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2centsworth
12-11-2007, 02:37 PM
#2 pick would be sick, but there's no way Miami lets that happen. Still NE at #2 :bang .

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=749667

Demo Dick Marcinko
12-11-2007, 02:56 PM
They have only 41 players signed with only 10.93 million dollars in cap space. Now here is the reall kicker, they will have to sign a top 5 draft pick. Calvin Johnson counted 2.8 mil against the Lions cap this year, so New England will start out with 8.1 mil to get 12 players resigned, including Randy Moss.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/12/09/week14/4.html

Duff McCartney
12-11-2007, 03:14 PM
That's fucking garbage...they should take away both of New Englands first round picks for that cheating bullshit.

Duff McCartney
12-11-2007, 03:19 PM
They have only 41 players signed with only 10.93 million dollars in cap space. Now here is the reall kicker, they will have to sign a top 5 draft pick. Calvin Johnson counted 2.8 mil against the Lions cap this year, so New England will start out with 8.1 mil to get 12 players resigned, including Randy Moss.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/12/09/week14/4.html

I'm sure they'll end up letting dudes walk...or they'll sign for the minimum if they win the SB.

I think the Cowboys are in pretty decent shape...20 million is not bad...considering how much youth they have on that team. But I don't really know who they even have signed on.

They would need to sign some better DB help..but having Desean Jackson would be amazing.

bostonguy
12-11-2007, 03:31 PM
I dont expect the Fins to draft a running back especially when they have shit for a qb. That will mean the Pats will draft McFadden! Man that will be SICK. Keeping this core intact and adding McFadden will make this team sicker than this year. Maroney can be traded or accept a backup role.

samikeyp
12-11-2007, 03:47 PM
They would need to sign some better DB help..but having Desean Jackson would be amazing.

I would be very happy with that.

Demo Dick Marcinko
12-11-2007, 03:55 PM
I'm sure they'll end up letting dudes walk...or they'll sign for the minimum if they win the SB.

I think the Cowboys are in pretty decent shape...20 million is not bad...considering how much youth they have on that team. But I don't really know who they even have signed on.

They would need to sign some better DB help..but having Desean Jackson would be amazing.

Even though the Pats have done an amazing job with the cap, this is a case where I'm always pulling against the San Fran so that they'll get a very high pick making it difficult for them to trade it forcing their hand to pick and choose. Either they sign Randy Moss who is an UFA, or they sign their top 5 pick. They have an aging defense and they have several key UFA including LB Teddy Brushchi , stud DB who I'd love Dallas to sign Asante Samuels, DB Randall Gay who is a nickel but they place a premium on him, and DB's Tory James and Chad Scott. Their going to have to pick their poison and let some premium players walk.

I expect the Pats will trade the pick their top 5 pick which may include DMac, and the uproar will be heard around the league, that 'they didn't get good value for the pick', just as the pundits said last year when they traded the #28 pick for a 2007 4th rd pick (Moss), and the niners 2008 pick.

The real decision revolves around Moss, will he take less to stay with the Pats? If so, Stallworth is a goner.

Demo Dick Marcinko
12-11-2007, 03:58 PM
I dont expect the Fins to draft a running back especially when they have shit for a qb. That will mean the Pats will draft McFadden! Man that will be SICK. Keeping this core intact and adding McFadden will make this team sicker than this year. Maroney can be traded or accept a backup role.

I just don't see how they can sign both DMac and Moss, knowing the Pats voodoo economics they'll find a way, but they will have to let players walk, which they have since Bellicheat came to town, but they continue to keep on keeping on. Too bad for the rest of the league.

Demo Dick Marcinko
12-11-2007, 04:23 PM
Brown, Troy WR UFA Patriots
Bruschi, Tedy ILB UFA Patriots
Gaffney, Jabar WR UFA Patriots
Gay, Randall CB UFA Patriots
Izzo, Larry ILB UFA Patriots
Mitchell, Mel S UFA Patriots
Moss, Randy WR UFA Patriots
Paxton, Lonnie C UFA Patriots
Samual, Asante CB UFA Patriots
Scott, Chad CB UFA Patriots
Seau, Junior OLB UFA Patriots
Wilson, Eugene S UFA Patriots
Wright, Mike DT RFA Patriots


One big thing that is missing here is Donte Stallworth. His cap figure for 2006 is 6.3 million. If he is cut after June 1, 2008, then his 2008 cap hit falls to 800,000.
The other player to look at is Roosvevlt Colvin. He has a huge cap hit next year of 7.3 and is in the final year of his deal. He might be willing to restructure instead of testing the open market, considering he gets hurt just about every year like clockwork. Any restructing for Colvin would just lower that 7.3 2008 cap hit.

And one other depressing thought, if the lose Seau and Bruschi don't be surprised if they sign Zack Thomas or Ray Lewis for a few years.

J.T.
12-11-2007, 04:33 PM
Patriots going to get blowed up next year.

samikeyp
12-11-2007, 04:46 PM
What the Pats should do, IMO, is package that high pick for multiple ones. They could build up depth that way and also replace any losses from those FA's.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
12-11-2007, 06:50 PM
If the Lions take an offensive player, especially a QB, other than an OL, then I will officially jump ship until Millen is gone.

Oh, and no way the Pats pay $28-30,000,000 guaranteed to an unproven RB. They'll trade down if they can.

2centsworth
12-11-2007, 07:00 PM
If the Lions take an offensive player, especially a QB, other than an OL, then I will officially jump ship until Millen is gone.

Oh, and no way the Pats pay $28-30,000,000 guaranteed to an unproven RB. They'll trade down if they can.
Lions are a Desean Jackson away from competing.

Johnny_Blaze_47
12-11-2007, 07:17 PM
I'm guessing the Falcons don't take Brohm with today's news.

Horry For 3!
12-11-2007, 07:21 PM
If the Lions take an offensive player, especially a QB, other than an OL, then I will officially jump ship until Millen is gone.

Oh, and no way the Pats pay $28-30,000,000 guaranteed to an unproven RB. They'll trade down if they can.
They won't pay that much for McFadden? :lol

O-Factor
12-11-2007, 09:14 PM
Patriots going to get blowed up next year.

You mean they will get blowed up THIS year, in the playoffs, when they have to play in bad snowy wet weather and can't throw the ball deep.

bostonguy
12-11-2007, 10:40 PM
Brown, Troy WR UFA Patriots
Bruschi, Tedy ILB UFA Patriots
Gaffney, Jabar WR UFA Patriots
Gay, Randall CB UFA Patriots
Izzo, Larry ILB UFA Patriots
Mitchell, Mel S UFA Patriots
Moss, Randy WR UFA Patriots
Paxton, Lonnie C UFA Patriots
Samual, Asante CB UFA Patriots
Scott, Chad CB UFA Patriots
Seau, Junior OLB UFA Patriots
Wilson, Eugene S UFA Patriots
Wright, Mike DT RFA Patriots


One big thing that is missing here is Donte Stallworth. His cap figure for 2006 is 6.3 million. If he is cut after June 1, 2008, then his 2008 cap hit falls to 800,000.
The other player to look at is Roosvevlt Colvin. He has a huge cap hit next year of 7.3 and is in the final year of his deal. He might be willing to restructure instead of testing the open market, considering he gets hurt just about every year like clockwork. Any restructing for Colvin would just lower that 7.3 2008 cap hit.

And one other depressing thought, if the lose Seau and Bruschi don't be surprised if they sign Zack Thomas or Ray Lewis for a few years.

Moss will be 31 but hell get his worthy paycheck raise. Most of those guys we will let walk. Teddy will take a paycut so will Colvin if it means keeping our amazing dynasty going. Asante isnt going anywhere either. He is having fun this year and no way the Pats let the best shutdown corner in football leave them. If they sign Mcfadden, they will trade or demote Maroney to backup. Bye bye Gaffney if it means avoiding the cap limit. I see him taking the minimum anyways because he loves playing here too. Ray Lewis is a free agent. Bye Bye Seau hello Ray Lewis. He wants to win as well and we can offer him a good paycheck. Others will take paycuts to land him here. Man what a team we will have next season.

O-Factor
12-12-2007, 08:15 PM
Even though the Pats have done an amazing job with the cap, this is a case where I'm always pulling against the San Fran so that they'll get a very high pick making it difficult for them to trade it forcing their hand to pick and choose. Either they sign Randy Moss who is an UFA, or they sign their top 5 pick. They have an aging defense and they have several key UFA including LB Teddy Brushchi , stud DB who I'd love Dallas to sign Asante Samuels, DB Randall Gay who is a nickel but they place a premium on him, and DB's Tory James and Chad Scott. Their going to have to pick their poison and let some premium players walk.

I expect the Pats will trade the pick their top 5 pick which may include DMac, and the uproar will be heard around the league, that 'they didn't get good value for the pick', just as the pundits said last year when they traded the #28 pick for a 2007 4th rd pick (Moss), and the niners 2008 pick.

The real decision revolves around Moss, will he take less to stay with the Pats? If so, Stallworth is a goner.

I agree with you on all fronts. I can see Samuels going to Dallas while Jerry has 20 mil to spend. And with how good Dallas is now,Jones will spend what is necessary to get imporve this 12-1 team to ensure a Super Bowl.

The pats have done a good job at selling themselves to their players and getting them to take paycuts. But something tells me Moss is going to want Moss-type money. I don't see this guy willing to take a pay cut. Especially if they win the Super Bowl. Thats of course IF they make it there.

jcrod
12-13-2007, 03:31 PM
Oh how i would love to see if Dallas can use their two first round picks to move up to get Chris Long. He would be a huge in Phillips Defense scheme. Why did Cleveland have to be good this year??????