Spurs vs. Bucks - Nov. 11 Game Blog

[timvp]

It's time to get some payback against the only team that has more wins than losses against Tim Duncan in the regular season.

:makemyday

[288pipi]

go spurs go!!!

[peskypesky]

Go Spurs Go!!! Crush the Bucks.

[BeerIsGood!]

how they lose to these clowns is a giant damn mystery. I think the Spurs win because they aren't in cruise mode yet like they are when they usually play this team.

[SpursWillOwn]

they got blown out by this team twice last year? i wonder how yi performs bet he'll be guarded by bowen or elson

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yeah baby! I'll be watching this one!! :tu

[Sp Ginobili 20]

:flag:

[duncan228]

I'm still enjoying the fact that the season's back.
I love game nights.

[duncan228]

Spurs call on League Pass 2 games in a row.
Lucky me!

[E20]

The combined powers of Austraila and China will not hold back Tim Duncan. :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Hey now, just because Bogut's an Aussie doesn't mean Australia is behind him in this... anyway, I live in TINOR (The Independent Nation of RuffnReady). :lol

Anyone running a slingbox for this game?

[TDfan2007]

Duncan vs. Bogut/Yi is going to be good.

[weebo]

I bet parker takes the first shot for the spurs.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Go Spurs !!!!!!!

[easjer]

All right! Spurs broadcast!

But boooo! I have to continue to clean the house in between. Wonder how long it will take to vacuum and clean the bathroom (there is still so much ironing to do. And bed to change. and upstairs to dust and vacuum).

And I need to win some v-bookie. Jason totally fucked me up today. I asked him about my NFL bets and I only went with the ones he was "90% sure on" or better. Lost all 5. Sob.

[easjer]

Did I mention that I have to knit a reusable coffee cup holder tonight too?

That nap I took looks less attractive on this side. . .

[Admidave50]

GO SPURS GO!

For the first time of the season I can watch my Spurs on TV and not on my 12" laptop screen!

Yeehaah

[easjer]

Heh. Tony takes the first bucket and scores.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Tim !

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

And 1 baby , we need to see more of that Fabby

[easjer]

Good Lord, Milwaukee looks like a decent team against us. How sad.

You know, one of my bridesmaid's husband used to do the website updates for the Bucks. I can't remember whether he still does or not. . .

[easjer]

Go Fin!

[SpursFanFirst]

:depressed Colts...Spurs....Colts...Spurs...
WHO DO I WATCH?

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Rook-Yi mistake

[SAtown]

:depressed Colts...Spurs....Colts...Spurs...
WHO DO I WATCH?

What's your user name again?

[Admidave50]

Finley is hot scoring 8pts already

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Tim is back !

[SpursFanFirst]

That shot by Timmy was NICE!

[easjer]

Uh, watch the Spurs. Fuck the Colts.

And, now they are looking better and I'm pleased watching them. I love when Timmy hits his FTs.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

What's your user name again?
:lmao

[SpursFanFirst]

What's your user name again?

:lol Good point!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Oberto's doing great.

[picnroll]

Bonner in equals blown assignments.

[easjer]

Ugh. I think, based on SFIE's advice I'm going to lose another bet tonight, since I took the under on Redd's points. Fuck. So much for the nice $ I made Friday.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Spurs started off pretty good.

[Spurs Brazil]

Finley with a great start

Oberto and TD working well together

I don't know why Pop sit Fabricio so early

[easjer]

So if you were going to get a gift that contained paper made of 75% recycled elephant dung and 25% recycled rice paper, would you prefer a small memo book or a package of 12 12x12 cards in your favorite color?

This is very important.

[easjer]

Spurs started off pretty good.


Hope they keep it up.

[Darkwaters]

I wish I could watch the game. Is there anyway to get the games on your computer?

[Leetonidas]

Finley on fiyah!

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Great shooting by Spurs, baby !!!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Finley is on fire.

[easjer]

I wish I could watch the game. Is there anyway to get the games on your computer?

Yes, if you have League Pass - it has a broadband component. I don't know if you can buy it separately, but maybe you can through NBA.com?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Left Mason wide open. :bang

[MaNuMaNiAc]

jesus! can you imagine if Finley starts playing like his old self?? Who the hell can stop us then??

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Sooooo Sick, nice pass TP

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Timmy!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

wow nice pass from Tony

[easjer]

Tony is looking terrific tonight. The team is really coming together as the starters get back into the groove.

[E20]

Tim, Fin and Tony all of to great starts.

[Spurs Brazil]

Great beheind the back TP to TD

Spurs playing very fast but missing some rotations on D

The chinese guy can shot

[TDfan2007]

great start for just about everyone so far tonight. Defense could be better though.

[Manu20]

Finley with a great start tonight with 10 points.:tu

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Manu time?

[loveforthegame]

Pop needs to threaten to take Fin out of the starting lineup more often.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Pop needs to shave Bonners beard while he sleeps

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

:lol Michael Ruffin

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

How the hell does manu do it

[Admidave50]

our entire second unit is out with: DWash, Manu, Ime, Matt, Elson!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Manu lay in.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Omg

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Manu's crazy 3 goes in. :smokin

[Admidave50]

OMG!! Manuuuuuuuuu with unbelievable 3

[Darkwaters]

Pop needs to threaten to take Fin out of the starting lineup more often.

I must have missed that comment. Where did you hear that?

[Darkwaters]

Manu!!!!!!!!!!!!

[yeahone]

seems like we were pumped up to play the buck...since they had up number for a long time

[easjer]

Damn, that buzzer beater was nice! I'm happy with their play thus far.

[Walter Craparita]

Ginobili is a god.

[Spurs Brazil]

Omg Manuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[SequSpur]

Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Manu20]

Spurs lead 36-24 at the end of the 1st Q.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Hooly shit Manuuuuu!!

[Dex]

Yeah. 2005 Manu is back.

[Walter Craparita]

He needs to grow out his beard.

[Sp Ginobili 20]

Manu! What a baller! :worthy:

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Elson throws it down!

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

nice dunk sisco

[Walter Craparita]

I like that hustle Bonner.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

damn this is going great so far!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Udoka couldn't handle DWash's pass. :(

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

the beard got a board!

[SpursFanFirst]

Thank God the Spurs aren't trying to give this game away because the Colts are sucking major ass, and I'm about to lose $2,000 on vBookie. :depressed

[ChumpDumper]

Udoka couldn't handle DWash's pass. :(
I don't think he was looking for it. DW was a little late.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Redd gets in foul trouble.

[ChumpDumper]

The Bucks might want to give Manu a different look defensively.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

another 3?? holy crap!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Holy shit Darius Washington!
That looked like a crazy Manu layup.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

D-Wash baby, nice layup

[TDfan2007]

Manu is a monster

[SpursFanFirst]

Holy shit Darius Washington!
That looked like a crazy Manu layup.

yeah, that was nice!

[Darkwaters]

Darius Washington with a nice move.

[easjer]

That was a plain dumb pass.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

I love how we're pushing the ball

[TDfan2007]

The Bucks look awful out there right now...

[Dex]

Washington > Beno > Williams

[easjer]

Lots of TOs for the Bucks. I like how the Spurs are capitalizing. Big difference between this and the Houston game.

[Spurs Brazil]

Bonner needs to do a better job on the boards. he lost two easy ones to CV

DW is a tough kid. He can be good

Ime still a little lost on O and D

[Admidave50]

Nice 3pt by DWash

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

lights out shooting

[Admidave50]

50 pts already with 6min remaining! DAmn spurs are running the floor tonight

[easjer]

Well, Bonner's hustle has been better, and he's kept a couple of balls in play, so I can live with that.

[easjer]

lights out shooting


Over 70%, I think.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Manu is on another level right now

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I have a feeling I'm gonna win my vBookie bet on the Spurs score.

[Darkwaters]

Washington looks great out there. Very confident (I think Manu's solid play is contagious).

Ime looks a little lost, but that was a nice steal off of Ivey for him.

[TDfan2007]

wow, the Bucks are just getting slaughtered. Pretty much every one of our guys is playing well.

[easjer]

So if this lead persists, how much playing time does the second unit see in the second half?

[Manu20]

The Spurs are shooting 69% from the field!! :wow

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Over 70%, I think.

and how many fer Redd?

[yeahone]

vintage spurs........spurs are gonna be remembered as the greatest team..that played team ball of their generation

[Leetonidas]

Spurs are playing flawlessly.

[loveforthegame]

Nice to see everyone contributing somehow. Be it shots, rebounds, steals, hustle, whatever.

[Spurs Brazil]

TP can rest today.

DW is doing a great job

I think we'll see a lot of Ian today

[Darkwaters]

Its amazing that Duncan just came back in a few minutes ago and Parker is still on the bench.

[ShoogarBear]

Terry Stembridge.

:worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy:

[easjer]

The Mafia?

:lmao

[Darkwaters]

We're killing them with Ginobili, a couple guys that were not in the league a couple years ago (Washington, Ime) and a couple guys that were end of the bench scrubs a few years ago (Bonner, Elson).

Yikes.

[easjer]

It's one of those things I know, but never think of - The Spurs came to us from Dallas, where they couldn't get out fast enough. :lol

[Admidave50]

Yi can shoot!

[Tippecanoe]

elson!! holy shit, he can shoot

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Thanks fer takin a shot bruce

[easjer]

Holy hell, that was fucking nice ball movement to a Bowen 3!

[Tippecanoe]

i love being 4 min behind you guys

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Mo Will just made a jumpshot all up on Elson. Sad.

[easjer]

So close.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

This is murder. I can't believe there's a whole half after this .

[easjer]

i love being 4 min behind you guys


:lol

Well, at least you don't miss anything important, right?

I love being about 10-30 seconds ahead. It's funnier that way.

[Spurs Brazil]

Spurs moving the ball very well

[MI21]

How does Yi look? Haven't gotten a chance to watch him yet, but from all reports he looks pretty promising.

[yeahone]

once bowen and finley start hitting their shots spurs unbeatable

[Spurs Brazil]

lol Sean, T.Soprano could be the Spurs owner

[Spurs Brazil]

How does Yi look? Haven't gotten a chance to watch him yet, but from all reports he looks pretty promising.


He can shot

Not very good on D but can improve

He's better than I expected

[Manu20]

How does Yi look? Haven't gotten a chance to watch him yet, but from all reports he looks pretty promising.

He has a sweet looking jumper. I think he is going to be a really good player.

He is better than I expected.

[yeahone]

findog.....

[yeahone]

o think they can call this game after at half....its murder there is another half to go

[Spurs Brazil]

Bruce is doing a GREAT job on Redd

[MI21]

Thanks Manu20 and SB... That's pretty much what everyone says, can't wait to see this game, Yi intrigues me.

[duncan228]

Clinic.

It's too pretty.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Manu saves the ball. :)

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

What fucking hustle!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Is tony playing rugby?

[easjer]

Well, they are on pace to make the over. I'm feeling marginally better, since it'll take me close 2000 again. Now if BB can keep Redd under, I'll be aight.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Tim stuffed the shit outta Mo.

[duncan228]

Duncan.

[Otaku]

WTF has been parker doing the whole game??

[Spurs Brazil]

TD huge block

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

awesome first half... That's Spurs at their Best on both ends. loved Tim's block to cap it off.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Time to make a beer run, if someone knows how many point Redd has id love to know to start second half

[TDfan2007]

Good God Tim spanked that shot away!

[easjer]

Gotta go iron and vacuum and see if we can get the sheets changed.

Wish me luck.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

WTF has been parker doing the whole game??burning the Buck offense, are you watching or what??

that and tackling them as well

[Manu20]

Spurs lead 65-38 at the half.

[yeahone]

best half of the year on both sides of the court

[Darkwaters]

WTF has been parker doing the whole game??

Darius Washington played a fair amount earlier. So I guess sitting on the bench...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Wow, SG mayhem!

[loveforthegame]

What an incredible first half. Hope the guys come out with the same energy and hustle and not let the Bucks back in it.

[jmard5]

Way to end the 1st half with a Timmy block.

[Otaku]

burning the Buck offense, are you watching or what??

that and tackling them as well


All I've seen him do is lower his head and just bump everyone who's in front of him. Had a couple of good plays, but he's been too selfish through most of the game so far... but it's just a personal opinion, you don't have to agree.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

All I've seen him do is lower his head and just bump everyone who's in front of him. Had a couple of good plays, but he's been too selfish through most of the game so far... but it's just a personal opinion, you don't have to agree.its not about personal opinions. It is what it is, and Tony got this clinic started in the first quarter. After that he's been on the bench so that Washington can see some minutes, seeing as though this is a blowout and all.

[SpursFanFirst]

This is murder. I can't believe there's a whole half after this .

You want to see murder, flip over to NBC. :(

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

You want to see murder, flip over to NBC. :(
ROFL true dat.

[Spurs Brazil]

Red McCombs!

[Dex]

I think time just skipped.

[ShoogarBear]

Eight players with 10+ minutes in the first half.

Mike D'Antoni is spinning in his grave.

[ca®lo]

hey jmard where r u watchin the game?

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

nice start Timmy

[MaNuMaNiAc]

This is just scary! We are playing so well, ITS FUCKING SCARY!

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

wonder if easjer got the sheets done?

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Come on guys clean it up...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Nice steal by Tony

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

incredible shot tony

[THE SIXTH MAN]

I think its pretty cool how they're sitting in with some of the people who had a hand in making the Spurs who they are today. I'm really liking this 35th celebration. :tu

[Manu20]

5:43 SA - Full timeout (Timeout #3)
5:43 SA - Shooting foul on F. Oberto
6:03 SA - M. Finley made a 19-foot jumper from the left wing. Assist: T. Duncan
6:26 MIL - Defensive rebound
6:26 MIL - J. Voskuhl missed a 15-foot jumper from the right wing
6:37 MIL - C. Villanueva defensive rebound
6:39 SA - T. Parker missed a 4-foot jumper in the lane
6:43 SA - F. Oberto defensive rebound
6:47 MIL - C. Villanueva missed a layup
6:58 SA - Layup by T. Parker

Spurs lead 79-46.

[TDfan2007]

don't know why that Jake guy is shooting FTs but nice block by Tim...again.

[mystargtr34]

Manu is on a mission

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

Nice timmy, get it going again for us

[TDfan2007]

wow and 1 spin move by Tim! For those who don't play much ball that is a rediculously tough shot.

[Spurs Brazil]

Beautiful TD!

[TDfan2007]

lol @ the ref!

"okay I missed it! My fault."

[duncan228]

Duncan perfect at the line.
You know it's a good night.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

lol @ the ref!

"okay I missed it! My fault."

yeah he said it with such conviction :lol

[E20]

I need TD, TP and Manu all to score 20+ points fuck. I want their stats to be padded.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

:lol Damn Elson!

[carina_gino20]

....checking in...damn, manu missed 1 FG? why, manu, why? :lol :dramaquee

[meta2007]

Bucks are crying!

[TDfan2007]

Manu Ginobili has 21 points on only 7 shots!

Tim Duncan has 16 points, 10 boards, and 4 blocks all while only taking 7 shots...

What a clinic by those two tonight. I'm really impressed.

[mystargtr34]

IME!!! TD dominating the game on the defensive end in the second half....grabbing every miss and blocking shots

[duncan228]

I need TD, TP and Manu all to score 20+ points fuck. I want their stats to be padded.

Duncan should be done for the night.
Not gonna see 20 out of him.

[mystargtr34]

Iani Iani Iani Iani Iani!!!!

[CubanMustGo]

89-51 with 3 mins left in the third .. amazing display from the Spurs tonight.

[E20]

Duncan should be done for the night.
Not gonna see 20 out of him.
That's what I am worried about. Timmy's past 3 seasons have him scoring below his career avg. I do not want to see TD's averages go down........it gives me less ammo in 'THE BEST PF' debates.

[duncan228]

I still don't know what I like better.

The blowouts, letting our starters get some rest, letting our deep bench get some minutes...
Or those down to the wire, screaming in the living room, as long as we win, games.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

freakin elson, trade his ass

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

d-wash was goona try to dunk it lol

[duncan228]

That's what I am worried about. Timmy's past 3 seasons have him scoring below his career avg. I do not want to see TD's averages go down........it gives me less ammo in 'THE BEST PF' debates.

You've got all the ammo you need already.
His spot in history is set in stone.
His averages in the end won't matter.
His dominance, his hardware, his game says it all.

[E20]

Manu should be a shoo-in for Sixth man. He's only played 13 minutes and has 21 points on nearly flawless shooting. Manu's Per 48 stats must be in the top 5.

[Admidave50]

this blowout make the game boring lol! i skipped class this morning for this game, at least we toched the buck hard

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

last 3 shots at the basket missed by SA

[E20]

You've got all the ammo you need already.
His spot in history is set in stone.
His averages in the end won't matter.
His dominance, his hardware, his game says it all.
You know people now-a-days they need numbers/style.........ala KG. Which goes to show which team is better, San Antonio over Boston. The Spurs Big 3 hardly need to score/work the way Boston's big 3 is doing.

[Manu20]

Mahinmi time in the 4th Q!!

[CubanMustGo]

Crappy end to the quarter as Elson decides he needs to shoot every time down the court and Milwaukee closes with a 10-0 run.

SA still up by 30 but you know Pop is chewin' some ass right now.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

:smokin pre-fourth

[E20]

Spurs better score over 98 points.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

i dont' get why Elson became so clueless on Offense but he needs to know his role

[dougp]

Man, I wish I could see this game ... blah. Can't wait to see what we can do against the Celtics.

[mystargtr34]

You know people now-a-days they need numbers/style.........ala KG. Which goes to show which team is better, San Antonio over Boston. The Spurs Big 3 hardly need to score/work the way Boston's big 3 is doing.
Thats for school kids to debate... i use to get mad when Timmy would sit or if he struggled with statistics in a regular season game.... it doesnt matter that much anymore because his per-40 minute numbers are still probably the best in the NBA... and his PER is always in the top 5.

And the thing that puts him over the line?

Defense, no stat can record that (blocks are somewhat misleading) and he is one of the best post defenders the game has seen.

Thats putting aside the other minor part of what will define his greatness... rings :smokin

[ThomasGranger]

If Pop has to put his starters back in to stop the bleeding I'm going to be pissed.

[carina_gino20]

wow. Manu with 21pts, 6-9 FG, 3-5 FG, 6-6 FT all in 20 minutes :spin

[MaNuMaNiAc]

man, Bonner and Elson SUCK at finishing

[Admidave50]

Nice block by Ian! The kid can jump

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Ian!

[CubanMustGo]

Bogut loves him some garbage time.

Who knew Ian could hit FTs??

[duncan228]

You know people now-a-days they need numbers/style.........ala KG. Which goes to show which team is better, San Antonio over Boston. The Spurs Big 3 hardly need to score/work the way Boston's big 3 is doing.

Yeah, I know.

People will argue stats all day.
I try to stay out of those battles.

Duncan will be in the top of all PF's to ever play.
He has the Rings, he should have more before he's done.
His tenure in the league has been so dominate, his winning percentage so high, that I don't need stats to cement it for me.
Some people do.

[ThomasGranger]

Mahinmi > Elson

[picnroll]

Mahinmi's FT stroke is waayyyy better. Must be working a lot with Chip.

[Spurs Brazil]

Huge block by Ian

[Darkwaters]

Ian looks pretty good.

[E20]

Spurs third stringers are starting to hemorrhage.

[MagnusKrauss]

its the second unit! :D

also, bonner seems to be having a bad day offensively. but rebound-wise, he's doin fine.

udoka needs more time in the system.

[CubanMustGo]

Bucks have put two starters back in. Put the hammer down Pop.

[E20]

Well, I won me some Vbookie tonight.

[Mr. Body]

If D-Wash gets some confidence, watch out.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

lol, Ian cancelled out bonner's shot.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yi jumper is nice! This kid is going places

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Ian!!!!!!!!!!

[Spurs Brazil]

Ian DUNK

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Yi jumper is nice! This kid is going places
ya, he's got a good shot going for him.

[picnroll]

Yi looks like a real nice player. He's going to beat out Dirk for the 7' with the best stroke.

[CubanMustGo]

Pop is going to have to sub some of the starters back in because the second string's gonna be totally gassed before much longer.

[easjer]

I'm enjoying watching the second/third unit. It's nice to get a chance to see Ian. I'm impressed with what I see - those arms are reminiscent of DRob's. Mmmm. Pretty.

My one complaint is with the complacency at the end of the third. They gave up 10 points in less than 2 minutes, and didn't score on 6 separate possessions. Granted, we were up by 40, and I'm not suggesting they run the score up, but the passivity on D and the shrugs on offense annoy me.

Especially since it was largely second unit - if nothing else, you are playing for playing time - do your best out there!

And yes, I did get the bed changed, two shirts ironed, the laundry sorted into piles (SFIE's, and all of my piles - hang up, put away, still to be ironed). SFIE got everything vacuumed and now I'm going to dust and clean the bathrooms.

[santymrc]

Great game, it was the best game I've saw in a long time.

[ThomasGranger]

Poor Bonner. Everybody else is racking up the points and he's still got zip.

[Walter Craparita]

Ian is looking really good.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Very nice play by Ian!!

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

monster game fer ian

[jmard5]

Ian! Ian! Ian!

[easjer]

Watching Ian has been the highlight of this game. Kid has some way to go, but I'm really excited by the promise he's showing.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Mahinmi WITH THE DUUUUNK!!!!

[Spurs Brazil]

It's the Ian show

[E20]

Ian is working it.

[ShoogarBear]

Dayum. That hook shot was niiiiiiiiice.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Ian!!!!!! Damn... :smokin

[easjer]

I would SO love for Ian to score 5 more points. Seriously. I would die laughing if Ian outscored Timmy to be the highest scorer for the Spurs.

[picnroll]

Maybe Presti did good afterall.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Love Ian trying to dunk it every time.

[ThomasGranger]

Seven Spurs in double figures. When was the last time that happened?

[ShoogarBear]

Manu has 21.

[Sp Ginobili 20]

Ian! And people call the Spurs boring :nope

[mystargtr34]

DAMN.... i went to get lunch for 5 minutes and i come back and Ian has 12 points and 2 blocks ....

[traitoravery]

Damn do we even need Tiago....Elson looks good, Ian looks good, Oberto looks good geez.