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boutons
12-29-2004, 07:16 AM
http://www.nba.com/media/suns/marion_254_041228.jpg

Rummpd
12-29-2004, 07:20 AM
This team has been running up the score with no class on everyone. Pop should have left the starters in and kept it the 35 point blowout it truly was but too classy.

Next game Suns will be inspired but Spurs will win again comfortably.

MadDoc

boutons
12-29-2004, 07:55 AM
... and on March 9.

We play PHX only 3 times this year, and the next 2 times are @PHX.

Jimcs50
12-29-2004, 09:08 AM
This team has been running up the score with no class on everyone. Pop should have left the starters in and kept it the 35 point blowout it truly was but too classy.

Next game Suns will be inspired but Spurs will win again comfortably.

MadDoc


They have not left starters in in their blowouts. Their bench can score too...just like last night.

ducks
12-29-2004, 10:07 AM
I will be at the game

T Park
12-29-2004, 10:33 AM
Their bench can score too...just like last night.

Really??

Funny, your the only one who thinks there bench is worth a crap.

Who is any good off there bench?

Casey Jacobsen?
Stephen Hunter?
Barbosa?


please.

Theres a reason that the Suns starting 5 averages 5 minutes per game per starting player more than the spurs starting 5 players.


ZERO BENCH.


Pecking order IMO

Spurs
Heat
Sonics
Suns
Wolves

Jimcs50
12-29-2004, 10:49 AM
Really??

Funny, your the only one who thinks there bench is worth a crap.

Who is any good off there bench?

Casey Jacobsen?
Stephen Hunter?
Barbosa?


please.

Theres a reason that the Suns starting 5 averages 5 minutes per game per starting player more than the spurs starting 5 players.


ZERO BENCH.


Pecking order IMO

Spurs
Heat
Sonics
Suns
Wolves

TPark, Phoenix' bench scores 27 pts/ game. Spurs' bench scores 29 pts/game.

What is your point. I said that Phoenix does not leave in their strters to run up the score and they don't. Phoenix' bench scored a lot last night against the Spurs when the starters were pulled, that was my point.

BTW, please learn proper grammar. The word you needed to use is you're. :rolleyes

Sec24Row7
12-29-2004, 11:24 AM
That's a misleading stat.

PHX's bench scores 27 ppg and San Antonio's scores 29.

Thats fine.

The starters for Phoenix score 82 ppg and SA's starters score 67.


PHX's starters account for 75.2% of their scoring.

SA's starters only account for 69.8%.

Sportcamper
12-29-2004, 11:26 AM
Dr. Jim- U’r missing the point...Danny Ainge has a history of running up the score...He is not exactly one of the classiest head coaches in the NBA...

Sec24Row7
12-29-2004, 11:27 AM
Danny Ainge?

Head Coach?

huh?

Sportcamper
12-29-2004, 11:51 AM
http://www.dailycelebrations.com/gildaradner.jpg
Never mind... :lol

SpursWoman
12-29-2004, 02:12 PM
#32 was in the game late in fourth for the Suns.

Useruser666

ShoogarBear
12-29-2004, 03:45 PM
Yeah, and Cotton Fitzsimmons and Connie Hawkins used to run up the score, too.

gregcoy
12-29-2004, 04:25 PM
TPark, Phoenix' bench scores 27 pts/ game. Spurs' bench scores 29 pts/game.

What is your point. I said that Phoenix does not leave in their strters to run up the score and they don't. Phoenix' bench scored a lot last night against the Spurs when the starters were pulled, that was my point.

BTW, please learn proper grammar. The word you needed to use is you're. :rolleyes

funny i heard last night on fastbreak that phoenix has the least deep bench in the league....and that their starters play the highest amount of minutes over any other team.

boutons
12-29-2004, 04:55 PM
"i heard last night "

No need to "hear", just go to nba.com and add up the total of the Suns starters' MPG (186) out of 240 MPG available, and compare with Spurs (153), etc.

Suns starters avg 37.2 MPG, vs Spurs starters 30.6 MPG.

I don't care how many pts the bench scores, if they aren't on the floor, they can't contribute. "It's all about minutes", esp from POV of resting the starters, and of the ability/effectiveness of the bench to fill in for an injured starter.

Jimcs50
12-29-2004, 06:07 PM
"i heard last night "

No need to "hear", just go to nba.com and add up the total of the Suns starters' MPG (186) out of 240 MPG available, and compare with Spurs (153), etc.

Suns starters avg 37.2 MPG, vs Spurs starters 30.6 MPG.

I don't care how many pts the bench scores, if they aren't on the floor, they can't contribute. "It's all about minutes", esp from POV of resting the starters, and of the ability/effectiveness of the bench to fill in for an injured starter.


The point was, they score points, almost as much as SA's bench, and it looks like they do it in a lot less time than SA's bench, so therefore, Phoenix' bench> Spurs' bench at scoring per minute, yes?


:rolleyes

Matrix
12-29-2004, 06:15 PM
Can't wait, i'll be at the game too.

boutons
12-29-2004, 07:06 PM
" Phoenix' bench> Spurs' bench at scoring per minute, yes?"

Since when is "bench depth" or qualtiy have anything to do ONLY with scoring? How about balancing scoring vs points allowed, "+/-", and then how about avg "efficiency rating" for bench positions 5-8? In any case, if they ain't on the floor, they don't count toward bench strength, or towards anything. No minutes, no nothing.

Kori Ellis
12-29-2004, 07:09 PM
The difference between the Spurs bench and the Suns bench isn't about points or points per minute. It is just that the Suns bench plays in garbage time -- when the Suns are way up (or like last night, way down). So their stats are inflated garbage time points. The Spurs bench plays in critical times of the game and are regular contributors to victories.

So what's going to be more valuable come playoff time? A group of guys who are regular contributors with experience in quality time or a group of guys with nothing but stat-padding experience against scrubs?

missmyzte
12-29-2004, 09:21 PM
I will be at the game

Can't wait, i'll be at the game too.

Really? So will I! I'm making my annual trip out to Phoenix to see the game.

Jimcs50
12-29-2004, 09:37 PM
" Phoenix' bench> Spurs' bench at scoring per minute, yes?"

Since when is "bench depth" or qualtiy have anything to do ONLY with scoring? How about balancing scoring vs points allowed, "+/-", and then how about avg "efficiency rating" for bench positions 5-8? In any case, if they ain't on the floor, they don't count toward bench strength, or towards anything. No minutes, no nothing.


What in the fuck is wrong with you morons??? Did I say that their bench was better??? My whole point to numbnuts TPark is that Phoenix does not run the score up, that their bench is perfectly capable of scoring points and keeping a blowout, a blowout...that the coach is not leaving his starters in the game just to run up the score...that his bench can and does score points to keep the score going up. Do you total idiots get that?????????? :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

Jimcs50
12-29-2004, 09:40 PM
Case in point...Phoenix blows out Utah, going into 4th Q ...look at the starters mins:

PHOENIX SUNS
STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Quentin Richardson, GF 34 1-8 1-7 0-0 1 7 8 1 0 0 2 0 3
Shawn Marion, F 33 7-17 1-3 1-2 5 8 13 1 2 2 0 2 16
Amare Stoudemire, FC 29 5-7 0-0 9-10 0 4 4 1 0 1 0 4 19
Steve Nash, PG 28 3-7 0-3 7-8 0 1 1 11 1 0 2 0 13
Joe Johnson, GF 36 12-17 5-5 1-3 1 5 6 1 1 0 0 0 30


Portland game, game is blowout going into 4th Q


Look at mins:

PHOENIX SUNS
STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Quentin Richardson, GF 33 12-19 8-12 5-5 1 3 4 2 1 1 1 1 37
Shawn Marion, F 31 6-15 2-3 2-2 3 9 12 2 4 3 1 1 16
Amare Stoudemire, FC 39 6-15 0-0 7-11 5 4 9 3 0 2 2 2 19
Joe Johnson, GF 32 6-11 3-4 0-0 1 1 2 5 0 0 2 2 15
Steve Nash, PG 29 4-7 0-1 2-2 0 3 3 11 0 0 2 1 10

LakerGod
12-30-2004, 05:05 PM
Phoenix will win the next 2 games vs. the spursies @ Phoenix whether you like it or not, The are not going to have another off night, that's for sure.

25-4 not too bad for the Sunnies.

SirChaz
01-11-2005, 01:04 PM
http://www.nba.com/media/suns/marion_254_041228.jpg



Yea, you will.


Looking forward to it.

samikeyp
01-11-2005, 10:00 PM
LakerGod=Wolves009

Phenomanul
01-11-2005, 10:25 PM
So much for the so-called top candidate for the Defensive Player of the Year Award :rolleyes


Ummm... the putback was over Horry not Duncan...
Duncan had boxed out his player...

Dre_7
01-11-2005, 11:28 PM
If You Spursies can't beat Mehmet and Co. , how do you expect to beat PHX in their home floor. TD got stuffed by Bochardt how much more for the explosive Amare? It'll be a dunkfest and TD's grill will be heavily dented!!!

So much for the so-called top candidate for the Defensive Player of the Year Award :rolleyes

I am a Forty Niner fan (and I live in wisconsin!!), so I know how you feel. Having to live vicariously (sp???????) through other teams cuz your team is awful. I was so glad when Green Bay lost on Sunday. So i know what you're going through. Its not easy to be a fan of a team that is losing the way Min is. Hang in there buddy, It'll be okay. Not every team can be 27-8. Just remember, there is always next year.

Sense
01-12-2005, 01:26 AM
TPark, Phoenix' bench scores 27 pts/ game. Spurs' bench scores 29 pts/game.

What is your point. I said that Phoenix does not leave in their strters to run up the score and they don't. Phoenix' bench scored a lot last night against the Spurs when the starters were pulled, that was my point.

BTW, please learn proper grammar. The word you needed to use is you're. :rolleyes


Btw...if the suns' bench scores even close to the spurs' bench is because they average about 12 more points than the spurs do....plus the spurs ACTUALLY PLAY DEFENSE.


Thx.

IceColdBrewski
01-12-2005, 08:40 AM
This game is gonna get ugly for the Spurs. I'm expecting a Phoenix blowout. I honestly believe that we're going to look back on this as the biggest ass-kicking of this season. I hope I'm wrong but that's the way I see it.

Rummpd
01-12-2005, 11:41 AM
Wolf Fan and LA Fan:

Spurs simply played down to bad competetion - hey who knows they could even lose to the horrible, dysfunctional Wolves again someday or weakened (but beat the hell out of Woves) LA team! Earth to mars, road losses happen in the NBA.

Spurs will at least split on road with Suns - period.

MadDoc