O's trade Tejada to Houston...

[florige]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10526336




Report: Orioles deal Tejada to Astros for five players
Dec. 12, 2007
CBSSports.com staff and wire reports






The wait is finally over.


The Baltimore Orioles pulled the trigger on a long-awaited deal, sending shortstop Miguel Tejada to Houston in exchange for five players, according to the Baltimore Sun . The O's receive outfielder Luke Scott, pitchers Matt Albers, Troy Patton and Dennis Safarte and third baseman Michael Costanzo.

Tejada's stay in Baltmore ends after four seasons, with the team going 291-357 during the span. Tejada hit .296 with 18 homers in 2007, and also saw his consecutive games played streak end at 1,152 on June 22.

[ATRAIN]

DAMMIT, I was worried we would have to give up Patton!! Why are we giving up all our future stars. Hey Flo you got yourself 2 pretty good guys in Scott and Patton.

[curtismedellin]

From CBS Sports MLB:


Tejada goes to a great hitter's park in Houston and will remain one of the top 5-10 Fantasy shortstops because of his rare run production at the position. The drop in his stock might have just as much to do with the new stars at the shortstop position as it does with the regression of his own talents. He did miss almost all of July with a fractured wrist -- causing him to fall short of 600 at-bats for the first time since 1999 -- but he showed off the power he still has remaining by launching 10 of his 18 homers upon his return in August. Tejada, who turns 32 in May, doesn't make for as flashy a Fantasy pick as he once did as his career has clearly entered its decline, and his shortage of walks will forever send sabermetricians into hysterics. But he will still prove an asset to the Fantasy team that selects him -- possibly even a steal if he lasts into the middle rounds.



Typical Astros move.

I guess this will be hailed as the move that gets them back into contention. This line won't work for veteran Astros fans, we've seen it before; a band aid to cover up another .500 season. IMO.

:bang

[ATRAIN]

From CBS Sports MLB:


Tejada goes to a great hitter's park in Houston and will remain one of the top 5-10 Fantasy shortstops because of his rare run production at the position. The drop in his stock might have just as much to do with the new stars at the shortstop position as it does with the regression of his own talents. He did miss almost all of July with a fractured wrist -- causing him to fall short of 600 at-bats for the first time since 1999 -- but he showed off the power he still has remaining by launching 10 of his 18 homers upon his return in August. Tejada, who turns 32 in May, doesn't make for as flashy a Fantasy pick as he once did as his career has clearly entered its decline, and his shortage of walks will forever send sabermetricians into hysterics. But he will still prove an asset to the Fantasy team that selects him -- possibly even a steal if he lasts into the middle rounds.



Typical Astros move.

I guess this will be hailed as the move that gets them back into contention. This line won't work for veteran Astros fans, we've seen it before; a band aid to cover up another .500 season. IMO.

:bang

Well at least Wade is trying to make some changes, I give him major props on that.

[George Gervin's Afro]

so long adam everrett..

[florige]

DAMMIT, I was worried we would have to give up Patton!! Why are we giving up all our future stars. Hey Flo you got yourself 2 pretty good guys in Scott and Patton.


I haven't heard much about these guys but thats good to hear. Tejada WILL put up big numbers for you guys though. He just got tired of playing here and who could blame him to be honest. I think Patton could be a starter in the OF though for us.

[TheProfessor]

so long adam everrett..
Or Wiggington. Tejada can shift to third. It would make no sense to improve defensively with Bourn and Matsui, only to plug Tejada's decreasing range in at SS.

[ATRAIN]

I haven't heard much about these guys but thats good to hear. Tejada WILL put up big numbers for you guys though. He just got tired of playing here and who could blame him to be honest. I think Patton could be a starter in the OF though for us.


You mean Scott hahahaha, Patton is a pitcher. Yeah we tried to get him last year but that fell through. I guess we will prob try to package Everett and Burke next.

[ATRAIN]

Or Wiggington. Tejada can shift to third. It would make no sense to improve defensively with Bourn and Matsui, only to plug Tejada's decreasing range in at SS.


We could prob get something decent for Wiggington and Burke packaged together.

[TheProfessor]

We could prob get something decent for Wiggington and Burke packaged together.
I expect Wade is banking on that, something in the way of a starting pitcher would be nice, though I doubt they'll get the #2 guy that's needed. I think they'll stay in-house to fill the closer role.

[ATRAIN]

I expect Wade is banking on that, something in the way of a starting pitcher would be nice, though I doubt they'll get the #2 guy that's needed. I think they'll stay in-house to fill the closer role.


Yeah if we could find another starter that would be pretty much all we are going to do for the rest of the season. With Blum and Loretta backing up our infield, there is no need to keep Burke around.

[florige]

You mean Scott hahahaha, Patton is a pitcher. Yeah we tried to get him last year but that fell through. I guess we will prob try to package Everett and Burke next.


Yeah I got the two mixed up.... :lol

[Kermit]

Everett's being released as a free-agent. They're getting nothing for him. There went their defense.

[TheProfessor]

Yeah if we could find another starter that would be pretty much all we are going to do for the rest of the season. With Blum and Loretta backing up our infield, there is no need to keep Burke around.
Well, I was wrong - they're releasing Everett tomorrow, making him a FA. Um, this makes no sense - you got Matsui and Bourn to beef up your defense, and you're not guaranteed decent OBP's from either (especially Matsui) at the top of the order. Then you put Tejada at SS, his defensive range getting worse every year, weakening an already weak starting pitching rotation that needs help from a good SS who can turn plays. I mean, the line-up is great 1-6, but if the starting pitching gives up a ton of runs in that rinky-dink park, what's the use?

[ATRAIN]

Well, I was wrong - they're releasing Everett tomorrow, making him a FA. Um, this makes no sense - you got Matsui and Bourn to beef up your defense, and you're not guaranteed decent OBP's from either (especially Matsui) at the top of the order. Then you put Tejada at SS, his defensive range getting worse every year, weakening an already weak starting pitching rotation that needs help from a good SS who can turn plays. I mean, the line-up is great 1-6, but if the starting pitching gives up a ton of runs in that rinky-dink park, what's the use?


where did you see that?

[K-State Spur]

DAMMIT, I was worried we would have to give up Patton!! Why are we giving up all our future stars. Hey Flo you got yourself 2 pretty good guys in Scott and Patton.

To be honest, you probably sold high on both Patton and Albers. Their peripheral minor league stats don't point to being top of the rotation pitchers in the big leagues.

That said, to get two guys (along with a quality platoon OF) who BA had rated as the top 2 pitching prospects (#2 & #3 overall behind Pence) in the Astros' organization at the beginning of last year for a disgruntled Tejada coming off a down year is a decent move by MacPhail.

Patton and Albers were also top 80 prospects in all of baseball according to BA in 2007.

I like this deal better than the Santana/Aybar package that was offered by the Angels in 2006, and I like it a hell of a lot more than the Everett/Burke package that was being rumored on the Oriole board last week (I wouldn't trade my dirty socks for either of them).

[K-State Spur]

Well, I was wrong - they're releasing Everett tomorrow, making him a FA. Um, this makes no sense - you got Matsui and Bourn to beef up your defense, and you're not guaranteed decent OBP's from either (especially Matsui) at the top of the order. Then you put Tejada at SS, his defensive range getting worse every year, weakening an already weak starting pitching rotation that needs help from a good SS who can turn plays. I mean, the line-up is great 1-6, but if the starting pitching gives up a ton of runs in that rinky-dink park, what's the use?

Actually Tejada dropped some weight and was improved in the field last season. His 'Fielding Bible' rating was about middle of the pack - well ahead of Derek Jeter (not to insinuate that says a lot).

[florige]

It's funny both fanbases feel they got kinda screwed....


http://www.baltimoresun2.com/talk/forumdisplay.php?f=9

[K-State Spur]

I wouldn't worry about the Sun message board, it's just a bunch of crazies. A better representation of the fan base is orioleshangout.com

[florige]

I wouldn't worry about the Sun message board, it's just a bunch of crazies. A better representation of the fan base is orioleshangout.com



:lol A few of them are no need to mention names. But some of those guys over there are alright. I will have to check out the orioleshangout one.

[ATRAIN]

:lol A few of them are no need to mention names. But some of those guys over there are alright. I will have to check out the orioleshangout one.


LOL well both sides are pretty much against this trade. I for one am not against it. We won't know until the season starts who got the better of the two. I like Tejada in the lineup and yeah Patton wasn't at the caliber of a MLB starter just yet.

[K-State Spur]

I'm not sure they like it any more over there. (Actually, judging by the thread, they DID like the trade until one of the board insiders announced that he didn't like it, then everybody swinging from his nuts joined in tune.)

Personally, I don't think it's a bad deal. Scott will likely be packaged in another deal. If not, he'll likely put up equal numbers to Miggy next year (albeit in a less valuable way as an OF compared to a SS).

Hopefully, 1 of Patton/Albers develops into a middle rotation starter.

Costanza is listed as the top power prospect in the Astros system. And if he doesn't work out, you just move him into the front office as the assistant to the traveling secretary. SERENITY NOW

[florige]

I'm not sure they like it any more over there. (Actually, judging by the thread, they DID like the trade until one of the board insiders announced that he didn't like it, then everybody swinging from his nuts joined in tune.)

Personally, I don't think it's a bad deal. Scott will likely be packaged in another deal. If not, he'll likely put up equal numbers to Miggy next year (albeit in a less valuable way as an OF compared to a SS).

Hopefully, 1 of Patton/Albers develops into a middle rotation starter.

Costanza is listed as the top power prospect in the Astros system. And if he doesn't work out, you just move him into the front office as the assistant to the traveling secretary. SERENITY NOW



:lol

[florige]

LOL well both sides are pretty much against this trade. I for one am not against it. We won't know until the season starts who got the better of the two. I like Tejada in the lineup and yeah Patton wasn't at the caliber of a MLB starter just yet.



Like I said, I expect Miggy to put up solid numbers for you guys. Just not sure defensely how's he's going to be able to contribute.

[ATRAIN]

Like I said, I expect Miggy to put up solid numbers for you guys. Just not sure defensely how's he's going to be able to contribute.


Hopefully our guys can help you NOT get 30+ runs scored on you hahahahahaha

[florige]

Hopefully our guys can help you NOT get 30+ runs scored on you hahahahahaha


Sheeesh don't remind me. It's bad enough everytime Mel post I have to see that debacle as a reminder... :lol Now if only someone would be stupid enough to take Baez. (oops I mean someone smart enough to take a quality pitcher as him)

[K-State Spur]

there's really no response to that.

i remember watching that game, it was 3-0 O's in the third when I left for my evening class. when i heard on the radio that the rangers had put up 30, i figured they had done it over both halves of the doubleheader...nope.

[florige]

there's really no response to that.

i remember watching that game, it was 3-0 O's in the third when I left for my evening class. when i heard on the radio that the rangers had put up 30, i figured they had done it over both halves of the doubleheader...nope.



Heck even that would had been bad. What's messed up is we LOST the second game too!!

[ATRAIN]

Sheeesh don't remind me. It's bad enough everytime Mel post I have to see that debacle as a reminder... :lol Now if only someone would be stupid enough to take Baez. (oops I mean someone smart enough to take a quality pitcher as him)


Hey you guys want Jennings as well, he should be a free agent and he is a balla!! LMAO

[florige]

Hey you guys want Jennings as well, he should be a free agent and he is a balla!! LMAO


He must suck monkey ball then... :lol

[MajorMike]

Scott is a future superstar

[MoSpur]

What the heck! I just read it on foxsports website. Why would the Astros give up young pitching prospects for Miguel Tejeda. He is a good bat, but he is approaching 32. He isn't that good on the field anymore. Everrett isn't the best hitter, but he was a darn good SS.

[Kermit]

Scott is a future superstar

Not on the Astros he's not. Pence is infinitely more valuable.

[DOMINATOR]

draytons man love for tejada is unbelievable.

luke scott could put up the same numbers as tejada did last season.
patton could be a #3 but his velocity already declined however i think he could still be of use.
albers has great stuff but way too inconsistent. decent relief pitcher. i dont think he will ever be a good starter.
sarfate sucks losing this guy he was really impressive with the astros who got him for cash from the brewers. i saw him as a setup reliever. great stuff 100mph+ fastball
costanzo eh didnt know anything cuz he from phillies. dont think he will ever turn into a great MLB hitter just a pure power hitter.

everett being released well doesnt that just make this a 6 for 1 trade... pretty lame. guess everett was hurt more than originally thought.


i still dont see why sarfate had to be in the deal scott/patton/albers should have been enough. costanzo was a throw in for any deal.

now for the astros response to Tejada being in the mitchell report tomorrow should be interesting.

[K-State Spur]

Scott is a future superstar

At 29, he likely is what he is at this point - which is an above average ML outfielder.

Superstar - probably not. But if the O's hold onto him, he'll fit nicely in leftfield with Markakis entrenched in right.

[K-State Spur]

Astros Fans,

Let us hope that this is the Revenge of the Glenn Davis Trade!!!

That trade set the Birds back 8 years.

[Horry For 3!]

I don't like giving up Troy Patton.

[FirebatMIV]

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/astros_acquired_tejada/

BTF Transaction Oracle Weighs In

[ClingingMars]

lol, steroids

-Mars

[Tippecanoe]

well, that was a good trade

[K-State Spur]

If you really think about it, the Astros are in the same boat before they made the trade.

Tejada's not going to be suspended. There are so many names mentioned in the report (and his was only rumor), that he's not going to receive the worst treatment from fans elsewhere.

I wouldn't worry about it.

[MajorMike]

At 29, he likely is what he is at this point - which is an above average ML outfielder.


That's a pretty ignorant statement. Scott didn't get his chance until 2 years ago because of a loaded Houston outfield.

Matt Holliday was .290 his 1st 121 games, 86 SO, 57 RBI, 14 HR.
Luke Scott was .295 his 1st 99 games, 66 SO, 41 RBI, 10 HR.

His 1st full season was on a completely limp Houston team.

I'm glad you can forcast the future off of one full season. Can you tell me the lottery #s next week?

[K-State Spur]

Or...

I looked at a lot more than just one season - mainly his age + his career minor league numbers. He never had a great minor league season at any level until he was quite a bit older and more experienced than his competition at those levels. And yes, there is a high correlation between that and future success (sometimes VERY accurately).

Matt Holliday was 24 when he posted the numbers you show, Luke Scott is 29. That's a significant point that you just gloss over.

Plus, Scott has been helped to date by a very high BABIP. I'd explain that, but I'm sure you know all about BABIP, since you're not 'ignorant' and all.


All that said, I REALLY like getting Scott back in that trade. He's an above average player and will likely be the best Orioles LF since BJ Surhoff in the late 90s. By himself, he'll probably out-produce Tejada next year (at a position that makes his numbers less valuable than Miggy's).

But he's not a superstar.

[Purple & Gold]

Cheater!!!!!

[Holt's Cat]

Scott is a future superstar

Not any moreso than Eric Anthony.

[K-State Spur]

bump.

Curious to know the thoughts of Astros fans on the trade now that we are a few months into the season.

Astros:

Miguel Tejada - .303 AVG, 9 HR, .821 OPS, 114 OPS+

Orioles:

Luke Scott - .277 AVG, 11 HR, .871 OPS, 134 OPS+
Matt Albers - 2.74 ERA, 42.2 IP, 23/17 K-BB.
Dennis Sarftate - 3.38 ERA, 29.1 IP, 33/20 K-BB
Troy Patton - Recovering from surgery

From the Orioles perspective, they have to be quite pleased with how this deal is turning out. Albers and Sarfate have made large contributions to what has been - quite surprisingly - one of the best bullpens in baseball. Scott has not only replace, but actually exceeded Tejada's production - however, it's not exactly apples to apples, since Miggy plays a position where it is tougher to find offense.

Thoughts? Would you do the trade again (or would you have the first time)?

[djohn14]

I just think Miggy T provieds more then a threat offensivly. He has a certain something you cant replace with prospects.