do cell phone repeaters. That become a humongous undertaking. That means thousands of repeaters in NY city.

If anyone is to blame, it is Motorola, because they have the know-how. It's not a system you can just field test. because it requires the building of several repeater stations.

Like it or not, I am an expert in this field. Blame Motorola if you must blame someone.

[xrayzebra]

So you link a site that lies?

Get with it Dan. Find a link with more facts than just one side of a story.

Anyone who understands the problems associated with radio communications with so many reflectors (steel buildings) should know that most radio systems will have problems. I'm going to guess that these recalled radios were the newer 800 mhz digital design. In 1993 to 1994, I worked at the Multnomah County Electronics shop. I didn't see them before changing jobs, but everyone was getting ready to change to the new 800 MHZ system. They work more like cell phones on a dedicated system without having to dial. They work fine in low density cities, but the more skyscrapers they have, the more repeaters you need. This may have been accounted for, it might not of. There could have also been illegal transmissions on their bands jamming the radios, or even intentional jamming by someone disgruntled. The systems work great, and have worked fine in other cities. To my knowledge, there are newer radios than what I learned of, but they still operate in the same bands and similar technology as the 800mhz digital.

When you have nothing but skyscrapers on every block, it's a tricky thing to communicate. The older 200 mhz to 400 mhz bands they used are likely the best choice to use, but without repeaters inside of steel framed buildings.... Even then… Get real. That's all I ask.

New York has too much steel blocking any communications. Sure, cell phones work fine, but still not as reliable in NY as other cities. I could get into the technical details, but suffice it to say that cell phones use far more repeaters per square mile because of the number of customers than the bands allocated to police, fire, etc. This is simply because the serve millions of customers rather than thousands. My knowledge of radio communications tells me that a 800 mhz system is not viable unless they place repeaters at least half as close as they do cell phone repeaters. That become a humongous undertaking. That means thousands of repeaters in NY city.

If anyone is to blame, it is Motorola, because they have the know-how. It's not a system you can just field test. because it requires the building of several repeater stations.

Like it or not, I am an expert in this field. Blame Motorola if you must blame someone.

Yep you are correct WC. Police/fire/ambulance and inter
agency communications has always been a problem.
And yes, the vendor in many cases is the fault. They low
bid a system and then try and make it work. In San
Antonio some years back the vendor end up giving
the city a chuck of money back and walking off with a
half-ass system. I can only imagine what the traffic
must of have been like on the emergency frequencies
in NYC. Intermod, talking over each other, not able
to properly communicate between agencies. In Texas
many years ago they had what they called a inter-city/inter-agency
freq, 155.38 I think it was, cant remember right off
hand. It worked okay to a degree, but there was so
much traffic on it that most base stations kept the
thing turned down, consequently missing calls.

But radio communications has always been a problem
for emergency agencies, especially in times of true
emergencies. I am not sure how things are going now
days with the computer terminals in mobile units.

But NYC was more than likely a nightmare for people
trying to communicate with each other.

[Nbadan]

Cabinet position for The Hair? Yet another in a long-line of reasons not to vote Giuliani....


Gov. Rick Perry continues to insist he doesn't want to move to Washington, but observers continue to speculate that Rudy Giuliani will reward him for his support if Giuliani is elected president. That is a big "if," but the political life is full of "ifs."

I remain among those who don't see a vice presidential role in Perry's future. But a Cabinet post — secretary of commerce, agriculture, transportation, homeland security — may not be too far-fetched, if there is a Giuliani administration.

Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5327819.html)

[Nbadan]

Gangsta G's billing scandal....

Giuliani billed obscure agencies for trips
By: Ben Smith
November 28, 2007 03:32 PM EST


But American Express bills and travel documents obtained by Politico suggest another reason City Hall may have considered the documents sensitive: They detail three summers of visits to Southampton, the Long Island town where Nathan had an apartment.

Auditors "were unable to verify that these expenses were for legitimate or necessary purposes," City Comptroller William Thompson wrote of the expenses from fiscal year 2000, which covers parts of 1999 and 2000.

...

"There is no really good reason to do this except to have nobody know about it," Carol O'Cleireacain, a Brookings Institution senior fellow who was budget director under Giuliani's predecessor, David Dinkins, said of the unusual billing practices.

A Giuliani spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, declined to comment on any aspect of the travel documents or the billing arrangements.

A Giuliani aide who would speak only on the condition of anonymity denied that the unorthodox billing practices were aimed at hiding the expenses, citing "accounting" and noting that they were billed to units of the mayor's office, not to outside city agencies.

The aide declined to discuss Giuliani's visits to Long Island.

The trips themselves were a departure for a mayor who had prided himself on spending every waking moment in the city and on the job, and offer a glimpse into the dramatic and controversial finale to his tenure in office.

Receipts show him in Southampton every weekend in August and the first weekend in September of 2001, before the terror attacks of Sept. 11 disrupted the routines of his city.

Both the travel expenses and the appearance that his office made efforts to conceal them could open Giuliani to criticism that his personal life spilled over into his official duties and his expenses grew in his final years in office.

It is impossible to say which of the 11 Long Island trips indicated by credit card receipts were to visit Nathan and which were for other purposes.

ht of those trips, however, were not noted on Giuliani's official scheduleich is now available in the city's municipal archive and contains many details of Giuliani's official and unofficial life.

...

A spokesman for Bloomberg, Stu Loeser, said: "When we received the letter from the comptroller, we referred the matter to the Department of Investigations, as we would in any case like this."

A spokeswoman for the Department of Investigations declined to comment.

Politico (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=878D4480-3048-5C12-005317F667D990C6)

What's really interesting is that this attack on G seems to be coming from the right.....

[Nbadan]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/VirtualContent/84882/nypuppy.jpg
Would you want this wack job as your first lady?


She has become used to getting her way. An organizer of a recent fashion shoot received a call from one of Rudy's business associates warning her to address his wife as Judith. According to this source, Judith became so smitten with the dress she was modeling "that she simply didn't want to take it off. She didn't offer to pay. She made it very clear she wanted it for free. You know how it is when someone stalls." Instead, says this source, Judith kept repeating a kind of mantra: "I'm a sample size, I'm a sample size."

The fashion insider sighs. "But the problem was the dress was a sample, and the designer's only sample. But she was very persistent. We had almost a metaphorical tugging of the dress away!" And not just that dress. "There were a number of items she tried on she wanted. There was greed in the air. We finally brokered a deal with the designer to give her some sort of discount for the dress."

Around the office of Giuliani Partners, it is said, Sunny Mindel, Giuliani's communications director, spoke of the need for providing an entire plane seat for Judith's "Baby Louis"—a reference to her Louis Vuitton handbag, which sits in solitary splendor on her travels.

Vanity Fair (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/09/giuliani200709?printable=true)



Here is a pic of Judi's $68,000 handbag...


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[boutons_]

There's a lot of slime, corruption, sleaze attached to Giuliani.

Here's the NYT calling him a liar.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/30/us/30truth-600.jpg


November 30, 2007
Citing Statistics, Giuliani Misses Time and Again

By MICHAEL COOPER (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/michael_cooper/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
In almost every appearance as he campaigns for the Republican presidential nomination, Rudolph W. Giuliani (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/rudolph_w_giuliani/index.html?inline=nyt-per) cites a fusillade of statistics and facts to make his arguments about his successes in running New York City and the merits of his views.

Discussing his crime-fighting success as mayor, Mr. Giuliani told a television interviewer that New York was “the only city in America that has reduced crime every single year since 1994.” In New Hampshire this week, he told a public forum that when he became mayor in 1994, New York “had been averaging like 1,800, 1,900 murders for almost 30 years.” When a recent Republican debate turned to the question of fiscal responsibility, he boasted that “under me, spending went down by 7 percent.”

All of these statements are incomplete, exaggerated or just plain wrong. And while, to be sure, all candidates use misleading statistics from time to time, Mr. Giuliani has made statistics a central part of his candidacy as he campaigns on his record.

For instance, another major American city claims to have reduced crime every year since 1994: Chicago. New York averaged 1,514 murders a year during the three decades before Mr. Giuliani took office; it did not record more than 1,800 homicides until 1980. And Mr. Giuliani’s own memoir states that spending grew an average of 3.7 percent for most of his tenure; an aide said Mr. Giuliani had meant to say that he had proposed a 7 percent reduction in per capita spending during his time as mayor.

Facts and figures are often the striking centerpieces of Mr. Giuliani’s arguments. He has always had a penchant for statistics — his anticrime strategy as mayor was built around a system known as Compstat that closely tracked crimes to focus law enforcement efforts. On the campaign trail he often wields data, without notes, with prosecutorial zeal to hammer home his points.

But in recent days, both Mr. Giuliani’s Republican rival Mitt Romney (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/mitt_romney/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and Democrats have accused him of a pattern of misleading figures and have begun to use the issue to try to undercut his credibility.

An examination of many of his statements by The New York Times, other news organizations and independent groups have turned up a variety of misstatements, virtually all of which cast Mr. Giuliani or his arguments in a better light. “He’s given us a lot of work up until now,” said Brooks Jackson, the director of Annenberg Political Fact Check, which is part of Factcheck.org (http://factcheck.org/), a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/university_of_pennsylvania/index.html?inline=nyt-org) that has corrected statements by candidates in both parties.

Aides to Mr. Giuliani dismiss questions about his use of statistics as nitpicking, arguing that no one can dispute the big points he makes by using the statistics: that crime dropped significantly during his tenure, say, or that he worked to restrain spending in New York.

“The mayor likes detail, and uses it frequently on the campaign trail in ways the other candidates don’t,” said Maria Comella, a spokeswoman for Mr. Giuliani. “And at the end of the day, he is making points that are true.”

Mr. Giuliani is not alone in citing statistics in a questionable way. Last month, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/hillary_rodham_clinton/index.html?inline=nyt-per), Democrat of New York, said that financing for the National Institutes of Health (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/national_institutes_of_health/index.html?inline=nyt-org) had decreased under President Bush; it has increased. Senator Barack Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per), Democrat of Illinois, said the national debt had doubled under President Bush; it has not.

But with Mr. Giuliani running so strongly on his record, statistics have taken on a central role in his campaign.

In recent days, Mr. Giuliani seems to be taking greater care to be precise.

At the Republican debate on Wednesday night, he was careful when referring to crime statistics in Massachusetts during Mr. Romney’s term as governor, which had been the subject of a debate over the weekend. And at a “Politics and Eggs” breakfast on Monday in Bedford, N.H., he took greater care to describe his record on cutting taxes.

Last weekend, speaking about his belief in supply-side economics, Mr. Giuliani said, “I lowered, argued for lowering, and got the hotel occupancy tax lowered by 33 percent. And I was collecting $200 million more from the lower tax than the city had been collecting from before I was mayor from the higher tax.”

In fact, the increase in revenues from the hotel occupancy tax was just over a quarter of what Mr. Giuliani asserted — the city’s hotel tax revenues grew by roughly $58 million during his term, according to the city’s Independent Budget Office (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/i/independent_budget_office/index.html?inline=nyt-org) — and a booming economy, as well as the reduction in crime Mr. Giuliani helped produce, probably played a part.

Factcheck.org has reported that the Giuliani campaign exaggerated when it boasted on its Web site that “Mayor Giuliani increased the police force from 28,000 to 40,000,” noting that most of that increase came from his merger of the Transit and Housing Police Departments with the New York Police Department, a transfer of more than 7,000 existing officers to the department.

The campaign argues that giving housing and transit police officers jurisdiction beyond the city’s public housing and subways gave the city more flexibility to fight crime. It said that it usually notes the effects of the merger when describing the size of the police force, and said it would change a post on its Web site to mention the merger when citing the increase.

And the group also found that Mr. Giuliani erred at a Republican debate when, while calling for tort reform, he said that 2.2 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product “is spent on all these frivolous lawsuits.” That statistic, the group reported, came from a study that pegged the cost of all civil claims at 2.2 percent of the G.D.P., without judging whether the cases had merit or not.

Even some people who support Mr. Giuliani’s proposals say he risks undercutting his own arguments when he relies on imprecise or questionable statistics.

In a recent radio advertisement by the campaign about his health care proposal, Mr. Giuliani repeated another false statement that he had been using on the campaign trail. In the advertisement Mr. Giuliani, who has had prostate cancer, asserted that his chances of surviving prostate cancer in the United States were 82 percent, while his chance of surviving in England would have been only 44 percent. His point was that the American health care system is far superior to England’s government-run system, which he refers to as “socialized medicine.”

The figure came from an article written by one of Mr. Giuliani’s health care advisers, but was soon discredited: the source of the research that was used to derive the statistic said that its data had been misused. The Office for National Statistics in Britain said that the true five-year survival rate was 74.4 percent — still lower than in the United States, but by a much smaller margin. Mr. Giuliani stood by the statistic, however, and kept using the advertisement, though it has since gone off the air.

Ramesh Ponnuru, a senior editor at National Review magazine, said Mr. Giuliani’s plan “may be the best of the Republican health care plans.”

“The trouble is that the exact statistic he used was misleading,” Mr. Ponnuru said in a recent interview, elaborating on a blog post he wrote. “It became an argument about the statistics, and he dug in and defended it when he was wrong.”

Another radio advertisement that Mr. Giuliani ran over the summer stated that as mayor he “turned a $2.3 billion deficit into a multibillion-dollar surplus.”

That was also misleading. According to independent fiscal monitors, Mr. Giuliani did have to close a $2.3 billion deficit in his first budget, and did accumulate a multibillion-dollar surplus during his tenure. But by Mr. Giuliani’s last full fiscal year in office, the city was spending more than it was taking in in revenues, and Mr. Giuliani ended up spending almost all of the surplus to balance his final budget.

Last weekend, questions about Mr. Giuliani’s use of facts moved front and center in the campaign. Mr. Giuliani charged that “violent crime and murder went up” in Massachusetts while Mr. Romney was governor. The number of reported killings did go up in those years, but the state’s overall rate of violent crime went down, according to statistics compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org).

Mr. Romney accused Mr. Giuliani of having “a real problem with facts,” and aides circulated a statement calling Mr. Giuliani’s crime statistics “about as accurate as his prostate cancer survival numbers for England.”

“He has now done this time and again, making up facts that just happen to be wrong, and facts are stubborn things,” Mr. Romney said.

Frank Luntz (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/frank_luntz/index.html?inline=nyt-per), a Republican strategist who once worked for Mr. Giuliani, said he doubted that the issue would hurt him politically.

“When he talks about New York, people see it,” Mr. Luntz said of Mr. Giuliani, “and they feel it, and if a number isn’t quite right, or is off by a small amount, nobody will care, because it rings true to them.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/us/politics/30truth.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1196547269-rWaLgC+cP+jlZA47XUlyFw

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And the killer is that the decline in NYC crime rate he claims honors for, with an air of exclusivity of cause, actually started 3 years before he was elected mayor.


RG is one nasty, corrupt, slimy, bullying, ugly fat motherfucker. I hope he gets the Repug nomination. :lol

[boutons_]

More evidence that RG thinks he's above the law, just like dubya thinks he and dickhead and the entire Exec are above the law.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/rudy.giuliani.judith.2.599809.html

There's so much sleaze clinging to RG, and all his liberal-cause history that he's trying to flip-flop on, that I figure the Repugs won't nominate him. Anyway, not much chance of New Yawker pulling in the votes in red-states.

[Wild Cobra]

More evidence that RG thinks he's above the law,
etc. etc. etc...

How do you expect anyone to take you serious? Take out the bullshit, and Rudy is not like the liberals media portrays him. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see him win the republican nomination, but this shit is absurd. Take a bit of serious thought... can you do that?

The liberals do not want RG to win the nomination, because he is almost an automatic win against any democrat. He is republican, and will gain most the republican and conservative vote, even though we would prefer a Romney or Tancredo, etc. He will pull most the middle, for a sure win against any democrat, and the liberal media knows it! They will do anything to discredit him!

[boutons_]

"take you serious"

I don't GAF who/if anybody takes me seriously, esp not a knee-jerk, check-list-conservative, rut-brained, self-congratualting jerkoff as yourself.

RG has done plenty to discredit himself, and he's being outed by his own NYFD, the indictements against Kerik, etc, etc.

Blaming RG's sleaze and abuses on "liberals" is typical WC bullshit. Who's waiting on Faux to expose RG or other Repugs?

He's a nasty motherfucker with fat, ugly legs who is totally unelectable.

Go ahead, make my day, punk. Nominate RG. I'm "feelin' lucky". :)

[boutons_]

Kristol: Giuliani nomination 'problematic' in scandal's wake

12/02/2007 @ 10:14 am
Filed by David Edwards and Greg Wasserstrom

Conservatives agree: this week's scandal about whether or not Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani misused city funds while Mayor of New York has taken a serious toll on his candidacy. Appearing on the program Fox News Sunday, Bill Kristol and Fred Barnes, both of the conservative Weekly Standard, suggested the Giuliani campaign is in trouble.
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"Bill, I've come to the conclusion that any story that begins 'presidential candidate' and 'girlfriend are not good," host Chris Matthews said to his panelist.

"No, and when the follow-up story in the New York press is that, in fact, New York City police chauffeured around Judith Nathan - she was Rudy Giuliani's girlfriend or mistress but certainly not yet married to him in 2000 or 2001 - that's not good either. It was a very tough week for Giuliani. I think his path to the nomination is very problematic," Kristol told Wallace. Kristol also cited Rudy's recent decline in Iowa, New Hampshire and National polls - all before the story of alleged misuse of city funds broke on Thursday.

(RG also had NYPD walk his girlfriend's dog. And you conservatives bitch about "entitlements"! http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif)

Weekly Standard executive editor and regular Fox commentator Fred Barnes agreed that Giuliani should be worried about his showing in the early primaries, now only a month away, due to concerns Republican voters may have about his character.

"All this book-keeping stuff aside, this flap right now is all about having an extra-marital affair fairly recently," Barnes said. "In Rudy Giuliani's case, I think that's what comes through to people and not all the questions about an American Express card and all that stuff. It's about that affair."

"Anything that reminds people of his kind of checkered personal past: it's not good for him," said Mara Liasson of National Public Radio, but also suggested that the scandal would not be of such concern to the candidate had he responded too it quickly.

http://rawstory.com//printstory.php?story=8439

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I agree, WC, RG's disasters are all the fault of the "liberals" http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[xrayzebra]

"take you serious"

I don't GAF who/if anybody takes me seriously, esp not a knee-jerk, check-list-conservative, rut-brained, self-congratualting jerkoff as yourself.

RG has done plenty to discredit himself, and he's being outed by his own NYFD, the indictements against Kerik, etc, etc.

Blaming RG's sleaze and abuses on "liberals" is typical WC bullshit. Who's waiting on Faux to expose RG or other Repugs?

He's a nasty motherfucker with fat, ugly legs who is totally unelectable.

Go ahead, make my day, punk. Nominate RG. I'm "feelin' lucky". :)

No doubt about it. If boutons had a brain he would
take it out and play with it. Such a tough guy boutons
is. Make my day, indeed.

[boutons_]

Andrew Sullivan sarcasm on RG

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/02/andrew-sullivan-appeals-to-gop-base-to-vote-for-giuliani/

I wonder if Andy has had some gay old fun with Larry Craig? :lol

[Nbadan]

New Rudy Giuliani Ad: A Question Of Security (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0gzmBxsFMg)

[DarkReign]

Sooooooo.....

Ummmmm......

I must have missed the part where everyone agreed that a guy who dresses in drag on a regular basis isnt exactly Presidential material, yeah?

Right? I mean, cmon! The dude is in a fucking dress!

Soooo, yeah.

[Wild Cobra]

Sooooooo.....

Ummmmm......

I must have missed the part where everyone agreed that a guy who dresses in drag on a regular basis isnt exactly Presidential material, yeah?

Well, I never heard it was on a regular basis. You know what? I don’t care. I don’t give a damn about his personal life. Must be us conservatives who understand what tolerance is. I thought we were suppose to be tolerant to alternative lifestyles? Aren't we?

I only care about how he manages in an executive capacity. He has a pretty damn good record on that account! As for the crybabies under him, yes. He can be a bully, but he got things done, and I haven't seen complaints that are not easily dismissed.

As for the extra security for the girlfriend. OK, so he has slipped in the personal ethics departments. Do you liberals really care? Remember B.J. Clinton? His interns?

If the first lady in the mayors life gets protection, then his girlfriend should too. Plain and simple. Do I like it? No. Anyone hear about equality? Doesn’t the left want to elevate significant others to the legal status of marriage?

Will you lefties stop being so damn hypocritical?

[BradLohaus]

Bill Clinton cheats on his wife, and the left says "it's his personal life, who cares?" Rudy Giuliani cheats on his wife, and now that he might be the Republican nominee the right is saying "it's his personal life, who cares?"

If a man will cheat on his wife then you can be damn sure that he will lie to you. Giuliani, like Bill Clinton, is just a lying piece of trash.

[boutons_]

"I don’t give a damn about his personal life"

Married RG fucking his g/f ? I don't give a damn, either.

RG abuses public resources for the benefit of his g/f and hides it by sending the bills to obscure, inappropriate NYC departments?

RG promoting Kerik for DHS, now under federal indictment?

RG putting a security center in a already-attacked terrorist target?
etc, etc.

It's not his irrelevant personal life that bothers me. It's his public life.

But I do question the personal judgment of 50+ year-old-man with national political ambitions whose idea of a good time is serial transvestitism (and letting it be photographed), as well as rooming with 2 gays, of all the places a man of his wealth could have roomed. Another great move to endear himself with red-state/"Christian" homophobes.

RG's campaign is finished, completely self-inflicted.

[DarkReign]

Well, I never heard it was on a regular basis. You know what? I don’t care. I don’t give a damn about his personal life. Must be us conservatives who understand what tolerance is. I thought we were suppose to be tolerant to alternative lifestyles? Aren't we?

I only care about how he manages in an executive capacity. He has a pretty damn good record on that account! As for the crybabies under him, yes. He can be a bully, but he got things done, and I haven't seen complaints that are not easily dismissed.

As for the extra security for the girlfriend. OK, so he has slipped in the personal ethics departments. Do you liberals really care? Remember B.J. Clinton? His interns?

If the first lady in the mayors life gets protection, then his girlfriend should too. Plain and simple. Do I like it? No. Anyone hear about equality? Doesn’t the left want to elevate significant others to the legal status of marriage?

Will you lefties stop being so damn hypocritical?

When you find the photo of Clinton in a dress, call me.

Until then, I wont be voting for some guy who has had a 30 year identity crisis. Will Guliani be the first woman President after his transgender surgery?

Im sure that'll go over real well in the rest of the world. "US Idiots Elect Cross-Dressing Homophobe"

As if we arent thought of as dumb enough already, morons just want to make it worse. For chrissakes, man.

Clinton was getting high-fives for his BJ. Guliani gets a weird stare.

[boutons_]

Another lie from RG:

Despite historical records, Giuliani implies hostages' release was all due to Reagan

Tying his position on how to deal with "these Islamic terrorists we're facing" to the legacy of former president -- and Republican icon -- Ronald Reagan, GOP presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani implies in a TV ad released today that it took Reagan just "one hour" to win the release of Americans held hostage by Iran for 444 days from 1979-1981.

"The one hour in which they released them was the one hour in which Ronald Reagan was taking the oath of office as president of the United States," Giuliani says. "The best way you deal with dictators, the best way you deal with tyrants and terrorists, you stand up to them. You don't back down."

While the hostages were released as Reagan was taking the oath of office on Jan. 20. 1981, Giuliani does not say that the Algiers Accord that ended the hostage crisis was negotiated by the outgoing Carter administration and had been agreed to the day before -- Jan. 19, 1981 -- as records posted at the State Department's website (here and here, for example) and elsewhere confirm.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/despite-histori.html

[Wild Cobra]

When you find the photo of Clinton in a dress, call me.
I don't recall ever seeing senator Clinton in a dress. Have you?

[Wild Cobra]

Boutons, you can say what you want about the hostage release, but I was 20 at the time. I clearly recall Iran gave in and negotiated AFTER president Reagan won the November 1980 elections. Consensus of the time agrees they would have still been hostages if Reagan lost!

They were afraid of Ronny Ray-Gun, but overthrew the previous government under Carter's watch.

[Nbadan]

Boutons, you can say what you want about the hostage release, but I was 20 at the time. I clearly recall Iran gave in and negotiated AFTER president Reagan won the November 1980 elections. Consensus of the time agrees they would have still been hostages if Reagan lost!

They were afraid of Ronny Ray-Gun, but overthrew the previous government under Carter's watch.

Does Iran-contra ring a bell? Republican operatives had already undermined Carter - a felony if it had been exposed by the M$M - with the hostage crisis....it's no coincidence that as soon as Reagan won, the hostages were released, the Iranians didn't fear reagan, they were looking out for their own best interests, and their bests interests were rubbing the back of the new U.s. administration....

[boutons_]

"Ronny Ray-Gun"

yeah, St Ronnie the Alzheimer's President was one tough ... actor. Folded up and hauled ass out of Lebanon, and then was such a macho motherfucker beating up on ... Granada! :lol

Ronnie also agreed NOT to retaliate against Iran after the hostages were released. I would have supported direct US retaliation against Iran, in addition to Ronnie supporting Saddam against Iran.

[DarkReign]

I don't recall ever seeing senator Clinton in a dress. Have you?

:lmao

Boo-yah!

[Nbadan]

How's this for a over-inflated sense of ego?...

Giuliani's Security Measures


Recent revelations about the creative accounting being used in New York City to allocate the cost of the security details for then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani's visits to the Hamptons with his companion Judith Nathan have served as a reminder that Giuliani's messy personal situation late in his mayoral tenure had a cost for New York taxpayers. After Politico.com reported the accounting irregularities, subsequent reports have noted that the city was providing security to Nathan and her family and friends at the same time as it was also providing security to Donna Hanover, Giuliani's estranged wife.

But Giuliani's concern for Nathan's security should not come as a surprise to anyone. In his best-selling 2002 memoir "Leadership," Giuliani recounts that one of his main concerns on Sept. 11, 2001 was that the terrorists who attacked the Twin Towers and Pentagon might also be coming after Nathan. He describes his priorities after he and his top advisers finally managed to find a site, a firehouse, to serve as a new command center after fleeing the one at the World Trade Center. He and his team called city hospitals to make sure they were ready for the injured. Then they made sure other possible targets such as the Statue of Liberty, Empire State Building and Stock Exchange were under extra guard. Then, he writes, he called his "loved ones" -- first Hanover, to tell her he had sent extra security to evacuate Gracie Mansion, the mayoral residence, and then Nathan, both to reassure her that he was okay and to check on her security.

Washington Post (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/11/giulianis_security_measures_1.html)

[Nbadan]

Giuliani wants you to have a fruitcake...


dR1fWZlE7AM

You can't make this shit up....

[TDMVPDPOY]

i dont think he gives a shit what ppl think...



his pension > your super = ftl

[Nbadan]

Apparently, your right....

Rudy Floats Dick Cheney For Vice President Again



In an event in New Hampshire last night, Rudy Giuliani suggested that — if he were to be elected president — he would like to choose someone like Dick Cheney to be his Vice President. The AP reports:

Would a Rudy Giuliani administration be populated with a Cabinet of Republican rivals and a powerful, all-knowing vice president like Dick Cheney? Possibly, according to musings Giuliani shared in answers to questions from New Hampshire voters yesterday in Hooksett.

Giuliani pivoted from a question about potential picks for secretary of state to this: “Let me answer with the question of what you would look for in a vice president first - again without any presumption that I’m going to be the nominee.”

In an answer that mentioned Cheney more than once, Giuliani said, “A vice president has to be a partner in the administration. The vice president has to know everything that’s going on, just in case the vice president has to step in at a moment’s notice,” he said. He added that during a conversation with Cheney on Sept. 11, 2001, he felt the vice president “had a sense that he knew what he was doing.”

This isn’t the first time Giuliani has floated Cheney for Vice President. In a radio interview in November, Giuliani cited Cheney as “a good example of picking someone who is qualified to be president of the United States.” Fortunately, Cheney has indicated he will not serve in a future administration. “I’m going to serve this president for the next four years, and then I’m out of here,” Cheney told Fox News’ Chris Wallace. “This is my last tour.”

Cheney will leave office with a dark “cloud” hanging over him, in the words of former special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. Over 177,000 individuals have signed an active petition to impeach the Vice President, whose approval ratings hover near 30 percent.

Last year, the Washington Post reported there was a “GOP plan to oust Cheney,” who was “viewed as toxic” by many in his party and had “the potential to drag down” candidates up for election. Instead, the right-wing has openly embraced the Vice President and aggressively pushed him to run for president.

Think Progress (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/03/giuliani-cheney-vp)

Rudy is counting on the backing of a guy with an even lower approval rating than congress to save Iowa and N.H....what a joke.....