Calderon crushing Dallas: Mavs down by 18 at the half

[Cry Havoc]

Is it safe to say Dallas is in full panic mode yet?

[mVp]

Go Raps Go! :lol

[Tippecanoe]

man, these mavs have played some crappy ball in the early going. still december though

[Kobulingam]

Calderon is very underratted.

[z0sa]

the mavericks could be one of the most disappointing teams this season.

the playoff breakdowns theyve had may be too much mentally for them. This season might just be a transition for them.

[Cry Havoc]

Calderon is very underratted.

My various fantasy teams over the past 2 years have agreed with you. No one ever drafts him and he always ends up as my #2 or 3 assist guy.

[Tippecanoe]

raptors up 16 at the end of 3

[Dalhoop]

18 is not enough, the Mavs normally come from 20+ points back to beat the Raptors. Of course if they didn't get so far behind, maybe they wont have the need to get their asses in gear.

[Cry Havoc]

18 is not enough, the Mavs normally come from 20+ points back to beat the Raptors. Of course if they didn't get so far behind, maybe they wont have the need to get their asses in gear.

Normally? It's a normal thing for you to be down 20 to a team?

Please show proof, because frankly I don't believe that you "regularly" come from 20+ down on -any- team.

[Dalhoop]

Alright, let me find the links.

[Tippecanoe]

wow, the bench scoring for the mavs is just sad

[Tippecanoe]

they cant stop humphries :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Alright, let me find the links.

Well, it's 20 points with 8:22 left. But I guess that's no reason to worry, normally they are down by 35 with 3 minutes to play and pull it out. :lol

[Kobulingam]

hump is one tough white dude

I'd trade Bonner for him anyday.

[Tippecanoe]

humphries!!!

[Dalhoop]

Mavs down 24 to Raptors and win (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=271120006)

Mavs down 24 to Raptors and win (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260225006)

Two games in five being played ... so I guess its not "regular" but just onder half the time :)

[Medvedenko]

Living in the past forum....

[Cry Havoc]

Mavs down 24 to Raptors and win (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=271120006)

Mavs down 24 to Raptors and win (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260225006)

Two games in five being played ... so I guess its not "regular" but just onder half the time :)

Twice is not a trend.

Playing .500 ball over the past 14 games and being down by double digits consistently IS does appear to be one for these Mavs, however.

[Dalhoop]

I didn't say it was a trend, I said the normally 20+ points ins't enough. You wanted to see the proof, so I post it and then "Oh, he is living in the past" ... Whatever, the Raptors tend to fold when the play the Mavs .. To their credit they seem to be holding on this time.

[Tippecanoe]

what a dunk by bass!!!

[Tippecanoe]

even better jam by humphries! :lmao

[Dalhoop]

Mavs down by 16 and win this one vs Raptors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270114028)

Does 3 of five make a trend?

[Cry Havoc]

Mavs down by 16 and win this one vs Raptors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270114028)

Does 3 of five make a trend?

Considering those games are in the past, and you got your ass handed to you tonight, not really.

[Dalhoop]

3 of 6 now, they held on, more power to them.

[Roxsfan]

the rapties are pretty good

[dknights411]

Just out of curiosity, when will Mav fans call for Cuban to pull the Kidd trade?

[Mr. Body]

Raptors have more talent than the Mavericks do right now. Mavs may have the top two players or so, but Toronto has more guys that can impact a game. Especially with Dirk playing miserable ball, at least for his level, the Mavs really aren't that great.

I wonder if a shake-up is in order, if they'll rescue themselves from the doldrums. Suddenly their future doesn't look so bright, with aging Terry and Stackhouse, a weak bench, Harris already having hit his ceiling, and Howard the better player over Nowitzki. I wonder if Chicago might be interested in a trade?

[Dalhoop]

I think they are an up and comming team, they have some good young talent. Hate to see Ford out again ... I think he needs to retire before the he ends up paralyzed.

The Mavs offense without Harris .... Bad ... like REALY BAD. The defense is improving though, good game for the Mavs.

All you hates can celebrate a Mavs loss and thats fine with me. The Defense has been really bad but they held the Raptors to 43% and 37% ... The offense ... well its a little hard to judge without your PG ... I can live with this loss ... If we would have allowed the raptors to shot 60% then it would have been a bad loss.

[Dalhoop]

I think that Bass is causing a few problem with the Mavs. Dirk is not a center and his play suffers when he plays center. Well, when the put Bass in the game, it has been at PF and Dirk slides to Center ... We get some good scoring with Bass, but Dirks game suffers.

So we can go with Dampier or Diop and hardly any scoring, or Bass and get scoring but throw everything out of whack.

Another problem is injuries.

We were very lucky with injuries last year, this year its a different story. Dampier missed the first month and Harris has been in and out of the line-up ... You can't have that with your starting center and PG ... Of course Avery wants Jones to start at SG, and this was effectively his first game of the season.

It is just taking time for the team to gel and actually play together. I don't see a trade on the horizon.

[Dirkgreatness]

Why does Avery continue to play smallball?

[Mr. Body]

I can't believe Devin Harris is worth 20 points against Toronto. He's a great defender but on offense is not terribly good. The breakdown in the offense is not because of his absence.

[DallasFan]

Calderon is very underratted.

Dirk Nowitski very overrated...SHHH.Don't tell Dr. Buss in LA though...

Man, I really hate watching this piece of sh_t team this year..they really do suck! I hope they lose the rest of their games...they need to be disassembled.

[Findog]

Just out of curiosity, when will Mav fans call for Cuban to pull the Kidd trade?

If it's a package centered around Devin, I'm all about that.

[Findog]

and Howard the better player over Nowitzki.


:lol :lol :lol

[ShoogarBear]

Why does Avery continue to play smallball?*chortle*

[Shank]

When the Mavs lose to the Raptors in December, it's time to panic and the Mavs blow.
When the Spurs lose to the Warriors in December, it's just a regular season game and guys played poorly.

[ShoogarBear]

When the Mavs lose to the Raptors in December and to the Spurs without Duncan and drop their record to 14-9, it's time to panic and the Mavs blow.
When the Spurs lose to the Warriors in December without Tim Duncan and are still 17-4, it's just a regular season game and guys played poorly.Fixed.

[Mr. Body]

When the Mavs lose to the Raptors in December, it's time to panic and the Mavs blow.
When the Spurs lose to the Warriors in December, it's just a regular season game and guys played poorly.

A game of hangman, shall we? I'll spot you two letters:

D _ _ _ _ N

[ShoogarBear]

FWIW, I think the problem is the Mavs have swung the pendulum too far away from last year in the name of experimentation, and eventually Avery will realize that.

[Shank]

A game of hangman, shall we? I'll spot you two letters:

D _ _ _ _ N

Oh, so THAT'S the official stance. A win was guaranteed with Duncan playing last night, even if Manu and Parker were to play that awfully again. Who's to say Bonner does what he did if Duncan were in there? Fuck all that.

[td4mvp21]

Oh, so THAT'S the official stance. A win was guaranteed with Duncan playing last night, even if Manu and Parker were to play that awfully again. Who's to say Bonner does what he did if Duncan were in there? Fuck all that.
Don't you get it? We're always right.

[Shank]

Don't you get it? We're always right.

So I've heard :)

[td4mvp21]

So I've heard :)

:lol

There is a bit (maybe a little more) of hypocrisy involved, but there is something noticeably wrong with the Mavs and I don't think even Mavs fans will deny it. I don't really think theres reason to panic though, plenty of time for them to turn things around.

[BonnerDynasty]

Oh, so THAT'S the official stance. A win was guaranteed with Duncan playing last night, even if Manu and Parker were to play that awfully again. Who's to say Bonner does what he did if Duncan were in there? Fuck all that.

Exactly.




Bonner would have had 25 17 10 instead.

[ploto]

I love Jose but he actually did not have a strong game tonight. The difference was the big guys and their very high FG % and the good job they did defensively on Dirk. I think the Mavs have started to think they can coast and flip the switch.

For the Raptors, it is first and foremost about finally having Bosh back healthy for the first time all season and the nice showing these past 3 games with him back.

Just in time, too, as the Raptors next week head out on an awful 7 game West coast swing-- 3 sets of back-to-backs-- and a break in the middle for Christmas.

Tue 18 @ LA Clippers
Wed 19 @ Portland
Fri 21 @ Seattle
Sat 22 @ Phoenix
Fri 28 @ San Antonio
Sat 29 @ Houston
Mon 31 @ New Orleans

[Dalhoop]

Why does Avery continue to play smallball?

He wants offense from the center position. To do that he needs to bring in Bass.


I can't believe Devin Harris is worth 20 points against Toronto. He's a great defender but on offense is not terribly good. The breakdown in the offense is not because of his absence.

13 ppg and 5 apg, mathmatically thats about 23 points. If you watch the Mavs with Harris on the floor as opposed to when Terry is at the point it's like watching two different teams. With Terry the offense is very stagnate, with harris its drive and kick to the open man.

Terry drives but only so he can stop and do a step back jumper, Harris drives for a layup and your there kicks the ball out .... Two different team.


If it's a package centered around Devin, I'm all about that.

Devin and a filler, but not a whole lot more.

[SAtown]

lolz :elephant

sincerely,

Amarelooms

[RonMexico]

Watching the Mavs play makes me feel better about the Suns dropping 2 against Minny and the Heat.

[Mr. Body]

Devin and a filler, but not a whole lot more.

For Kidd? You seriously think Devin Harris is that good, don't you?

[Findog]

FWIW, I think the problem is the Mavs have swung the pendulum too far away from last year in the name of experimentation, and eventually Avery will realize that.

Actually I think they're fatally flawed, and their best chance to win a title with this group has come and gone.

If I'm the Mavs, Dirk and Howard are untouchable and the rest of the team is expendable. I'd give away spares like George or Hassell, whereas I'd try to get something for Harris or Terry.

I read somewhere that Harris can't be included easily in a deal for Kidd. I'm guessing his extension doesn't kick in until next year and they can't make it work, salary-cap wise? NJ would get a young PG to try out, they'd be free of the rest of their financial commitment to Kidd, since they're going nowhere, while the Mavs would get the PG they desperately need, someone who can create for others, is battle-tested when it comes to the playoffs, doesn't need to be kept on a leash by Avery, and isn't a total matador on d. Unless they can get a third team involved, I don't see how they could end up with Kidd.

As I see it, Dirk/Howard make up a very good forward tandem, but the guards and bigs on this team are flawed and not a good fit. Dampier and Diop give us rebounds, blocks, and defend the Duncans and Dwight Howards of the League as well as anybody. They don't bring any low-post scoring, unfortunately, so we play 4 on 5 on offense and a lack of consistent points from the low blocks means on bad nights this team locks into settling for jumpers.

Our guards are either a tweener (Jet) or a guy who can slash to the hoop and is a decent perimeter defender, but he has no outside shot, he can't break down a defense or create for others. Stackhouse, Hassell, Eddie Jones, Devean George, all old guys in a league that prizes athleticism.

Good meat (Dirk/Howard) but lousy bread (Centers and guards). That makes for a lousy sandwich. Dampier and Diop, one of them has to go to make room for a center that can score points on the low blocks. They just duplicate each other's strengths and don't shore up the other's weaknesses. Diop is a RFA this summer and I bet somebody will make him a ridiculous offer that Dallas can't in good conscience match. I'd prefer to let Dampier go because he's older, suckier and steals more money, but they might have to go with him since they can't move that contract.

Jet would make a fantastic Vinnie Johnson-type off the bench but you don't want him running your offense. I absolutely DO NOT give up Josh Howard if that's what New Jersey asks for. They can have Devin Harris and a bad contract, I wouldn't do anything else.

[Findog]

For Kidd? You seriously think Devin Harris is that good, don't you?

Trades aren't about exchanging equal talent. New Jersey is going nowhere, Kidd makes a lot of money and wants a better situation, Dallas fulfills that. New Jersey gets rid of the $$$$$ they are obligated to pay him, and they get a young PG in return. Harris is probably middle of the pack when it comes to PGs in this league, but he's only 25. It's too soon to say he's peaked.

[jman3000]

i loves me a good sandwich analogy.

[Findog]

i loves me a good sandwich analogy.

Is it wrong? Is there a better forward tandem that Dirk and Howard? It's late and I'm tired, so maybe there is....but honestly look at our bigs and guards. Almost to a man they are one-dimensional players, be it offense (Jet) or defense (Damp, Diop,), or they bring nothing at all (Hassell, George, Stack).

[Findog]

And really, since they're so busy "experimenting," why don't they try this bitch?

C: Dampier against 1/2-court teams, Diop against up-tempo teams
PF: Dirk
SF: Bass
SG: Howard
PG: Harris

6th man: Jet
Damp/Diop for 7th man, and then one of our spares (George, Stack, Hassell, Jones) to round out our rotation.

Bass has the quickness to guard swingmen out on the perimeter, he can set up on the low blocks on offense and let Dirk roam the perimeter. Dirk should always be on the floor with a center, it's been made abundantly clear how bad our defense is when he plays the five and Bass plays the four.

[DOMINATOR]

Is it wrong? Is there a better forward tandem that Dirk and Howard? It's late and I'm tired, so maybe there is....but honestly look at our bigs and guards. Almost to a man they are one-dimensional players, be it offense (Jet) or defense (Damp, Diop,), or they bring nothing at all (Hassell, George, Stack).
KG and Pierce is a better tandem.

[Findog]

KG and Pierce is a better tandem.

Yeah, and if the Suns ever got a center, Amare and Marion would be too. As I said, it's late...

[jman3000]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

i was just saying i liked your sandwich analogy.

jesus christ mav fan is edgy.

[jman3000]

ahhh... im assuming he meant bitch as in the "bitch" was the lineup... i thought he was talking to me.

[Findog]

bitch indeed refers to the lineup I proposed. I just plowed through all four seasons of the Wire in anticipation of the new season. I'm sure it's having some effect on my vocabulary.

[Findog]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

i was just saying i liked your sandwich analogy.

jesus christ mav fan is edgy.

Hmm, Isiah Thomas, Dale Ellis, Sam Perkins, Roy Tarpley, 11 wins, Quinn Buckner, Jason Kidd, Shawn Bradley and Robert Pack, Dirk's knee in the 03 Conference Finals, Miami, Golden State....ah, the tragic majesty that is the Dallas Mavericks. Murphy's Law is always in effect with this team.

[Udrihlooms]

Dallas's biggest problem is their coach, not Dirk or any of their players. Their coach is so much in love with Stackhouse. Their coach is also a fickle, who changes his mind every game, makes extreme adjustments, but cannot make any precise game adjustment to save his life.

I love Pop!

[Findog]

Avery prizes veterans over rookies and 2nd-year players, Brandon Bass the exception. Stackhouse hasn't contributed AT ALL this year. This team has made some dumb fucking moves the last two years to screw this thing up. Not that Marquis Daniels is the Second Coming by any means, but would you rather have him at $5 million a year or Stack at $8 million a year? Why was he in Avery's doghouse? Because he liked to toke it up? I can't deny I've ever seen him when he didn't look blitzed, but he's a decent defender and he can make a shot now and then. Would our two-guard position be in crisis if we still had Marquis? I can't remember if we traded him for Cro or Anthony Johnson and I don't feel like googling it, but that was a huge mistake.

[Udrihlooms]

AJ needs to be really balding, and a cratered face to be like Pop. :D

Try hard as he may, I think he's fast losing this team, which will be a waste. I'd prefer Dallas over Phoenix any day of the week to compete against the Spurs.

[Findog]

AJ needs to be really balding, and a cratered face to be like Pop. Try hard as he may, I think he's fast losing this team, which will be a waste.

Well, as I see it, Dirk is 29, Josh is 26. They have a window of three years left to get it done. Everyone else on this roster is expendable. I like Bass and his upside and future, but outside of Terry and Harris, he's the only guy other teams would want. Although Terry and Harris might be a bit more difficult because of their contracts.

Diop will get a ridiculous offer from somebody this summer, and Dallas won't match because they're already paying Dampier and Stack $18 million combined per year for the next three years. So he's gone. Really, if I'm the Mavs brass, you've got to realize that this team isn't going to win a title, so rather than completely 'blow it up,' identify your untouchables as Dirk and Howard and work from there.

Avery is going to be a good coach in this league, but he's out of his depth coaching a contender expected to win. He's a great motivator, and he begin his tenure by making his guys play defense, but he doesn't make in-game adjustments very well and he can't settle on a rotation. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. This team with Avery as its coach and the supporting cast surrounding Dirk and Josh will probably make the playoffs, but I have serious doubts about their ability to get out of the first round. It's time to make a move while the window is still open for Dirk and Josh. It's unfair to them and us fans to continue to roll with the current framework.

[Udrihlooms]

Avery is going to be a good coach in this league, but he's out of his depth coaching a contender expected to win. He's a great motivator, and he begin his tenure by making his guys play defense, but he doesn't make in-game adjustments very well and he can't settle on a rotation. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. This team with Avery as its coach and the supporting cast surrounding Dirk and Josh will probably make the playoffs, but I have serious doubts about their ability to get out of the first round. It's time to make a move while the window is still open for Dirk and Josh. It's unfair to them and us fans to continue to roll with the current framework.

A fair, nice take on the subject. If you can pull Kidd, (maybe it will take Harris + anyone except Dirk and Howard), then maybe you can mortgage your future for the present a la Miami.

Also, has anybody ever noticed that you're picking some jinxes on your team? Juwan Howard has never been lucky, and so is Eddie Jones. Godd luck though, I don't think our teams will be seeing each other this year or next year or the one after that.

[Findog]

A fair, nice take on the subject. If you can pull Kidd, (maybe it will take Harris + anyone except Dirk and Howard), then maybe you can mortgage your future for the present a la Miami.

New Jersey would almost certainly ask for Howard, and that would completely defeat the purpose. And yes, Miami is awful now, but so what? They have a title. I would gladly trade 5-6 years of sucking and salary cap hell for a title. A trio of Dirk, Josh and Kidd would be nice and give us a fighting shot.

[Udrihlooms]

New Jersey would almost certainly ask for Howard, and that would completely defeat the purpose. And yes, Miami is awful now, but so what? They have a title. I would gladly trade 5-6 years of sucking and salary cap hell for a title. A trio of Dirk, Josh and Kidd would be nice and give us a fighting shot.

as a fan, you will do that, but as a businessman, will your Cuban do that?

[Udrihlooms]

Dirk is probably unstoppable one-on-one, but Nellie has proven that a double team, and a little cheating on defense when Dirk has the ball, equals castrated Dallas offense. When Dirk doesn't have the ball, a little zone makes your team a jump shooting pussy team. More than 20 games after that golden dwarves debacle and AJ hasn't made any adjustments yet on Nellie's idea?

[Findog]

as a fan, you will do that, but as a businessman, will your Cuban do taht?

I think Cuban's problem is his personal loyalty to people that do right by him. Look at the press conference when Dirk got the MVP. Cuban broke down talking about him -- how Dirk has to be locked out of the gym, since he's a first to arrive, last to leave type, how he doesn't shy away from taking responsibility when things go wrong, makes sure to give credit to his teammates and coaches when they do well. Cuban will never trade Dirk. I don't know if Dirk for Kobe was ever on the table, but if it was, it makes sense from a basketball perspective to do that deal. Dirk is great, but Kobe is close to immortal.

And Avery personally has Cuban's ear. It's a shame for us, really. I think Avery is going to be a very good coach in this league. You can't tell me that Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich, Larry Brown, Pat Riley and Don Nelson were always this good. They took their lumps and learned what works and what doesn't. Avery is going to go through that process, but not in a timely enough manner for our current title window. I don't think he's a bad coach at all, but I don't think he's right for this team right now. He'd be better on a team like Atlanta that has good young players but maybe don't have great winning habits.

I think a team can absolutely win a title with Dirk as its best player, it damn near happened two years ago. But this team with Dirk as its best player isn't going to win anything more than one playoff series at best.

[Findog]

Dirk is probably unstoppable one-on-one, but Nellie has proven that a double team, and a little cheating on defense when Dirk has the ball, equals castrated Dallas offense. When Dirk doesn't have the ball, a little zone makes your team a jump shooting pussy team. More than 20 games after that golden dwarves debacle and AJ hasn't made any adjustments yet on Nellie's idea?

What would really help is a low-post scoring threat or a PG that can create easy shot opportunities for others. Bass and Dirk together doesn't work out well defensively, and this team relies too much on iso play. I think part of the early-season experimenting is focusing on building up Josh as a dual threat -- it would help if we had another guy teams had to double in order to make life easier for Dirk. I really think that's our only hope for a deep playoff run this year, if Josh can become the kind of guy that teams have to double as well. Then it becomes a matter of picking your poison.

[Udrihlooms]

And Avery personally has Cuban's ear. It's a shame for us, really. I think Avery is going to be a very good coach in this league. You can't tell me that Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich, Larry Brown, Pat Riley and Don Nelson were always this good. They took their lumps and learned what works and what doesn't. Avery is going to go through that process, but not in a timely enough manner for our current title window. I don't think he's a bad coach at all, but I don't think he's right for this team right now. He'd be better on a team like Atlanta that has good young players but maybe don't have great winning habits.



So when do you guys plan to start chanting "Fire AJ!"? Can you do it when we visit your arena? :D

[Findog]

So when do you guys plan to start chanting "Fire AJ!"? Can you do it when we visit your arena? :D

It's already happening:

http://dallasbasketballdotcom.yuku.com/forums/63/t/Mavs-and-NBA-Talk.html

[Udrihlooms]

It's already happening:

http://dallasbasketballdotcom.yuku.com/forums/63/t/Mavs-and-NBA-Talk.html

i'm too lazy to check out that thread... look at the brighter side dude, at least you're not a knicks fan... :D

trade AJ for Isaiah and put them in a retro jersey and make them play, that'll be one hell of a TV rating!

[Findog]

i'm too lazy to check out that thread... look at the brighter side dude, at least you're not a knicks fan... :D

trade AJ for Isaiah and put them in a retro jersey and make them play, that'll be one hell of a TV rating!

Yeah, but it's hard. This team came soooo close, and has built up expectations that it doesn't seem likely to fulfill. I enjoy following and rooting for this team much less than when Nash, Finley and Dirk first emerged. Back then, the Lakers and the Spurs were the class of the conference and we had no shot at beating either, plus we were good again for the first time since the Aguirre/Blackman days. It was simply satisfying enough to root for a winner.

[Udrihlooms]

Yeah, but it's hard. This team came soooo close, and has built up expectations that it doesn't seem likely to fulfill. I enjoy following and rooting for this team much less than when Nash, Finley and Dirk first emerged. Back then, the Lakers and the Spurs were the class of the conference and we had no shot at beating either, plus we were good again for the first time since the Aguirre/Blackman days. It was simply satisfying enough to root for a winner.

that's ok, i'm hoping your team will get their bearing, and we'll be able to kick your butts until you cry back to your mamas when (and if) we meet in the conference finals!

[angel_luv]

I am so mad this game was blacked out.

My Raps! Whoosh! :fro

[Cry Havoc]

I know Philly is in rebuild mode. How about Terry OR Harris for Andre Miller? He's one of the most underrated PGs in the game and is a true distributor. Also, if T.J. Ford comes back from injury, Jose Calderon is a very solid PG and would probably fit in the Mavs' system.

The problem for the Mavs is that the league currently has a very large shortage of bigs who have a dynamic offensive attack AND play good defense consistently. That's yet another reason why Duncan is simply invaluable to the Spurs. I mean, how many bigs out there can really score and play good defense? I'm not even sure Boozer or Howard could be considered upper echelon defenders yet. And you simply cannot afford to make a deep playoff run without post defense. Honestly, the only big that they might have a realistic chance at without giving up Dirk or Howard is Samuel Delambert. He's a solid, underrated 5 and plays pretty good defense.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Calderon is very underratted.
yeah he has a 5:1 ast to TO ratio

[Findog]

I know Philly is in rebuild mode. How about Terry OR Harris for Andre Miller? He's one of the most underrated PGs in the game and is a true distributor. Also, if T.J. Ford comes back from injury, Jose Calderon is a very solid PG and would probably fit in the Mavs' system.

I'd do Harris + contracts for Miller + contracts in a heartbeat.

[Cry Havoc]

I'd do Harris + contracts for Miller + contracts in a heartbeat.

Isn't Philly looking to move him?

[Findog]

Isn't Philly looking to move him?

If they are, Dallas should be talking to them.

[Humble Billy Hayes]

If they are, Dallas should be talking to them.
meh. is he really that great? i'd rather just roll with harris if andre miller is the best we can do.

Jason Kidd is the answer.

[Findog]

meh. is he really that great? i'd rather just roll with harris if andre miller is the best we can do.

Jason Kidd is the answer.

I think Andre Miller is underrated and I definitely think he's better than Devin. Although, I agree, Kidd is out there and supposedly available, so the Mavs should be talking to them about anybody except Dirk/Howard.

[Cry Havoc]

meh. is he really that great? i'd rather just roll with harris if andre miller is the best we can do.

Jason Kidd is the answer.

What are you talking about?

Andre Miller is arguably better than Devin in every core aspect of a point guard.

He is one of the best pass-first PGs in the game.

You guys presently have NO true distributors in your lineup.

[Udrihlooms]

I agree, if you can't get Kidd, Andre for Harris will be better than what you have.

Harris may be POTENTIALLY a great player or a REAL BUST, but right now, he's not much worth anything. He's very inconsistent and is far from being solid.

Miller is a decent PG, not great, but solidly good veteran PG.

In two or three more years, Dirk will be on a decline; 2-3 years is what it probably will take to realize Harris' full potential, by then, Dirk will just be a shadow of his MVP self. By then, Dallas will then be another mediocre team, rebuilding. You will have wasted Dirk's talent if you wait that long.

On a side note, in two or three years, as Timmy declines, we'll also be a mediocre team, and we'll probably be competing for the 8th seed. :D Or if you want someone to develop in 2-3 years alongside Harris:

Bonner for Dirk? Anyone? :D

[703 Spurz]

When the Mavs lose to the Raptors in December, it's time to panic and the Mavs blow.
When the Spurs lose to the Warriors in December, it's just a regular season game and guys played poorly.

Yes b/c Dallas has never done shit in the postseason.

Fuck them