Spurs better without Duncan?

[thispego]

Discuss.

[johnpaulwall21]

fuck no

[duncan228]

These two wins have been impressive.
But this team does not win a Championship without Duncan.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

wow... I guess you didn't watch tonight's game very closely did ya? Our defense is crap without him. They murder us in the paint. Can you imagine the Spurs without their D? Defense is out identity, we live and die by it. Take Duncan away, and we're dead, simple as that.

[CubanMustGo]

Umm, I guess you can't count. Utah had about a bazillion points in the paint. TD plays and it's no contest.

[TDMVPDPOY]

without duncan, this team can still fight for a playoff spot imo

[lefty]

Discuss.

Stupid thread

[Hemotivo]

no way

[THE SIXTH MAN]

This shouldn't even be discussed. The answer is NO.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

No - we just can't maintain this pace forever - team is not built today on the idea of not having Tim for long periods of time or never. With another structure/players it might be why not but not now.

[leemajors]

choade bloated i saaaiid.

[CubanMustGo]

Spurstalk.com better without thispego?

Discuss.

Fixed.

[koopa]

if anyone thinks we are they need to be hit in the face with a sledge hammer

we may be winning without him, but our post defense sucks ass without him....and our low post scoring isn't that great, we are just lucky ppl are making key 3 pointers these last two games

[Shaolin-Style]

Is this a joke?

With Duncan on the floor against the Jazz we win by almost 20.

With him off we barely win. Huge difference.

[polandprzem]

Spurs better without Duncan?

duuuhhh

[urunobili]

NO WAY. Timmy is the man that makes the Spurs a Championship caliber team. without any of the big three it's easy to know we'd be good but not THIS good though.

[mikeanthony21]

Discuss.

Why?

[E20]

More free flowing offensive for our guards, but our D will be fucked up. Duncan is a master of double teams and improving other players and will start to dominate if other players aren't scoring.

TP and Manu could do that, but not in comparison to Tim.

Also, Duncan is G.O.A.T

[thispego]

:lmao

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

:lmao

My thoughts exactly. Pego pulled it off.

[703 Spurz]

Fixed.

:lol

[m33p0]

hell no.

this game more than any other showed how much this team needs TD. without him, we needed a big game from manu and oberto to steal the game. with him, its a 20 point win without even breaking a sweat.

:nope

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

We're the Suns without Tim

[thispego]

My thoughts exactly. Pego pulled it off.
i was thinking fail at first, but i knew it had potential

[Spurminator]

The numbers don't lie. Without Duncan, win percentage = 100%. With Duncan, win percentage = less than 100%. How is this even a debate? Don't you guys know math?

[spursfan09]

Tim is the center of the Spurs universe. All things revolve around him. Without Tim there is no light.

[bigfan]

you are an idiot.

[ShoogarBear]

The best thing is, when Tim comes back, he'd be fine about Manu and Tony keeping their production up and could give a shit about his own stats.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The best thing is, when Tim comes back, he'd be fine about Manu and Tony keeping their production up and could give a shit about his own stats.


exactly

[vander]

there might be a remote possibility of this being conceivably true if Duncan was your average star that had to star, the focus of the offense night in and night out. But Duncan has the uncanny ability to fade into a supporting role when need be. meaning that as long as he is able to play defense, or catch a pass and make a layup more consistently the Elson, this team will be better with him then without him.

the way Duncan plays, this team will be better with him until he is 44 :toast

[Amuseddaysleeper]

the biggest thing Duncan brings is defense.

Even if hets 0 points, his impact on the defensive is astronomical.


Utah had like 44 points in the paint tonight (or something crazy) and there is absolutely no way that would happen with TD anchoring the middle.

[phyzik]

http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/fail.gif

[nfg3]

Absolutely no way. I know you were just trying to get a dissusion going but any Spurs fan knows that it starts and ends with TD. We're a good team without him and would probably make the playoffs. Might even get out of the first round if we got some breaks but that's it.

[zaratustra007]

Spurs with no Tim couldnt get any ring. Ginobili sucks. Argentines are always talking about GINOBILI, OBERTO....they are less than my spanish ass

[debo]

theyve been playing good, but barely winning, lets not forget who really won us rings

[debo]

zaratustra007, why all the hate? Ginobili doesnt suck, and i would be willing to bet your ass is worthless after every time PHX bends you over in the playoffs

[zaratustra007]

hohoho Lakers will kill spurs
Maybe you should stay with your mom.....she could do your laundry and cook for you.

[EJFischer]

Even when Duncan is sleepwalking, he's twice as productive as the average player. Teams do not get better when they lose someone who would individually contribute as much as any two people you could find to replace him.

The only reason anyone could even consider thinking this is because we've seen the Spurs win with Duncan and lose with Duncan -- we know what both of those look like. We are much less used to seeing the Spurs win without Duncan, and we haven't lost without Duncan in recent memory. The surprise of these wins makes them seem more special. It's just rose colored glasses syndrome with regards to play without Duncan.

As fabulous as these last two wins have been, any win without Duncan has a much greater element of luck to it than a win with Duncan does. And someday, Manu and Tony are going to have an off night in the same game. When that happens, I hope we have Duncan back to save the day for us.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

Shoog, JB, Spurm, and of course Pego all rule.

The rest of you fail on so many levels.

[bdictjames]

You're an idiot.

Spurs could have had won that game by 20 if Duncan was there. Utah would not have shot 70% in the first and third quarters.

Nuff said.

[1Parker1]

Yes, they are certainly a better Free Throw shooting team without that loser...


:lol

[m33p0]

Tim is the center of the Spurs universe. All things revolve around him. Without Tim there is no light.


sounds like a bid for a Dikta thread for TD.

here's wishing for a big game by TD against the shine boys so we can have him on the Dikta thread
:toast

bring on the suns! :hungry: :hungry: :hungry:

[SAGambler]

This shouldn't even be discussed. The answer is NO.

Agree. This should not even be discussed.

Without Tim, we would have to run Manu into the ground before postseason to win games.

Tim gives us a hell of a lot better defense, even if he isn't scoring, which is usually not the case in the postseason.

No doubt we have to have Tim to win another Championship, no matter how well the rest of the team is taking up the slack right now. They can only play on adrenalin so long.

In a way, I'm glad we have been able to show that we can still be a force, without Tim in the lineup, but I'm ready for him to be back. We need to keep everyone fresh throughout the season. With Tim sitting, that just ain't gonna happen.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The annual ' are the spurs better withour duncan thread?'.


No

[J.T.]

Bait, hook, catch.

Buncha people got sucker punched by pego in this thread.

[royal2006]

with tim, we are champion. while without tim, we make playoff, but not that far.

[SAGambler]

Spurs with no Tim couldnt get any ring. Ginobili sucks. Argentines are always talking about GINOBILI, OBERTO....they are less than my spanish ass

I see we have another "I'm a great junior high dropout" joining the forum.

Who did you inherit your high IQ from?

[manubili]

No question about it.

What these duncan-less games proved is that the Spurs aren't duncan-dependant. And that's something pretty fucking scary for the rest of the league.

[nkdlunch]

This team goes nowhere in the playoffs w/out Duncan

[SouthernFried]

No.

What the hell is there to "discuss?"

Silly thread.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Spurs with no Tim couldnt get any ring. Ginobili sucks. Argentines are always talking about GINOBILI, OBERTO....they are less than my spanish ass

By your post counter I would say you are probably a bad attempt at a troll. In case you really are a person who intends to have a career in posting in this forum I would think you are not only a moron but that you started in the wrong foot. And that you shouldn't be surprised if people treat you like you are going forward - you earned it.

I hope you are not a spaniard as you say. #1 because I'm of spanish descent and I know people are not as brainless as you are over there. Secondly becauses it seems you don't know so much about anything, including how Argentines are. #3 because your rant on peoples nationality is seen as stupid sh.t in any place, especially in SA where there are a lot of people who originally came from Mexico. and #4 Manu, Oberto, Nocioni and CO are great players who happened to have won the Olympics medal, probably one of the hrdest things to accomplish (one shot every 4 years). Indeed very far and contradicting with your post.

Thanks for your time.

[thispego]

just checking to see if anyone has forgotton this guy..... :dramaquee
http://www.memoram.com/Tim_Duncan.jpg
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1029/nba_g_duncan_580.jpg
http://j-sports.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/themes/wp-andreas01-12/img/duncan.jpg
http://www.coachlikeapro.com/Images/game_pics/tim_duncan.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200705/r144291_502640.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41044000/jpg/_41044394_tim2.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/71n6jk0.jpg
:king

[freemeat]

just checking to see if anyone has forgotton this guy..... :dramaquee
http://www.memoram.com/Tim_Duncan.jpg
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1029/nba_g_duncan_580.jpg
http://j-sports.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/themes/wp-andreas01-12/img/duncan.jpg
http://www.coachlikeapro.com/Images/game_pics/tim_duncan.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200705/r144291_502640.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41044000/jpg/_41044394_tim2.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/71n6jk0.jpg
:king

Who is that?

[thispego]

Who is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan

[freemeat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan


Gee...I don't know how to pronounce that. I'm from the south, so I just speak American English.

[m33p0]

i was thinking fail at first, but i knew it had potential


if it was tony, could fail. if it was manu, little possibility it might fail. but this is duncan we're talking about. you know? the guy who gave us 4 rings and unequivocal bragging rights in all basketball forums ever created in the known universe.

[thispego]

Timothy "Tim" Theodore Duncan is how it's pronounced in American English

[Extra Stout]

Do the Spurs get better TV ratings without Duncan?

[thispego]

that was the original question. i should have clarified.

[Avitus1]

The Spurs can play without Duncan but they need him in order to make the game easier for everyone. All that the Spurs do is centered around Timmy.

[freemeat]

Timothy "Tim" Theodore Duncan is how it's pronounced in American English


Oh...cool name. What does he do? Who is he?

[thispego]

i'm done with you now

[freemeat]

i'm done with you now

Who is Devin Harris? I'm just trying to learn here! :hat

[thispego]

Devin harris is a scrub

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/a9/fullj.getty-76076145rw008_warriors_mavericks.jpg
Harris: "yeah i suck, so what?"

[freemeat]

Devin harris is a scrub


Really? Did Devin Harris really go up to that other guy and say, "yeah I suck" like that?

[thispego]

yeah, i'm the dude in the hat at the bottom of the pic. I heard everything.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lmao

[himat]

Yeah Duncan sucks. I say you trade him straight up for Nazr Mohammad. :rolleyes

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Yeah Duncan sucks. I say you trade him straight up for Nazr Mohammad. :rolleyes
Throw in a 1st rounder and Chauncey, Rip, McDyess and Rasheed.
and we've got a deal.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm waiting for the "San Antonio Spurs: Best 2 Game Stretch in Professional Sports History" thread.

[freemeat]

Throw in a 1st rounder and Chauncey, Rip, McDyess and Rasheed.
and we've got a deal.


Wow! Does this Tim Duncan guy really suck that bad?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'm waiting for the "San Antonio Spurs: Best 2 Game Stretch in Professional Sports History" thread.

Well, I was saving it for a win against the Warriors (and waiting for the S-Jax throw-in about how many consecutive championships the Spurs would eventually end up with had the Spurs ended up retaining him), but now you've just stolen my thunder.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Wow! Does this Tim Duncan guy really suck that bad?
I thought it was a pretty good deal.

[freemeat]

yeah, i'm the dude in the hat at the bottom of the pic. I heard everything.

I hope they weren't cursing! Were they!?!? HA HA! OMG~!

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, I was saving it for a win against the Warriors (and waiting for the S-Jax throw-in about how many consecutive championships the Spurs would eventually end up with had the Spurs ended up retaining him), but now you've just stolen my thunder.

Sorry, JB, but that's how I roll.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Sorry, JB, but that's how I roll.

I should sue you for infringement on my SpursTalk rights.

Can I hire you to sue yourself?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

[LaMarcus Bryant]

pego's IQ >>>> first 10 posters of this thread combined

[thispego]

just the first 10?

[daslicer]

ITs like a laker fan mentioned on LG when other fans complained that Phill Jackson is a terrible coach compared to Pop because Pop is winning with a less talented spurs team without Duncan while the lakers have more talent. The fan stated that the spurs are more talented then the lakers even without Duncan due to having 2 perenial all-star guards while the Lakers have no all-stars outside of Kobe and that the spurs without Duncan are more like the bulls without Jordan circa 93-94 that they are still a very good team capable of getting 50-55 wins but they are just not great.

[whottt]

Stupid thread



There are no stupid threads...only stupid posters who post in them....stupidly.

[freemeat]

There are no stupid threads...only stupid posters who post in them....stupidly.

I'm confused. Should I post?

[jochhejaam]

No way they're better without him, but those 2 wins over top contenders in the West, without Tim, doesn't bode well for the contenders.


Impressive!

[J.T.]

Anyone who replied to this thread seriously pretty much trolled themselves.

[BonnerDynasty]

You see what Utah did in the first 8 or so minutes last night? That would be the entire game against a good team/playoff atmosphere.

[Troll]

It should have been obvious.

[FromWayDowntown]

Tim is the center of the Spurs universe. All things revolve around him. Without Tim there is no light.

Wait -- does that make Tim a Sun?

:shudder

[thispego]

:lol

[dbreiden83080]

These two wins have been impressive.
But this team does not win a Championship without Duncan.

This team does not even sniff the finals without Duncan. Anyone who thinks they are beating Dallas or Phoenix or even Utah in a 7 game series without Duncan is drinking way too much Reg season Kool-Aid!! :drunk

[Jimcs50]

Yes, they squeeked by for 2 close wins at home without TD, when before that, they were averaging a 14 pt win differential at home with TD, so maybe you have a point. Riiiight

[Spurminator]

Look, clearly Duncan is important to this team. But he doesn't have to be on the floor to contribute. He's made a great cheerleader the last two games, and our record is better this year with him in THAT position than the PF position.

I think he should retire and take a symbolic "assistant coach" position so we can free up a roster spot for Mahinmi.

[sickdsm]

without duncan, this team can still fight for a playoff spot imo


W/out duncan you still should at least put up a fight in the second round.


Supporting cast is/has always been vastly underated.

[thispego]

http://i14.tinypic.com/6yyhw1g.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

This thread should be a barometer on which of you should be allowed to procreate. Its not looking good for most of you.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

This thread should be a barometer on which of you should be allowed to procreate. Its not looking good for most of you.

MannyIsWrong


no, no, wait, Manny is right.

[curtismedellin]

This thread should be a barometer on which of you should be allowed to procreate. Its not looking good for most of you.

no lie....

this is a stupid ass question and shouldn't have lasted more than one post

[mavsfan1000]

Is there any question? The spurs would have no chance in beating the mavs with Duncan.

[debo]

Is there any question? The spurs would have no chance in beating the mavs with Duncan.

sarcasm? or are you actually mentally challenged?

[mavsfan1000]

sarcasm? or are you actually mentally challenged?
I think it's pretty obvious that it was sarcasm. Just like the starter of this thread was sarcastic or looking for people to take him seriously.

[Extra Stout]

Is there any question? The spurs would have no chance in beating the mavs with Duncan.
See, but now Pop has figured out how to beat the Mavs -- sit Duncan.

[ricketts]

NO. NO. NO. the Spurs need Tim like a boat needs a rudder. they will win games without him thanks to Manu, Barry, Tony, Oberto and the rest of the team. but Tim fills a spot both physically and mentally.

[Dex]

I get jokes.

[Loose Cannon]

Yet again Miss (or Mrs?) Ellis, please, please, please put a thread rating system up in this bitch.

Or just rename this thread "one star".

Awful.

[freemeat]

Anyone who replied to this thread seriously pretty much trolled themselves.

It's like a twist in an M. Night Shyamalan movie. The trolls infiltrated by convincing us that we were just posters...when in fact we were all just trolls!?

Scary Larry!

[freemeat]

See, but now Pop has figured out how to beat the Mavs -- sit Duncan.

Yeah! Sit Duncan! Apparently he sucks ass butt!

Can we trade him for Kobe now? Or is he only worth Darius Miles?

[jay014]

Spurs better off without you?

[callo1]

Life better without oxygen? Discuss

What a waste of a thread

[ElNono]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/capek/bunny_with_pancake_banner.jpg

[LaMarcus Bryant]

pimpo\/\/Nzd

[meta2007]

In the long run, we need Duncan.

[meta2007]

Duncan just extends his contract. I don't think his market value is still very high! Actually I think Parker's market value is very very high, and maybe he wouldn't renew his contract anymore when his current contract is over. So, it is necessary to trade him before that time.


I disagree.

I think the Spurs need to trade Duncan now while his market value is still high.

[Harry Callahan]

What is the point of this other than to waste bandwidth?

[bdictjames]

We could package Parker and Duncan together and get somebody young
I heard Luke Jackson is a free agent.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He signed with Miami anyways.

[ClingingMars]

:lmao

best thread ever.

pego wins

-Mars

[Harry Callahan]

Off subject, but I noticed no posts to the Scola thread in 14 hours. It must be a record. I didn't want to post there however - let's see how long it takes when subject has a 1/3 from the field with two points and five fouls on a team one game over .500 and lacking direction with two All-Star players who have played the vast majority of the time this year. Trusting Steve Francis and Bonzi Wells to play consistently well (31 and 22 minutes respectively) is a recipe for disaster. There is a serious point guard void with that team.

[rob5]

Spurs with no Tim couldnt get any ring. Ginobili sucks. Argentines are always talking about GINOBILI, OBERTO....they are less than my spanish ass
Ginobili sucks?? U need serious help. Get off the board and Google "mental illness"

[telecomguy]

Even when Duncan is sleepwalking, he's twice as productive as the average player. Teams do not get better when they lose someone who would individually contribute as much as any two people you could find to replace him.

The only reason anyone could even consider thinking this is because we've seen the Spurs win with Duncan and lose with Duncan -- we know what both of those look like. We are much less used to seeing the Spurs win without Duncan, and we haven't lost without Duncan in recent memory. The surprise of these wins makes them seem more special. It's just rose colored glasses syndrome with regards to play without Duncan.

As fabulous as these last two wins have been, any win without Duncan has a much greater element of luck to it than a win with Duncan does. And someday, Manu and Tony are going to have an off night in the same game. When that happens, I hope we have Duncan back to save the day for us.

Also what I saw from these two games was the Spurs stepping up big time. I mean they really all elevated their intensity, effort and energy level to the maximum degree for a REGULAR SEASON game. I don't see that happening consistently over an entire regular season without TD because it's too difficult to play at that high/intense level and for that reason, SPurs would have to put out maximum, lights-out effort every night to win consistently and win playoff series. Duncan allows the rest of the Spurs to play off of him, allowing them to sometimes coast or play at 80% level and still win, thereby conserving their energy and allow them to close out the series in 5th, 6th and if necessary, 7th games of playoff series.

Spurs simply can't play at this level of intensity consistently without Duncan and the only reason why the Spurs pulled it off (and don't forget they were behind both the Mavs and the Jazz fair amount in the first quater) was because they didnt want to get EMBARRASSED by the Mavs and the Jazz and then of course Manu really took over once it got close enough and he could smell the blood, knowing what a competitor he is.

You NEED a paint player on both ends because otherwise it just makes it so difficult for the rest of the Spurs to consistently hit perimeter jumpers or dribble penetrate or stop the opposing Bigs or Guards from penetrating. Without Duncan, we would have no chance against the Suns for example, for the obvious reasons.

[telecomguy]

Devin harris is a scrub


Shit, i really like Matt Barnes. Too bad he didn't come over to the Spurs this year. He has an attitude and can shoot the 3's. Also very good, long defender who is quick enough and aggressive enough to bother Dirk a lot last year. I thought he was one of the keys last year for the Warriors along with Baron and Jackson obviously.

[bdictjames]

I think we can do a Little bit better than that.
and Daequan Cook? Miami would get the loser end of the deal and would surely suck. Wade, Tony, Tim, and Shaq on the floor wtf? :lol

[mathbzh]

This team has been impressive without Duncan thanks to Manu playing out of his mind and Parker being solid. If Manu cool down just a little we will be in trouble. This team needs Duncan.

[freemeat]

I just took a shit.

[thispego]

So it's settled.

Spurs better with Duncan.

[thispego]

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[TheAuthority]

Whoever created this should be banned from not only the forum, but breathing as well.

[thispego]

How Come?

[thispego]

because he has 999000 more vbookie than you?

[TheAuthority]

because he has 999000 more vbookie than you?

Congratulations, you have no life.

[thispego]

jealousy is a stinky cologne

[ancestron]

Trade Duncan for Malik Rose