To all of the xenophobes here.....

[Phenomanul]

List of the most dangerous US cities (based on rates of murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, and motor vehicle theft).

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html

Not one of the cities in the top 23 have a large immigrant or hispanic base. Not a single one.
San Bernardino California is the first one that shows up at 24.

So the next one here that uses the baseless stereotype that immigrants give rise to the crime rate will be shown the facts.

Again, the actions of a few do not a whole population define.

[Mr. Peabody]

Haven't seen you in here in awhile. Welcome back.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So what about social care/hospital costs? Identity theft?

I also have to question the validity of this thing if it doesn't have Houston in its top 25 most dangerous cities.

[baseline bum]

How is Compton #4? Watts is way more dangerous right now.

[E20]

Since the illegals are their illegally and the gov doesn't know they are there, how would they know who they are, let alone their ethinicity, so how would they be included in the census?

[Wild Cobra]

That's fine. But please explain why illegal immigrants have such a disproportional high percentage in prison for serious crimes.

I don't know of a single xenophobe of all the people I know who stand against illegal immigration.

Don't you guys get it.... the word ILLEGAL!

Can we place this in the proper perspective please?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

number 11: Richmond, California

ughhhhhh

[boutons_]

'why illegal immigrants have such a disproportional high percentage in prison for serious crimes."

For the same reason that "legal" blacks, aka US citizens, are dramatically over-represented in US prisons: poverty and a prejudicial legal system.

Same reason thugs and criminals are a major problem in "illegal" dubya's 51st state of Iraq: poverty.

[mookie2001]

List of the most dangerous US cities (based on rates of murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, and motor vehicle theft).

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html

Not one of the cities in the top 23 have a large immigrant or hispanic base. Not a single one.
San Bernardino California is the first one that shows up at 24.

So the next one here that uses the baseless stereotype that immigrants give rise to the crime rate will be shown the facts.

Again, the actions of a few do not a whole population define.
so what are you saying?

let MORE illegals in?











let me explain this like i was Hubie Brown

here are the things we know-

now uh we all know that illegal immigration benefits bush and the neocons

ok
we know that
and uh we also know that uh bush and the neocons are trying and HAVE created a north american union, we know that

and a national biometric id card, we know that
and we also know theyre using that for immigrants, ok

know we also that this isnt conservative at all





here are things we know
the number of illegal immigrants rose in texas when bush was governer AND as president

ok but what we need to find out is when will it end

[mookie2001]

phehenouomanual and admitted globalists like smeagol are as good as neocons

[LaMarcus Bryant]

ChumpDumper vs Whottt: The globalist edition would be a great debate thread.

Or should it be called Globalism: The Chumpdumper vs Whottt edition?

[Phenomanul]

so what are you saying?





So the next one here that uses the baseless stereotype that immigrants give rise to the crime rate will be shown the facts.


All the other stuff you said, was fabricated in your head.

[Phenomanul]

phehenouomanual and admitted globalists like smeagol are as good as neocons


Why? Because I'm trying to dispel the tendency of using stereotypes as a valid argument?

That would make too much sense.

[Phenomanul]

number 11: Richmond, California

ughhhhhh

Wikipedia:
As of the censusGR2 of 2000, there were 99,216 people, 34,625 households, and 23,025 families in the city. The population density was 3,309.5 inhabitants per square mile (1,277.8/km²). There were 36,044 housing units at an average density of 1,202.3 per square mile (464.2/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 21.36% white, 36.06% black or African American, 0.64% Native American, 12.29% Asian, 0.50% Pacific Islander, 13.86% from other races, and 5.27% from two or more races. 26.53% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

If Wiki's facts are straight on this one.... 26.5% can hardly be considered a majority.

[Phenomanul]

Since the illegals are their illegally and the gov doesn't know they are there, how would they know who they are, let alone their ethinicity, so how would they be included in the census?


Good question....

It would be beyond coincidence however for the cities that are associated with hispanics or latinos to not have made the list....

Where are Los Angeles, Miami, [Insert any Texas City], Chicago?

[101A]

It's probably meaningless, but the top 17 most dangerous cities have, on average, a population which is made up of 54.8% African Americans.

The Least Dangerous? 3.1%

It's just a conicindence, I'm sure.

[xrayzebra]

'why illegal immigrants have such a disproportional high percentage in prison for serious crimes."

For the same reason that "legal" blacks, aka US citizens, are dramatically over-represented in US prisons: poverty and a prejudicial legal system.

Same reason thugs and criminals are a major problem in "illegal" dubya's 51st state of Iraq: poverty.

Your statement is BS and you know it.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Wikipedia:
As of the censusGR2 of 2000, there were 99,216 people, 34,625 households, and 23,025 families in the city. The population density was 3,309.5 inhabitants per square mile (1,277.8/km²). There were 36,044 housing units at an average density of 1,202.3 per square mile (464.2/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 21.36% white, 36.06% black or African American, 0.64% Native American, 12.29% Asian, 0.50% Pacific Islander, 13.86% from other races, and 5.27% from two or more races. 26.53% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

If Wiki's facts are straight on this one.... 26.5% can hardly be considered a majority.


I wasn't doubting the veracity of the poll I was givin an "ughhh" for richmond

[Wild Cobra]

31.2% of our federal prison population are Hispanic or Latino. They only represent 12.5% of the population. Blacks represent 40.1% of the population and make up 12.3% of the population. When you separate the Hispanic numbers to legal and illegal, the figures dramatically changes. I don't have those numbers, but as I recall, the legal immigrants have a lower than average prison rate, and the illegal Hispanic numbers shoot up beyond the numbers of the black prison population.

17% of the federal prison population are of Mexican citizenship. Most of them are illegal immigrants rather than legal. Of the 62,426 hispanic/latino, 33,936 or 54.4% are of Mexican citizenship alone. Add Columbia, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic, the number is now 41,792. 66.9% of just these four citizenship groups. Somewhere less than 33% of the hispanic/latino prisoners are of USA citizenship. This is easily a 2:1 margin. Most of the non USA numbers will be illegal. The illegal popuation estimates are now well above 20,000,000. 12,000,000 is an old number. Most are from south of thye border. There is an estimated 38,356,001 hispanic/latino presence in the USA just extrapolating 1990 to 2000 census numbers out to 2007. Since they flood the border, the number is likely higher that extrapolation allows.

wiki: 2000 Census (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census_2000#Population_profile)

Bureau of Prisons: Inmate Breakdown (http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#1)