How Is The All Star Ballot Created?

[duncan228]

Henry Abbott of True Hoop says a panel of "media members input created" the All Star ballot.

Is that how it's always been created?

If they listed Duncan as a center does the NBA have to keep him there or could they have changed him to PF like the Spurs list him?

I don't care if he starts or not, my question is about how the ballot is created.
Anyone know?

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-28-297/Friday-Bullets.html

"People in San Antonio are chapped that Tim Duncan is listed as a center on the All-Star ballot. The way Yao Ming gets fan votes, Duncan -- who, let's be honest, hasn't had his best season so far -- stands almost no chance of being an All-Star starter. How on earth, Spurs fans want to know, could Duncan, who plays a lot of forward, be listed as a center? Who is responsible for this? It was a panel of media members whose input created that ballot ..."

[abelle23]

tim doesnt seem to mind/care :p: but yeah youve got to wonder wyd they do that unless to make sure duncan doesnt start... :devil

[remingtonbo2001]

Sounds logical to me.

I'm not sure if that's saying much.

[Tek_XX]

If Duncan is going to be a scrub he might just want to come down with an ailment and take a week off.

[remingtonbo2001]

Really, I'd prefer he just not attend. Let some of the OTHER players have their chance at the spotlight.

Not everyone can play come June.

[WalterBenitez]

I see TD, Manu, TP going there ... at least my votes go to them

[timvp]

All I need to see is Antoine Walker listed as a guard on the All-Star ballot and I can safely say the ballot was created by pulling random names out of an orifice.

[duncan228]

All I need to see is Antoine Walker listed as a guard on the All-Star ballot and I can safely say the ballot was created by pulling random names out of an orifice.

:lol

Do you have any idea about how it's "officially" created?
Has it always been by media?

[some_user86]

Just in case you're wondering, ESPN covered the issue again in their Daily Dime:



The seven-man media panel which selects the 120 names that appear on the All-Star ballot -- a panel that includes our own Ric From Cincinnati: ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher -- did pretty well if the biggest omissions are Dallas' Devin Harris and Seattle's Chris Wilcox.

But there is one minor ballot controversy.

Tim Duncan and the San Antonio Spurs are not pleased that Duncan has been listed as a center on the ballot for the first time in his career.
OK, OK: This actually bothers the Spurs more than it bothers Duncan, who was clearly pretending to be devastated Thursday night when he said: "Obviously, it's tough."

San Antonio's dismay, furthermore, doesn't really stem from the fact that Duncan is now certain to lose out on a starting spot to Houston's Yao Ming.

The Spurs' point is that they've officially listed Duncan as a forward at every opportunity from the moment he came to the league in 1997 … and that they didn't know A) that the panel had the power to reclassify Duncan or B) that Duncan was indeed reclassified until the ballots were released Wednesday.

While Duncan has ranked alongside Shaquille O'Neal as the game's foremost back-to-the-basket force for a decade now and certainly makes you think he's a center, San Antonio notes that Duncan has been joined in the starting lineup by various centers -- David Robinson, Rasho Nesterovic or one from the current tag team of Fabricio Oberto and Francisco Elson -- in pretty much every game he's ever played. Which can't really be argued.

But what I can and did do -- something I've wanted to do for a long time -- is ask Duncan why he has a philosophical problem with being listed as a center, as we've always heard.

"I'm not playing as a center and I don't like being labeled a center," Duncan said. "Without trying to cause too much of a stir, it just seems like a limited position. I think I can do a little bit more than what a center is labeled as [doing]. But it's just a label."

I'll never understand why Duncan and Kevin Garnett insist on being listed at 6-11, because they apparently regard inclusion in the 7-Footers Club to be even more limiting, whereas I see their 7-footness as something that only makes their versatility more impressive. But I get what Duncan is saying here about the center stuff.

I think.

PS -- The biggest All-Star ballot omission is actually the Clippers' Sam Cassell, not Harris or Wilcox. Still a factor in this league even though he's turning 38 next week, Sam I Am merits one of those 24 guard slots in the West out of mere respect. League rules, however, dictate that each team must have at least three players on the ballot, which undoubtedly explains why Cassell lost out to the likes of Portland's Jarrett Jack and Seattle's Luke Ridnour.

PPS -- The complete ballot panel, in case you're wondering, was comprised of Pro Basketball Writers Association president Rick Bonnell (Charlotte Observer), David DuPree (USA Today), Ernie Johnson (TNT), Jack McCallum (Sports Illustrated), Mike Monroe (San Antonio Express-News), Sam Smith (Chicago Tribune) and Bucher.

PPPS -- Antoine Walker appears on the ballot as a West guard because the Wolves, again, had to have three names on the ballot and were down to two when Ricky Davis was dealt to Miami in the Toine deal.

LINK: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-071117-18

[some_user86]

PPS -- The complete ballot panel, in case you're wondering, was comprised of Pro Basketball Writers Association president Rick Bonnell (Charlotte Observer), David DuPree (USA Today), Ernie Johnson (TNT), Jack McCallum (Sports Illustrated), Mike Monroe (San Antonio Express-News), Sam Smith (Chicago Tribune) and Bucher.

LINK: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-071117-18

Notice Mike Monroe.

[sa_butta]

Im sure Duncan would still make the All-star game, just maybe not a starter if he is listed as a center. There are just too many chinese people with internet access.

[sa_butta]

I would think it has more to do with how the team lists him on the roster.

[some_user86]

I would think it has more to do with how the team lists him on the roster.

Did you read the article and anything about the 'controversy'? The team lists him as power forward, but the media panel has the power to decide what they want to list the players as. I guess ultimately: Sucks, but who cares?

[duncan228]

Thanks for the update some user86.

The whole thing stinks, and I don't care if he starts or not.
I just think it's wrong that he can be listed differently than the Spurs list him.
No matter what position he really plays. :lol

[timvp]

PPS -- The complete ballot panel, in case you're wondering, was comprised of Pro Basketball Writers Association president Rick Bonnell (Charlotte Observer), David DuPree (USA Today), Ernie Johnson (TNT), Jack McCallum (Sports Illustrated), Mike Monroe (San Antonio Express-News), Sam Smith (Chicago Tribune) and Bucher.Mr. Error himself in charge of the All-Star ballots? Classic.

I'll never understand why Monroe is respected around the league as much as he is. He has singlehandedly lowered the level of writing in the Express-News to an all-time new low.

[ploto]

Where are all the people who swore for years that Duncan was really more of a center-- Huh?

Apparently, that opinion changes for convenience sake.

[Kori Ellis]

Where are all the people who swore for years that Duncan was really more of a center-- Huh?

Apparently, that opinion changes for convenience sake.

Whether he is more of a center in the offense doesn't matter. In the Spurs system a lot of the "duties" of each position are interchangable. But, he is listed by the Spurs as a PF with Elson and Oberto listed as C. If the Spurs were to have brought in another PF to start with Tim (for example, Scola), then that would have been a different story because the Spurs might have started listing Tim at C.

It's just weird to me that in someone's 11th year in the league in a game where he is regarded as one of the best, if not the best, power forwards of all-time that a group of journalists can decide to make him a center for All-Star purposes. :dizzy

It's stupid (or, as Duncan might say, retarded).

[duncan228]

It's stupid (or, as Duncan might say, retarded).

:lol

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Whether he is more of a center in the offense doesn't matter. In the Spurs system a lot of the "duties" of each position are interchangable. But, he is listed by the Spurs as a PF with Elson and Oberto listed as C. If the Spurs were to have brought in another PF to start with Tim (for example, Scola), then that would have been a different story because the Spurs might have started listing Tim at C.

It's just weird to me that in someone's 11th year in the league in a game where he is regarded as one of the best, if not the best, power forwards of all-time that a group of journalists can decide to make him a center for All-Star purposes. :dizzy

It's stupid (or, as Duncan might say, retarded).



simple, the didn't want Duncan to be starting PF anymore



they wanted someone like Melo




the media is sick and tired of the Spurs

[timmy21_4rings]

Is Duncan going to say "All Star Game Sucks." and not going to go there even if he is selected by coaches?

[Holt's Cat]

How Is The All Star Ballot Created?

With ink and paper, usually.

[Tek_XX]

Whether he is more of a center in the offense doesn't matter. In the Spurs system a lot of the "duties" of each position are interchangable. But, he is listed by the Spurs as a PF with Elson and Oberto listed as C. If the Spurs were to have brought in another PF to start with Tim (for example, Scola), then that would have been a different story because the Spurs might have started listing Tim at C.

It's just weird to me that in someone's 11th year in the league in a game where he is regarded as one of the best, if not the best, power forwards of all-time that a group of journalists can decide to make him a center for All-Star purposes. :dizzy

It's stupid (or, as Duncan might say, retarded).

So what exactly is the explanation to suddenly declare Duncan a center? I would guess Duncan isn't respected around the league if they have no problem pretty much condemning him to scrubdom behind Yao.

[timmy21_4rings]

With ink and paper, usually.

Good Discovery Dr. How abt online Ballot Dr?

[samikeyp]

How Is The All Star Ballot Created?

apparently by shit-flinging monkeys.

[duncan228]

So what exactly is the explanation to suddenly declare Duncan a center? I would guess Duncan isn't respected around the league if they have no problem pretty much condemning him to scrubdom behind Yao.

See Mike Monroe's column here for the explanation.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81790