Duncan at the rim

[SenorSpur]

I'm about to do the unthinkable. I'm about to criticize our future hall-of-famer and franchise icon, Tim Duncan.

Sure he struggled offensively versus the Fakers. He had an off night. We all saw that. That's perfectly understandable. However, there is absolutely NO excuse for him putting up that weak shit around the rim. Kobe Bryant and Rony Turiaf should NEVER be able to block a Duncan shot.

Even if his outside shots are off or if he's getting doubled in the post. Just FINISH STRONG AT THE RIM! A dunk, any dunk, will usually energize himself and the team.

For years, D-Rob was labeled soft. Say what you want about Big Dave, but he ALMOST ALWAYS finished his shots at or near the rim with a two-hand jam.

My rant is over now.

[E20]

Tim isn't that athletic enough any more to finish strong at the rim anymore against big guys like Turiaf and freak athletes like Kobe. If Tim plays it smart and can work guys like Turiaf, which he is fully capable of, then he could land himself a trip to the FT line.

Tim is not a freak of an athelete by nature compared to other PF's/C's; the atheleticism he had, has deteoriated with age and his knee/ankle/PF injuries.

Sort of like Kareem, Tim needs to stop going to the power moves which require atheleticism and use more of his fundamentals, footwork, pump fakes and BBall IQ when at the rim.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tim has become a passive biatch

show us teh alpha male in you and go up strong, we dont need a fuckn jam or anything, go hard of go home in the first round

[J.T.]

He is saving his A game for Thursday. Triple double comin' at ya!

[v2freak]

I hope you're right J.T.

[bdictjames]

Hey we won. Duncan knows that. And yall say stats dont count shit.

[Kamnik]

He is bored about the regular season...

A win or loss to the Lakers means shit to him.

I cant blame him to be a little passive... His time comes may and june.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Tim isn't that athletic enough any more to finish strong at the rim anymore against big guys like Turiaf and freak athletes like Kobe. If Tim plays it smart and can work guys like Turiaf, which he is fully capable of, then he could land himself a trip to the FT line.

Tim is not a freak of an athelete by nature compared to other PF's/C's; the atheleticism he had, has deteoriated with age and his knee/ankle/PF injuries.

Sort of like Kareem, Tim needs to stop going to the power moves which require atheleticism and use more of his fundamentals, footwork, pump fakes and BBall IQ when at the rim.

Well said.

His footwork used to be far superior to what it is now, I think. He used to have a killer drop-step but hardly ever uses it any more. He had a running baby hook. Where is that? He had a shimmy fake, sorta like the Danny manning up and under step through... but no more.

I was watching 1999 Finals game 1 tonight enjoying the quickness Tim used to have. I still think he's an incredible player, but I want to see offense like he played against the Hornets every night - use your full bag of tricks, Timmy! Oh, and finish strong (doesn't necessarily mean dunk, just take it up hard!).

And yeah, hope you're right JT. Love to see him bring his A game agaainst Dallas and Houston and put those biyatches in their place. ;)

[urunobili]

Chill guys... he is saving it for the playoffs.. give the guy a break and let the team develop before he turns it on...

[101A]

Chill guys... he is saving it for the playoffs.. give the guy a break and let the team develop before he turns it on...The Playoffs?

It's only November, and we just hung a double digit-pick-your-margin beatdown of a playoff contender playing decent ball!

Go watch tapes of the Phoenix series and chill.

[exstatic]

He's been emulating Horry the last few years, with the lazy game before January. A lot of those blocks were also by the help defenders. That attention to Tim opened up the rest of the offense, and we rained 3 pointers on their asses all second half.

If a team is going to totally take him out of the offense this time of year, he's going to let them, and Manu and Tony will rule the day. That won't be the case in the playoffs.

[DAINTX]

You guys are smoking crack. TD is still one of the elite NBA players and there is not a coach in the league who would not kill to have him. Top ten player minimum; top five in many opinions; and some would opt to start their team with him. He is still capable of dominating on any night and you'll see plenty of that as the season moves on. He didn't have to exert himself last night and, as a vet who understands every situation, why would he?

[J.T.]

You guys are smoking crack. TD is still one of the elite NBA players and there is not a coach in the league who would not kill to have him. Top ten player minimum; top five in many opinions; and some would opt to start their team with him. He is still capable of dominating on any night and you'll see plenty of that as the season moves on. He didn't have to exert himself last night and, as a vet who understands every situation, why would he?

I don't think any coach would kill to have Duncan on their team because they wouldn't be able to coach him from prison.

[bigfan]

I have a gut feeling Timmy will play damn good against the Mavs.

[41times]

In anticipation of Thursday's game i kept checking the score of Spurs game last night. On the surface it looked like a terrific win by the Spurs.

But when i read the box score i noted 3 glaring stats:

1. Bruce Bowen went NUTs from 3 pt.
2. Tim Duncan had a horrible game
3. Spurs shoot 93% from FT line.

As a Mavs fan I follow the Spurs pretty closely because i realize the road to the Title goes through San Antonio.

And i will say that all 3 of those things are not normal. Yeah Bruce can make some shots but not 100% and I can't recall a game where Timmy had that bad of a shooting line and the Spurs don't usually shoot above 75-80% free throws.

So Bowen saves the day for a big win. Meanwhile the Mavs managed to pull out a win over the mediocre 76ers. Thereby setting up yet another monumental showdown on Thursday. I expect Duncan's game to wake up on Thursday as usual.

I look for the Big 3 for each team to do what they do best on Thursday. I can't wait.

I buy season tickets for 2 reasons:

1. Playoffs
2. Big games like Thursday

Prediction...........Another great game!

[Mitch Cumsteen]

The box score doesn't tell the story. Bowen was wide open on every one of those threes. He's just sitting in the corner waiting for the ball to come out to him. The Lakers had no answer for Parker's penetration and he just killed them on drive and kicks. It wasn't just Bowen. Bonner was getting wide open looks. Finley was getting wide open looks (even though he missed most of them early). The Lakers decided to pack it in on the Spurs and make them beat them from outside. The Spurs obliged.

I actually like it that Duncan had such a poor effort prior to the Mavs game. He usually responds pretty well after something like this.

[SenorSpur]

You guys are smoking crack. TD is still one of the elite NBA players and there is not a coach in the league who would not kill to have him. Top ten player minimum; top five in many opinions; and some would opt to start their team with him. He is still capable of dominating on any night and you'll see plenty of that as the season moves on. He didn't have to exert himself last night and, as a vet who understands every situation, why would he?

Don't confuse the point. No one is questioning Tim's greatness or his status. The point is he's recently shown a penchant for throwing up some lazy shots that are getting swatted back in his face. I just want to see him punish defenders in the low block in his typical Duncan-like fashion.

I'm not just talking about last night either. It makes no sense for a 7-ft player to be shooting layups when he's near the rim. He needs to finish strong around the rim. Dunk the damn basketball!

[spurscenter]

so funny

TD is tha man

he is all right

team was coasting with manu at the helm and parker

hes cool, relax

we got a solid team

[thispego]

Hey we won. Duncan knows that. And yall say stats dont count shit.
no shit! :rolleyes

[thispego]

In anticipation of Thursday's game i kept checking the score of Spurs game last night. On the surface it looked like a terrific win by the Spurs.

But when i read the box score i noted 3 glaring stats:

1. Bruce Bowen went NUTs from 3 pt.
2. Tim Duncan had a horrible game
3. Spurs shoot 93% from FT line.

As a Mavs fan I follow the Spurs pretty closely because i realize the road to the Title goes through San Antonio.

And i will say that all 3 of those things are not normal. Yeah Bruce can make some shots but not 100% and I can't recall a game where Timmy had that bad of a shooting line and the Spurs don't usually shoot above 75-80% free throws.

So Bowen saves the day for a big win. Meanwhile the Mavs managed to pull out a win over the mediocre 76ers. Thereby setting up yet another monumental showdown on Thursday. I expect Duncan's game to wake up on Thursday as usual.

I look for the Big 3 for each team to do what they do best on Thursday. I can't wait.

I buy season tickets for 2 reasons:

1. Playoffs
2. Big games like Thursday

Prediction...........Another great game!
lol, who's yall's big three now? please include harris :lmao

[howbouthemspurs]

He is simply saving his legs for the playoffs like he always does. he usually makes that kind of shot.. just that in this case Kobe timed it perfect. watch duncan go for 30 and 15 in the next game.

[hitmanyr2k]

He is bored about the regular season...

A win or loss to the Lakers means shit to him.

I cant blame him to be a little passive... His time comes may and june.

That's a weak excuse. It's beyond weak. If you're not competitive then what the hell are you out on the court for? If Duncan is going put in half-hearted effort (ala Shaq) while his teammates are bustin their ass trying to win games then he should sit his bored, disinterested ass on the bench.

[telecomguy]

That's a weak excuse. It's beyond weak. If you're not competitive then what the hell are you out on the court for? If Duncan is going put in half-hearted effort (ala Shaq) while his teammates are bustin their ass trying to win games then he should sit his bored, disinterested ass on the bench.

I am sure he was trying but he just had an off day. He played pretty good defence in the first half when they were neck & neck (3 blocks), so despite his awful offensive play, he was still important in the victory. When Duncan was on the floor, the LA bigs (Mihm, Kwame, Bynum) couldn't get much in the paint against TD as I recall. He will be much more active and aggressive against the Mavs and Rockets when the Spurs will really need him.

[samikeyp]

It makes no sense for a 7-ft player to be shooting layups when he's near the rim. He needs to finish strong around the rim. Dunk the damn basketball!

Why? Is a dunk worth more?

I agree about finishing strong but layup, dunk, it doesn't matter...as long as it goes in.

[41times]

lol, who's yall's big three now? please include harris :lmao

Typical arrogant Spurs fan response above.

Dallas Big 3 are:

Dirk
Howard
Terry

and they are the 2nd most productive 3 in the league behind Celtics and are averaging:

64.3 PPG
17.0 RPG
11.6 APG
3.5 T/O pg

vs. Spurs Big 3:

Duncan
Ginobli
Parker

who are averaging:

55.4 PPG
17.8 RPG
13.0 APG
6.5 T/O pg

Know your stats before you make a fool of yourself. Now laugh it up funny boy. :idiot

[samikeyp]

Typical arrogant Spurs fan response above.

Typical ignorant statement lumping all Spurs fans together.

[thispego]

Typical arrogant Spurs fan response above.

Dallas Big 3 are:

Dirk
Howard
Terry

and they are the 2nd most productive 3 in the league behind Celtics and are averaging:

64.3 PPG
17.0 RPG
11.6 APG
3.5 T/O pg

vs. Spurs Big 3:

Duncan
Ginobli
Parker

who are averaging:

55.4 PPG
17.8 RPG
13.0 APG
6.5 T/O pg

Know your stats before you make a fool of yourself. Now laugh it up funny boy. :idiot
pppfffftttt what the fuck does that matter? we're getting the points we need from the rest of our team. Even if our big 3 were'nt head and shoulders better than your big 3... the rest of our team still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of your team


big 3, hahahah, laughable... and sorry, but Terry is playing above his abilities right now.. expect him to come back down shortly

[thispego]

Typical ignorant statement lumping all Spurs fans together.
i dont think thats what he was doing perfessor


plus .... i dont see how i was being arrogant, just getting my chuckles at devin harris' expense

[player_twister]

TIMMY D. just stay Injury Free.........

[diego]

spurs big 3, minutes: 96.2

mavs big 3, minutes: 99.9

and all you've got to show for it is +9ppg and a slightly higher a/to ratio. in other words, nice offense.

but wait!
spurs big 3 + 3.38 blocks, 4.24 steals
mavs big 3 +2.17 blocks, 2.26 steals

we're almost doubling your defensive production, in less time. that has to hurt

[nfg3]

Way too early in the season for me to really get worked up about this. Frankly I love the fact that his miutes are down and he is deferring to others. Hopefully this will allow other players to develop faster making us stronger later in the season. But if this continues through our "Rodeo Road Trip" then I will be concerned. I really see this as an aberation rather than a develpoing trend.

[Soul_Patch]

Difference between dunking it under the rim and laying it up soft, is that a layup or a tip in has much more of a chance to be blocked or defended against. if you are jumping and throwing the ball through the hoop, has much mroe force behind it, and more of a chance for those block attempts to become and 1's instead of 0's...

i agree, tim has the moves, but is lacking the tenacity the last few games to finish...just needs to get his head on straight sometimes.

[DDS4]

I think Tim is entitled to a few free passes during the regular season.

As long as he's not injured, Tim will bring it during the playoffs.

[Soul_Patch]

I think Tim is entitled to a few free passes during the regular season.

As long as he's not injured, Tim will bring it during the playoffs.



Entitlement or not, he is getting paid millions of dollars to bring it every single night...it isnt out of line for people to question is tactics after seeing a couple of poor showings, that and i think we are used to seeing so much better.

I think Duncan himself is probably not happy with his performance, and looking to change it asap...He is a competitor every single night, and i doubt mentally he was saying, oh im going to slack tonight, cause i can...thats just not how top tier athletes think...

[dbreiden83080]

Tim isn't that athletic enough any more to finish strong at the rim anymore against big guys like Turiaf and freak athletes like Kobe.

Yes he is, he had a bad night that is all it was. Watch tape of him against the Suns in game 6 to see proof his movement and athletic ability is just fine. I never saw a guy more active on D for 40 min maybe ever. His movement and ability to finish on offense is fine, he has never been a big dunk guy anyway. You'll see on Thurs against the Mavs he will play a great game.

[SenorSpur]

Why? Is a dunk worth more?

I agree about finishing strong but layup, dunk, it doesn't matter...as long as it goes in.

Of course not. I'm just imploring him to set a tone. Get an "And 1". I just don't want to see my franchise player going "soft" to the hole. Finish strong.

[spursfan09]

Whatever who cares. Its reg season. The moment he starts to pull this in the post season though, its the moment I'll start questioning his competitiveness.

[urunobili]

Typical arrogant Spurs fan response above.

Dallas Big 3 are:

Dirk
Howard
Terry

and they are the 2nd most productive 3 in the league behind Celtics and are averaging:

64.3 PPG
17.0 RPG
11.6 APG
3.5 T/O pg

vs. Spurs Big 3:

Duncan
Ginobli
Parker

who are averaging:

55.4 PPG
17.8 RPG
13.0 APG
6.5 T/O pg

Know your stats before you make a fool of yourself. Now laugh it up funny boy. :idiot

Dallas has a big three? since when?

TD+TP+Manu = 10 Rings

Dirk+Josh +Jason =..... well... you know...

go try to shut us down somewhere else... you'll be owned for centuries and the more you try the more it hurts...

let's just talk about Romo and we'll all be friends
:devil

[41times]

pppfffftttt what the fuck does that matter? we're getting the points we need from the rest of our team. Even if our big 3 were'nt head and shoulders better than your big 3... the rest of our team still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of your team


big 3, hahahah, laughable... and sorry, but Terry is playing above his abilities right now.. expect him to come back down shortly

First of all the stats prove that your big 3 is not better than ours. You just choose to ignore them.

Secondly, Terry will probably win 6th man of the year this year.

And lastly, the rest of your team, beyond your big 3 is average at best and our bench is as good or better and deeper.

The overall stats show that currently

We Shoot a higher percentage from the field
You shoot higher from 3 pt.
We shoot a higher percentage from the line.
Rebound the same as yours
Assist are the same
You get more steals
We get more blocks
You turn it over 1 less

We average 102.4 ppg and allow 95.0
You averaage 99.0 ppg and allow 89.8

The stats are pretty darn even. Which is why the games are so competitive.
Although it should be noted the Mavs have won 9 of the last 15 against you.
And that is what we are talking about this week, a head to head game.

And i appologize for lumping all Spurs fans into the category as arrogant. My wife is from there and she will tell you that only about half are arrogant.

The other half realize that the 2 best teams in the league for the last 5 years are the Spurs and the Mavs and it is a shame that they can't meet in the finals.

[Soul_Patch]

The other half realize that the 2 best teams in the league for the last 5 years are the Spurs and the Mavs and it is a shame that they can't meet in the finals.

I still look forward to a rematch of the 06 series...and i agree with your wife, even though i cant stand the mavs.

[E20]

I'd like to see how the Spurs squad would fare in today's leauge for about 10 games w/o Duncan, for experimental purposes. Put TD on the I/R for an 'ailment' or 'injury' and see how the team does with Tony and Manu being the main guns. I'd be pretty optimistic actually, probably a 7-3 or 6-4 record.

[peskypesky]

Tim isn't that athletic enough any more to finish strong at the rim anymore against big guys like Turiaf and freak athletes like Kobe. If Tim plays it smart and can work guys like Turiaf, which he is fully capable of, then he could land himself a trip to the FT line.

Tim is not a freak of an athelete by nature compared to other PF's/C's; the atheleticism he had, has deteoriated with age and his knee/ankle/PF injuries.

Sort of like Kareem, Tim needs to stop going to the power moves which require atheleticism and use more of his fundamentals, footwork, pump fakes and BBall IQ when at the rim.

Is that you, Pop?

[Rummpd]

Chill. Duncan has started out slow in seasons and had "embarrassing games on rare occassions for years" but rarely does he ever have two bad ones in a row. There is still no one better despite all the pub Garnett is getting at the PF.

[peskypesky]

He's been emulating Horry the last few years, with the lazy game before January. A lot of those blocks were also by the help defenders. That attention to Tim opened up the rest of the offense, and we rained 3 pointers on their asses all second half.

If a team is going to totally take him out of the offense this time of year, he's going to let them, and Manu and Tony will rule the day. That won't be the case in the playoffs.

Another intelligent analysis. I have hope for this forum after all!

[peskypesky]

Entitlement or not, he is getting paid millions of dollars to bring it every single night...it isnt out of line for people to question is tactics after seeing a couple of poor showings, that and i think we are used to seeing so much better.

I think Duncan himself is probably not happy with his performance, and looking to change it asap...He is a competitor every single night, and i doubt mentally he was saying, oh im going to slack tonight, cause i can...thats just not how top tier athletes think...

I disagree. Duncan knows the NBA season is a marathon, not a sprint. He knows how to pace himself. You better believe that.

[diego]

First of all the stats prove that your big 3 is not better than ours. You just choose to ignore them.

Secondly, Terry will probably win 6th man of the year this year.

And lastly, the rest of your team, beyond your big 3 is average at best and our bench is as good or better and deeper.

....

The stats are pretty darn even. Which is why the games are so competitive.
Although it should be noted the Mavs have won 9 of the last 15 against you.
And that is what we are talking about this week, a head to head game.


ok, let me get this straight.... thispego is ignoring the stats, yet when i showed you that our big 3 defensively is >>> yours, while yours is only > our offensively, and you ignored that completely. and somehow, that proves that our big 3 isnt better (nevermind the most important stat, 10 vs 0).

secondly, you pulled that straight out of your ass. why would he probably win the award? is it because everyone in dallas is promoting him, or is it because manu is playing noticeably better? could it be that 7 games into the season, it is impossible to say who will probably win?

and lastly, if your bench is deeper and better and your big 3 is better than ours, than why are the overall stats "pretty darn even"?

sorry to be a jerk but i dont buy that conciliatory tone when the other side of your mouth is saying you have a better team. scoreboard is all that matters, mavs fan, and the spurs have 4 in 9 while your mavs are 0 in 27.

[peskypesky]

Of course not. I'm just imploring him to set a tone. Get an "And 1". I just don't want to see my franchise player going "soft" to the hole. Finish strong.

We were killing them. Up by nearly 20 for a lot of the game. Were you not watching? Or can you not count?

Duncan wil go for the and-1s when we need them. Get a clue.

[td4mvp21]

I'm disappointed in how he performed. I consider the Lakers a good team and Duncan shouldn't have played that bad against a good team unless he is injured. Hopefully he bounces back.

[td4mvp21]

We were killing them. Up by nearly 20 for a lot of the game. Were you not watching? Or can you not count?

Duncan wil go for the and-1s when we need them. Get a clue.

Uh, the lead shouldn't have an effect on the amount of effort you give while your in the game.

[ancestron]

He'll snap out of it, he always does.

[peskypesky]

Uh, the lead shouldn't have an effect on the amount of effort you give while your in the game.

Wrong. When you're Tim Duncan, every second you're banging in the paint is wear and tear and an injury risk. At his age, he has to pace himself. He has to protect himself. He is the franchise player.

He needs to bang and go for and-1s when the Spurs NEED him to, not when a fool like you WANTS him to.

[E20]

Bottom line is that Tim isn't atheletic enough to dunk on anybody on the low post anymore unless if the lane is clear. Tim was never a freak of an athelete to begin with ala DRob/Dwight Howard/Shaq. Look at Shaq now, he's out grown his athleteicism and a shell of his former self, because he has no other aspect to his game except being a monster athlete. Duncan needs to rely more on smarts than going hard to the rim, if he does that it will usually be a made bucket, a trip to the FT line ,or an And1. That is why Tim is similar to Kareem, he isn't athletic, but is sound in fundamentals and skillfull to be productive even in his last seasons, because he doesn't have to rely on atheleticism.

[td4mvp21]

Wrong. When you're Tim Duncan, every second you're banging in the paint is wear and tear and an injury risk. At his age, he has to pace himself. He has to protect himself. He is the franchise player.

He needs to bang and go for and-1s when the Spurs NEED him to, not when a fool like you WANTS him to.

Oh ok, so you throw up a pansy layup that gets blocked by a guard! And go 2-13 and put up 5-5! Yeah, I sure am glad he's pacing himself. Duncan paced himself last season and put up 20-10. 'Nuff said.

[41times]

sorry to be a jerk but i dont buy that conciliatory tone when the other side of your mouth is saying you have a better team. scoreboard is all that matters, mavs fan, and the spurs have 4 in 9 while your mavs are 0 in 27.

We are not talking about Championships today. We are talking about head to head matchups between the Mavs and Spurs. And to use your analagy that "scoreboard is all that matters" well then 9 out of the last 15 have been won by the Mavs, including a 7 game playoff series in which you had home court........So i guess you are right, the scoreboard is all that matters.

[samikeyp]

We are not talking about Championships today. We are talking about head to head matchups between the Mavs and Spurs. And to use your analagy that "scoreboard is all that matters" well then 9 out of the last 15 have been won by the Mavs, including a 7 game playoff series in which you had home court........So i guess you are right, the scoreboard is all that matters.

I would agree....scoreboard is all that matters but it has to be relevant to the conversation. If you are talking about the last 15 games, then yes, the Mavs have scoreboard. If you are talking about historical success, then the Spurs have it. IMO,the only relevant thing is what is going on right now this season....right now, neither team has scoreboard. It's weak for Mav fan to bring up the 06 playoff series to back up their stance just as much as its weak for Spurs fan to bring up "we have 4 rings" to back up theres. Its about what is going on right now. The Spurs are the defending champs but being that entitles them to nothing now. It doesn't give you extra points or automatic wins.

[Brutalis]

I think some of you make too much of an off night.

Although every great that has aged, either falls off the map, or slows down. Duncan is slowing down, like DRob did. The only difference is TD is so good, he can just turn it on again unlike others before him. Except Jordan, Malone before he joined the Lakers.

[GrandeDavid]

Tim Duncan's game has never been entirely predicated on athleticism, so it is plausible that younger athletes will pack a shot or several of his. Plus he's 31, not 23, and in fairness, he's probably less alert since its early in the season. I'd imagine come playoff time he'd have more oomph round the rim and finish better. I'm not worried.

[TampaDude]

First of all the stats prove that your big 3 is not better than ours. You just choose to ignore them.

Secondly, Terry will probably win 6th man of the year this year.

And lastly, the rest of your team, beyond your big 3 is average at best and our bench is as good or better and deeper.

The overall stats show that currently

We Shoot a higher percentage from the field
You shoot higher from 3 pt.
We shoot a higher percentage from the line.
Rebound the same as yours
Assist are the same
You get more steals
We get more blocks
You turn it over 1 less

We average 102.4 ppg and allow 95.0
You averaage 99.0 ppg and allow 89.8

The stats are pretty darn even. Which is why the games are so competitive.
Although it should be noted the Mavs have won 9 of the last 15 against you.
And that is what we are talking about this week, a head to head game.

And i appologize for lumping all Spurs fans into the category as arrogant. My wife is from there and she will tell you that only about half are arrogant.

The other half realize that the 2 best teams in the league for the last 5 years are the Spurs and the Mavs and it is a shame that they can't meet in the finals.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i135/navysealbh/MavsAlmostChampsDVD.jpg

[thispego]

First of all the stats prove that your big 3 is not better than ours. You just choose to ignore them.

Secondly, Terry will probably win 6th man of the year this year.

And lastly, the rest of your team, beyond your big 3 is average at best and our bench is as good or better and deeper.

The overall stats show that currently

We Shoot a higher percentage from the field
You shoot higher from 3 pt.
We shoot a higher percentage from the line.
Rebound the same as yours
Assist are the same
You get more steals
We get more blocks
You turn it over 1 less

We average 102.4 ppg and allow 95.0
You averaage 99.0 ppg and allow 89.8

The stats are pretty darn even. Which is why the games are so competitive.
Although it should be noted the Mavs have won 9 of the last 15 against you.
And that is what we are talking about this week, a head to head game.

And i appologize for lumping all Spurs fans into the category as arrogant. My wife is from there and she will tell you that only about half are arrogant.

The other half realize that the 2 best teams in the league for the last 5 years are the Spurs and the Mavs and it is a shame that they can't meet in the finals.
hahaha, all terry can do is hit jump shots and EVERYONE knows that he can't do it with the consistency he is showing right now all season!!! manu will win 6th man due to his all around impressive game... terry just hits jump shots... during the reg season.... when they matter very little.

oh.. and... point differential..................................... i rest my case. fuck all your other stats. you're right, i don't pay attention to them because they don't mean shit.

[diego]

We are not talking about Championships today. We are talking about head to head matchups between the Mavs and Spurs. And to use your analagy that "scoreboard is all that matters" well then 9 out of the last 15 have been won by the Mavs, including a 7 game playoff series in which you had home court........So i guess you are right, the scoreboard is all that matters.

no, you are talking about your mavs being a better team, and a better team would have at least made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs- we made it to the finals, and won. hence, we are a better team. (and we've done it multiple times with the same core).

come back to me when the mavs win another playoff series, the last time was over a year ago.

[remingtonbo2001]

:wtf Did anyone see goal-tending?


Yeah, Timmy was a little weak in the low block.

Let me follow some of you guys around for 10 years and see if you don't put up "WEAK SHIT" every now and then. Give the guy a break.

[SequSpur]

you guys are a bunch of broke back gaylords...

Tim Duncan isn't going to play until at least April.

Fukin wake up already.

[RussN]

I heard an announcer during a Spurs game say that Tim's shot was the third most blocked shot in the league. I think it was a couple of years ago and who knows who said it. I can't find that stat anywear. Could be totally bogus, but it might look something like this...

Players with their shot BLOCKED the most:
1. Earl Boykins
2. Nate Robinson
3. Tim Duncan

[bdictjames]

I heard an announcer during a Spurs game say that Tim's shot was the third most blocked shot in the league. I think it was a couple of years ago and who knows who said it. I can't find that stat anywear. Could be totally bogus, but it might look something like this...

Players with their shot BLOCKED the most:
1. Earl Boykins
2. Nate Robinson
3. Tim Duncan
No. I swear they mentioned Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph as those two guys.

Duncan = post player, so no wonder he gets his shot blocked. He blocks em back anyway, and he alters most of the shots. We got a win, in a part because probably of Duncan's interior defense.

[RussN]

No. I swear they mentioned Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph as those two guys.

Duncan = post player, so no wonder he gets his shot blocked. He blocks em back anyway, and he alters most of the shots. We got a win, in a part because probably of Duncan's interior defense.



Yea, I was just kidding, those were just two really short players I could think of off the top of my head.

So you did hear that too, I'm not halusinating? Who said it?

[kris]

Man Jordan Farmar Threw It Down On Duncan Too Top Shelf! He Got Blocked By Kobe Twice. I Think Turiaf Rejected Him Too.

Did Shaq Also Follow The Coast Through The Regular Season Theory?

Is It Good For Superstars To Coast? Maybe There Is A Difference Because Horry Was Never A Star?

Getting Dunked On By Farmar Is Pretty Embarrassing For A Spurs Fan.

But Duncan Doesn't Really Care Because He Isn't Even A Star Anymore, Manu And Tony Do All The Leg Work. He Just Dribbles Until He Gets A Double Team.

[SequSpur]

Man Jordan Farmar Threw It Down On Duncan Too Top Shelf! He Got Blocked By Kobe Twice. I Think Turiaf Rejected Him Too.

Did Shaq Also Follow The Coast Through The Regular Season Theory?

Is It Good For Superstars To Coast? Maybe There Is A Difference Because Horry Was Never A Star?

Getting Dunked On By Farmar Is Pretty Embarrassing For A Spurs Fan.

But Duncan Doesn't Really Care Because He Isn't Even A Star Anymore, Manu And Tony Do All The Leg Work. He Just Dribbles Until He Gets A Double Team.

Check the Scoreboard. The Spurs won, Duncan was injury free, move onto the next game...

Farmar can dunk all he wants to, but he still won't lead his team to victory which is all that matters.

:clap

[41times]

no, you are talking about your mavs being a better team, and a better team would have at least made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs- we made it to the finals, and won. hence, we are a better team. (and we've done it multiple times with the same core).

come back to me when the mavs win another playoff series, the last time was over a year ago.

You have not gotten past us in the Playoffs in the last 5 years when Dirk was playing? 2002 Dirk was out 3 games and 2006 you lost to us on your own court.

Golden St. was/is our achilles for the last 2 years. I do not dissagree with that at all! But we are 85% against the entire remainder of the league.

And you are right i am talking about who is the better team when the 2 teams play each other. That is exactly what i am talking about. And for the past few years, head to head, we are better than you. Barely, but we are just slightly better 9 to 6 in games and 1 playoff series.

I give the Spurs all the credit in the world. We built our team to compete with the Spurs for the last 5 years. We acheived our goal of doing so 2 years ago.

I can't wait for tomorrow!

[SequSpur]

You have not gotten past us in the Playoffs in the last 5 years when Dirk was playing? 2002 Dirk was out 3 games and 2006 you lost to us on your own court.

Golden St. was/is our achilles for the last 2 years. I do not dissagree with that at all! But we are 85% against the entire remainder of the league.

And you are right i am talking about who is the better team when the 2 teams play each other. That is exactly what i am talking about. And for the past few years, head to head, we are better than you. Barely, but we are just slightly better 9 to 6 in games and 1 playoff series.

I give the Spurs all the credit in the world. We built our team to compete with the Spurs for the last 5 years. We acheived our goal of doing so 2 years ago.

I can't wait for tomorrow!

You haven't achieved shit. Even if you win tomorrow, it doesn't mean shit. Last night I walked in the front door of the Spurs arena... you know what I saw? 4 fukin trophies.

A Thursday night game in November doesn't mean shit. I wouldn't be surprised if Duncan comes in street clothes and they focus on Friday's home game.

Blow me already and gtfo. Go to mavtalk.com asap.

:sleep

[kris]

Check the Scoreboard. The Spurs won, Duncan was injury free, move onto the next game...

Farmar can dunk all he wants to, but he still won't lead his team to victory which is all that matters.

:clap


I'm not some office white guy like you and Duncan that can brush off getting rejected 3 times and dunked on by a guy 10 inches shorter than me.

[SequSpur]

I'm not some office white guy like you and Duncan that can brush off getting rejected 3 times and dunked on by a guy 10 inches shorter than me.

So what is he supposed to do? Blast the guy in the air, get ejected, suspended a couple of games, etc?

Jump 2 feet off the ground and block it into the stands? Land on someone's foot and twist an ankle?

The Spurs are up by 20 and you're worried about a guy with a 4 ft vertical slamming one home?

I guess I was blinded by the glow of the four trophies.

[41times]

You haven't achieved shit. Even if you win tomorrow, it doesn't mean shit. Last night I walked in the front door of the Spurs arena... you know what I saw? 4 fukin trophies.

A Thursday night game in November doesn't mean shit. I wouldn't be surprised if Duncan comes in street clothes and they focus on Friday's home game.

Blow me already and gtfo. Go to mavtalk.com asap.

:sleep

Don't look now but i think we found another one of those arrogant spurs fans.... :clap

[itzsoweezee]

i'm sure duncan doesn't give a shit. he just wants the rings.

[SequSpur]

Don't look now but i think we found another one of those arrogant spurs fans.... :clap

It's called scoreboard in a Spurs forum.

I may be arrogant, but your ass is getting owned every time you post here.

I am going to start a topic at mavtalk in a few minutes and we'll see how quickly it gets locked.

[41times]

It's called scoreboard in a Spurs forum.

I may be arrogant, but your ass is getting owned every time you post here.

I am going to start a topic at mavtalk in a few minutes and we'll see how quickly it gets locked.

And if you call being called a "douche" or a "f#cktard" or "loser" getting owned then i guess you are right?

come on over to LoneMavsfan.com I would welcome the banter. But we do try to keep the cursing to a minimum. That might explain the "locking" on the other site?

[kris]

So what is he supposed to do? Blast the guy in the air, get ejected, suspended a couple of games, etc?

Jump 2 feet off the ground and block it into the stands? Land on someone's foot and twist an ankle?

The Spurs are up by 20 and you're worried about a guy with a 4 ft vertical slamming one home?

I guess I was blinded by the glow of the four trophies.

I'd say jump 5 inches off the ground and block the damn ball. It's not like I'm bagging on him because it happened once. Everybody gets embarrassed at some time on the court. Kobe got thrown by Pete Chilcutt back in his early years. But Duncan keeps poster factories in business. Wiki Fathead. Fathead was started because Duncan got posterized and the word clicked in some guys head and he reinvented the poster.

I never said the Spurs weren't winners. There is no denying that. Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, Bulls - all dynasties. Spurs are winners even if they never win another game in their life. You can't take it away from them.

[SequSpur]

Duncan is protecting his ankles. He doesn't need to be a hero. Dirk Nowitski, Josh Howard and Stackhouse are heroes.

[kris]

And people wonder why the Spurs are boring. Their best player plays with the ferocity of a saavy alley cat.

:yawn

[jay014]

Is Vince Carter back from his "take it up strong" move? There isnt one player in the league that hasn't had his shot blocked and I don't think Tim saw Kobe come from behind Turiaf or whoever it was.

[remingtonbo2001]

Duncan is protecting his ankles. He doesn't need to be a hero. Dirk Nowitski, Josh Howard and Stackhouse are heroes.

Agreed. Timmy can have his shot blocked every night, just so long as he's out there playing with the possibility of putting up 20/10 everynight.