What did Manu say?

[BigBigSpur]

Manu surfed the Internet and replied to the thread on his personal website the day before yesterday. Can somebody translate it?

http://manuginobili.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=331693&highlight=#331693

That's what he said:

Tomo esto como el ANEXO de las "preguntas al 20". De hecho no se por que no las agregaste si querias saber...


1.- Cuando se dice que Pop y Manu están de acuerdo ¿se sugiere que ambos están en igualdad de condiciones para decidir? ¿Será que Manu y PoP "discutieron el tema"?(yo lo que leí es que "Manu acepta la decisión" , lo que no es lo mismo que "estar de acuerdo", creo yo).

Si, estabamos juntos hablando del tema y si yo no hubiera aceptado, hubiera sido titular. Le dije que hiciera lo que creyera que era mejor para el equipo.

2.-¿ Será que la ambición de Manu es terminar su carrera en la NBA como suplente ? ¿En serio?

Pensas que realmente influye despues de ganar 3 anillos, un J.O y las otras cosas que me pasaron, si termino jugando de titular o de suplente?? Cual es la ventaja de ser titular?? estar en la presentacion y que te nombren con lucecitas y un anunciante gritando tu nombre?

3.- Porque también leí que prefiere ser titular... eso no es estar de acuerdo. And...¿qué es lo que tiene que hacer para cumplir ese deseo?¿Jugar bien o jugar como Finley?

No recuerdo haberlo dicho, pero no tengo problemas en ser titular... creo que en un equipo hay que resignar a veces cosas para el bien comun. A todos le pasa, como alguien lo dijo arriba. Pensas que a Barry le gusta jugar 9'? a Tim tirar menos que Tony y que yo? etc?

4.- ¿No será humano y habrá pensado alguna vez en el hall de la Fama? ¿Hay algún otro 6o. hombre por allí?

No tiene nada, absolutamente NADA que ver el hall of fame con ser titular o suplente... repito: Cual es la diferencia?? si juego 30'/32' de todas maneras. Te gustaba mas cuando entraba de titular y despues de 6' a veces sin tocarla me sentaba de nuevo? Todo para mantener a 2 de nosotros 3 en cancha el mayor tiempo posible?

5.- Si Pop ama el modelo SAS donde todos se sacrifican por el bien común ¿no está siendo injusto con Tim y Tony privándolos de ese inapreciable aprendizaje de ascetismo guevariano? ( a cortar caña vamos todos pero todos ¿eh? )

Esto no le veo sentido. No quiere ser que TODOS tengan que ser suplentes para que el equipo sea mejor. Creo que soy el que mas me adapto a ese rol por mis caracteristicas. De esta manera somos mas peligrosos y estamos mas frescos por mayor cantidad de tiempo.

Perdón si son muchas dudas...Con algunas respuestas me arreglo...
La cuaracha-

Fueron mis respuestas a TODAS tus preguntas. Ojo! Van sin ser agresivo, eh! explico mi punto de vista, el del equipo para que les quede claro a los que siguen sacando el tema. Lo pueden seguir haciendo como seguramente lo haran (idem tema Tony), pero ya saben mi opinion.

Manu

pd: Si alguien sabe de algun beneficio extra de ser titular, en serio que me avise! por ahi me estoy perdiendo algo y hablo al dope! Por ahi me lo estoy perdiendo sin darme cuenta!

[travis2]

Quick machine translation...this one is really spotty. But it seems as though Manu is taking some of the "Church of Manu" to task...asking them "what's the big deal about being a starter?"

[travis2]

I take this as the ANNEX of the "questions to the 20". In fact not itself because did not you add them if querias to know...

1.- When it is said that Pop and Manu agree ¿is suggested that both are on equal terms to decide? It will be that Manu and Pop "they discussed the theme"? (I what read is that "Manu accepts the decision", what is not the same thing that "to agree", I believe I).

If, we were together speaking of the theme and if I not to have accepted, to have been a holder. I told him that did what to believe that was better for the team.

2. -¿ Will Be that the ambition of Manu is to finish its career in the NBA as the substitute? In serious?

You think that really influences despues to win 3 rings, a J.OR and the other things that passed me, if I finish playing of holder or of substitute?? Which is the advantage to be holder?? to be in the presentacion and that name you with fairy-lights and an advertiser shouting your name?

3.- Because also I read that prefers to be a holder... that is not to agree. And. ..¿qué is what has to do to comply that desire? ¿to Play well or to play as Finley?

I do not remember to have said, but do not I have problems in being a holder... I believe that in a team one must resign at times things for common good. To all passes him, like someone told him up. You think that to Barry he likes to play 9'? to Tim to throw less than Tony and that I? etc?

4.- ¿Not human Being and there will be thought some time in the foyer of the Fame? There is some another 6o. man by there?

Does not it have anything, absolutely NOTHING that to see the foyer of fame with being a holder or acting... I repeat: Which is the difference?? if I play 30'/32' of all ways. You liked but when entered of holder and despues of 6' at times without touching it sat down me again? All to maintain to 2 of us 3 in court the major possible time?

5.- If Pop it loves the model BE where all they are sacrificed for common good ¿is not being unjust with Tim and Tony depriving them of that imperceptible learning of asceticism guevariano? (To cut cane we go all but all ¿eh?)

This do not I see him sense. Does not want to be that ALL they have that to be substitutes so that the team be better. I believe that I am the one that but I adapt to that role by my caracteristicas. In this manner we are but dangerous and we are but fresh wholesale quantity of time.

Pardon if are many doubts. ..Con some answers I arrange me... The cuaracha-

They were my answers to ALL your questions. Eye! They go without being aggressive, eh! I explain my point of view, that of the team so that remain clearly to the ones that they continue removing the theme. They can continue it doing as surely it haran (idem fear Tony), but already they know my opinion.

Manu

Pd: If someone knows about algun benefit extra to be a holder, in serious that he notify me! by ahi I am losing me something and I speak upon drugging! By ahi I am losing him me without giving me account!

[TwoHandJam]

:lol

The "Foyer of Fame".

[ArgSpursFan.]

Manu got really pissed off with one of the posters asking him about being a sub,and how that would impact in his HOF induction.
He responsed:It has absolutely nothing to do the HOF with Being a Sub or a starter,coze at the end of the day I end up playing 30/32 mpg anyways.
Did you like it when I used to start the games and them go to the bench after 6 mins in the game and most of the times without touching the ball??

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I think Manu said Tony was better than he was.

[diego]

poor manu has to explain over and over again that he doesnt care about being a starter. hell, thats probably the best reason for him to start, so he doesnt have to answer this stupid question

[chasky]

I take this as the ANNEX of the "questions to the 20". In fact not itself because did not you add them if want to know...

1.- When it is said that Pop and Manu agree ¿is suggested that both are on equal terms to decide? It will be that Manu and Pop "they discussed the theme"? (I what read is that "Manu accepts the decision", what is not the same thing that "to agree", I believe I).

If, we were together speaking of the theme and if I not to have accepted, to have been a starter. I told him that did what to believe that was better for the team.

2. -¿ Will Be that the ambition of Manu is to finish its career in the NBA as the substitute? In serious?

You think that really matters after win 3 rings, a J.OR and the other things that passed me, if I finish playing of starter or of substitute?? Which is the advantage to be starter?? to be in the presentacion and that name you with fairy-lights and an advertiser shouting your name?

3.- Because also I read that prefers to be a starter... that is not to agree. And. ..¿qué is what has to do to comply that desire? ¿to Play well or to play as Finley?

I do not remember to have said, but do not I have problems in being a starter.. I believe that in a team one must resign at times things for common good. To all passes him, like someone told him up. You think that to Barry he likes to play 9'? to Tim to shot less than Tony and that I? etc?

4.- ¿Not human Being and there will be thought some time in the hall of the Fame? There is some another 6o. man by there?

Does not it have anything, absolutely NOTHING that to see the hall of fame with being a starter or sub... I repeat: Which is the difference?? if I play 30'/32' of all ways. You liked but when entered of starter and after of 6' sometimes without touch the ball it sit down me again? All to maintain 2 of us 3 in court the major possible time?

5.- If Pop it loves the model SAS where all they are sacrificed for common good ¿is not being unjust with Tim and Tony depriving them of that imperceptible learning of asceticism guevariano? (To cut cane we go all but all ¿eh?)

This do not I see him sense. Does not want to be that ALL they have that to be substitutes so that the team be better. I believe that I am the one that but I adapt to that role by my Features. In this way we are but dangerous and we are but fresh wholesale quantity of time.

Sorry if are many doubts. ..Con some answers I arrange me... The cuaracha-

They were my answers to ALL your questions. Eye! They go without being aggressive, eh! I explain my point of view, that of the team so that remain clearly to the ones that they continue removing the theme. They can continue it doing as surely do it (idem Tony Topic), but already they know my opinion.

Manu

Pd: If someone knows about algun benefit extra to be a starter, in serious that he notify me! by ahi I am losing me something and I speak upon drugging! By ahi I am losing him me without giving me account!

Some corrections

[carina_gino20]

not to nitpick, but can anyone please provide a more understandable translation? :) thanks

[beck253]

I'll translate the 1), I think Manu's answer it's the most revealing:

-When it's said that Pop and Manu agreed (on playing Manu of the bench), it is being suggested that both had an equal say on this matter? Did Manu and Pop really discussed the subject, or Manu just accepted the decision?

MANU:
Yes, we were talking about this, and If I hadn't been on board, I would have gone back to starting. I told him he should make the call he considered was best for the team.

What's interesting for me, it's that this time Pop really run the subject thru Manu...
A couple of years ago, he would have just EXPLAINED the decision to him...

I used to complain Pop didn't give enough respect to Manu, considering the personal sacrifices he does all the time for the team, but as years passed by, Pop evidentely has also perceived all these things and somehow it's saying to Manu: You have done so much, you have earned a say in this...

I like it, in may ways I think Pop has grow a lot as a coach in the last two years... I remember he used to mess a game with wrong substitutions every other week, he is not doing that anymore...

[ploto]

Manu gets more opportunity to contribute when he plays without Tony and Tim any way- we all know that.

[smeagol]

Manu is complaining about his bald spot.

[WalterBenitez]

Summarizing ... Manu is really upset about answering the same question asked in different ways ...

Do you (Manu) care about being sub and not starting? ...
He answered in many ways ... don't care if that benefit the team ... If he has to chose, he would like to be starter, but ... he hasn't see any advantage or difference.

A smart Manu's answer is ...Do you think TD is happy shooting less than TP and me... :p: he understand what team means.

This set of questions also proves Manu has patience.

[WalterBenitez]

Manu is complaining about his bald spot.


Being on the bench allows him to extend the treatment period! :wakeup

I heard he would demand that starters must shave their head, only to keep Manu's confidence high :fro

[m33p0]

i think i fried a few brain cells reading the raw translation.

i remember watching an interview about Manu's move to the bench. Pop's version was that he explained things to Manu and how it would benefit the team. Manu's version was that there was alot of shouting by Pop and Manu just said, "Okay". but we all know by now about the team's propensity to joke alot. those HEB commercials are a testament to that. speaking of which, does tony have one?

[m33p0]

A smart Manu's answer is ...Do you think TD is happy shooting less than TP and me... :p: he understand what team means.


*nodding* and for that, i love tim duncan.

[MmP]

It's awesome to have the chance to speak with Manu in his forum, when he posts from time to time I really feel that it's unique to be able to have contact with a top sportsman.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

He said that Ditka could have stopped him last week.

[Cherry]

I'll translate the 1), I think Manu's answer it's the most revealing:

-When it's said that Pop and Manu agreed (on playing Manu of the bench), it is being suggested that both had an equal say on this matter? Did Manu and Pop really discussed the subject, or Manu just accepted the decision?

MANU:
Yes, we were talking about this, and If I hadn't been on board, I would have gone back to starting. I told him he should make the call he considered was best for the team.



To me, this answer deserves an MVP award.

[AnotherArgie]

I'll take it a shot and try to translate. Please be gentle, it's my first translation in this board:


1.- When is it said that Pop and Manu agree: does it mean both of them are in equal conditions? Or it means that Manu and Pop "discussed the subject"? (what I've read is that "Manu accepts the decision", which is not the same as "agree", I think)

Yes, we both were talking the subject and if I hadn't accepted, I would have been starter. I told him to do whatever he thought was best for the team.

2.- Is it Manu's ambition to finish his NBA career as a sub? Really?

Do you really think that after winning 3 rings, an olympic medal and other things that happened to me, does it really matter if I'm a starter or a sub?? Which is the advantage of being a starter?? Being in the game introduction and be presented with small lights and an announcer yelling your name?

3.- Because I've read that he prefers to be a starter... that's not agreeing. And... what does he has to do to accomplish that wish? Play well or play like Finley?

I don't recall I said it, but I don't have any problems with being a sub... I think that in a team you have to give up some things for the common good. It happens to everyone, like somebody said before (in another post). Do you think Barry likes to play 9'? Or Tim likes shooting less than Tony and I? etc?

4.- Maybe he's (Manu) not human and didn't thing about the hall of Fame? Is there another 6th man over there?

The hall of fame has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with being a starter or a sub... i repeat: what's the difference?? If I play 30'/32' anyway. Did you like it more when I was a starter and after 6' without touching the ball I sat again? Everything to keep 2 of 3 of us in the court as long as possible?

5.- If Pop loves the SAS model where everyone sacrifices for the common good: isn't he just being unfair with Tim and Tony, depriving them of that guevarian asceticism? (we can go all and cut some sugarcane. I mean all of us, eh?)

I don't get it. It doesn't mean that EVERYONE needs to be a sub to make the team better. I think I adapt to that role quite well, because of my characteristics. This way we're more dangerous and fresher for more time.


This are my answers to ALL of your questions. Hey! I didn't mean to be aggresive, eh! I just explain my point of view, and the team's POV so everyone gets it clear. You can still keep doing what you do (like with the Tony subject), but at least you all know my opinion.

Manu

PS: If everyone knows about one benefit of being a starter, please tell me! Mayme I'm missing something and I'm on drugs (** something like that, argentinian modism**). Maybe I'm losing it without even know!

[MoSpur]

I have no idea why some fans are upset with Manu not starting. The team has done great and is doing great with him coming off the bench. He is having his best season so far and I love it.

[Cherry]

I'll take it a shot and try to translate. Please be gentle, it's my first translation in this board:


1.- When is it said that Pop and Manu agree: does it mean both of them are in equal conditions? Or it means that Manu and Pop "discussed the subject"? (what I've read is that "Manu accepts the decision", which is not the same as "agree", I think)

Yes, we both were talking the subject and if I hadn't accepted, I would have been starter. I told him to do whatever he thought was best for the team.

2.- Is it Manu's ambition to finish his NBA career as a sub? Really?

Do you really think that after winning 3 rings, an olympic medal and other things that happened to me, does it really matter if I'm a starter or a sub?? Which is the advantage of being a starter?? Being in the game introduction and be presented with small lights and an announcer yelling your name?

3.- Because I've read that he prefers to be a starter... that's not agreeing. And... what does he has to do to accomplish that wish? Play well or play like Finley?

I don't recall I said it, but I don't have any problems with being a sub... I think that in a team you have to give up some things for the common good. It happens to everyone, like somebody said before (in another post). Do you think Barry likes to play 9'? Or Tim likes shooting less than Tony and I? etc?

4.- Maybe he's (Manu) not human and didn't thing about the hall of Fame? Is there another 6th man over there?

The hall of fame has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with being a starter or a sub... i repeat: what's the difference?? If I play 30'/32' anyway. Did you like it more when I was a starter and after 6' without touching the ball I sat again? Everything to keep 2 of 3 of us in the court as long as possible?

5.- If Pop loves the SAS model where everyone sacrifices for the common good: isn't he just being unfair with Tim and Tony, depriving them of that guevarian asceticism? (we can go all and cut some sugarcane. I mean all of us, eh?)

I don't get it. It doesn't mean that EVERYONE needs to be a sub to make the team better. I think I adapt to that role quite well, because of my characteristics. This way we're more dangerous and fresher for more time.


This are my answers to ALL of your questions. Hey! I didn't mean to be aggresive, eh! I just explain my point of view, and the team's POV so everyone gets it clear. You can still keep doing what you do (like with the Tony subject), but at least you all know my opinion.

Manu

PS: If everyone knows about one benefit of being a starter, please tell me! Mayme I'm missing something and I'm on drugs (** something like that, argentinian modism**). Maybe I'm losing it without even know!


:lol :toast :clap

[ArgSpursFan.]

I have no idea why some fans are upset with Manu not starting. The team has done great and is doing great with him coming off the bench. He is having his best season so far and I love it.

I really don't think that actually Manu plays better of the bench,but it is true that bringing Finley back to stater have helped his confidence.
Bottonline is :the spurs play better when manu is on the floor,eather as a starter or sub,after all on one of the best spurs games so far this season Manu was a starter.(vs Dallas).

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Wow, I don't like the particular questions they were posting on the forum to Manu. They need to get off Manu's back, he's only human. :lol

They should be ashamed of themselves, it's like they're guilting Manu for being a team player. :lol

If it were me, I'd get impatient with them (fans). Luckily Manu seems like a cooler dude than most people.


This are my answers to ALL of your questions. Hey! I didn't mean to be aggresive, eh! I just explain my point of view, and the team's POV so everyone gets it clear. You can still keep doing what you do (like with the Tony subject), but at least you all know my opinion.

Heh, good thing he sticks up for his teammates, as opposed to caring about the "glory" of the individual game.

[roycrikside]

I know he was defending Tony at the end, but the part where he said "did you like it when I was starting and not touching the ball for the first six minutes?" could be interpreted as a sneaky little jab at Tony.

It's true, Manu gets to shoot/handle the ball a lot more coming off the bench than he ever did as a starter. And now, once Tony and Tim (and Pop) see that he's got a good rhythm going without them, they look for him more when they do play together. The first 30 games last year he was clearly the third option going into the games.

[~Sweetmelody~]

Who the hell asks those questions! Geez! I mean if you are a true fan, support the guy don't make him feel bad for being a team player. :bang


2.-¿ Será que la ambición de Manu es terminar su carrera en la NBA como suplente ? ¿En serio?


:ihit


You think that really influences despues to win 3 rings, a J.OR and the other things that passed me, if I finish playing of holder or of substitute?? Which is the advantage to be holder?? to be in the presentacion and that name you with fairy-lights and an advertiser shouting your name?

Nice!


I swear, I think Manu has to take photos of him and tony hanging out, so that people will stop with the madness!

[manubili]

Props to the guy asking some questions that the journalists, at least the argentines, don't ask. He give us all the chance to know some claryfing concepts right from the very source.

[xamila rey]

he talked about it in his forum before,
but some people still dont get it.
either they are new to the forum or just didnt read his comments before.
This topic is soooooooooo old, that i think even Manu has no more patience about it.
Anyway, i am amazed that Manu takes the time to answer us questions.
We get to hear from hear once a week, which i think is huge for all his fans.

[timvp]

It looks like Manu is getting tired of the Church of Manu . . .

[ArgSpursFan.]

I wonder how the church of Parker would react if this ever happens to Tony.

[greens]

I know he was defending Tony at the end, but the part where he said "did you like it when I was starting and not touching the ball for the first six minutes?" could be interpreted as a sneaky little jab at Tony.

It's true, Manu gets to shoot/handle the ball a lot more coming off the bench than he ever did as a starter. And now, once Tony and Tim (and Pop) see that he's got a good rhythm going without them, they look for him more when they do play together. The first 30 games last year he was clearly the third option going into the games.



I speak Spanish pretty fluently(it's not my native language, it's my third language actually)...But I think what Manu meant with this comment was when he did used to start, he didn't touch the ball often too much because the entire BIG THREE was playing at the same time, like Tim/Manu/Tony were ALL sharing the ball...and so less opportunity for touches...I don't think it was any jab at all at Tony...just common sense that when you have the three best players out on the floor, playing at the same time, each one would get less touches than say if one of them was on the floor or even if two out of three were on the floor at the same time.


Reading this interview, Manu doesn't seem to get why the fans really care about who starts or not...His main point is that he still gets his good minutes. And he makes it clear that everything is about a TEAM, not individuals or selfishness. He makes a point to mention that everyone on the team has something to sacrifice but they do it for a common goal. He mentions Tim...the fact that Manu and Tony sometimes get more touches...and Tim doesn't mind...

And I honestly don't think he's happy with some fans constantly bashing Tony...hence his small comment at the end, that they can keep doing whatever they want, but at least his opinion is known...I don't think he can truly say what he wants to say...like "stop bashing Tony"...LOL. So he says in a way that is not too disrespectful to his fans...yet, it sounds like it gets to him a bit...

[spursfan09]

It seems the only people who care that Manu doesn't start are people who are more Manu fans than Spur fans. I don't understand that all, for me its the team before the player.

[greens]

And another thing, Manu makes it clear that he doesn't care about the player introductions/etc...that he doesn't see what he's missing being a sub...And the last lines are quite funny...He's basically "if someone knows something more/extra beneficial about being a starter, please let me know, cuz I'm missing something...maybe I'm loosing it without really knowing it"

LOL!

I seriously love this interview...it's so funny at times!

[angel_luv]

he talked about it in his forum before,
but some people still dont get it.
either they are new to the forum or just didnt read his comments before.
This topic is soooooooooo old, that i think even Manu has no more patience about it.
Anyway, i am amazed that Manu takes the time to answer us questions.
We get to hear from hear once a week, which i think is huge for all his fans.


I wish I knew Spanish.

I miss having Gino in the English forum.

I think it is great how he keeps in touch with you guys. :)

[SenorSpur]

I wish people would get away from asking Manu these silly, dumb-ass, questions that forces him to have to reiterate what it is to be a "team player" and how the culture of this team really works. If they cannot understand that team success overrides personal attributes, they should follow some other team like the Fakers, Suns or Nets -where it's every man for himself.

Oh and by the way, these same people might want to recall how Tim Duncan left around $11m on the table when he signed his latest extension. That's called selfless. We all know he's not the first Spur to do that, just the most recent. It's what this team and its culture are all about.

[vander]

I thought this was common knowledge, but in case not. the reason Manu comes off the bench is to maximize the amount of time that either he or TP is on the court. they create the offense for this team, they beat defenders off the dribble, get to the basket, and finish, they set up teammates, and wreck havoc on the defense. and we don't have anyone else who can do those things, the rest are shooters, defenders, role players (and Duncan of course). So while it's great to have them both on the floor at once, we need to have one of them on the court at all times, and therefore manu subs in around when TP goes out, and our offense doesn't miss a beat :clap

[greens]

I wish people would get away from asking Manu these silly, dumb-ass, questions that forces him to have to reiterate what it is to be a "team player" and how the culture of this team really works. If they cannot understand that team success overrides personal attributes, they should follow some other team like the Fakers, Suns or Nets -where it's every man for himself.

Oh and by the way, these same people might want to recall how Tim Duncan left around $11m on the table when he signed his latest extension. That's called selfless. We all know he's not the first Spur to do that, just the most recent. It's what this team and its culture are all about.



Bruce took pay cuts, Manu took pay cuts, etc...the list goes on.

This is a rare team that's unselfish...I don't think people are used to that.

And those questions are silly...reading them, I'm like "what?" Why would you keep putting Manu down...the whole, "is this how you want to play, like a sub, etc...what about Hall of Fame, etc, how come Tony/Tim sacrifice less, etc..."


and yup, vand3537, the offense works so nicely when you have at least one of them on the floor...creating shots, being in charge. Dallas copied that also, with putting Terry, as the sixth man...

[bigbendbruisebrother]

:lol

The "Foyer of Fame".

Oh man, there should be a Foyer of Fame. I nominate Willy Anderson as first inductee. The dude shot his wad just before the Spurs hit it big.

[nkdlunch]

some argentine fans are dumb mofos.

I'm glad Manu gets pissed at them. they know futbol but need to shut the fuck up about basketball cause they don't know shit!

[MmP]

I can assure you that most of the posters in that forum has great basketball knowledge. It's a sad comment of yourself.

[anakha]

I can assure you that most of the posters in that forum has great basketball knowledge. It's a sad comment of yourself.

I certainly hope none of those knowledgeable posters asked these questions.

[MmP]

Well, it's a legimit discussion. I mean, he's our guy. We want the best for him it's understandable to ask for him to start.
For me the first time that Manu was benched (around 2004) it was hard to accept it but with Manu's last year and this start of season I have no complains, plus I've come to conclusion that Pop and Spurs organization wants the best for Manu and the team, so there's no complot against Manu.

But time to time there are another posters that usually thinks the way the whole NBA thinks, that starting it's a crucial fact, but in case of Manu it's not at all. He has proven himself in the NBA, and he's getting the recognition in the league for making this sacrifice. But again, he's our pride, so it's understandable.

[roycrikside]

For the team Manu starting games on the bench is absolutely the right move. It'd be silly at this point to dispute that. I just think some fans feel bad about it because it implies he's not respected enough to be a starter. To Argentine fans, Manu is their Jordan, and they didn't see too many Chicago games where Jordan was a bench guy.

I think deep down most Manu fans will admit the move makes sense for the Spurs team, but at the same time, they could easily raise the question, "If it's all about team sacrifice, why not ask Tony to be the 6th man then?

I'm not Argentine, but I can certainly understand some of the bitterness they might feel toward Tony. Manu's older, he's accomplished more in his career, and certainly had more to do with the '05 championship than Parker -Manu was clearly the 2nd banana on that team- and somewhere next season it seemed like Tony surpassed him on the team's totem pole as the "2nd guy" and that's been the case ever since. Manu has always had to make sacrifices to his game to suit Tony's needs/development instead of the other way around.

I think Argentine fans are frustrated because it seems like the Spurs organization tries to "hide" Manu or use him only in the savior role when the game is tight or they're behind in the 4th quarter. Maybe that's not the case as much this year, but it certainly was the last two. Whereas Duncan and Parker are always being showcased and promoted as the team's stars, Ginobili is the "x-factor" guy, like some glorified Robert Horry. They see Manu as a superstar talent being given role player responsibilities and probably wish he could have more of a front line role in the team like he does with the national team where he's THE GUY.

Games like the last two, where Manu had 37 back-to-back against two contending clubs without Tim Duncan and the Spurs won both games, well I doubt it'll make Manu fans feel any better about the situation, especially if the other two guys make the All-Star team and he doesn't. Winning is the most important thing, but you still want to be respected and appreciated. I think Argentine fans feel that Pop doesn't exactly go out of his way to promote Manu to the rest of the NBA (this might actually be good for Manu, he sneaks up on people) and it costs him individual recognition, and indirectly, the whole country of Argentina loses recognition. Like it or not, having one of your guys recognized as a superstar is a big deal in some of these other countries.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

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Like it or not, having one of your guys recognized as a superstar is a big deal in some of these other countries.
That's a good assessment. I can see being a little sympathetic to their sentiments, when its one of your countrymen succeeding on a team, world champs in the NBA.

[WalterBenitez]

I have no idea why some fans are upset with Manu not starting. The team has done great and is doing great with him coming off the bench. He is having his best season so far and I love it.

Reason #1: Because we are fans and love to complain :oops
Reason #2: Because some of us are argentinians :rolleyes

[vander]

Reason #1: Because we are fans and love to complain :oops
Reason #2: Because some of us are argentinians :rolleyes

fans of a player who pretend to be fans of his team piss me off :cuss

[chasky]

Hi guy i'm Argentine and obviusly a manu fan, this is a country of soccer and be a starter in soccer it's everything, may be this is the reason for the discusion. But every basketball fan in every place of the world know, that in the basket is more important finish the games than start this. for the spurs manu is the key player in the finals of close games.

nkdlunch in the manu's forum some people know's a lot of the game, like in this forums.

[romain.star]

fans of a player who pretend to be fans of his team piss me off :cuss

same here :ihit

[AnotherArgie]

fans of a player who pretend to be fans of his team piss me off :cuss

Well, that is a manu thread is a manu forum, so I guess there isn't any pretension about being a Spurs fan over there.

[chasky]

Well, that is a manu thread is a manu forum, so I guess there isn't any pretension about being a Spurs fan over there.

Obviosly that we like the spurs and hope to win every single game, but for example: if manu is traded to the Lakers, we throw to the garbage all spurs t-shirts and buy new purpple and yellow with the 20!!!

[WalterBenitez]

fans of a player who pretend to be fans of his team piss me off :cuss

and... :dramaquee

[WalterBenitez]

Obviosly that we like the spurs and hope to win every single game, but for example: if manu is traded to the Lakers, we throw to the garbage all spurs t-shirts and buy new purpple and yellow with the 20!!!


okey, okey, okey ... if Manu were to LA I could live and I would follow ... but there one team where Manu won't be followed ... Mavs! :p: