beno udrih is balling on the pistons

[Fillmoe]

19 points 3 assists 2 boards and 0 turnovers with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter

[ploto]

Beno's playing great- confident and aggressive--- and making wonderful passes.

[pjjrfan]

Paybacks a bitch!!! Good for Beno.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Only 3 assists?

[Walter Craparita]

Damnit. We didn't know who he was, and we let him get away!!!

[Sense]

lol a second ago he had like 6 points.... wtf.

[Fillmoe]

Only 3 assists?


4 assists now

[ploto]

Beno and Mikki Moore are playing well together.

[FromWayDowntown]

This brings back so many happy memories of the way that Beno played against the Pistons in the 2005 Finals.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

We need an appearance by ChumpDumper to remind us how its beno's fault that he's not here anymore (which is true)

[ashbeeigh]

:lmao Three years later.

[ploto]

15 points this quarter!

[mystargtr34]

Damnit. We didn't know who he was, and we let him get away!!!

Lovin the sig

[ploto]

On a related note-- Nazr sucks.

[phxspurfan]

21pts, 4reb, 5ast, 0to wow

[ploto]

Probably the best quarter I have ever seen Beno play in the NBA- not just the scoring, but the passing and defense, as well.

[Texas_Ranger]

OMG, Beno kicks ass!!

[Darkwaters]

A lot of us said that he could be a great PG in another system. But as a Spur, he sucked ass.

[phxspurfan]

lol he even has a blocked shot! When did he learn how to jump? All of a sudden he can defend guys like Chauncey Billups?

[E20]

I picked him off waivers earlier today. :lol

[Udrihlooms]

First Scola, now Beno. :spin

[jmard5]

Is he having a hard time playing Pop's system? With the Kings, he seems confident enough playing the starting PG. Good decisions with his passes, and is aggressive with his penetrations and jump shots. He seems to play well with K-Mart.

3rd quarter vs Det (ongoing)
19mins, 9-13 FGM, 5ast, 0stl, 21pts

Nov 12 @ Utah
29mins, 2ast, 1stl, 11pts

Nov 14 @ Min
39mins, 5ast, 3stl, 17pts

Nov 16 vs Nyk
44mins, 5ast, 1stl, 10pts

[phxspurfan]

and Sean Marks, too...

[ThomasGranger]

Too bad the Spurs didn't get anything more for him than salary relief and an open roster spot. Then again, given how much people wanted him gone, I guess we should be thankful even for that, and I'd take D-Wash over Beno any day.

[AFBlue]

Classic change of scenery....

He's always had the talent, but he couldn't master the "head game". Letting him go gave him a new start somewhere else.

And while I honestly don't think he'll be a starting calibur PG in this league, he's certainly going to show more than he did while with the Spurs.

[jay014]

Damn what were the T-wolves thinking for letting him go for nothing?

[jmard5]

My bad. Sorry moderators. There was already a thread regarding Udrih vs the Pistons. You can just merge this with the other one.

Two Udrih threads for the day seems very unusual. :lol

[some_user86]

Sometimes people need to feel some disappointment to get their ass in gear. I think that was the case with Beno (and it worked wonders for Horry; see Horry-Elliot failed trade).

I don't think anyone could deny Beno had talent, at least I didn't deny it. He was just completely unmotivated.

Sucks though. He could've been real good for us.

[BenoDynasty]

I'm just playing the quarter I'm supposed to play, and shitting on the bitches I'm supposed to shit on.

[angel_luv]

19 points 3 assists 2 boards and 0 turnovers with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter


Go get them, B!

Great work! :tu :clap

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yes indeed, seems like Beno has found a home for a while. Good on him. He's going to help my Dynasty team significantly. :D

[anakha]

Maybe Theus's curfew rule is helping Beno out more than we know.

[mystargtr34]

Hmmm Beno or Jameer Nelson ??

[E20]

On a related note-- Nazr sucks.
?
4 points 4 rebounds in 11 mins of play doesn't sound bad for his role or the amount of PT he normally gets except he's 0-4 from the line. Is it his D or something?

[ploto]

Detroit self-destructing!

[ploto]

Beno draws the offensive foul on Billups!

[Fillmoe]

23 points 6 assists 4 boards 1 turnover 1 block

[boutons_]

A monster game by Beno. Bravo!

game high 23 points, only player with 20+.

[Texas_Ranger]

STAR OF THE GAME!!! :rollin

[ploto]

Beno played very well and showed a lot of understanding of the game. An all-around excellent game on both ends of the floor.

[T Park]

whoulda thunk it.

Theus should win coach of the year.

[CruelMonkey]

How many more Spurs rejects can we nab? :hungry:

[ploto]

Ironic night-- 2 great games and 2 big wins for Hedo and Beno!

[E20]

I don't think the Magic or Kings are gonna jettison themselves to the NBA finals because of Hedo and Beno. It's safe to say that the Spurs FO knew what they were doing.

[El_Mago]

whoulda thunk it.

Theus should win coach of the year.

Coach of the Year?

Wow.

We're not even 15 games into the season, and the Kings are below 500.

If determined today, COY should go to Stan Van Gundy.

[CubanMustGo]

Sarcasm. Look it up. :rolleyes

[angel_luv]

Ironic night-- 2 great games and 2 big wins for Hedo and Beno!



Great night! :D


Now we just need Sho to get well. :)

[Sacramental]

Beno goo!!!! he's impressive, Spurs just didn't give him the time to show what he could do. Thank goodness.

[Sacramental]

Beno is playing great. He should start over Mike Bibby when he comes back. seriously.

[Darkwaters]

Beno goo!!!! he's impressive, Spurs just didn't give him the time to show what he could do. Thank goodness.

No, Beno had plenty of opportunity his rookie year. And then last year he was given every chance to succeed again as the backup and he pissed it all away. Beno is not mentally tough at all. But if he works out in the Sacramento system then good for him. I wish him all the best. Maybe this will let the Kings trade Bibby now?

[exstatic]

He was given chances and more chances. Don't get too excited. He was good here his first year, too. Don't expect ANYTHING from him when Bibby comes back and he goes down to bench minutes.

[E20]

Beno goo!!!! he's impressive, Spurs just didn't give him the time to show what he could do. Thank goodness.
A pretty uninformed and ignorant statement.

[Leetonidas]

Beno goo!!!! he's impressive, Spurs just didn't give him the time to show what he could do. Thank goodness.
You're fucking kidding right?

[SpursFanFirst]

Check it out...

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard

Beno is listed as one of the "Top Performers" for the night! Who knew?

Nah...seriously, I say good for him. I hope Sacramento works out for him.

[Texas_Ranger]

^^Wow!! I cant believe it. :blah

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I don't think the Magic or Kings are gonna jettison themselves to the NBA finals because of Hedo and Beno.

Jettison means discard.

I doubt any team will discard themselves to the NBA Finals!

I think you meant "propel" or something similar.

[SequSpur]

Beno would be an Allstar in the Eastern Conference.

[Creation88]

i don't understand why everyone on this board hated him. he was always a good player with a clean stroke. way better than vaughn imo.

[ShoogarBear]

i don't understand why everyone on this board hated him. Because he didn't give a shit.

[biba]

His words about the Spurs say it all: Beno is a classy guy.

But props to him, he had a career night.

Just don't forget when posters here wanted Parker to be traded to make room for Beno: yes he can be good, though no consistent at all. Can he change?

Surprising Udrih goes for 23 as Kings improve to 4-1 at home

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=271118023

Top Performers
B. Udrih
Points: 23
Reb: 4
Ast: 6
Stl: 0
Blk: 1

Game Leaders
Points T. Prince 19 B. Udrih 23
Rebounds R. Wallace 12 B. Miller 9
Assists C. Billups 9 B. Udrih 6
Steals C. Billups 1 R. Artest 2
Blocks C. Billups 1 R. Artest 1

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Unwanted in San Antonio, Beno Udrih appears to have found a home with the Sacramento Kings.

Udrih had 23 points and six assists to help the Kings beat the Detroit Pistons 105-95 on Sunday night.

Udrih, a late preseason cut by San Antonio who came to the Kings as a backup when Mike Bibby was injured just prior to the season, has quickly become a starter. He showed why against the Pistons, hitting 9 of 13 shots from the field and all five of his free throw attempts and fueling a strong second half by the Kings.

"I chose this team because I knew I would get an opportunity to play; I didn't get that in San Antonio," said Udrih, who played three seasons with the Spurs and owns two championship rings.

"Playing regular minutes has helped my confidence. In San Antonio I never knew how much I would play. I won't come out here if I miss one or two shots in a row."

Udrih hardly missed anything in the third quarter when he scored 15 points, including 11 in a stretch where the Kings outscored Detroit 15-1 to take the lead after trailing by nine points.

"He had an unbelievable game in the third quarter," Detroit coach Flip Saunders said. "He made shots and he made plays. He's been playing extremely well for them."

But Udrih had plenty of help, as the Kings won for a second straight time and improved to 4-1 at home. Kevin Martin had his first sub-20-point game, but still finished with 19 points and eight rebounds. Ron Artest scored 16, Brad Miller had 15 points and nine rebounds, and Mikki Moore added 10 points and nine rebounds.

Tayshaun Prince scored 19 points for the Pistons, who have lost two straight. Rasheed Wallace had 17 points and 12 rebounds, Richard Hamilton scored 17 and Chauncey Billups contributed 14 points and nine assists.

"Our team grew up tonight playing a tough, tough team like Detroit in a grind-it-out game," Kings coach Reggie Theus said. "From a confidence standpoint, winning against an upper-echelon team builds confidence."

Clinging to a 94-92 lead, Martin hit two free throws after Wallace and Detroit assistant coach Dave Cowens both drew technical fouls for arguing a call. Miller, who was fouled by Wallace on a drive to the basket, hit two more free throws to put the Kings ahead 98-92 with 2:17 left, and the Pistons never got any closer.

"You make it halfway down the court, then you decide to call it?" said Wallace, referring to the call coming late that resulted in his first technical this season. "You know, it's crazy. But we let them hang around."

It was the end of a five-game trip for the road-weary Pistons, who went 2-3 and have opened the season by playing eight of 10 games away from home. Detroit starts a five-game homestand Wednesday against New York.

"It was a bad road trip in my eyes," said Billups, who had missed the two previous games with injuries.

[Slohoop]

Great game Beno!

:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

[boutons_]

Beno's confidence was destroyed in SA, for whatever reason or cause.

I hope this game shows he's recovering his confidence and growing mentally to match his physical abilities. He's still young and can still pull his head out of his immature ass.

[TDMVPDPOY]

his rookie year, was probably his best at showing us what he had

2nd year NVE AND POP destroyed it

3rd i love to party sink in

[sendman]

Good job Beno!

Keep it coming.

[timvp]

Nice game by Beno. He has always been immensely talented. When he's all about basketball, he's a really nice player.

It's up to Beno now to stay focused.

[E20]

Jettison means discard.

I doubt any team will discard themselves to the NBA Finals!

I think you meant "propel" or something similar.
Usually you jettison garbage or an unwanted object out of your house or car etc.........

The Kings and Magic being the garbage that they are actually jettison rather than propel. :lol

Magic are actually playing well this season though.

[Indazone]

The Spurs are quickly becoming the Walmart of the NBA. Just for cap space if ya need a baller, we will give ya one for nothing. Scola to the Rockets and Beno to the Kings. :lmao

[Johnny RIngo]

Beno's looking good. Still, I have no regrets about trading him. He had his chance here and blew it.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

The Spurs are quickly becoming the Walmart of the NBA. Just for cap space if ya need a baller, we will give ya one for nothing. Scola to the Rockets and Beno to the Kings. :lmao
One mans trash is another mans treasure I guess?

But if the Spurs are wal-mart, then that would make the Rockets like a 99 cent store right? :lol

[Slomo]

He proved wrong all the people who never believed he had the talent.

Now let's see if he can prove wrong those of us who claimed he didn't have the mental toughness/desire to succeed. Bibby's return will probably be the deciding moment.

Beno for most improved player of the 08 season? Now that would be ironic!

[whottt]

Let's see if he stays in shape and stop partying...

Let's see how he handles going back to the bench once Bibby returns.

All he's proving right now is that he can play in the NBA when he wants to, and bring effort when he's getting a chance to start...

He'd already proved that. He's also proved that he can be a lazy cancerous ass when he's not happy with his role as well.


If Beno recieved the wake up call...more power to him. But it probably wouldn't have happened if he'd been allowed to stay here. And if he will keep up his level of play once he goes into a similar role with the Kings, remains to be seen.

Here's hoping the splash of cold water he recieved when the world champs dumped him on his ass...keeps him awake.

His first start with the Spurs he put up 25 something points....I think that's probably still his career high...all that shows to me is that Beno plays harder as a starter than as a bench player.

[10-tka]

Funny. Beno is playing basketball and the Spurs fans can't believe it.
Maybe Spurs suxx?!

[whottt]

Funny. Beno is playing basketball and the Spurs fans can't believe it.
Maybe Spurs suxx?!


Maybe you wouldn't know basketball if you had one stuck up your ass?

[sendman]

Funny. Beno is playing basketball and the Spurs fans can't believe it.
Maybe Spurs suxx?!

Yeeeyyy! Now, when he played a few solid games, Slovenian cavalry is storming in?

I love bandwagon fans!
:drunk

And now the funniest thing posted today:
:lmao :lmao :lmao

There isn't really much you can do when Beno Udrih catches fire. He's one of the most electric players in the NBA. When he decides to bring it, you've just got to stand back and be thankful that you were around to witness greatness. :lmao :lmao :lmao

[ata]

It is November and he played like 5 games.

I'd wait until end of February....

[TDMVPDPOY]

dont worry its a contract year for beno

he be back to his old self once the maloofs pay him $$$ > MLE

[Leetonidas]

Yeeeyyy! Now, when he played a few solid games, Slovenian cavalry is storming in?

I love bandwagon fans!
:drunk

And now the funniest thing posted today:

Who the fuck wrote that bullshit?

[Pero]

The Spurs were right to dump him, he wouldn't amount to anything with them unless maybe if the coach changed and he'd be given the starting spot.
It's great that he's playing well, but we'll see what happens when Bibby returns.

[Kori Ellis]

Good job by Beno. Hopefully he can stay focused, in shape and revive his NBA career.

[carina_gino20]

"Playing regular minutes has helped my confidence. In San Antonio I never knew how much I would play. I won't come out here if I miss one or two shots in a row."

It's great that he's fitting well with the Kings, but if he thinks this is the reason why he spent so much time in Pop's doghouse, then he really didn't learn much in his time in SA.

[WalterBenitez]

B. Udrih (SAC)
23 pts, 6 ast
4 reb
vs DET

That is a prove that POP sucks and must be fired!!!

How is it possible that Beno and Scola are doing well suddenly?

:depressed

[polandprzem]

How funny how all this former Spurs players do better outside the boring popovich system...

They play beter in the systems where they do have a chance for more minutes.
In sacto beno beats Parker and in Houston Scola beats Tim (well you never know how would scola play along ith TD)

[ata]

How funny how all this former Spurs players do better outside the boring popovich system...
As long Pop's* system wins championships players have to adjust...

*I still blame Pop for 2006 (small ball, NVE)

[some_user86]

They play beter in the systems where they do have a chance for more minutes.
In sacto beno beats Parker and in Houston Scola beats Tim (well you never know how would scola play along ith TD)

What?

[Harry Callahan]

Beno's rookie contract was expiring when he got cut by Minnesota after the trade. If he continued not to care as a Kings player, he is out of the NBA for good. It's too bad the Spurs "discriminate against European players." and pull players for "missing a shot or two." Please pardon me while i puke!

I read the interviews he gave to some of his homeland newspapers (shown here on ST) with some of the completely off the wall comments. I saw the
"Welcome Home Beno" party flyers posted here over the summer. This guy was on complete cruise control here in San Antonio - just fat and unhappy drawing a nice paycheck. Beno worked hard at clubbin' instead of playing basketball. Putting Beno in the regular rotation last year would have greatly diminished the SAS chances of winning a 4th championship. No doubt about it.

Opportunity after opportunity to make a real contribution to the Spurs was squandered due to his lack of work ethic after his first year here. Most of us here can agree Beno was a pretty good backup most of his first year (NBA Western Conference ROM in November 2004). Then came the 2005 NBA finals series against Detroit (remember that?), which put this guy in a complete tailspin and he simply was not a reliable player from that point forward.

This recent success (in scoring a few points and actually showing some interest in staying in the NBA) just illustrates that Uldrih became a lazy liability when he was here. He quit competing here because in San Antonio Popovich established expectations and accountability on both ends of the floor - Beno cratered under that kind of pressure.

If playing NBA basketball was strictly about having offensive talent, scoring 20 points and nothing else, Walter Berry and "Sweet Pea" Lloyd Daniels would have had long, successful NBA careers. Just because Beno was in the NBA players union did not mean he had to go on a one man strike the last two years. This whole "Look at me and my boxscores in Sacramento" business should piss off all of us even more because he could have been a good bench player here.

Sorry guys, I'm not buying what Beno is selling right now. It just illustrates that he was stealing money from not only the Spurs (his former employer) but all of the Spurs fans who were paying his salary in the end. :pctoss

[RADECK]

http://a355.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_0f62841e79d5e7ce0484a4a5b7ca6f9a.jpg

[Kibic]

Guy is just playing BB as he could. He is not saying »look at my…« It is just you look at his box score. I really don't know why.

[nkdlunch]

sign Beno!

[venitian navigator]

The point is he didn't want just to be a bench player...and that his skills are definitely not the ones of a back up role.

The reason he was definely took out of Popovich consideration in his second season has been a single (orrible, o.k.) game against the Pistons in the finals (but remember that in the some season, in a regular season game, he did wonders against the some team....Pistons) !
He passed in a moment from a great competitor for being the starting point guard (like someone else said before, there were people in this forum asking for him to start...and that means that also TP has had some bad games, without being immediatly crucified) to a third player for the point guard spot with no minutes and no consideration.

O.K.. it's sure he's not (or he's not been) mentally strong...and that the spurs have to look, first of all, at their own good.
But I really think that the decision to take (and prefere) a point guard like NVE, in his clear fast decline, promising him minutes and the back up role at the point at the expense of an emerging young player needing to regain his confidence has been, simply, absolutely wrong...as, at the some time, was wrong to "yell" against the boy after the team has shown a clear - and i think excessive - lack of confidence in him...a behavior that, imho, is quite impossible to eliminate from Beno's mind.
That's, I think, the reason for his intervies...the real lack of confidence in his situation with the spurs.
That said, the decision to sell him, at this point, was the only possible one.
Good luck to him and hope that Jaque and D.W. gives us what we needed and need from our back up point guard!!!

[Harry Callahan]

The Spurs are quickly becoming the Walmart of the NBA. Just for cap space if ya need a baller, we will give ya one for nothing. Scola to the Rockets and Beno to the Kings. :lmao

Hey Mr. Rocketman
At least the Spurs draft players who have the talent to be a "baller". Take a look at the Rockets draft picks the last decade (Outside of Yao - which was a no brainer). I don't want to bore you with all the details (here's a hint Luther Head is the only other drafted guy still on the roster outside of Yao prior to the 2007 draft).

Let's move on and highlight a few bright shining moments of Rockets Front Office in recent years.

Mr. Rocketman:

Are you laughing your ass off at the Rockets passing over Tony Parker three times in the 2001 NBA draft - none of those players are in the NBA now. Tony is one of the top 25 players in the NBA. The Rockets still do not have a legitimate NBA point guard which will be their ultimate undoing again this year. Ballhogs like Alston and James will get you beat in a seven game series.

Are you laughing your ass off for the Rockets trading away three players drafted in the first round of the 2002 draft (including a guy named Richard Jefferson) for Eddie Griffin, who is currently not an active NBA player because he happens to be DEAD after a recent successful attempt at suicide :dizzy

Are you laughing your ass off for the Rockets drafting Rudy Gay in 2006 with a top ten draft pick and trading him immediately to the Grizzlies? You remember him? Last week he posterized the entire Rockets front line during a Grizzlies defeat of the Rockets. Gay is becoming an outstanding player this year. Rudy may already be the best player on the Memphis roster (Yes better than Pau Gasol). Do you think he might become a better player than role player Shane Battier (the player Houston got from Memphis)? He already is a better player and by a mile.

Sit down and shut up Mr. Rocketman. I'm still waiting for your team to win a playoff series (what is it - ten years and counting?). By the way, Mehmet Okur can shoot the three point shot - the Rockets could not seem to understand that in the latest playoff implosion. The next opponent of the Jazz in the 2007 playoffs turned Okur inside and out so bad that he eventually quit playing. I think we all know who that opponent was.

[TDMVPDPOY]

had beno stayed in shape, he couldve been a better version of BJ Armstrong of the 3peat bulls

[Hook Dem]

Hey Mr. Rocketman
At least the Spurs draft players who have the talent to be a "baller". Take a look at the Rockets draft picks the last decade (Outside of Yao - which was a no brainer). I don't want to bore you with all the details (here's a hint Luther Head is the only other drafted guy still on the roster outside of Yao prior to the 2007 draft).

Let's move on and highlight a few bright shining moments of Rockets Front Office in recent years.

Mr. Rocketman:

Are you laughing your ass off at the Rockets passing over Tony Parker three times in the 2001 NBA draft - none of those players are in the NBA now. Tony is one of the top 25 players in the NBA. The Rockets still do not have a legitimate NBA point guard which will be their ultimate undoing again this year. Ballhogs like Alston and James will get you beat in a seven game series.

Are you laughing your ass off for the Rockets trading away three players drafted in the first round of the 2002 draft (including a guy named Richard Jefferson) for Eddie Griffin, who is currently not an active NBA player because he happens to be DEAD after a recent successful attempt at suicide :dizzy

Are you laughing your ass off for the Rockets drafting Rudy Gay in 2006 with a top ten draft pick and trading him immediately to the Grizzlies? You remember him? Last week he posterized the entire Rockets front line during a Grizzlies defeat of the Rockets. Gay is becoming an outstanding player this year. Rudy may already be the best player on the Memphis roster (Yes better than Pau Gasol). Do you think he might become a better player than role player Shane Battier (the player Houston got from Memphis)? He already is a better player and by a mile.

Sit down and shut up Mr. Rocketman. I'm still waiting for your team to win a playoff series (what is it - ten years and counting?). By the way, Mehmet Okur can shoot the three point shot - the Rockets could not seem to understand that in the latest playoff implosion. The next opponent of the Jazz in the 2007 playoffs turned Okur inside and out so bad that he eventually quit playing. I think we all know who that opponent was.
:reading :reading :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

The point is he didn't want just to be a bench player...and that his skills are definitely not the ones of a back up role.

The reason he was definely took out of Popovich consideration in his second season has been a single (orrible, o.k.) game against the Pistons in the finals (but remember that in the some season, in a regular season game, he did wonders against the some team....Pistons) !
He passed in a moment from a great competitor for being the starting point guard (like someone else said before, there were people in this forum asking for him to start...and that means that also TP has had some bad games, without being immediatly crucified) to a third player for the point guard spot with no minutes and no consideration.

O.K.. it's sure he's not (or he's not been) mentally strong...and that the spurs have to look, first of all, at their own good.
But I really think that the decision to take (and prefere) a point guard like NVE, in his clear fast decline, promising him minutes and the back up role at the point at the expense of an emerging young player needing to regain his confidence has been, simply, absolutely wrong...as, at the some time, was wrong to "yell" against the boy after the team has shown a clear - and i think excessive - lack of confidence in him...a behavior that, imho, is quite impossible to eliminate from Beno's mind.
That's, I think, the reason for his intervies...the real lack of confidence in his situation with the spurs.
That said, the decision to sell him, at this point, was the only possible one.
Good luck to him and hope that Jaque and D.W. gives us what we needed and need from our back up point guard!!!

Totally agree with this assessment. You have players like Finley, Hedo, and even Tony Parker (who also wasn't all that good against the Pistons in the 2005 Finals either) that have been handled with kid gloves no matter how much they fucked up but Beno was always the whipping boy for some reason. I hope the kid has a lot of success in his new surroundings.

[Pero]

Well in a way Beno is right about not getting a chance in San Antonio... to start and play 35+ minutes. :)

[ThomasGranger]

Totally agree with this assessment. You have players like Finley, Hedo, and even Tony Parker (who also wasn't all that good against the Pistons in the 2005 Finals either) that have been handled with kid gloves no matter how much they fucked up but Beno was always the whipping boy for some reason. I hope the kid has a lot of success in his new surroundings.

Nobody has questioned the work effort or commitment of either Fin or Parker. Can't say the same for Beno.

[Capt Bringdown]

Pop's system destroyed Beno's confidence, I agree.
If it was me, I think I too would have stopped caring after the NVE disaster. It didn't take a basketball scientist to see the NVE had nothing left to give. Yet Pop kept calling his number to prove a point...what was the point?

Pop ain't perfect - the NVE obsession was a flat-out shameful disgrace. I still get angry if I think about it.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your pock-marked face. It probably cost us a ring.

[wildbill2u]

"I chose this team because I knew I would get an opportunity to play; I didn't get that in San Antonio," said Udrih, who played three seasons with the Spurs and owns two championship rings.

"Playing regular minutes has helped my confidence. In San Antonio I never knew how much I would play. I won't come out here if I miss one or two shots in a row."

we've all had or seen situations at work where a supervisor and a subordinate just don't get along and the subordinate is never going to get out of the doghouse. It happens all the time in Sports where talented players and great coaches simply can't get on the same page.

I refer you to Bill Parcells/T.O. Owens; Van Gundy/Spanoulis; George Karl/lots of guys; Carlisimo/Sprewell. On the Spurs, I refer you to Steve Jax and Malik. Some people here thought they got the shaft from Pop.

Looked at another way, we were damn lucky that T. Parker's personality and character was such that he didn't get down on Pop and give up on the Spurs when he first got here. He and Pop 'clicked' but Pop and Beno didn't.

As much as I love what Pop does with the team, I recognize he isn't God. Whatever happened with Beno here, it's obvious that he and Pop were like oil and water.

Despite Pop's vaunted "they play if they earn it" reputation, maybe that isn't always the case if he gets a certain 'read' on a player and decides he isn't 'with' the system. In the long run, especially with role players, it's best they move on because Pop and his system ain't going anywhere until Duncan says so..

[wildchild]

sign Beno!

Yes!!!



I shouldn't have said it ^. I'm a little embarrassed :lol :lol

[Holt's Cat]

When the pressure's off, Udrih can perform.

Beno wanted guaranteed minutes and the freedom to play through his mistakes. That's why he is on a lottery team today.

[MoSpur]

Good for him. I think it just has to do with Beno having a chance to play big time minutes. That's all. We'll see how he plays when Bibby returns. For now, he's doing good and that's good for him and the Kings.

[ashbeeigh]

"I chose this team because I knew I would get an opportunity to play; I didn't get that in San Antonio," said Udrih, who played three seasons with the Spurs and owns two championship rings.



Now, I'm nopt a Beno hater like a lot of people are here, I agree 10000% with the people who say that given another system Beno can and will prosper. Given last night, he has shown that he can. But "I chose this team?" I think it was more like they chose you. Where else was he going to play? I just got a kick out of that quote.


Carry on.

[hitmanyr2k]

When the pressure's off, Udrih can perform.

Beno wanted guaranteed minutes and the freedom to play through his mistakes. That's why he is on a lottery team today.

Isn't that the way every player should develop and learn? Sometimes I think putting players on a short leash is just an assinine way to coach...especially in the regular season.

And why is Darius Washington suddenly back to riding the pine? The kid was playing damn good and now he hasn't seen the floor in 2 games. That's the kind of shit that would frustrate the hell out of me if I'm a player. Is Jacque Vaughn really that much better?

[Kamnik]

Good job by Beno. Hopefully he can stay focused, in shape and revive his NBA career.

I sincerely wish that for him...

EVEN THOUGH i did completely gave up on him :rolleyes


Maybe he really didnt fit good into military like Popovich system and he needs more breathing space.

[Kamnik]

Good job by Beno. Hopefully he can stay focused, in shape and revive his NBA career.

I sincerely wish that for him...

EVEN THOUGH i did completely gave up on him :rolleyes


Maybe he really didnt fit good into military like Popovich system and he needs more breathing space.

[MI21]

I noticed something in the box score of Beno's game...


L. Hunter DNP - Coach's Decision

[loveforthegame]

Everyone in Sacramento seems really high on him. I can't turn on the radio or watch the news without them going ga-ga over him.

With rumors of the Cavs and Heat wanting to trade for Bibby again I wonder if the Kings are willing to do so now with Udrih proving he can play in their system?

[Texas_Ranger]

I'd like to see that Bibby is traded so Beno can play like he's playing so far. I also read that when Bibby comes back Beno will have a big role in the Kings play. So...we'll see.

[MoSpur]

I noticed something in the box score of Beno's game...


:lmao

Good observation

[jmard5]

:lmao

Good observation

:wtf I don't get it...

[Creation88]

Because he didn't give a shit.

when did he ever say he didn't give a shit. maybe he didn't b/c Pop put him in the doghouse and he was never able to showcase his capabilities. now look . . .

[Slomo]

Totally agree with this assessment. You have players like Finley, Hedo, and even Tony Parker (who also wasn't all that good against the Pistons in the 2005 Finals either) that have been handled with kid gloves no matter how much they fucked up but Beno was always the whipping boy for some reason. I hope the kid has a lot of success in his new surroundings.I haven't seen anybody on the current roster being yelled at as much as Tony was in his first years.

I stopped caring about Beno when he started inventing reasons for his failure blaming everybody except himself. The NVE debacle was bad but please don't use it as an excuse for his behavior. He was asked - and given the opportunity - to lead a championship caliber team and failed. Was he under pressure? sure he was - ask Manu whether he feels any pressure!

I'm horrible at holding grudges and hope he does well, but please don't use 4 decent games on the Kings as proof of Pop's incompetence. I wish him well but at the end of the day this bares to be repeated:


When the pressure's off, Udrih can perform.

Beno wanted guaranteed minutes and the freedom to play through his mistakes. That's why he is on a lottery team today.

[SpursFanFirst]

And why is Darius Washington suddenly back to riding the pine? The kid was playing damn good and now he hasn't seen the floor in 2 games. That's the kind of shit that would frustrate the hell out of me if I'm a player. Is Jacque Vaughn really that much better?

Perhaps it isn't personal and more about Pop trying to figure out how to create the best rotations.
This is a deep team, and finding time for every player has got to be tough.
It's still early. I wouldn't worry about Washington's "lack" of playing time too much.

[elec99]

Well, different systems equals a different game and a possible new level of confidence. Good for him, good to see him break out and prove himself.

[elec99]

at least for now that is....

[Fillmoe]

What I have noticed so far is that he has really good vision. He can fit passes where most PG's cant, but he seems to fuck up the easy entry passes. I have seen 1 or 2 times where he turned over an easy entry pass that shouldn't have been turned over. And on the other end I have seen him make passes that only a handful of PGs in the NBA can make.

[exstatic]

:wtf I don't get it...
Lindsey Hunter took down Beno's pants and had him at midcourt on national TV in the 2005 Finals...repeatedly. It was the beginning of Beno's downfall.

[ancestron]

yeah, Beno's probably been having Lindsey Hunter nightmares ever since then. That's really when it all began. Beno just crumbled in the half court trap. After that the Spurs got Nick Van Worthless and we all know how that turned out.

It's going to be interesting to see Beno play against the Spurs. I wonder if they'll try to steal it from him constantly.

[DAINTX]

Could it be that many (most) of us "experts" were wrong about this guy? Time will tell.

Udrih steps up big to lead Kings past Pistons
Unwanted in San Antonio, Beno Udrih appears to have found a home with the Sacramento Kings. Udrih had 23 points and six assists to help the Kings beat the Detroit Pistons 105-95 on Sunday night. Udrih, a late preseason cut by San Antonio who came to the Kings as a backup when Mike Bibby was injured just prior to the season, has quickly become a starter. He showed why against the Pistons, hitting 9 of 13 shots from the field and all five of his free throw attempts and fueling a strong second half by the Kings.

[exstatic]

Totally agree with this assessment. You have players like Finley, Hedo, and even Tony Parker (who also wasn't all that good against the Pistons in the 2005 Finals either) that have been handled with kid gloves no matter how much they fucked up
This may have been the most stupid thing ever posted here, and that says a lot. Tony Parker was NEVER handled with kid gloves. Pop screamed at him for like 3 seasons, until he got it. Tony was also the only Spur allowed to bring the ball up the floor against Hunter. When he was off the floor and it was Manu and Barry, whomever Hunter wasn't covering brought the ball up court.

Finley also isn't being coddled. He's a streak shooter, and the Spurs know this. If you bench him, you risk missing a night like Houston. He's also hustling, rebounding and making good passes, not clubbing and scarfing breakfast tacos 24/7.

You got one right: Hedo was coddled. He's also no longer a Spur. Do you see the pattern?

[SequSpur]

The Spurs fucked up and let another allstar go to another team.

Straight up. Pop is a dipshit.

[exstatic]

The Spurs fucked up and let another allstar go to another team.

Straight up. Pop is a dipshit.
OK, hitmanyr2k, you're off the hook. Sequ took your stupidity title.

[hitmanyr2k]

I haven't seen anybody on the current roster being yelled at as much as Tony was in his first years.

But through all that yelling Parker still got his playing time, didn't he? Parker was allowed to make mistakes and stay in the game, wasn't he?

[hitmanyr2k]

This may have been the most stupid thing ever posted here, and that says a lot. Tony Parker was NEVER handled with kid gloves. Pop screamed at him for like 3 seasons, until he got it.


See above.

[easjer]

These decisions are not made in a vacuum. Whatever the reasons, Beno was NEVER going to get what he wanted here - guaranteed playing time. Other players respond to that by stepping up their game and practicing as much as they can so that they are ready when their number is called and they go out and play as hard as they can to earn more minutes. Beno responded by sulking, throwing fits, being unreliable, partying, gaining weight, wasting his time on the court, and making up excuses for why he was not performing well (is, the Spurs are prejudiced against European players).

The NVE thing was a debacle, and I was upset about it at the time. I understood the early play of NVE over Beno, because he needed to get used to the system. Then in head to head competition for time, Beno faltered. He did not play as well as he had the previous year and he didn't work as hard. I do think his development was stunted and his confidence was shot because of that season. But then he had another season in which to prove himself and to prove once and for all that Pop's decisions to go with NVE were wrong, and he blew it.

I feel no pity for him - I'm thrilled he is gone. It's nice for him to go to another system and do well, but he doesn't seem to realize that he is on borrowed time there too - Bibby will come back and Beno will be back to competing for minutes. It may be possible that Bibby will be traded and Beno will be their guy, but that is yet to be seen. Beno is his own worst enemy, with delusions of granduer. For some reason, even though it was clear to everyone else, he seemed to think that he deserved minutes and had a right to challenge Parker for the starting job.

Only time will tell whether those delusions will occur again, or whether he's over them and focused on just playing ball. His comments indicate the former.

[RonMexico]

The circle is complete - my supervisor just added Beno to his fantasy team.

[Buddy Holly]

OK, hitmanyr2k, you're off the hook. Sequ took your stupidity title.

That are sarcasm guy. Sequ has been the biggest Beno hater on this forum. And why are people creaming about one game? Fuck, Oberto's had some 10 of 10 games in the past, I doubt he's All-Star material.

[Que Gee]

Lindsey Hunter took down Beno's pants and had him at midcourt on national TV in the 2005 Finals...repeatedly. It was the beginning of Beno's downfall.

Tony got abused during those Finals as well, which is why Barry got serious PG minutes in games 6 and 7.

[Cry Havoc]

The circle is complete - my supervisor just added Beno to his fantasy team.

So did I.

The fantasy shame I will endure for generations will be humiliating.

[Extra Stout]

Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

Beno is a talented player. When he first played in 2004, it was clear off the bat he had better court vision than Tony Parker, though he wasn't near the player overall that Tony was. That is why he settled immediately into the backup role. He looked promising.

But he plateaued quickly. Maybe he thought he deserved to start over Parker. Apparently that was the case. Well, that was never going to happen in San Antonio. Pop had committed to going with Parker. Parker rapidly was developing into an elite NBA player.

Then came the debacle against the Pistons in the Finals. Beno's flaw was exposed for all to see -- he struggles to handle the ball against pressure. He got benched. For those saying, "Yeah, well Tony got owned, too," please, shut the hell up. Tony struggled against the stronger Billups, but he did not turn the ball over every single possession when he was pressured by Lindsey freaking Hunter. Beno literally lost the ball every time up the floor.

From there, it seems clear that the problem with Beno was all about attitude. He felt entitled to minutes. Well, in San Antonio, that doesn't happen. Rather than working on his ballhandling, he sulked. He chose to sit out whenever he had an ache or a pain.

Even with all those problems, the Spurs held onto him through two more seasons to see if he ever would snap out of it. (That says something -- usually players with bad attitudes are on the first bus out of town.) Instead, he spent his time gaining weight and getting laid.

Talent never was the issue with Beno. It was motivation. I thought maybe he was just too lazy and too much of a diva to put in the work necessary to succeed. It turns out he was just bitter about his situation in San Antonio.

One good game in Sacramento does not a player make. There are still obvious issues about his character, his willingness to deal with adversity, and of course his ability to handle the ball against pressure. There are a lot of players who can put up nice stats on bad teams -- it doesn't make them elite players. Beno spent three seasons on a good team, most of it pouting.

[WalterBenitez]

I haven't seen anybody on the current roster being yelled at as much as Tony was in his first years.

I stopped caring about Beno when he started inventing reasons for his failure blaming everybody except himself. The NVE debacle was bad but please don't use it as an excuse for his behavior. He was asked - and given the opportunity - to lead a championship caliber team and failed. Was he under pressure? sure he was - ask Manu whether he feels any pressure!

I'm horrible at holding grudges and hope he does well, but please don't use 4 decent games on the Kings as proof of Pop's incompetence. I wish him well but at the end of the day this bares to be repeated:

POP isn't incompetent (4 rings and so on), but he can't change his method unless you are named Manu, remember first year or so when "Manu was Manu" and POP asked him ON National TV "why don't you act like a human being".

POP is a successful coach, but some guys wont fit with his method and style, anyhow ... you will agree with that POP is boring :p:

[sendman]

This thread is getting more and more stupid by the page. But I learned something.
He raided your town, took your money and porked your women!? And got fat in the process?


Beno Udrih must be some freaking VIKING!

[ploto]

Rasho was another who was coddled. I remember pop once saying that he couldn't yell at rasho because rasho would get upset...

Where on earth did you get that from- it could not be any farther from the truth. Pop did not coddle Rasho at all. He was very hard on him and expected and demanded a lot from him. In many ways Pop is the hardest on the guys that he brings in, the ones that he believes so much in and wants to see succeed. Rasho ≠ Beno.

[ploto]

He raided your town, took your money and porked your women!? And got fat in the process?

The thing is-- I wish that people would actually talk about what Beno did basketball-wise. The whole routine on here about clubbing and women got old about 2 years ago. They really have nothing to do with whether or not Beno could have succeeded as a Spur. If going out too much meant you could not succeed, then Tony Parker would have never been the NBA Finals MVP, and Robert Horry certainly would not have all those rings, as they go out as much as Beno did.

[Extra Stout]

Rasho was another who was coddled. I remember pop once saying that he couldn't yell at rasho because rasho would get upset...

no way was parker coddled, as already said...

I remember all the yelling on the sidelines with pop in parkers face.
If Pop said that, he was being sarcastic.

The difference between the criticism Rasho received from the media and fans, and the criticism he got in private from Pop, is that Pop's expectations focused on what Rasho could do, not what he couldn't.

[ChumpDumper]

The thing is-- I wish that people would actually talk about what Beno did basketball-wise. The whole routine on here about clubbing and women got old about 2 years ago. They really have nothing to do with whether or not Beno could have succeeded as a Spur. If going out too much meant you could not succeed, then Tony Parker would have never been the NBA Finals MVP, and Robert Horry certainly would not have all those rings, as they go out as much as Beno did.Beno could not have succeeded as a Spur because his priority was getting playing time for himself and completely misunderstood why he didn't get more playing time.

[sendman]

The thing is-- I wish that people would actually talk about what Beno did basketball-wise. The whole routine on here about clubbing and women got old about 2 years ago. They really have nothing to do with whether or not Beno could have succeeded as a Spur. If going out too much meant you could not succeed, then Tony Parker would have never been the NBA Finals MVP, and Robert Horry certainly would not have all those rings, as they go out as much as Beno did.

I know you would, but as you see people in here are more interested in Benos man purse. They want to know about his BLING and stuff, don't bother them with facts. Also you can find about 20 Dr. Phils on this board. They know everything about everything. They will teach the rest of us the one and only truth and your resistance is futile.
http://www.mala.bc.ca/~soules/medi402/walker/attributes.GIF

[Slomo]

Beno Udrih must be some freaking VIKING!
:lol

[Extra Stout]

I know you would, but as you see people in here are more interested in Benos man purse. They want to know about his BLING and stuff, don't bother them with facts. Also you can find about 20 Dr. Phils on this board. They know everything about everything. They will teach the rest of us the one and only truth and your resistance is futile.
http://www.mala.bc.ca/~soules/medi402/walker/attributes.GIF
Did Beno father your child or something?

He's a backup point guard who sucked during his tenure with the Spurs. The Spurs won another title with him out of the rotation, and his success or failure had absolutely no bearing on any of the weaknesses which doomed the Spurs in 2006, nor those which might afflict the Spurs in the forseeable future. Being bitter about Beno is just stupid. He's still nothing to write home about.

Why would people be bitter about Beno playing well in one game with the Kings? Why would there be any emotional attachment to him whatsoever? Hedo Turkoglu is playing like a borderline All-Star in Orlando, yet I don't see any threads decrying the Spurs' getting rid of him three years ago.

The Spurs were so fixated on getting Jason Kidd four years ago that they drafted Leandro Barbosa and traded him to Phoenix for cap space. They also passed on a guy named Josh Howard, who Dallas selected immediately thereafter, and who I've heard has given the Spurs occasional difficulties in games. Funny, where are those threads right now?

The difference between those gaffes and the beno Udrih saga is that they have actual bearing on something that really matters in actual games.

[Kibic]

WWaauuu!

[sendman]

Did Beno father your child or something?

He's a backup point guard who sucked during his tenure with the Spurs. The Spurs won another title with him out of the rotation, and his success or failure had absolutely no bearing on any of the weaknesses which doomed the Spurs in 2006, nor those which might afflict the Spurs in the forseeable future. Being bitter about Beno is just stupid. He's still nothing to write home about.

Why would people be bitter about Beno playing well in one game with the Kings? Why would there be any emotional attachment to him whatsoever? Hedo Turkoglu is playing like a borderline All-Star in Orlando, yet I don't see any threads decrying the Spurs' getting rid of him three years ago.

The Spurs were so fixated on getting Jason Kidd four years ago that they drafted Leandro Barbosa and traded him to Phoenix for cap space. They also passed on a guy named Josh Howard, who Dallas selected immediately thereafter, and who I've heard has given the Spurs occasional difficulties in games. Funny, where are those threads right now?

The difference between those gaffes and the beno Udrih saga is that they have actual bearing on something that really matters in actual games.

As I can see, you would like to know more about his man purse.

[Indazone]

lol we Rockets need a guard, can we have Ginobili for a next years first round draft pick and some cash? hahahahahahaha

[easjer]

The thing is-- I wish that people would actually talk about what Beno did basketball-wise. The whole routine on here about clubbing and women got old about 2 years ago. They really have nothing to do with whether or not Beno could have succeeded as a Spur. If going out too much meant you could not succeed, then Tony Parker would have never been the NBA Finals MVP, and Robert Horry certainly would not have all those rings, as they go out as much as Beno did.


I have talked about the basketball side of things. The other stuff intrudes though, because he made going out a priority. He got out of shape. His attitude while out was that of a superstar wannabe, and it is clear that he felt he was being underutilized and that his talents were wasted.

Chump summed it up succintly, so I don't need to repeat what he said. But he always looked elsewhere for the reasons he was not receiving playing time, when the reason was staring back at him in the mirror everyday.

I don't wish him ill, and I'm glad for his sake that he's getting another chance somewhere and appearing to make use of it. But his comments indicate to me that he's probably not shed the ego that caused many of his problems in SA. I'm beyond thrilled that he's gone.

[Indazone]

ok, that is obviously impossible but...here's a Spurs deal that will be sure to make the front office happy. Washington for cash and a first round draft pick. Don't laugh, your front office might actually do that one LMAO!!!

[Extra Stout]

As I can see, you would like to know more about his man purse.
I am much more interested in Lasko beer than I am in Beano's man-purse.

[sendman]

I am much more interested in Lasko beer than I am in Beano's man-purse.
Now I can hear you!
:clap

[ChumpDumper]

ok, that is obviously impossible but...here's a Spurs deal that will be sure to make the front office happy. Washington for cash and a first round draft pick. Don't laugh, your front office might actually do that one LMAO!!!If it's a good draft pick, why not?

[WalterBenitez]

This thread is getting more and more stupid by the page. But I learned something.
He raided your town, took your money and porked your women!? And got fat in the process?
Beno Udrih must be some freaking VIKING!


keep reading :reading

[Kriz-Maxima]

If it's a good draft pick, why not?


Yeah that actually sounds nice.

[Indazone]

cept that the Rockets will have an overall winning records and as a playoff team they will have a low first round pick.

[Extra Stout]

ok, that is obviously impossible but...here's a Spurs deal that will be sure to make the front office happy. Washington for cash and a first round draft pick. Don't laugh, your front office might actually do that one LMAO!!!
Darius Washington for cash and a pick around 25 or so?

That's actually highway robbery in favor of the Spurs.

I guess we can be certain you aren't Daryl Morey. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

cept that the Rockets will have an overall winning records and as a playoff team they will have a low first round pick.You didn't say it was the Rockets offering. Still a pretty good deal -- the Rockets would probably just waive him anyway since they have too many point guards. We'd get him right back!

You've got a deal!

[ShoogarBear]

The thing is-- I wish that people would actually talk about what Beno did basketball-wise. The whole routine on here about clubbing and women got old about 2 years ago. They really have nothing to do with whether or not Beno could have succeeded as a Spur. If going out too much meant you could not succeed, then Tony Parker would have never been the NBA Finals MVP, and Robert Horry certainly would not have all those rings, as they go out as much as Beno did. ROFLMFAO.

As usual, you provide the completely-devoid-of-reality viewpoint. ALL WE EVER TALKED ABOUT WAS WHAT HE DID (mostly didn't) DO ON THE BASKETBALL COURT.

If he could have brought the ball up against Lindsey Hunter, or if he didn't sit out for two weeks every time he had a hangnail, none of the other stuff would have mattered.

Oh, and if it were up to Beno, he'd STILL be sitting out his injury in Sacramento.

[SpurYank]

Beno is probably a victim of the constant dooms-day/cry babies/Monday morning quarterbacking that occurs on this site almost every day, The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Some of you need to get a life going besides just bitching here. It gets tiresome for people who know we are all human and have our frailties and weaknesses.

My hope is that Beno helps the Kings to the playoffs. Now, what will you say then?

[anakha]

Beno is probably a victim of the constant dooms-day/cry babies/Monday morning quarterbacking that occurs on this site almost every day, The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Some of you need to get a life going besides just bitching here. It gets tiresome for people who know we are all human and have our frailties and weaknesses.

My hope is that Beno helps the Kings to the playoffs. Now, what will you say then?

Doesn't this sound like bitching about bitching? :p:

Seriously, if Beno helps the Kings make the playoffs, good for them. And considering the talent level of the team as it is right now, good for the team that draws them in the playoffs. :devil

[ata]

I haven't seen anybody on the current roster being yelled at as much as Tony was in his first years.

....

Where would Tony be today, if Spurs could have landed Kidd?

[ChumpDumper]

My hope is that Beno helps the Kings to the playoffs. Now, what will you say then?I'll say you're a kingfan.

[TheAuthority]

Nice to see him be able to show what he can do. Popovich can't fuck up his development any longer. If I was Beno, after every post-game interview I would end it by saying "Thank you, and kiss my ass... Gregg Popovich."

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao at the benofans playing his blame game.

[KidCongo]

dam you danny ferry why didn't we pick this Piston killer up

[WalterBenitez]

Where would Tony be today, if Spurs could have landed Kidd?

shinning in HOuston? :oops

[Slomo]

Where would Tony be today, if Spurs could have landed Kidd? I don't know. Married to Marcia Cross?

I have no idea what would have happened if that went ahead, I'm just replying to the dumb point that Tony had it easy.

Tony responds really well to pressure and I'd like to think that he would have kicked Kidd out of the starting lineup (specially if Kidd suffered the same injury he did that season) in any case too many ifs and maybes.


My hope is that Beno helps the Kings to the playoffs. Now, what will you say then?I'll order a big plate of crow and eat it. I have no problem with him or the Kings doing well, just please keep his achievements in perspective.
But I also hope that when he goes back to his ways you'll admit you were wrong too. Please understand that what many of us are saying is based on things HE said publicly and things he did (or didn't do) on the court. You can't deny those things and if after that you are still optimistic - well good for you, I'm not.

And finally even if he becomes the second coming of Magic Johnson, he can't take what he said back and that fact alone will always make me happy he's not on our roster anymore.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if beno gets the kings to the playoffs

beno > whoever you wanna bring up to the plate

[ChumpDumper]

:lol It's not like Mike Bibby retired.

He'll be back next month.

[Harry Callahan]

ok, that is obviously impossible but...here's a Spurs deal that will be sure to make the front office happy. Washington for cash and a first round draft pick. Don't laugh, your front office might actually do that one LMAO!!!
Hey numbnuts,
The Rockette front office traded away Rudy Gay last year for Shane Battier. Gay will very possibly be playing in All Star Games in the near future. He is averaging 19 points a game on 48% shooting (40% from 3) and threw a tomahawk dunk down on your beloved Scola when Memphis beat Houston.

Check some of my posts about the many great transactions Houston has made in recent years.

BTW, lets see Houston win a playoff series (it's been a decade).

Goodbye

[Texas_Ranger]

Beno will destroy Steve Nash tonight. At least I hope so. :spin :spin

[Dario]

That isn't out of the question given how good nash is on defense.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Just remember Spur fans Parker say Spanoulis better than Beno. Just remember like I keep saying to you patience all move by Spurs make sense in time.

[Slomo]

http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Emoticons/not_this_shit_again.jpg

[Slo spurs fan]

:lol It's not like Mike Bibby retired.

He'll be back next month.
He (Bibby) will be traded or moved on the bench and become 6th player for the Kings.

[ChumpDumper]

He (Bibby) will be traded or moved on the bench and become 6th player for the Kings.:lmao

The first choice was actually plausible. Good way to start the day.

[Slo spurs fan]

Wait and see. Bibby is a cancer for Kings team play and locker room. Last game they had 6 players in double figures, which didn´t happen with Bibby at all. And they all (including coach) know, with Bibby back in the starting lineup it would not happen again.
Just wait and see.

[ThomasGranger]

all move by Spurs make sense in time.

I got that in a fortune cookie not long ago.

[Pero]

That isn't out of the question given how good nash is on defense.

Yeah but on the other hand Beno isn't exactly a superpower on defense either. :lol

[ata]

http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Emoticons/not_this_shit_again.jpg

V-Span counted to infinity - twice
When V-Span does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.
....

[JPB]

Just remember Spur fans Parker say Spanoulis better than Beno. Just remember like I keep saying to you patience all move by Spurs make sense in time.

Ever heard about punctuation ?

[sendman]

V-Span counted to infinity - twice
When V-Span does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.
....
Don't go there. Don't be same asshole as some.
V-Span is very solid bball player. I think that he is no worst than Calderon.
Difference is that Calderon got a chance and he didn't.
There are very few bad players in this league. Just think about rigorous scanning of every single player before he is offered an NBA contract. Most of this guys are damn good players. In fact this is about 450 best players selected from all over the world. NBA doesn't overlook many. Some of them just don't fit in their teams for some reason. There are a lot of little things that can make or break somebodies future. Some of them just can't handle fame and money and sometimes they just don't get that lucky break. And usually you don't get to many chances. But be sure, all of them can ball.
Oh well there are some logs among them for sure, but managers like to gamble on 7,2 footers or even bigger dudes.

[ata]

Don't go there. Don't be same asshole as some.
V-Span is very solid bball player. I think that he is no worst than Calderon.
Difference is that Calderon got a chance and he didn't.
There are very few bad players in this league. Just think about rigorous scanning of every single player before he is offered an NBA contract. Most of this guys are damn good players. In fact this is about 450 best players selected from all over the world. NBA doesn't overlook many. Some of them just don't fit in their teams for some reason. There are a lot of little things that can make or break somebodies future. Some of them just can't handle fame and money and sometimes they just don't get that lucky break. And usually you don't get to many chances. But be sure, all of them can ball.
Oh well there are some logs among them for sure, but managers like to gamble on 7,2 footers or even bigger dudes.

I am not same asshole as some, I am some other kind of asshole :drunk

V-Span can block Yao's alley-up while sitting on the floor.

[Extra Stout]

Wow, Vagisilis Spanakopitas is better than Beano!

[sendman]

I am not same asshole as some, I am some other kind of asshole :drunk

V-Span can block Yao's alley-up while sitting on the floor.

As long as you admit that you are an asshole.

[smrattler]

Beno will destroy Steve Nash tonight. At least I hope so. :spin :spin

:nope

[Extra Stout]

Last night: 23 minutes, 2-10 shooting, 8 points, 4 dimes from the man-purse, no turnovers, 6 drinks, 3 chicks, 1.5 pounds

[ArgSpursFan.]

6 drinks, 3 chicks, 1.5 pounds
that's it????
Damn :lol

[Extra Stout]

that's it????
Damn :lol
He had an off-night.

[loveforthegame]

Beno had more than an off night, he left the game with an injured leg. I still can't find out what the hell is wrong though.

[Extra Stout]

Beno had more than an off night, he left the game with an injured leg. I still can't find out what the hell is wrong though.
It's Sacramento, for chrissakes. Three women in one night is 600 pounds of lady. Of course he has an injured leg. He's lucky he doesn't have a crushed pelvis.

[smrattler]

When did he get injured, during or supposedly before the game?

[ArgSpursFan.]

He had an off-night.

OK,now It sounds more like good old Beno :lol

[Brutalis]

Who is Beno Udrih?

[Extra Stout]

BTW, shouldn't this be moved to the Kings forum? It could use the traffic.

[ChumpDumper]

wtf are all the benowagon fans now? Damn, it's just one game.

[picnroll]

Having watch nearly all of Beno's King's game minutes it's the same old Beno. One good quarter of scoring, bad turnovers, slow, etc.. Nobody should feel like the Sours lost a diamond.

Scola on the otherhand is rounding into form, making shots you would expect him to make based on his Euro play. Soon only whottt and a few other diehards will carry the Scola sucks torch.

[ArgSpursFan.]

Scola on the otherhand is rounding into form, making shots you would expect him to make based on his Euro play. Soon only whottt and a few other diehards will carry the Scola sucks torch.

He's improving in on the boards,now doubt.
But he's shooting over 50 % fg.
If you mix those things up,and add his passing abylities and BBIQ,you get a fine role player.

[whottt]

Scola on the otherhand is rounding into form, making shots you would expect him to make based on his Euro play. Soon only whottt and a few other diehards will carry the Scola sucks torch.


Eh...I didn't expect him to suck as badly as he did at first...I expected him to suck later on. I still expect that...in fact, because he sucked so badly at first, I expect him to suck even worse later on than I originally expected him to suck.


He's made some J's.....that's not the main thing you want from a PF. Teams will just stop leaving him open and poof, that will dry up. I expected his post game to be ahead of the NBA defenders however...the fact that it hasn't been tells me his athleticism is even more un NBA caliber than I thought it was....I expect him to make adjustments and have few good games in the post, and then I expect the NBA teams to adjust...and then Scola will suck.


Guy doesn't have what it takes to be a good player in the NBA...and it's going to take more than 2 good games to convince me I was wrong...especially when I have another 7 games that say I was right.

[ArgSpursFan.]

Eh...I didn't expect him to suck as badly as he did at first...I expected him to suck later on. I still expect that...in fact, because he sucked so badly at first, I expect him to suck even worse later on than I originally expected him to suck.

.

Go take a look at Manu's or Nocioni's stats in their roockie seasons and you´ll find out that the sucked most of their roockie year until they got some playing time. Same with Herrmann.
It takes a while for Argies to get used to the NBA speed and rules,and also it takes some time for the coaches to start trusting them too.
With Scola is a deferent deal,coze the Rockets are short handed at the PF spot,so he got some minutes early in the season,and it's working out pretty good for him and his teammates to get to know eachother.
Also,I have some bad news for you wottt, the guy wont be a bust,as you predicted.
And I told you these way before Scola got traded to the Rockets.
You might know about US players,but when I comes to International players,You defenetly have a long way to go.

[whottt]

Go take a look at Manu's or Nocioni's stats in their roockie seasons and you´ll find out that the sucked most of their roockie year until they got some playing time. Same with Herrmann.

Manu was injured at the start of his rookie season, and then he got injured again. Oberto barely got off the bench.





It takes a while for Argies to get used to the NBA speed and rules,and also it takes some time for the coaches to start trusting them too.
With Scola is a deferent deal,coze the Rockets are short handed at the PF spot,so he got some minutes early in the season,and it's working out pretty good for him and his teammates to get to know eachother.

No...it's a different deal with Scola because he is highly regarded and plays for a good team...that would like a scoring PF.






Also,I have some bad news for you wottt, the guy wont be a bust,as you predicted.
And I told you these way before Scola got traded to the Rockets.
You might know about US players,but when I comes to International players,You defenetly have a long way to go.

All you gotta do is a forum search on my name and type in the names Oberto and Sarunas...then tell me I don't know what I am talking about.


So far I am batting about 1000.



Ever hear of Gordan Giricek? That's who Scola is...

He might be as good as Oberto...might, that's if he overachieves.


At best...he'll be a guy that can hurt you if you forget about him.

Who can't play any position other than PF...


Not worth all the hype...and the Spurs have no shortage of those types of players.


If he's lucky he'll wind up the fourth best Arige in the NBA.

[ArgSpursFan.]

Manu was injured at the start of his rookie season, and then he got injured again. Oberto barely got off the bench.
what about Nocioni and Herrmann????


No...it's a different deal with Scola because he is highly regarded and plays for a good team...that would like a scoring PF.

Actually that's a good thing,if you can pull it off in a good team(wich has GOOD players)that defenetly sais that you're a good player too.




So far I am batting about 1000.

Well,that average will go down with your Scola's predictions



Ever hear of Gordan Giricek? That's who Scola is...
Scola is Scola,plain and simple.


He might be as good as Oberto...might, that's if he overachieves.
mmmmmm,lets see
The way he is improving on the boards,+ his mid range jumper off the pick and roll,make him a good all around interior player.
So I would say,a better version of Fabricio


At best...he'll be a guy that can hurt you if you forget about him.
well,being a role player,He'll always be wide open to hit his mid range jumper,when Yao or T-mac get doubled.


Who can't play any position other than PF...

I give you that one.
But a very effective PF.



Not worth all the hype...and the Spurs have no shortage of those types of players.

Yeah,right.....
Matt Bonner.
Ok, I get it.

[whottt]

what about Nocioni and Herrmann????


What about them? Link to me saying they were going to suck? I wanted Nocioni.





Actually that's a good thing,if you can pull it off in a good team(wich has GOOD players)that defenetly sais that you're a good player too.


It also says he's not going to get the ball much...and since the thing he does is score....






Well,that average will go down with your Scola's predictions



Scola is Scola,plain and simple.

No...what it is is ironic...

As the 2002 season began the Spurs had 2 shooting guards from Europe they could bring over...

One was named Manu Ginobili...and the other was named Gordan Giricek..


The Spurs traded Gordan Giricek...and much like now...the board was full of alarmists claiming the Spurs made some horrible mistake...

I however was not one of them, for I knew they had kept the right one.


Now? after Giricek was traded 4 or 5 times and has settled into the role of a bench player who is often at odds with his coach...

You never hear those people that complained and predicted disaster for the Spurs trading Giricek...

You never hear a word from them...much like you never hear a word from those proclaiming Sarunas would be a star.

I instantly proclaimed Manu a star and future AS after seeing him in the 2002 WC...and I wanted Oberto too.






mmmmmm,lets see
The way he is improving on the boards,+ his mid range jumper off the pick and roll,make him a good all around interior player.
So I would say,a better version of Fabricio


You would say that if you think PPG and scoring is the most important thing in the world...and for the Spurs, it's not. They have plenty of scorers....what they need is someone who can support those guys while they are scoring, something Scola really doesn't do.



And when does do it? He's not going to do it as well as Oberto does it...


He's a scorer, and he's not going to be as good of a scorer in the NBA...









Yeah,right.....
Matt Bonner.
Ok, I get it.


I figure Matt Bonner's about right...I'll give Scola that he probably isn't as much of a choker as Bonner is...

But the Spurs kept Bonner because he can hit threes....and that's something Scola can't do. If they need a guy to make smart scores off Duncan/Parker/Manu doubles...they have a ton of those.

[whottt]

Just so you know...when Duncan was injured Rasho would put up about 15 and 9...how's he doing now?


And he's more an NBA talent than Scola is...

[whottt]

The one criticism that can be made at the Spurs which is accurate...and it's actually one I don't hear made very often...


The Spurs probably could have gotten more for Scola in trade if they had signed him and featured him in training camp and early in the season...

[Ladyspur .]

The one criticism that can be made at the Spurs which is accurate...and it's actually one I don't hear made very often...


The Spurs probably could have gotten more for Scola in trade if they had signed him and featured him in training camp and early in the season...

Sure RC. That would've been a neat trick.

[ArgSpursFan.]

What about them? Link to me saying they were going to suck? I wanted Nocioni.
they sucked at the begining of their roockie seasons,but got better with some playing time,just like Scola.





It also says he's not going to get the ball much...and since the thing he does is score....
Not really,the guy can pass,and he's getting better on the boards too.

He needs to work on his D,we agree on that,but so does Bonner,doesn't he???
And as today,Scola is doing better on the boards tham Matt is.




As the 2002 season began the Spurs had 2 shooting guards from Europe they could bring over...
One was named Manu Ginobili...and the other was named Gordan Giricek..
I instantly proclaimed Manu a star and future AS after seeing him in the 2002 WC...and I wanted Oberto too.

Well,that tells me,that with Scola you're not being objetive.
You just hate the guy(I don't know why)



You would say that if you think PPG and scoring is the most important thing in the world...and for the Spurs, it's not. They have plenty of scorers....what they need is someone who can support those guys while they are scoring, something Scola really doesn't do.

Scola aint just a scorer,He is becoming a very decent rebounder,and the spurs don't have a very decent rebounder besides Duncan Right now.
Elson,Bonner and Fabricio are just average to bellow average rebounders.
Don't tell me you wouldn't love to have an ok scorer and rebounder come off the bench when Timmy is getting some rest,coze I wont believe it.




I figure Matt Bonner's about right...I'll give Scola that he probably isn't as much of a choker as Bonner is..

Not only that.Scola can hit the mid range jumper at about 50% average,Bonner can hit some 3s(but not in a high %)
Scola is improving on the Boards,Bonner isn't.
And Scola's BBIQ>Matt's

[whottt]

Luis tearing it up tonight :tu

[Spurs Brazil]

Beno DNP

[gamuza]

Today he didn't even touch the ball.

[Texas_Ranger]

I think he's injured.

[TMTTRIO]

It looks like Beno's injured again:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/10488754/rss
The Kings, winless in five games on the road this season, were also without guard Beno Udrih. Theus said Udrih sustained a right knee injury during Tuesday's game.
To replace Artest and Udrih, the Kings started John Salmons at forward and Francisco

[timvp]

:lmao

Beno hurt already? Reason #112,234,745 I'm glad he's no longer on the Spurs.

[E20]

LMAO Beno decieved me. I had him starting at PG for my fantasy team and all of a sudden it says that he is out with a quad injury.

[timvp]

I didn't think Beno would transform into Fragile Beno while with the Kings. He's in a contract year and that's always when he plays his best. I expected him to continue to put up numbers, sign a long contract and then turn into a more injury prone version of Alvin Williams.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lmao ROFL ROFL ROFL :lmao

[ShoogarBear]

Classic Beno. Notes how it didn't say thet Beno was injured. They wrote that "Theus said" he was injured.

[bdictjames]

Lol I guess he just wants the Kings to know he has potential to be a good point guard.

[timvp]

Lol I guess he just wants the Kings to know he has potential to be a good point guard.Good point.

Actually, that's kinda how Beno got the Spurs to draft him. In the Chicago pre-draft camp, he played really well in the first day of camp. Then between that day and the next day, Beno came down with an "injury" that kept him away for the rest of the camp.

[ShoogarBear]

Now he can go back to the Slovenian papers and talk about how he was on track to be an All-Star with the Kings but injuries stopped him.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Now he can go back to the Slovenian papers and talk about how he was on track to be an All-Star with the Kings but injuries stopped him.
But he also picks up some breakfast tacos in San Antonio. So he needs an airline that can fly him to the place where needs to go. A place called San Ancramentovenia.

[timvp]

But he also picks up some breakfast tacos in San Antonio. So he needs an airline that can fly him to the place where needs to go. A place called San Ancramentovenia.
:lol

Nicely done.

[ShoogarBear]

That was better than the commerical. :lol

[polandprzem]

a quad injury?


Was he riding a quad and he was too tired to play the game?

[timvp]

Beno banged up – Kings point guard Beno Udrih said he's optimistic he will play Friday after sitting out Wednesday.

Udrih suffered a right quadriceps contusion in the second quarter of Tuesday's game.

"It wasn't that bad, but it just got tighter and tighter," Udrih said. "I iced it in the second half, but I was getting slower, I couldn't push off, and I was slowing down my teammates."

:rollin

[Texas_Ranger]

HAHAHA. The player is injured and you all laugh. Very funny.

[ata]

Beno is neither hurt nor injured. He suffered contusion (slovensko - udarec, podpludba). He is not in pain, he can move and play, however, he doesn't want to slow his teammates down.
What a sorry excuse knowing that Kings have only Bibby (out) and Beno in PG position.
That is the determination Beno delivers.

[ArgSpursFan.]

Luis tearing it up tonight :tu

So is Bonner :toast

[angel_luv]

Feel better, B!

And back in the game you go. :)

[ShoogarBear]

HAHAHA. The player is injured and you all laugh. Very funny.He had a contusion that 95% of NBA players would play through usually, and 99% would play through knowing their team is short-handed.

[SpursIndonesia]

Well, Beno won't be called El Contusion anytime soon it seems. :lol

[ashbeeigh]

Soo can we get a vbookie on how much ballin' we'll see from Beno on Monday night when the Spurs play the Kings?

[hsxvvd]

Soo can we get a vbookie on how much ballin' we'll see from Beno on Monday night when the Spurs play the Kings?

I was just about to ask the same thing!

Beno isn't the best when facing adversity, so I think he'll choke big time.