Phillip Rivers cant beat a high school team

[Tippecanoe]

the guys as bad as rex grossman. :lmao

no one even touches him and he fumbles it for a colts TD :rollin

[TheSanityAnnex]

scoreboard

[Fabbs]

love the clowns that blame Rivers for the 2nd int.
All he did was hit Gates in the hands between the numbers.

And Joe Montana couldn't do much with Norvs playcalling. Atrocious.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11112007/photos/sports_lede.jpg

He is a great QB. :toast

[ducks]

he beat manny

[peewee's lovechild]

he beat manny

No he didn't.

The Charger Defense beat Manning and the Colts.

Rivers had nothing to do with it.

[samikeyp]

The Charger Defense beat Manning and the Colts.

Them and Darren Sproles.


Somewhere K-State Spur is smiling. :)

[Fillmoe]

rivers = smith part deuce

[ducks]

No he didn't.

The Charger Defense beat Manning and the Colts.

Rivers had nothing to do with it.
he played better then manny

[peewee's lovechild]

he played better then manny

It's hard not to fuck up when you're handing the ball off 95% of the time. And, even then, he managed to fumble the ball when a ghost touched him.

Plus, the offense was only on the field for like 5 minutes.

So, you're an idiot.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It was raining you dipshit. He fumbled because it was wet. When it rains most teams tend to run the ball more.

[ducks]

the ball was wet do to the rain
better then throwing the ball 6 times to the other team

manny's face at the end of the game was awesome



the announcers were soooooooo fucking stupid last night

the colts should have went for it on 4 down and they would have gotten the ball back if their d stopped the chargers to go for the win

stupid coaching and stupid announcer

[peewee's lovechild]

It was raining you dipshit. He fumbled because it was wet. When it rains most teams tend to run the ball more.

So, if a QB goes through a game without fumbling when it's raining, he's like god or something??

And, quit trying to defend Rivers. He's a fucking horrible QB. If you can't see it, you're just a moron.

[peewee's lovechild]

the ball was wet do to the rain
better then throwing the ball 6 times to the other team

manny's face at the end of the game was awesome



the announcers were soooooooo fucking stupid last night

the colts should have went for it on 4 down and they would have gotten the ball back if their d stopped the chargers to go for the win

stupid coaching and stupid announcer

4th down, you haven't been able to get a 1rst down and you still want to go for it?? Nevermind the penalty that set them back 5 more yards.

Douche bag, when you have a kicker with the high percentage that Vinateri has, you kick the god damned field goal.

You know nothing about football.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So, if a QB goes through a game without fumbling when it's raining, he's like god or something??

And, quit trying to defend Rivers. He's a fucking horrible QB. If you can't see it, you're just a moron.
how can you not factor in the rain?

:lol @ you calling me a moron. What about your Addai prediction for this game?

[monosylab1k]

You know nothing about football.
:lmao funny only because of who said it.

[mardigan]

According to Sannity he is by far better than Tony Romo
:lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

According to Sannity he is by far better than Tony Romo
:lolCare to back up this claim? The only time you'll find me saying that would have been last year, where he did play better than Romo.

[Fabbs]

So, if a QB goes through a game without fumbling when it's raining, he's like god or something??

And, quit trying to defend Rivers. He's a fucking horrible QB. If you can't see it, you're just a moron.
Same morons who thought these other chumps would be good.

PRivers' stats (just his 24 starts thru MN):
426 for 691 (62%) 5,027 yards, 32 TDs, 17 INT, 89.0 passer rating

Joe Montana 24 starts:
455 for 715 (64%), 4,887 yards, 29 TDs, 18 INT, 86.6 passer rating
(Montana's first 24 starts were spread out over three seasons)

Brett Favre 24 starts:
484 for 765 (63%), 4,984 yards, 29 TDs, 27 INT, 79.9 passer rating

Peyton Manning 24 starts:
492 for 851 (58%), 6,021 yards, 41 TDs, 37 INT, 77.7 passer rating

[ducks]

It's hard not to fuck up when you're handing the ball off 95% of the time. And, even then, he managed to fumble the ball when a ghost touched him.

Plus, the offense was only on the field for like 5 minutes.

So, you're an idiot.
he did not had the ball off enough in the second half last night did you watch the game

[Fillmoe]

I don't think Rivers is horrible, hes just a decent QB. He could flourish into a good QB, that could lead a team to a super bowl win. Sometimes hes great but then some games hes down right awful.

[TheSanityAnnex]

He's looked bad in every game this year.

I'm not sure if it has to do with the coaches changing his release or the way Turner is running this offense. Rivers had success last year because Tomlinson and the Oline had an excellent year, which allowed Rivers to use the play action more. He looks to jittery in the pocket right now.

[ducks]

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By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports
November 12, 2007





HotNotComprehendDiatribeE(mail)Text/IMSAN DIEGO – As the San Diego Chargers filed into their locker room following their dramatic, 23-21 victory over the second-best team in football Sunday night, there was no pretense of triumph. The celebration, if you could call it that, was subdued and almost sheepish.

Despite having defeated the defending Super Bowl champion Indianapolis Colts – their first victory of the 2007 season over a team with a winning record, and one that moved them into sole possession of first place in the AFC West – San Diego's players reacted like a bunch of biologists who had just received an award for proving that humans need air to survive.

Then, as few others can, Chargers coach Norv Turner sucked the remaining air out of the locker room, telling his players, and I paraphrase: This could be the game that gives us the momentum we need to do something special. Even though we did a lot of things wrong, we still found a way to win, and we can build on that.

Just like that, the Chargers were on a roll – specifically, the eye-rolls that many players felt like giving during Turner's speech.

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Right, coach. Whatever you say.

More realistically, Sunday's victory was a one-shot gift from the football gods, an oddly unsatisfying offering that merely reminded the Chargers (5-4) how far they are from being what they thought they were two short months ago.

Consider these staggering numbers:

• Thanks to a pair of touchdown returns by Darren Sproles, one on the game's opening kickoff and another on a punt, the Chargers held a 16-0 lead before they completed their first pass (which didn't happen until 1:27 remained in the first quarter).

• Peyton Manning threw six interceptions. Six! Second-year cornerback Antonio Cromartie, a player making his first NFL start, had three alone – in the first half. Even when the longshots are coming in at Del Mar, you won't encounter a more unlikely Pick-Six in these parts.

• Adam Vinatieri missed a pair of 'Oh No He Din't' field goals: a rushed 42-yarder just before halftime (somewhat understandable, especially given the wet weather) and a 29-yarder that went wide right with 1:31 to go (utterly unconscionable). That's right – Vinatieri, the most clutch kicker of this or perhaps any era, practically had his quarterback screaming "Noonan!" as he went completely out of character and handed San Diego a game it had appeared to blow.

• Most significant of all, the Chargers had one extremely frustrated franchise halfback at game's end.

"At some point things have got to change for us, because what we're doing now is not good enough," LaDainian Tomlinson said quietly as he dressed at his locker. "The way we're going, we're not going to be able to beat the elite teams in the league. I mean, we beat one tonight, and we're happy. But it has to get better."

Last year, after their 14-2 regular season, the Chargers thought they were an elite team with a seemingly boundless window of opportunity. Then they failed to put away the Patriots in a divisional round playoff game at home, and in the aftermath of that defeat, San Diego's world began to spin off its axis.

Coordinators Wade Phillips (Dallas Cowboys) and Cam Cameron (Miami Dolphins) got head coaching jobs, and position coaches left to be coordinators. Belatedly, coach Marty Schottenheimer was fired, the casualty of a power struggle with general manager A.J. Smith.

In came Turner, who thus far has done everything to show that his 59-82-1 career record as a head coach with the Redskins and Raiders was no fluke.

The players don't respond to his leadership or motivational tactics, if you can call them that. They view his sideline demeanor as frazzled and indecisive. And, perhaps worst of all, they're not embracing the strategic vision put forth on offense (by Turner, regarded as one of the NFL's best play-callers) or defense (by coordinator Ted Cottrell).

"We have the best running back in football, and yet we don't sense a commitment to the running game," one veteran said Sunday night. "Last year, teams put eight in the box against us, and we ran anyway – and found a way to be successful. That set up the play action, which fueled our passing game. This year, it seems like we run because we're supposed to; it balances out our passing attack. But it's not like being physical at the point of attack and running the ball is our personality."

Meanwhile, eight days ago in Minneapolis, the Chargers' once-vaunted defense got pushed around and gave up 296 rushing yards – to one player, the Vikings' Adrian Peterson. "A lot of guys were wondering how we could sit back and play zone all game while he was doing that to us," another Chargers veteran said. "It's like Cottrell is going to do it his way, and that's the only way he knows, and he won't come off of it. If you look at it, he's been fired from his last two jobs, and guys are questioning whether he's the right man for this one."

This internal doubt is the byproduct of a power-hungry general manager's grand plan. Once Schotteneimer was gone, Smith seemed to base his search for a new head coach on the following criteria:

Someone who recognized Smith as the franchise's all-knowing authority on all things football, and a man who could draw up plays that allowed the awesome assemblage of talent Smith has collected to overwhelm overmatched opponents.

It didn't work out that way, of course, beginning with the fact that the fiery, emotional Schottenheimer wasn't so easily replaced with a man who lacks his charisma and aura of authority.

"Norv's not going to give you a Knute Rockne speech," said one Chargers player, "so you're going to have to find a different way to get yourself up. Look at it this way: We had a lot of young guys who came straight from college and then played for Marty. In some cases, they had eight consecutive years of a coach screaming at you and telling you what to do and how to do it. Now you're all of a sudden supposed to be a professional and do it on your own? Also, a lot of the key veterans who were here before (Donnie Edwards, Randall Godfrey, Keenan McCardell) are gone now. So it's going to be an adjustment."

Turner didn't help himself Sunday by coaching passively with a lead and by mismanaging his replay challenges in a potentially ruinous way. He was goaded into one unsuccessful challenge in the first half when fans loudly responded to what they believed was a poor call on Colts linebacker Clint Session's acrobatic end zone interception. Turner missed again with 10:57 remaining, throwing the red flag following Reggie Wayne's low, 20-yard catch on third-and-8 from the Indy 3-yard line.

That meant that when Turner really needed to challenge a call, on another Sessions interception with 5:50 to go that looked like it might have been reversible, he had no red flag to throw. Turner might as well have raised a white one as Manning, given yet another chance to win a game he had no business winning, jogged onto the field down two points with the ball at the San Diego 42.

Only a replay reversal on a first-down spot (mandated by the officials, as it occurred in the final two minutes) and Vinatieri's miss spared San Diego the agony that seemed imminent.

In the locker room after the game, two Chargers stood near the door to the training room discussing Turner's poor handling of the challenges. Another wondered how quarterback Philip Rivers (13-for-24, 104 yards, two interceptions and one horrific fumble in his own end zone) seems to be regressing under the coaching regime of a man renowned for his ability to nurture young passers.

Even the San Diego defensive players, who had responded to the embarrassing effort against the Vikings with an emphatic display of relentless energy and opportunism, weren't buying Turner's spin that Sunday's effort was the start of something big.

"I'm happy with a win, of course, and it puts us in first place, but we know we've still got a long road ahead," All-Pro nose tackle Jamal Williams said. "You've got to understand, we got a new coaching staff. They've got to get used to us, too, and it takes time. But we've all got to get it together, man. It's not last year. I'm tired of hearing guys say that – 'Last year, last year.' That's over. We need to figure out who we are now."

The Chargers, to GM Smith's credit, are a team full of promising young studs like Cromartie, who has a chance to be a star at a position that tends to cannibalize even its most talented performers. But when you think about this team's window of opportunity, realize that LT, the reigning league MVP, is now 28 and counting.

Given that Tomlinson's seventh season, from a team perspective, has been a significant step backward from his sixth, he has every right to be worried that his window is closing more rapidly than an Adrian Peterson burst through the San Diego secondary.

"Yeah, definitely, that's the way I feel," he said. "Nobody knows how long I'm going to play, so heck yeah, I definitely think about that."

I can't be 100 percent sure, but something tells me that neither the rare Vinatieri shank nor the mundane Turner speech put his mind at ease.

I'm hot 'cause I'm fly …•For all of the positive things the Jacksonville Jaguars have done this season, their oddly benign performance in the opener – getting outrushed by the Tennessee Titans, 282-75 yards, in a 13-10 defeat at home – remained a sticking point with the team's veteran leaders. On Saturday, before heading to Nashville for the rematch with their physical AFC South foes, the Jags listened to a speech by linebacker Mike Peterson that underscored the importance of standing up to the Titans. "Every Saturday coach (Jack) Del Rio asks a veteran to speak from his heart, and Mike drove home the importance of visualizing success and committing to each other," halfback Fred Taylor said by phone after the game. "He talked as if someone had done something to his family. Man, I was juiced up. I was ready to play. I was just hoping I didn't peak too early." He didn't. Taylor became the 21st NFL back to reach 10,000 career rushing yards, while Maurice Jones-Drew (19 carries, 101 yards) led a ground attack that out-gained Tennessee's, 166-62. The Titans had entered the game with the league's top rushing defense. Now both teams are 6-3, a game behind the first-place Colts in what definitely is the league's toughest division. .

• Meanwhile, because of the relative lack of strength of various other divisions, teams like the Atlanta Falcons (3-6) can still entertain playoff hopes after pulling out a 17-10 victory at Carolina on Joey Harrington's 30-yard touchdown pass to tight end Alge Crumpler with 33 seconds remaining. Last-place Atlanta, which has won two in a row, trails the first-place Tampa Bay Buccaneers (5-4) by just two games, prompting wideout Joe Horn to say (via text message): "We always had a good team. The guys just refused to get our asses whipped anymore. We gave six games away. But now we're gonna resurface."

• Kurt Warner is one of the nicest dudes in football (or anywhere else), a man so considerate he won't put his seat back on an airplane for fear of bumming out the passenger behind him. But he was a holy terror after throwing a first-quarter interception against the Lions Sunday, launching himself and his injured left elbow, complete with the bulky brace, at safety Kenoy Kennedy to bring him down at the Cardinals' 25. Then Warner settled into a 26 for 36, 259-yard, three-touchdown performance that helped Arizona (4-5) to a 31-21 victory over the Lions. The Cardinals, who are a half-game behind NFC West leading Seattle (now that's a truly weak division), terrorized the Lions (6-3) on defense, with linebacker Karlos Dansby intercepting two passes and Arizona limiting Detroit to minus-18 rushing yards, the league's lowest total in 51 years.

• Dick Nolan, rest in peace, and our prayers are with Mike Nolan and the rest of the family. For those readers who have asked, I grew up a 49ers fan, beginning with the teams the elder Nolan coached into the playoffs in the 1970, '71 and '72 seasons. Crushing defeats to the Cowboys took San Francisco out of all three of those postseasons. On Dec. 23, 1972, the same day as the Immaculate Reception, Roger Staubach came off the bench and led Dallas back from a 12-point deficit in the final two minutes. That one hurt until "The Catch" numbed the pain nine seasons later, but I fondly remember those teams for their exciting offenses (quarterback John Brodie, running back Vic Washington, tight end Ted Kwalick and deep threat Gene Washington were the stalwarts) and defensive playmakers (Jimmy Johnson, Bruce Taylor, Dave Wilcox and Cedrick Hardman). In the pre-Bill Walsh era, that mini-run was as good as it got for that franchise.

• Back to the Chargers: When Tomlinson charged onto the field with his teammates just before Sunday night's game, he was overcome with regret: He realized his wife, LaTorsha, had already sung the national anthem. "I thought for some reason we'd be out there when she performed it," Tomlinson said after the game. "Man, I wish I could've heard it." LT-squared, as LT calls his wife, nailed the The Star-Spangled Banner like a pro, taking her time and offering a soulful, throaty rendition despite the fireworks and the obligatory military-jet flyover that could've been very distracting. The bottom line: The Tomlinsons are going to have some seriously talented kids.

• The Rams' offense finally resembled its reputed self on Sunday, and the result was its first victory of the season: a 37-29 road triumph over the Saints, who now have to wonder if that four-game winning streak was season-saving or merely a giant tease. With the 49ers (2-6 heading into Monday night's game at Seattle) coming up next week, one St. Louis player felt sufficiently giddy to joke afterward, "We're on our way! Watch out San Fran." Meanwhile, in Miami, where the Dolphins (0-9) squandered a 10-2 fourth-quarter lead and lost to Buffalo, 13-10, it just got awfully cold and lonely.

[mardigan]

Care to back up this claim? The only time you'll find me saying that would have been last year, where he did play better than Romo.


I was just pointing out Rivers had much to do with their success last season. And although they both made the Pro Bowl, Rivers is much better and will be much, much, much better than Romo.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67108&page=2&pp=26&highlight=tony+romo

[TheSanityAnnex]

The only time you'll find me saying that would have been last year, where he did play better than Romo.

[mardigan]

So the whole will be much, much better doesnt apply? :lol Whatever man, spin shit however you like

[TheSanityAnnex]

At the time I posted that, I had no clue Norv's offense and the crappy play of the Oline would affect his play so much. I still think he'll be better than Romo though.

[peewee's lovechild]

how can you not factor in the rain?

:lol @ you calling me a moron. What about your Addai prediction for this game?

I made a prediction about Addai on this game?

[peewee's lovechild]

Same morons who thought these other chumps would be good.

PRivers' stats (just his 24 starts thru MN):
426 for 691 (62%) 5,027 yards, 32 TDs, 17 INT, 89.0 passer rating

Joe Montana 24 starts:
455 for 715 (64%), 4,887 yards, 29 TDs, 18 INT, 86.6 passer rating
(Montana's first 24 starts were spread out over three seasons)

Brett Favre 24 starts:
484 for 765 (63%), 4,984 yards, 29 TDs, 27 INT, 79.9 passer rating

Peyton Manning 24 starts:
492 for 851 (58%), 6,021 yards, 41 TDs, 37 INT, 77.7 passer rating

If you're comparing Rivers to these three guys . . .

Whatever, I'm not even going to argue this.

[peewee's lovechild]

how can you not factor in the rain?


Using that excuse, the rain made Manning throw interceptions.

You know, becuase the ball is slick and all that.

So, the Charger Defense doesn't deserve credit for anything that happened this past Sunday.

I'm glad we could clarify that.

[peewee's lovechild]

he did not had the ball off enough in the second half last night did you watch the game

Which brings me back to my original point where I said that it was the Charger Defense that won the game, not Phillip Rivers.

[peewee's lovechild]

So the whole will be much, much better doesnt apply? :lol Whatever man, spin shit however you like


And, quit trying to defend Rivers. He's a fucking horrible QB. If you can't see it, you're just a moron.

[peewee's lovechild]

According to Sannity he is by far better than Tony Romo


Care to back up this claim? The only time you'll find me saying that would have been last year, where he did play better than Romo.


At the time I posted that, I had no clue Norv's offense and the crappy play of the Oline would affect his play so much. I still think he'll be better than Romo though.


What just happened here?

[TheSanityAnnex]

you just missed the consecutive posts record by one

[peewee's lovechild]

you just missed the consecutive posts record by one

Nice deflection there.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I made a prediction about Addai on this game?Yes, you said he run for 2,000 yards against the Chargers. He ran for 56.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Using that excuse, the rain made Manning throw interceptions.

You know, becuase the ball is slick and all that.

So, the Charger Defense doesn't deserve credit for anything that happened this past Sunday.

I'm glad we could clarify that.You'd still have to credit the Charger defense for catching the slick ball, and all that.:smokin

[peewee's lovechild]

You'd still have to credit the Charger defense for catching the slick ball, and all that.:smokin

By that rationale, the entire Charger Defense would make for a better QB than Phillip Rivers.

[peewee's lovechild]

Yes, you said he run for 2,000 yards against the Chargers. He ran for 56.

Oh yea, that was believable.

[J.T.]

If the Chargers don't fuck themselves out of their slim division lead (go ahead and thank the Colts now for that +1 in KC's loss column coming on Sunday) and end up playing the Colts, Peyton's line is going to be something like 28-30, 450 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs. Grudge matches are a bitch.

But I still don't think Norv Turner can get this team to the playoffs. I don't know what's left for him to screw up in SD, maybe a steroids scandal... oh wait.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Oh yea, that was believable.But you were making a statement that the Chargers D would get trampled.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If the Chargers don't fuck themselves out of their slim division lead (go ahead and thank the Colts now for that +1 in KC's loss column coming on Sunday) and end up playing the Colts, Peyton's line is going to be something like 28-30, 450 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs. Grudge matches are a bitch.

But I still don't think Norv Turner can get this team to the playoffs. I don't know what's left for him to screw up in SD, maybe a steroids scandal... oh wait.
I don't see the Chargers losing their division, which scares me in a way. I think squeaking into the playoffs is the worst thing for this team because it then allows AJ Smith to justify not firing Norv.

If the Chargers do play the Colts again I don't see it ending up anything like what you've predicted. For some reason we've got your number. You'll have your starters back, which will help Peyton tremendously, but we'll also have many of our starters back.

[Extra Stout]

If the Chargers don't fuck themselves out of their slim division lead (go ahead and thank the Colts now for that +1 in KC's loss column coming on Sunday) and end up playing the Colts, Peyton's line is going to be something like 28-30, 450 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs. Grudge matches are a bitch.

But I still don't think Norv Turner can get this team to the playoffs. I don't know what's left for him to screw up in SD, maybe a steroids scandal... oh wait.
SD makes the playoffs by default, even if they finish 8-8. KC, Denver, and Oakland are all horrific football teams.

[Purple & Gold]

At least he's better than Alex Smith.

[peewee's lovechild]

But you were making a statement that the Chargers D would get trampled.

They played well against an offense that was operating with one starting WR and a back up TE.

Congrats.

[koopa]

i think rivers sucks too, and not just cause this season, i thought he sucked coming out of college, i was so happy when the giants picked him and shipped him to san diego, cause if the steelers would've been forced to take him then i'd be boycotting the nfl until he left them

[TheSanityAnnex]

They played well against an offense that was operating with one starting WR and a back up TE.

Congrats.So? The chargers d was missing three starters, including a pro bowl d lineman.

Congrats.

[dirk4mvp]

Way to throw a game losing INT! You rock!

[monosylab1k]

:lmao

[peewee's lovechild]

Hey, TSA . . . my fantasy footbal team has a message for your defense. Here it is:

:flipoff