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Nbadan
12-12-2007, 04:58 PM
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/190500/190867pUXT_w.jpg
Fvck The Earth!


From the King of Dogma....


Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.

The leader of more than a billion Roman Catholics suggested that fears over man-made emissions melting the ice caps and causing a wave of unprecedented disasters were nothing more than scare-mongering.

The German-born Pontiff said that while some concerns may be valid it was vital that the international community based its policies on science rather than the dogma of the environmentalist movement.

His remarks will be made in his annual message for World Peace Day on January 1, but they were released as delegates from all over the world convened on the Indonesian holiday island of Bali for UN climate change talks.

The 80-year-old Pope said the world needed to care for the environment but not to the point where the welfare of animals and plants was given a greater priority than that of mankind.

Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=501316&in_page_id=1811&ito=1490)

Al Gore Nobel Prize: 1
Pope Benedict Nobel Prize: 0

johnsmith
12-12-2007, 05:02 PM
I'd like to either read a line by line speech of him saying this, or hear it first hand.


Just think Dan, you have another thing in common with radical Muslims, you take the Pope out of context too.

JoeChalupa
12-12-2007, 05:06 PM
God Bless the Pope!! Is Dan losing it?

Nbadan
12-12-2007, 05:09 PM
WWJD?

boutons_
12-12-2007, 07:32 PM
Benny is infallible only matters of faith and morals, papal infallibility being a quite recent invention in the 2000 year history of the Church.

His position on environmental issues is total bullshit,

eg, the false opposition of humans vs plants/animals. The real opposition is money-grubbing business vs the environment.

eg, sliming the environmentalists as ideological, not scientific.

Even some of the Proddy Bible-thumpers have come around to the position that man must respect his stewardship of all the planet. Given a little more time, they might even go hippy on us and realize that "everything is connected". :)

Holt's Cat
12-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Clearly the Pope is a Repug and in the grasp of Darth Cheney.

Mister Sinister
12-12-2007, 08:03 PM
I still think it's hilarious that the Pope looks a lot like Palpatine.

MaNuMaNiAc
12-12-2007, 08:20 PM
Why would anyone listen to the Pope on matters that aren't of religion?? Specially when it comes to science?

PixelPusher
12-12-2007, 08:25 PM
...be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.
the Pope said that?

Someone must have hipped him to the "environmentalism leads to communism" meme.

Spurminator
12-12-2007, 08:53 PM
In other important news, the Pope prefers Blu Ray over HDDVD and believes the goth couple will win this season's installment of The Amazing Race.

Lebowski Brickowski
12-13-2007, 12:45 AM
UN/ Govt. doctored study = "...dubious ideology"??? (http://www.warwickhughes.com/climate/consensus.htm)


it “was a response to final government review comments” on earlier, less drastic scenarios.
In other words, it was the result of political interference.

Lebowski Brickowski
12-13-2007, 12:54 AM
"There is no evidence that carbon dioxide increases are having any affect whatsoever on the climate," Gray, who shares in the Nobel Prize awarded to the UN IPCC, explained.
UN Nobel laureates call out gw chicken littles....... (http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=174&Itemid=1)

Nbadan
12-13-2007, 02:11 AM
UN/ Govt. doctored study = "...dubious ideology"??? (http://www.warwickhughes.com/climate/consensus.htm)


May I suggest: The National Academy of Sciences (http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf)

Climate legacy of 'hockey stick' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3569604.stm)

National Center for Atmospheric Research (http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2005/ammann.shtml)

Earth Gets a Warm Feeling All Over from NASA (http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/earth_warm.html)

Climate Change Research: Issues for the Atmospheric and Related Scienc (http://www.ametsoc.org/POLICY/climatechangeresearch_2003.html) by the American Meteorological Society,

Human Impacts on Climate (http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html) from the American Geophysical Union

Earth's Energy Out of Balance (http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20050428/) from NASA

Nbadan
12-13-2007, 02:32 AM
I'd like to either read a line by line speech of him saying this, or hear it first hand.


Just think Dan, you have another thing in common with radical Muslims, you take the Pope out of context too.


Here is the Papa's statement (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/peace/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20071208_xli-world-day-peace_en.html)

Except for the parts about the poor, it pretty much reads from the Republican play-book...

xrayzebra
12-13-2007, 10:35 AM
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/190500/190867pUXT_w.jpg
Fvck The Earth!


From the King of Dogma....



Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=501316&in_page_id=1811&ito=1490)

Al Gore Nobel Prize: 1
Pope Benedict Nobel Prize: 0

Yep you just gotta give all the credit to the inventor of
the inter-net and winner of the socialist medal of the
year award and also the most coveted prize of all
the Academy Award, given out by the prestigious
Hollywood crowd.

Let's hear a stand "O" for Al Gore

:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

And especially the way he will debate the Global
Warming issue with all comers.....oh, that right,
he wont debate it. Because he is right do you
hear me. HE IS RIGHT (well actually left) but
who cares.

DarkReign
12-13-2007, 01:18 PM
The Pope saying we should base our practices on hard science, not movement dogma!!

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao ...on and on....x infinity

Seriously, that has to be the greatest living oxymoron all time.

Nbadan
12-13-2007, 02:05 PM
The Pope saying we should base our practices on hard science, not movement dogma!!

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao ...on and on....x infinity

Seriously, that has to be the greatest living oxymoron all time.


...That completely went over about 50% of the posters here heads....

:hat

xrayzebra
12-13-2007, 02:26 PM
...That completely went over about 50% of the posters here heads....

:hat

Spoken like a true atheist. Christians and their leaders are
all stupid.......
:rolleyes

BradLohaus
12-13-2007, 08:09 PM
Ah, now we are seeing the true MO of the globalists' climate change fear mongering... global taxing authority for the UN

Global Carbon Tax Urged at UN Climate Conference
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=d5c3c93f-802a-23ad-4f29-fe59494b48a6&Issue_id=

Schwank said at least “$10-$40 billion dollars per year” could be generated by the tax, and wealthy nations like the U.S. would bear the biggest burden based on the “polluters pay principle.”

The environmental group Friends of the Earth, in attendance in Bali, also advocated the transfer of money from rich to poor nations on Wednesday.

“A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources,” said Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth.

Calls for global regulations and taxes are not new at the UN. Former Vice President Al Gore, who arrived Thursday at the Bali conference, reiterated this week his call to place a price on carbon dioxide emissions.

In 2000, then French President Jacques Chirac said the UN’s Kyoto Protocol represented "the first component of an authentic global governance." Former EU Environment Minister Margot Wallstrom said, "Kyoto is about the economy, about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." Canadian Prime Minster Stephen Harper once dismissed Kyoto as a “socialist scheme.”

MIT climate scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen warned about these types of carbon regulations earlier this year. "Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life," Lindzen said in March 2007.

In addition, many critics have often charged that proposed tax and regulatory “solutions” were more important to the promoters of man-made climate fears than the accuracy of their science.

Former Colorado Senator Tim Wirth reportedly said in 1990, "We've got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing — in terms of economic policy and environmental policy."

So right or wrong...they're right! Man these people sure are smart. :rolleyes :lol

If LOST ever gets implemented then the UN will have taxing authority over the oceans. If a carbon tax gets implemented then the UN will have taxing authority over carbon dioxide. How do nations avoid taxes like that?

Answer: they don't, and we get especially screwed over by the "redistribution of wealth" globalists. All hail the New World Order. :worthy:

LaMarcus Bryant
12-13-2007, 08:41 PM
When will we just all man up and admit there is no possible way anyone outside of hardcore catholics will take this pope seriously

he looks almost TWICE as evil as Dick Cheney, I've never seen anyone with such horrible dark circles under their eyes....he is the anti pope and cheney is his pupil the anti christ.


BTW, good one, DarkReign :lol

Lebowski Brickowski
12-13-2007, 09:42 PM
he is the anti pope

wow

Because he looks evil and has dark circles under his eyes.

Because he calls for sound science in scientific matters.


btw darkreign -- Oxymoronic it is not. Technically it would be ironic if it were ironic, or maybe hypocritical, if, again, it were. The Pope's authority is in matters of Faith, and dogma is the standard method thereof. Environmental science should have nothing to do with dogma and ideology; Benedict XVI is merely stating common sense: that science should NOT be influenced by ANY ideology, external or internal. No need to be a secular scientist to say that. When seen in light of this correct understanding of Benedict's statement, your joke now reveals itself to be the true, albeit unintentional irony. Ironic that someone implying a scientific position would find the Pope's statement ironic, or, as you put it "oxymoronic."

Nbadan
12-14-2007, 01:58 AM
He's not the anti-pope...


Oxymoronic it is not. Technically it would be ironic if it were ironic, or maybe hypocritical, if, again, it were. The Pope's authority is in matters of Faith, and dogma is the standard method thereof. Environmental science should have nothing to do with dogma and ideology; Benedict XVI is merely stating common sense: that science should NOT be influenced by ANY ideology, external or internal. No need to be a secular scientist to say that.

So does the Pope support evolutionary science too, or does he pick and choose which sciences to support, ya know, like republican Presidential candidates do?

Nbadan
12-14-2007, 02:09 AM
Schwank said at least “$10-$40 billion dollars per year” could be generated by the tax, and wealthy nations like the U.S. would bear the biggest burden based on the “polluters pay principle.”

First of all, $10-40 billion per year is chicken feed...Second of all, asking polluters to clean up their own messes is futile..but we shouldn't need a world agency to tell us what's right...Third of all, this would send the emerging Chinese and Indian economies into a economic tail-spin....

jochhejaam
12-14-2007, 06:22 AM
Why would anyone listen to the Pope on matters that aren't of religion?? Specially when it comes to science?
Spot on Manu, their thinking should conform to the reasoning of those who are throughly educated in the science behind climate change, like that guy that's highly educated in the science of government, Al Gore.

xrayzebra
12-14-2007, 08:59 AM
You want the real reason behind all the Global Warming
hysteria. Just read the following article and especially the
part about good old Uncle Sugar.

In other words another way for the Socialist to do their
re-distribution of wealth. Take from the wealthy, you, and
give to the poor, or who they say are poor.

Global Carbon Tax Urged at UN Climate Conference
December 13, 2007

Posted By Marc Morano – [email protected] – 5:35 PM ET


[See Related UN Bali Blog Reports:
Over 100 Prominent Scientists Warn UN Against 'Futile' Climate Control Efforts
Skeptical Scientists Urge World To ‘Have the Courage to Do Nothing' At UN Conference ]





Global Carbon Tax Urged at UN Climate Conference

BALI, Indonesia – A global tax on carbon dioxide emissions was urged to help save the Earth from catastrophic man-made global warming at the United Nations climate conference. A panel of UN participants on Thursday urged the adoption of a tax that would represent “a global burden sharing system, fair, with solidarity, and legally binding to all nations.”

“Finally someone will pay for these [climate related] costs,” Othmar Schwank, a global tax advocate, told Inhofe EPW Press Blog following the panel discussion titled “A Global CO2 Tax.” Schwank is a consultant with the Switzerland based Mauch Consulting firm


Schwank said at least “$10-$40 billion dollars per year” could be generated by the tax, and wealthy nations like the U.S. would bear the biggest burden based on the “polluters pay principle.”


The U.S. and other wealthy nations need to “contribute significantly more to this global fund,” Schwank explained. He also added, “It is very essential to tax coal.”







The UN was presented with a new report from the Swiss Federal Office for the Environment titled “Global Solidarity in Financing Adaptation.” The report stated there was an “urgent need” for a global tax in order for “damages [from climate change] to be kept from growing to truly catastrophic levels, especially in vulnerable countries of the developing world.”


The tens of billions of dollars per year generated by a global tax would “flow into a global Multilateral Adaptation Fund” to help nations cope with global warming, according to the report.


Schwank said a global carbon dioxide tax is an idea long overdue that is urgently needed to establish “a funding scheme which generates the resources required to address the dimension of challenge with regard to climate change costs.”


'Diminish future prosperity'



However, ideas like a global tax and the overall UN climate agenda met strong opposition Thursday from a team of over 100 prominent international scientists who warned the UN that attempting to control the Earth's climate was "ultimately futile."



The scientists wrote, “The IPCC's conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions." The scientists, many of whom are current or former members of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), sent the December 13 letter to the UN Secretary-General. (See: Over 100 Prominent Scientists Warn UN Against 'Futile' Climate Control Efforts – LINK)



‘Redistribution of wealth’

The environmental group Friends of the Earth, in attendance in Bali, also advocated the transfer of money from rich to poor nations on Wednesday.

“A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources,” said Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth. (LINK)


Calls for global regulations and taxes are not new at the UN. Former Vice President Al Gore, who arrived Thursday at the Bali conference, reiterated this week his call to place a price on carbon dioxide emissions. (LINK)


In 2000, then French President Jacques Chirac said the UN’s Kyoto Protocol represented "the first component of an authentic global governance." Former EU Environment Minister Margot Wallstrom said, "Kyoto is about the economy, about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." Canadian Prime Minster Stephen Harper once dismissed Kyoto as a “socialist scheme.” (LINK)



'A bureaucrat's dream'



MIT climate scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen warned about these types of carbon regulations earlier this year. "Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life," Lindzen said in March 2007. (LINK)



In addition, many critics have often charged that proposed tax and regulatory “solutions” were more important to the promoters of man-made climate fears than the accuracy of their science.



Former Colorado Senator Tim Wirth reportedly said in 1990, "We've got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing — in terms of economic policy and environmental policy." (LINK)


# # #

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Skeptical Scientists Urge World To ‘Have the Courage to Do Nothing' At UN Conference

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Scientists Counter AP Article Promoting Computer Model Climate Fears

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Extra Stout
12-14-2007, 09:12 AM
He's not the anti-pope...



So does the Pope support evolutionary science too, or does he pick and choose which sciences to support, ya know, like republican Presidential candidates do?
RCC explicitly supports evolution.

ratm1221
12-14-2007, 01:32 PM
global warming must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology

You absolutely have to be shittin' me. The Pope is wanting hard evidence in order to believe something? This is coming from a man that believes in an invisible man that lives on the clouds and can see everyone and know what everyone is thinking all at once. I think I've heard it all now. Thanks for this. My only question is, did he make this statement before or after his daily exorcism?

DarkReign
12-14-2007, 01:58 PM
Oxymoronic it is not. Technically it would be ironic if it were ironic, or maybe hypocritical, if, again, it were. The Pope's authority is in matters of Faith, and dogma is the standard method thereof. Environmental science should have nothing to do with dogma and ideology; Benedict XVI is merely stating common sense: that science should NOT be influenced by ANY ideology, external or internal. No need to be a secular scientist to say that. When seen in light of this correct understanding of Benedict's statement, your joke now reveals itself to be the true, albeit unintentional irony. Ironic that someone implying a scientific position would find the Pope's statement ironic, or, as you put it "oxymoronic."

Here is an oxymoron:

Big Shrimp

Here is another:

Scientific Theologist

You cant be both. Pick one or the other.

xrayzebra
12-14-2007, 03:12 PM
You absolutely have to be shittin' me. The Pope is wanting hard evidence in order to believe something? This is coming from a man that believes in an invisible man that lives on the clouds and can see everyone and know what everyone is thinking all at once. I think I've heard it all now. Thanks for this. My only question is, did he make this statement before or after his daily exorcism?

Well I would like some "hard evidence" that man is causing
all this global warming. If WE are causing all this stuff,
how come all these damn experts cant even tell me what
the weather is going to do within the next five days.
And they have all these expensive gadgets to help them
tell me.......as you say you have to be "shitten me".

And I am sure the folks in Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas
would damn sure like to see some this global warming.

Give me a break. A little common sense would help.

ratm1221
12-14-2007, 03:29 PM
Well I would like some "hard evidence" that man is causing
all this global warming. If WE are causing all this stuff,
how come all these damn experts cant even tell me what
the weather is going to do within the next five days.
And they have all these expensive gadgets to help them
tell me.......as you say you have to be "shitten me".

And I am sure the folks in Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas
would damn sure like to see some this global warming.

Give me a break. A little common sense would help.

So I take it you're the asshole that's been throwing trash on the side of our highways? Since you happen to be so scientifically inclined and have read and understood all the documentation written on this subject, please provide us with your assertion. Please help those of us that haven't read the extensive research that you have understand.

George Gervin's Afro
12-14-2007, 04:27 PM
So I take it you're the asshole that's been throwing trash on the side of our highways? Since you happen to be so scientifically inclined and have read and understood all the documentation written on this subject, please provide us with your assertion. Please help those of us that haven't read the extensive research that you have understand.



he listens to hush limbuagh. seriously, he agrees with whatever hush says..

Wild Cobra
12-14-2007, 11:08 PM
Spoken like a true atheist. Christians and their leaders are
all stupid.......
:rolleyes
Yes, they think we are stupid.

Thing is, many of us have had true spiritual experience. Direct experience is good enough for me.

Over our heads?

Get real and stop being ignorant you athiests. You shouldn't speak about such things you don't have a clue about.

xrayzebra
12-15-2007, 10:33 AM
So I take it you're the asshole that's been throwing trash on the side of our highways? Since you happen to be so scientifically inclined and have read and understood all the documentation written on this subject, please provide us with your assertion. Please help those of us that haven't read the extensive research that you have understand.

Yeah, I go around throwing stuff out all the time. People
like you have to have a job.

And pray tell what documentation exist that says man
has created all this "great" global warming. And may I
ask: what is the normal temperature for earth?

Nope, my fine friend, I see you do the same as most of
your group, just call someone who doubts a bunch of
names and accuse them of being ignorant when it is
you who don't want to know what the real truth is.

The real truth of the matter is what I posted. Tax the
hell out of the rich countries, helllllooooo, Uncle Sugar,
and give it to the "poor" of the world. Socialism.
Want to know where the communist all went to. Check
the environmentalist. They have a new home and
religion.

smeagol
12-15-2007, 08:19 PM
When will we just all man up and admit there is no possible way anyone outside of hardcore catholics will take this pope seriously

Pretty stupid statement.

Congrats.

Extra Stout
12-15-2007, 08:35 PM
I take Benedict pretty seriously as a theologian and an author, but not so seriously as an ecumenical diplomat to Protestants.

That is because he is an accomplished theologian and author, but does not even try to be an ecumenical diplomat to Protestants.

Cant_Be_Faded
12-15-2007, 10:29 PM
Pretty stupid statement.

Congrats.


My statement is based on a couple highly plausible assumptions, and I dare you to seriously challenge me that either of them are not HIGHLY PLAUSIBLE:

1) Most people who consider themselves christians (especially in the u.s.) are hypocrites, and not true hardcore religious people, and are susceptible to focusing on superficialities like the way a person looks

2) Most people who exist in this world that glance at this man's face and try their best to ignore his Pope Garb will admit his face looks evil.

Drop your christian goggles for one second
the guy looks very sinister, if you saw him walking down the street in jeans and a Sooner tshirt you would think he was a pedophile

smeagol
12-15-2007, 11:01 PM
My statement is based on a couple highly plausible assumptions, and I dare you to seriously challenge me that either of them are not HIGHLY PLAUSIBLE:

1) Most people who consider themselves christians (especially in the u.s.) are hypocrites, and not true hardcore religious people, and are susceptible to focusing on superficialities like the way a person looks

2) Most people who exist in this world that glance at this man's face and try their best to ignore his Pope Garb will admit his face looks evil.

Drop your christian goggles for one second
the guy looks very sinister, if you saw him walking down the street in jeans and a Sooner tshirt you would think he was a pedophile


As I said, stupid statement.

Thanks for expanding and confirming how stupid it was to begin with.

Nbadan
12-16-2007, 03:02 AM
What the POPE really needs is a image make-over...

Film-maker Zeffirelli vows to help Pope with image


ROME (Reuters) - Italian film and opera director Franco Zeffirelli is offering his services to Pope Benedict as an image consultant, saying the German pontiff comes across as cold and needs to review his wardrobe.

Zeffirelli, acclaimed for movies such as "Romeo and Juliet" and "Jesus of Nazareth," said in an interview with la Stampa daily on Saturday the 80-year-old pope did not have "a happy image."

"Coming after a media-savvy pope like John Paul II is a difficult task ... Benedict XVI still communicates coldly, in a way that is not suited with what is happening around him," Zeffirelli said.

"It's an issue I have been discussing with people who have key roles in the Vatican," said Zeffirelli, who has directed some Vatican television events.

"The Pope does not smile much, but he is an intellectual. He has a very rigid Bavarian structure," he said.

Zeffirelli, 84, added that papal robes were "too sumptuous and flashy." "What is needed is the simplicity and sobriety seen in the other echelons of the Church," he said.

Zeffirelli said he was in regular contact with the Pope's closest aides and had also made proposals to "defend the image of faith in cinema, the image of the sacred."

"The Holy See intends to pay a lot more attention to this," he said.

He said today's religious films were "a horror that the Holy See does not know how to stop.

"I am a Christian down to the depths of my spirit. I can't stand by while this disaster unfolds. I am available to put myself at the service of the Church," he said.

"If they officially give me a supervisory role, I will do it full-time."

The Vatican was not immediately available for comment.

Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071215/wl_nm/pope_zeffirelli_dc)

Hey, I know, sell some of those precious works of art you have lying around in the Vatican basement and give the money to stop the genocides in Africa and other places....nah, that's a reach....

LaMarcus Bryant
12-16-2007, 11:04 AM
As I said, stupid statement.

Thanks for expanding and confirming how stupid it was to begin with.

As i've said, youre an argentinian that is pro globalization and has no real grasp of what the fuck is going on in my country

I see more americans when I go to the convenience store to buy blunts than you do in an entire year. I know I'm invading your precious christian bubble of protection but if you wanna drop the pretense and debate a few posts in a logical manner then explain to me how my two statements aren't highly plausible, senor smeagol.

LaMarcus Bryant
12-16-2007, 11:05 AM
What the POPE really needs is a image make-over...

Film-maker Zeffirelli vows to help Pope with image



Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071215/wl_nm/pope_zeffirelli_dc)

Hey, I know, sell some of those precious works of art you have lying around in the Vatican basement and give the money to stop the genocides in Africa and other places....nah, that's a reach....



ROFL
after i posted my last reply last night I actually looked up shit if others agree on the web he looks evil and the first thing that popped up was that article saying how the pope does not have a "Happy image"
rofl

MaNuMaNiAc
12-16-2007, 12:35 PM
Just for laughs

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg

:lol

MaNuMaNiAc
12-16-2007, 12:39 PM
YIKES! this one isn't even photoshopped :oops

http://www.dangerouslogic.com/images/pope_grinch.jpg

smeagol
12-16-2007, 02:22 PM
Look at the statement I quoted on post #35. That is what I was refering as moronic (I know you are known to come up with many moroninc statment in one post, but this time I quoted and exopanded on only one).

You said "there is no possible way anyone outside of hardcore catholics will take this pope seriously"

which is obviously a stupid statement, any way you analize it.

Then you talk about stuff Americans do. This is is totally irrelevant given that no more than 6% of the world's catholics live in the US.

Actually, your statement speaks pretty poorly about Americans as a whole, if they can't get past looks when judging good and bad.

Next question, dumfvck?

Extra Stout
12-16-2007, 06:57 PM
Benedict's priorities lie primarily in places where the Star Wars trilogy is not a very big deal.

DarkReign
12-17-2007, 03:14 AM
Benedict's priorities lie primarily in places where the Star Wars trilogy is not a very big deal.

:lmao

But show those folks a picture of Palpatine and I bet they make the connection.

MaNuMaNiAc
12-17-2007, 03:16 AM
Benedict's priorities lie primarily in places where the Star Wars trilogy is not a very big deal.:lol

LaMarcus Bryant
12-17-2007, 06:25 PM
Look at the statement I quoted on post #35. That is what I was refering as moronic (I know you are known to come up with many moroninc statment in one post, but this time I quoted and exopanded on only one).

my bad


You said "there is no possible way anyone outside of hardcore catholics will take this pope seriously"

which is obviously a stupid statement, any way you analize it.

i clarified by saying i meant in america


Then you talk about stuff Americans do. This is is totally irrelevant given that no more than 6% of the world's catholics live in the US.

Actually, your statement speaks pretty poorly about Americans as a whole, if they can't get past looks when judging good and bad.

Next question, dumfvck?
Very astute of you mr globalist, that was the point.

smeagol
12-17-2007, 08:02 PM
i clarified by saying i meant in america

Not on the post where I extracted my original quote from, you didn't.

Here it is, in case you forgot it:


When will we just all man up and admit there is no possible way anyone outside of hardcore catholics will take this pope seriously

he looks almost TWICE as evil as Dick Cheney, I've never seen anyone with such horrible dark circles under their eyes....he is the anti pope and cheney is his pupil the anti christ.


BTW, good one, DarkReign

No mention to America (not on this post, not on the next one . . . on your third post of this thread there is a mention of Americans, which is irrelevant when talking about Catholics and makes you look that much more ignorant on the subject)



Very astute of you mr globalist, that was the point.

So your point is Americans are stupid, Mr Islationist?

Ok :rolleyes

LaMarcus Bryant
12-17-2007, 08:12 PM
Not on the post where I extracted my original quote from, you didn't.

Here it is, in case you forgot it:



No mention to America (not on this post, not on the next one . . . on your third post of this thread there is a mention of Americans, which is irrelevant when talking about Catholics and makes you look that much more ignorant on the subject)




So your point is Americans are stupid, Mr Islationist?

Ok :rolleyes

I was simply trying to point out that if people have not accepted the fact that casual american catholics and casual catholics with an american state of mind will never take this pope seriously(at least relative to John Paul II), they should do so.

I realize it had nothing to do with the topic of this thread but every picture i see of this guy he reminds me of the prophesied antipope.

Sorrry senor smeagol!

balli
12-25-2007, 10:53 AM
So much for that argument. The Vatican is even going so far as to buy carbon-credits.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/25/world/europe/25pope.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin



ROME — Pope Benedict XVI reinforced the Vatican’s growing concern with protecting the environment in the traditional midnight Christmas Mass on Tuesday, bemoaning an “ill-treated world” in a homily given to thousands of pilgrims here in the seat of the world’s billion Roman Catholics.
On the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ some 2,000 years ago, Benedict referred to one early father of the church, Gregory of Nyssa, a bishop in what is now Turkey. “What would he say if he could see the state of the world today, through the abuse of energy and its selfish and reckless exploitation?” the pope asked, according to the Vatican’s English translation.

He expanded on the theme briefly by saying that an 11th-century theologian, Anselm of Canterbury, had spoken “in an almost prophetic way” as he “described a vision of what we witness today as a polluted world whose future is at risk.”

In recent months, Benedict has spoken out increasingly about environmental concerns, and the Vatican has even purchased “carbon offsets,” credits on the global market to compensate for carbon dioxide emissions, for the energy consumed in the world’s smallest state, Vatican City.

In his third Christmas Mass since being elected pope in 2005, Benedict also inaugurated the Nativity scene on St. Peter’s Square.

The pope devoted most of his homily to the theme of the difficulty Christ’s earthly parents, Mary and Joseph, had finding lodging in Bethlehem as Mary neared giving birth.

“The time came for Mary to deliver,” the pope said. “And she gave birth to her first-born son and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger because there was no room for them in the inn.

“Those words touch our hearts every time we hear them,” he continued.

Benedict compared that with what he suggested was a lack of room in the hearts of people today to hear the message of Christ’s birth.

“In some ways, mankind is awaiting God, waiting for him to draw near,” he said. “But when the moment comes, there is no room for him. Man is so preoccupied with himself, he has such an urgent need for all the space and all the time for his own things, that nothing remains for others — for his neighbor, for the poor, for God. And the richer men become, the more they fill up all the space by themselves.”