Gasol finally going to Chicago???

[ArgSpursFan.]

IT came out on ESPN's website for LatinAmerica(needs translation)

It basically sais that Gasol will get traded to the Bulls and Memphis would get Nocioni and/or Tyrus Thomas in return


Source: http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=625747&s=bas&type=story

¿Un cambio que habla en español?
Según voceros de los Chicago Bulls, el alero argentino Andrés Nocioni podría estar involucrado en un posible intercambio con el español Pau Gasol, de los Memphis GrizzliesTélam

Publicado: 4 de diciembre de 2007, 12:33 PM ET


NEW YORK -- El alero argentino Andrés Nocioni estaría involucrado en el pase del alero-centro español Paul Gasol, de Memphis Grizzlies a Chicago Bulls, en una de las transferencias más resonantes de la NBA en lo que va del año, según anunciaron voceros de la franquicia.
Los Grizzlies amagaron en varias ocasiones está temporada en ceder a Gasol a los Bulls y ése parece ser su destino más probable, según público el diario Marca.
Mark Iavaroni, entrenador de Memphis, y Chris Wallace, manager general de la franquicia, consideran que pueden sacar más beneficio traspasando al internacional español a cambio de jugadores como Andrés 'Chapu' Nocioni o Tyrus Thomas. Ahora sólo resta que los responsables de Memphis encuentren la oferta que mejor se adecúa a sus pretensiones (jugadores y futuras elecciones en el draft), pero la decisión de venderle está tomada.
Un informe interno de los especialistas de la NBA alaba las virtudes ofensivas de Pau Gasol, pero considera que sus puntos menos fuertes son la defensa y el rebote.
El nuevo estilo de juego impuesto por Iavaroni en los Grizzlies busca reforzar precisamente estas dos últimas facetas (junto a la velocidad), por lo que la llegada de un jugador como Thomas, más físico, sería vista con buenos ojos en Memphis.
Por contraposición, el tipo de juego ofensivo y técnico de Gasol entraría a la perfección en Chicago (donde tendría de escudero de lujo a 'Big Ben' Wallace, uno de los mejores reboteadores y defensores de la NBA).
En lo que se lleva jugado de la temporada 2007-08 los números de Gasol bajaron de 20,8 puntos y 9,8 rebotes por partido a 16,6 y 7,2.
Tanto Iavaroni como Wallace verían con muy buenos ojos reforzar el equipo con 'Chapu' Nocioni (tantearon su fichaje en verano) o Tyrus Thomas (el técnico de los Grizzlies recomendó su fichaje en su época en Phoenix).
El santafesino está en su cuarto año con la franquicia de Illinois y promedia 15 puntos y 6 rebotes por partido.

[travis2]

Machine translation...spotty, but readable...

The Argentine winger Andrés Nocioni would be involved in the pair of the winger-central Spanish one Paul Gasol, of Memphis Grizzlies to Chicago Bulls, in one of the most resounding transfers of the NBA in which goes of the year, as announced spokesmen of the franchise. The Grizzlies threatened in several occasions is season in yielding to Gasol to the Bulls and that seems to be its more probable destiny, according to public the newspaper Mark. Mark Iavaroni, coach of Memphis, and Chris Wallace, general manager of the franchise, they consider that they can remove more benefit transferring to the international Spaniard in exchange for players as Andrés 'Chapu' Nocioni or Tyrus Thomas. Now only it subtracts that the responsible for Memphis they find the offering that better is adapted to its pretensions (players and future elections in the draft), but the decision to sell him is taken. An internal report of the specialists of the NBA praises the offensive virtues of Pau Gasol, but considers that their points less strong are the defense and the repercussion. The new style of play imposed by Iavaroni in the Grizzlies seeks to reinforce exactly these two last facets all together to the velocity), for which the arrival of a player as Thomas, more physical, seen with good eyes in Memphis. By comparison, the type of offensive play and technician of Gasol would enter to the perfection in Chicago (where he would have of squire of luxury to 'Big Ben' Wallace, one of the better rebounders and defenders of the NBA). In which he is carried played of the season 2007-08 the numbers of Gasol descended of 20.8 points and 9.8 repercussions by party to 16.6 and 7.2. As much Iavaroni as Wallace would see with very good eyes to reinforce the team with 'Chapu' Nocioni (tantearon his acquisition in summer) or Tyrus Thomas (the technician of the Grizzlies recommended his acquisition in his epoch in Phoenix). The santafesino is in its fourth year with the franchise of Illinois and averages 15 points and 6 repercussions by party.

[BonnerDynasty]

I wish the Spurs could have figured out some way to get Nocioni.

[resistanze]

Damn, Chicago would trade like the only person on their team with balls.

[Bruno]

This rumor come from a Sam smith article :
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-071202smith,1,2443518.column?coll=cs-bulls-headlines


Post-it for Bulls: Go get Gasol
Grizzlies may be ready to shop out-of-place forward

Sam Smith
December 3, 2007

Now that the Bulls appear to be straightening themselves out some, it's time to deal.

The name that will be heard the most, here and around the NBA, is a familiar one. Not Kobe Bryant. If things start to go bad Monday night when the Bulls host Dallas, I wonder if the United Center fans will begin chanting, "Pau, Pau."

That's who'll be available who most fits the Bulls' needs and about whom the Bulls have had trade discussions before. Last winter they refused to deal Luol Deng for Pau Gasol, and that was reasonable. Though Gasol—in theory, anyway—has a post presence, it's doubtful the exchange would have netted the Bulls more offense after giving up Deng's scoring. That was when Jerry West was in charge in Memphis.

Now with a new general manager, a new coach in Marc Iavaroni and a new style, it's clear that Gasol is lost and likely expendable. At least that's the belief around the NBA, and teams expect a shot at Gasol by the trading deadline. The question is how much you really can give up for a seventh-year player who never has been a good rebounder or defender and hasn't been on the winning side in a playoff game.

How about Tyrus Thomas and Andres Nocioni?

That's a deal that makes some sense for both sides in that it doesn't alter the Bulls' perimeter core of Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon and Deng. And it gives Memphis an athletic runner in Thomas, who fits Iavaroni's fast-paced style.

When Iavaroni was the lead assistant for the Suns, there was serious discussion of dealing Shawn Marion for the rights to Thomas because the Suns liked Thomas so much. Also, the Grizzlies were prepared to go after restricted free agent Nocioni last summer, but when they realized the Bulls would match the offer, they opted for Darko Milicic.

The Grizzlies see Milicic, just back from injury, as a better role-playing fit than Gasol. Such a deal would enable them to spread the court better with shooters, since they have Mike Miller and Rudy Gay and can move Gay to small forward and Miller to shooting guard.

Gasol is not a classic back-to-the-basket player, but he's a 7-footer. He'd allow the Bulls to put Ben Wallace back at power forward, where he belongs, and enable Wallace to play more help-side defense, at which he excels.

It also would enable the Bulls to slow the game more and throw it inside. Failing to do that has been one cause of their high turnover rate because they're always seeking drive-and-kick opportunities. Movement is nice, but it also leads to more mishandling when there's no change-of-pace release when the shooters go cold.

Gasol clearly is out of place in Memphis. Though he has backed off his vocal trade demands of last season, he's averaging career lows in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals, while his minutes haven't changed dramatically. Having been burned by speaking out last season, he has remained quiet. But the Grizzlies are expected to start exploring the market for him.

"I have to be a little more active without the ball," Gasol told Memphis media. "There are not a lot of plays called. Period.

"It's more of a flow game. I haven't felt extremely comfortable with it because I was used to being told, 'You go here, this is going to happen and you're going to get the ball.' I just have to look for the ball and get my offense in the flow. It's been hard to assimilate."

The Grizzlies also made a nice pickup of shooting guard Juan Carlos Navarro, who is close with Gasol. And since Navarro is just on a one-year contract, the Bulls could sign him next summer as a free agent to complement and comfort Gasol.

Kobe isn't going to happen. This one makes more sense.

I don't think you can consider the Gasol for Nocioni+Thomas as a serious rumor because Sam Smith isn't very reliable and it was more a suggestion than a rumor in his article.

[ArgSpursFan.]

I recall an article from a Spanish newspaper when gasol said by the end of last season that there was a team that his agent was talking to in order to get out of Memphis, and He also said that He felt that he was gonna get traded after this season gets started. I guess He knew what he was talking about.
If I were Nocioni I would do it in a heartbeat. He is the only Bulls player busting his ass on the floor right now.

[Mr. Body]

Nocioni is the only guy with a heart on Chicago, as others have said.

That said, Gasol isn't the 'franchise' player the Bulls need. They should go balls-to-the-wall for Kobe.

[FromWayDowntown]

To echo others, I'm not sure why the Bulls would want to go from dysfunctional but with a guy who'll run through a brick wall and eat razor blade soup to win games to dysfunctional with an overpaid softy as their presumptive best player.

[resistanze]

Too bad the value of their "Medium 3" has probably taken a hit. I don't know who would bite on Hinrich's 48 million contract and Gordon's bi-polar shooting touch.

[Medvedenko]

I heard the same Spanish media saying that Pau will be playing with his brother in LA in 08...once the lakers trade Kwame, Odom and Critt for Gasol...way too much to give up but these rumours are all just that....rumours.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Damn, Chicago would trade like the only person on their team with balls.
Yeah, that sucks if this turns out to be true.

I think Chicago got pigeonholed by the crappy play of their other potentially tradeable parts. Hinrich sucks

Nocioni would have made up for Gasol's "softness" and they probably would have played well together.

[cheguevara]

Damn, Chicago would trade like the only person on their team with balls.

LMAO so true

Chapu got some brass balls

[Bruno]

A player like Gasol will really help Bulls. However, I think that Nocioni and Thomas isn't enough to get him.

[bdictjames]

I thought Bulls needed a post player, why Gasol?

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Too little too late. The Bulls fucked themselves over and can thank John Paxon's stupid ass for doing that. He overrated Deng and Gordon and claimed them untradeable when it came to landing players like KG or Kobe. While Gasol isnt a bad pickup, its only going to do so much. The Bulls are going to blow that team up and start all over within the next 2-3 years. No post game, no superstar, an overpaid center who is declining, and 1 stupid GM who fucked this franchise over.

[SenorSpur]

The Bulls also fucked themselves last year by giving Ben Wallace $15 mil per year for 4 years.

[mystargtr34]

The Ben Wallace deal really screwed them....ive never really understood why they would give up a 23 year old guy (Chandler) for a undersized 31 year old at the time who did the same thing on the floor.... rebound and block shots.

They should have traded Deng + Thomas + Noah and a pick for Garnett... Thomas' value coming in to this season was huge... but he hasnt really improved.

Chandler
Garnett
Nociono
Gordon
Hinrich

That could have really been something....

Hindsight is 20/20 but i think in the decisions Paxson made in these cases... he was in the minority relative to the media.. if you have a chance to get Garnett for potential....you go and get Kevin fucking Garnett

[ArgSpursFan.]

Chandler
Garnett
Nociono
Gordon
Hinrich

That could have really been something....


I agree. Now,if they trade Tyron Thomas+Deng for Gasol they can have a decent and upgraded lineup.

Wallace
Gasol
Nocioni
Gordon
Hinrich

Not bad, considering that Gasol and Nocioni could compliment eachother well,and Wallace should just concentrate on rebounding and Defence.

[mystargtr34]

I agree. Now,if they trade Tyron Thomas+Deng for Gasol they can have a decent and upgraded lineup.

Wallace
Gasol
Nocioni
Gordon
Hinrich

Not bad, considering that Gasol and Nocioni could compliment eachother well,and Wallace should just concentrate on rebounding and Defence.

I dont think Paxson will give up Deng... but probably the last person they can afford to lose right now is Noc... hes keeping that from being a complete joke the past few games.

I still think Paxson draws the line at Noc + Thomas + Thabo/pick

You cant spend $60 mil on Ben Wallace and then try keep guys who are years away like Thomas and Thabo at the expense of gettin a guy like Gasol...

[Purple & Gold]

I heard the same Spanish media saying that Pau will be playing with his brother in LA in 08...once the lakers trade Kwame, Odom and Critt for Gasol...way too much to give up but these rumours are all just that....rumours.

That was a Spanish newspaper. This is ESPN Deportes, which is Latin American. It has a little more credibility than the Spanish fishwrap. Not much, but a little more.

[Purple & Gold]

Nocioni is the only guy with a heart on Chicago, as others have said.

That said, Gasol isn't the 'franchise' player the Bulls need. They should go balls-to-the-wall for Kobe.

I think Kobe has taken the Bulls off his list. They aren't any better than the Lakers and Boston looks like the Conference winner already.

[batboy]

Pau. Gasol. Is. Overrated.

[bostonguy]

I would love to thank John Paxon for doing my Celts a favor. I cant wait to kick those asses tomorrow night. Thank you for declaring those pieces of shit Deng and Gordon "untradeable" for a player like KG. Tomorrow they will be kicking themselves for making that decision once again.

[J.T.]

I would love to thank John Paxon for doing my Celts a favor. I cant wait to kick those asses tomorrow night. Thank you for declaring those pieces of shit Deng and Gordon "untradeable" for a player like KG. Tomorrow they will be kicking themselves for making that decision once again.

Lol, what a jagoff.

[Staff Sgt. Dignam]

Lol, what a jagoff.

What's a lace curtain southerner like you doing calling people jagoffs?

[bostonguy]

Lol, what a jagoff.


Kg is worth getting even if you have to give up your worthless #9 pick and 2 average players in Deng and Gordon. Im glad it didnt work out. Their stupidity led us to landing KG making us the team to beat in the East and one of the top 4-5 teams in the league. As long as we stay healthy and keep playing team ball, I dont see that changing.

[Spawn]

The Ben Wallace deal really screwed them....ive never really understood why they would give up a 23 year old guy (Chandler) for a undersized 31 year old at the time who did the same thing on the floor.... rebound and block shots.

They should have traded Deng + Thomas + Noah and a pick for Garnett... Thomas' value coming in to this season was huge... but he hasnt really improved.

Chandler
Garnett
Nociono
Gordon
Hinrich

That could have really been something....

Hindsight is 20/20 but i think in the decisions Paxson made in these cases... he was in the minority relative to the media.. if you have a chance to get Garnett for potential....you go and get Kevin fucking Garnett

Co-fucking-sign!!!

[Spawn]

The papers around here have been saying that the Bulls are thinking about trading for Jason Kidd for Big Ben and Hinrich. Skiles and Kidd, how bout it.

[resistanze]

Nah, they'd never do that. As much as I want to punch Hinrich in the face, Kidd wouldn't solve their problems at all.

And Gasol is like Jermaine O'Neal, they put up decent numbers most of the time, but they still end up feeling invisible.

[Vinny Del Negro]

The Bulls also fucked themselves last year by giving Ben Wallace $15 mil per year for 4 years.

Quoted for emphasis. They deserve nothing. In fact, Pau's giant weeping vagina would be humorous to watch playing next to Ben Wallace's giant, angry, $15 million vagina. :fro

[SAGambler]

I wish the Spurs could have figured out some way to get Nocioni.

Me too. I like his game. He is the one shining spot on a Bulls team that should be doing much better than they are.

I can't see how these guys miss so many easy shots.

Right now they are playing Boston pretty close the first half, but still probably shooting in the 30 something percent range.

But they have held Bost big 3 to 5 of 15 shooting.

[G-Money]

Me too. I like his game. He is the one shining spot on a Bulls team that should be doing much better than they are.

I can't see how these guys miss so
many easy shots.
Right now they are playing Boston pretty close the first half, but still probably shooting in the 30 something percent range.

But they have held Bost big 3 to 5 of 15 shooting.


They never miss when they are playing the Pistons!!! :bang :madrun :pctoss