Don't let Vince into the playoffs

[inconvertible]

because all hell will break loose.

[Fillmoe]

no it wont.... hes garbage

[O-Factor]

no it wont.... hes garbage


No garbage would be Alex Smith....

http://49ersnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/asmith3.jpg

[Fillmoe]

I agree... they are both garbage

[2centsworth]

vince was real good today. let's see if he can pull it off.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

I don't think they have a shot... i heard if Cleveland wins next weekend they lock up a playoff birth, so I think they own the tiebreaker?? (correct me if i'm wrong)

They play Cincy next week and San Fran the week after that

Tennessee still has the Colts on their plate.

While the Jaguars have 2 creampuff games with Raiders and Texans

[ATRAIN]

because all hell will break loose.

If Vince lucks out (like he did last year in making the pro bowl as a FORTH option), he will get raped in the first round. It won't be because his team "sucks", its because he is over-rated and will be nothing more than a great college player and a sucky pro player. Fuck all the Vince homers!!

[monosylab1k]

If Vince lucks out (like he did last year in making the pro bowl as a FORTH option), he will get raped in the first round. It won't be because his team "sucks", its because he is over-rated and will be nothing more than a great college player and a sucky pro player. Fuck all the Vince homers!!
that Matt Schaub is somethin else. Oh wait, Sage Rosenfels > Matt Schaub. Nevermind, Schaub sucks dick.

[ATRAIN]

that Matt Schaub is somethin else. Oh wait, Sage Rosenfels > Matt Schaub. Nevermind, Schaub sucks dick.


That may be true but he is a step up from Carr. Plus Rosenfels is 4-0 as a starter. So if the Browns kick ass next year are you going to be a browns fan?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

He played pretty well yesterday.

That's his problem; consistency.

One of the AFC scouts said it best: "At some point, you have to make throws from the pocket in the passing game. He'll have some good games, but week in and week out, every week is chaos to him.

"If your biggest threat is pulling it down and running, maybe there's a reason."

[ATRAIN]

He played pretty well yesterday.

That's his problem; consistency.

One of the AFC scouts said it best: "At some point, you have to make throws from the pocket in the passing game. He'll have some good games, but week in and week out, every week is chaos to him.

"If your biggest threat is pulling it down and running, maybe there's a reason."


Some Vince homers say its because he doesn't have talent around him, which I think is just an excuse. As you said he is not consistent. You can't have that as your team leader.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

He's still young, but if he doesn't improve by this time next year, he probably never will.

And the scouts compared his throwing motion to that of Carr and Harrington.

Ouch.

[monosylab1k]

Some Vince homers say its because he doesn't have talent around him, which I think is just an excuse. As you said he is not consistent. You can't have that as your team leader.
and yet somehow Vince's team is fighting for a playoff spot in the AFC. All Texans fans are doing is celebrating useless sacks by Mario Williams.

[ATRAIN]

He played pretty well yesterday.

That's his problem; consistency.

One of the AFC scouts said it best: "At some point, you have to make throws from the pocket in the passing game. He'll have some good games, but week in and week out, every week is chaos to him.

"If your biggest threat is pulling it down and running, maybe there's a reason."


Yeah he had a good game last week, but his number have been poor all season. Last week was the first time he had a QB rating above 100 for the season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7752/gamelog;_ylt=AqY.DO1TZv88YS4TJl18Own.uLYF

[ATRAIN]

and yet somehow Vince's team is fighting for a playoff spot in the AFC. All Texans fans are doing is celebrating useless sacks by Mario Williams.


They won't make it so this thread is pointless. Guess your a Vince bandwagon fan now. You know your credibility got shut down the moment they called you out on being a bandwagon fan in the cowboys thread.

[midgetonadonkey]

and yet somehow Vince's team is fighting for a playoff spot in the AFC. All Texans fans are doing is celebrating useless sacks by Mario Williams.

Texan fans aren't necessarily celebrating Mario's "useless" sacks, we are celebrating the big strides our team is taking. That's what fans do when they support a team that has sucked for years and is finally turning it around. If you were a real Pats fan, which everyone knows you aren't, you would've experienced the same thing in the late 90's, but you don't since you are a pussy bandwagon fan.

[ATRAIN]

He's still young, but if he doesn't improve by this time next year, he probably never will.

And the scouts compared his throwing motion to that of Carr and Harrington.

Ouch.


LOL wow if he gets thrown into the category of those guys, you know that has to be pretty bad. Still young, yeah he is but in the case of Carr and Harrington, they haven't improved and were sought out to be future stars. I said this day one, (and not because the Texans passed on him, I was happy about that) Vince will be one of the best college players that we have ever seen, however he won't be a great NFL QB. A mobile QB has proven that they cannot get the job done.......ex Moon, Culpepper, Mcnabb, Vick. Sooner or later you have to throw the ball and be a pocket QB. Yes running is a bonus and should be a last resort. Bottom line, VY isn't accurate and probably never will be.

[midgetonadonkey]

LOL wow if he gets thrown into the category of those guys, you know that has to be pretty bad. Still young, yeah he is but in the case of Carr and Harrington, they haven't improved and were sought out to be future stars. I said this day one, (and not because the Texans passed on him, I was happy about that) Vince will be one of the best college players that we have ever seen, however he won't be a great NFL QB. A mobile QB has proven that they cannpt get the job done.......ex Moon, Culpepper, Mcnabb, Vick. Sooner or later you have to throw the ball and be a pocket QB. Yes running is a bonus and should be a last resort. Bottom line, VY isn't accurate and probably never will be.

Warren Moon wasn't a mobile QB.

[monosylab1k]

it's always the same. when in doubt, start some faggot bandwagoner talk. that cunt talk is so fucking old.

[ATRAIN]

Warren Moon wasn't a mobile QB.


He was for his day.

[midgetonadonkey]

When in doubt of what?

[ATRAIN]

it's always the same. when in doubt, start some faggot bandwagoner talk. that cunt talk is so fucking old.


awww did you get your little pussy hurt!!

[monosylab1k]

He was for his day.
no he wasn't. learn some fucking football history.

[midgetonadonkey]

He was for his day.

Randall Cunningham was a mobile QB not Moon. Even Steve Young and John Elway were considered mobile QBs moreso than Moon.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I wouldn't put VY in the Carr/Harrington mold, but it just goes to show how much work he has to do on his mechanics.

If he does fix his footwork and/or throwing motion, he should easily be a top 5 QB IMO.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

He was for his day.


He was about as mobile as Peyton Manning.

[ATRAIN]

Randall Cunningham was a mobile QB not Moon. Even Steve Young and John Elway were considered mobile QBs moreso than Moon.


LOL you know I was thinking about him and said moon, I was thinking what the fuck are these guys taking about.....I admit that was my bad on that one. Mono stfu your a fucking idiot.

[monosylab1k]

When in doubt of what?
when in doubt of what to say since your team sucks and you have no other defense. just throw some faggot bandwagoner shit talk like a fucking cunt. it's pretty easy that's why every dipshit does it.

[monosylab1k]

LOL you know I was thinking about him and said moon
him who? steve young? john elway? you mistook one of them for warren moon?

[ATRAIN]

him who? steve young? john elway? you mistook one of them for warren moon?


Cunningham you dumb cunt. Everyone calls you a bandwagon fan because you ARE one and you cried when you got called out on it. Its nobody's fault but your own.

[monosylab1k]

Cunningham you dumb cunt.
oh cuz they're both black I get it. Black guys can run.

[Kermit]

Vince could be Ryan Leaf and still fuckstomp the Texans every time the Titans played them. He might be a bust, he might turn into one of the worst picks ever at the three spot, but Houston is still 0-4 against his team since he's been drafted (0-3 when Vince actually plays, I'm aware that Collins played in the first game this year). That being said, I love the fact that "some" Texans fans feel that they have to tear Vince down in order to make the Mario pick look good. Both are going to be good players. The Texans have to be happy with the way their team has played in the second half. Tearing down Vince makes you look bitter. Maybe your team will actually beat his in this decade. Until then, the Texans are his bitches.

-6gA4HoBlZA

[midgetonadonkey]

when in doubt of what to say since your team sucks and you have no other defense. just throw some faggot bandwagoner shit talk like a fucking cunt. it's pretty easy that's why every dipshit does it.

I've never had any doubts about what to say and everyone knows I'm the first to admit the Texans are a shitty team. But the fact that you bash other teams simply because you jumped on a bandwagon is a bitch move on your part. Even moreso than calling you out on your bandwagonning.

[ATRAIN]

oh cuz they're both black I get it. Black guys can run.


At that time there were only 3 African American Quaterbacks, Warren Moon (Houston Oilers), Rodney Peete (Detroit) and Randall Cunningham (Philadelphia Eagles). I get 2 of them mixed up in my head and you throw out a race card, classy very classy!!

[monosylab1k]

I've never had any doubts about what to say and everyone knows I'm the first to admit the Texans are a shitty team. But the fact that you bash other teams simply because you jumped on a bandwagon is a bitch move on your part. Even moreso than calling you out on your bandwagonning.
bravo this is great stuff. originality out the ass.

[monosylab1k]

At that time there were only 3 African American Quaterbacks, Warren Moon (Houston Oilers), Rodney Peete (Detroit) and Randall Cunningham (Philadelphia Eagles). I get 2 of them mixed up in my head and you throw out a race card, classy very classy!!
yeah cuz all black people look alike.

[ATRAIN]

Vince could be Ryan Leaf and still fuckstomp the Texans every time the Titans played them. He might be a bust, he might turn into one of the worst picks ever at the three spot, but Houston is still 0-4 against his team since he's been drafted (0-3 when Vince actually plays, I'm aware that Collins played in the first game this year). That being said, I love the fact that "some" Texans fans feel that they have to tear Vince down in order to make the Mario pick look good. Both are going to be good players. The Texans have to be happy with the way their team has played in the second half. Tearing down Vince makes you look bitter. Maybe your team will actually beat his in this decade. Until then, the Texans are his bitches.

-6gA4HoBlZA


Its funny how this thread turned into a Mario vs Vince and Titans vs Texans. I threw out my opinion on Vince and MONOBANDWAGONWHORE started stirring the pot because he is a dooche. I hadn't even mentioned Mario until now. Do I think the Texans made the right choice. Its hard to say, I for one didn't want Reggie and VY, so was Mario the next best player, maybe and he is proving he wasnt wasted pick this year. Yes we have yet to beat the Titans since VY was drafted. Do I think its because of Vince, no like you said Ryan Leaf could have lead that team to beat us. We have been horrible and yes this year we have made huge strides, but we are still far away.

[monosylab1k]

ATRAIN is still pissed about losing the Silver Boot.

[ATRAIN]

ATRAIN is still pissed about losing the Silver Boot.


HA are you fucking serious???? You want a sig bet for next year pussy?

[Kermit]

Its funny how this thread turned into a Mario vs Vince and Titans vs Texans. I threw out my opinion on Vince and MONOBANDWAGONWHORE started stirring the pot because he is a dooche. I hadn't even mentioned Mario until now. Do I think the Texans made the right choice. Its hard to say, I for one didn't want Reggie and VY, so was Mario the next best player, maybe and he is proving he wasnt wasted pick this year. Yes we have yet to beat the Titans since VY was drafted. Do I think its because of Vince, no like you said Ryan Leaf could have lead that team to beat us. We have been horrible and yes this year we have made huge strides, but we are still far away.

They're going to get there. The Texans have made significant strides and have impressed everyone (except for K-EYE in Austing who still refuses to show their games). You have to give Vince credit for those Houston wins, regardless of whether you believe he's a qualified NFL quaterback. The man has been outstanding (as compared to his other games) when he plays the Texans.

Passing stats v. Houston

47-75 553 yards 3 touchdowns 2 INT 87.3 passer rating

Not great, but serviceable.

The problem has been Houston's inability to stop his legs...

16 rushes for 174 yards at 10.9 yard/run avg with 2 touchdowns. Damn.

Kill his running ablility, which Houston should be able to do seeing as how it's developing one of the better defenses in the league, and you beat them.

[midgetonadonkey]

HA are you fucking serious???? You want a sig bet for next year pussy?

You sure you want to do that? You aren't very good at making bets. You are already going to owe peewee $100 for your bet at the beginning of the season and you lost to mel.

[ATRAIN]

You sure you want to do that? You aren't very good at making bets. You are already going to owe peewee $100 for your bet at the beginning of the season and you lost to mel.


Lost 2 bets to mel!! Im not a very good gambler, but I never seem to stop.

[monosylab1k]

HA are you fucking serious???? You want a sig bet for next year pussy?
oh yeah bring it. except i jumped to the Yankees bandwagon so now it's a Yankees vs. Astros bet.

[ATRAIN]

They're going to get there. The Texans have made significant strides and have impressed everyone (except for K-EYE in Austing who still refuses to show their games). You have to give Vince credit for those Houston wins, regardless of whether you believe he's a qualified NFL quaterback. The man has been outstanding (as compared to his other games) when he plays the Texans.

Passing stats v. Houston

47-75 553 yards 3 touchdowns 2 INT 87.3 passer rating

Not great, but serviceable.

The problem has been Houston's inability to stop his legs...

16 rushes for 174 yards at 10.9 yard/run avg with 2 touchdowns. Damn.

Kill his running ablility, which Houston should be able to do seeing as how it's developing one of the better defenses in the league, and you beat them.


Yeah I agree he has owned us, especially that first game. We had them beat and he ran it for the win. That hurt, but yeah if we continue to improve on our defense the way we are, we will be a contender in a few seasons.

[ATRAIN]

oh yeah bring it. except i jumped to the Yankees bandwagon so now it's a Yankees vs. Astros bet.


Figures!!

[monosylab1k]

seriously tho, i'll do a Silver Boot sig bet with u since i'm still a bandwagon Rangers fan. Asstrolls won't do shit this year since their team can't use the juice anymore!

[O-Factor]

If Vince lucks out (like he did last year in making the pro bowl as a FORTH option), he will get raped in the first round. It won't be because his team "sucks", its because he is over-rated and will be nothing more than a great college player and a sucky pro player. Fuck all the Vince homers!!


You are a fucking idiot. All this wish talk by you is annoying as fuck. You were not saying shit when he came out of college. Yeah you can say all this noise about how you always new Vince would suck, blah blah fucking blah. But bottom line is Vince will ass rape the Texans for the next decade and bring a championship or 2 to the titans.

[ATRAIN]

seriously tho, i'll do a Silver Boot sig bet with u since i'm still a bandwagon Rangers fan. Asstrolls won't do shit this year since their team can't use the juice anymore!


If you mean Tejada, yeah but Burkman and Lee did it the old fashioned Babe Ruth way, beer and hot dogs.

[ATRAIN]

You are a fucking idiot. All this wish talk by you is annoying as fuck. You were not saying shit when he came out of college. Yeah you can say all this noise about how you always new Vince would suck, blah blah fucking blah. But bottom line is Vince will ass rape the Texans for the next decade and bring a championship or 2 to the titans.


I have said it since it happened. I was worried as hell they would take Reggie and you know what I would rather have VY than Reggie. Its funny how you think you KNOW what I said. LOL a championship or 2 haha, I wouldn't bet on it.

[ATRAIN]

You are a fucking idiot. All this wish talk by you is annoying as fuck. You were not saying shit when he came out of college. Yeah you can say all this noise about how you always new Vince would suck, blah blah fucking blah. But bottom line is Vince will ass rape the Texans for the next decade and bring a championship or 2 to the titans.


You want a Vince homer, here is his number one fan and he would blow him if he had the chance!!

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If Vince lucks out (like he did last year in making the pro bowl as a FORTH option), he will get raped in the first round. It won't be because his team "sucks", its because he is over-rated and will be nothing more than a great college player and a sucky pro player. Fuck all the Vince homers!!
how can you be a houston fan, but hate VY?

[ATRAIN]

how can you be a houston fan, but hate VY?


You would be surprised how many fans hate him, especially in the Austin Area.......another story all together. Yes I love what VY did for UT, but bottom line, he plays for the enemy. He is no longer the Longhorn QB. People need to get the fuck over it and get his nuts out of their mouth.

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LOL wow if he gets thrown into the category of those guys, you know that has to be pretty bad. Still young, yeah he is but in the case of Carr and Harrington, they haven't improved and were sought out to be future stars. I said this day one, (and not because the Texans passed on him, I was happy about that) Vince will be one of the best college players that we have ever seen, however he won't be a great NFL QB. A mobile QB has proven that they cannot get the job done.......ex Moon, Culpepper, Mcnabb, Vick. Sooner or later you have to throw the ball and be a pocket QB. Yes running is a bonus and should be a last resort. Bottom line, VY isn't accurate and probably never will be.
Moon is a HOFer, and McNabb has a chance to be an HOF QB too. Don't forget Steve Young.

[ATRAIN]

Moon is a HOFer, and McNabb has a chance to be an HOF QB too. Don't forget Steve Young.

How many championships does Mcbitch, and Moon have? Why did you bring up Steve Young? I never mentioned him as a mobile Qb?

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You would be surprised how many fans hate him, especially in the Austin Area.......another story all together. Yes I love what VY did for UT, but bottom line, he plays for the enemy. He is no longer the Longhorn QB. People need to get the fuck over it and get his nuts out of their mouth.
Interesting. I was just curious.

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How many championships does Mcbitch, and Moon have? Why did you bring up Steve Young? I never mentioned him as a mobile Qb?
I'm just saying that those are 3 very good QB's. McNabb and Young were very mobile. Cunningham was a very good QB that was mobile as well. Sure, McNabb and Cunningham don't have rings, but it doesn't change that they are/were elite QBs. Being mobile, with less throwing ability than someone like Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer doesn't mean you can't be a great QB.

[TheZackAttack!]

You would be surprised how many fans hate him, especially in the Austin Area.......another story all together. Yes I love what VY did for UT, but bottom line, he plays for the enemy. He is no longer the Longhorn QB. People need to get the fuck over it and get his nuts out of their mouth.

WOW, you are really stupid. Austin is Cowboys country and the loyalty for Vince runs deep there. There is what, like 100 Texan fans in Austin??? Why don't you quit acting like you know what you are talking about. How many times have you had to be corrected in this thread now. Just get you ass back to the Club and the Quattro and leave the sports talk to the men okay?

[ATRAIN]

Interesting. I was just curious.

I know it raises a lot of up-roar talking about Vince. There are a lot of people that love him especially in Austin. Yes a lot of Houston fans wanted him in Houston and that first victory he had against us showed it all. The fans went crazy. I for one didnt "hate" him when he was first drafted but I for one am now SICK of the way people continue to suck his dick when he hasn't done shit. Yeah he made the pro bowl last year, but was a 4th alternate. To me that is NOT making it, but that is just me. Its funny to see the Vince Homer get his panties in a bunch defending his "man".

[ATRAIN]

WOW, you are really stupid. Austin is Cowboys country and the loyalty for Vince runs deep there. There is what, like 100 Texan fans in Austin??? Why don't you quit acting like you know what you are talking about. How many times have you had to be corrected in this thread now. Just get you ass back to the Club and the Quattro and leave the sports talk to the men okay?


Now your bringing up the cowboys vs Texans?? Way to stay on topic. The state of Texas is Cowboys country, I don't deny it. First off let me ask you a question, do you live in Austin? I have been to the Austin chapter of the Texans fan club and there are way more than 100. A lot of them are longhorns and love what vince DID. Bottom line is they root for the Texans and see Vince as the enemy now. You don't see this town ga ga over the Bucs since Sims plays there. You don't see them all Chargers fans since Jammer is there. It gets tiring hearing about Vince and the Titans. Been corrected, if im not mistaken this whole thread is opinionated so no one is right or wrong. If you hide the name and look at the stats, vince is anything but INVINCEBLE is all I am saying.

[ATRAIN]

Just get you ass back to the Club and the Quattro and leave the sports talk to the men okay?


LOL you just gave yourself away!! Nice troll Vince Homer!!

[BeerIsGood!]

Back to the original topic of the thread...

I doubt the Titans make the playoffs this year, but if they do they could be a scary team with their defensive ability. If Vince has one of his "on" days in the playoffs it could be very bad for someone. I wonder what Fisher thinks about Vince's progress and potential to progress farther in the future? He definitely needs consistency, and that starts with limiting the turnovers. He needs to work on throwing within the frame of the offense and not into tight, double, or triple coverage, but if he gets that down he could be very good. I'd give him another season and really stress taking the throws that the defense is giving.

[TheZackAttack!]

Now your bringing up the cowboys vs Texans?? Way to stay on topic. The state of Texas is Cowboys country, I don't deny it. First off let me ask you a question, do you live in Austin? I have been to the Austin chapter of the Texans fan club and there are way more than 100. A lot of them are longhorns and love what vince DID. Bottom line is they root for the Texans and see Vince as the enemy now. You don't see this town ga ga over the Bucs since Sims plays there. You don't see them all Chargers fans since Jammer is there. It gets tiring hearing about Vince and the Titans. Been corrected, if im not mistaken this whole thread is opinionated so no one is right or wrong. If you hide the name and look at the stats, vince is anything but INVINCEBLE is all I am saying.

Lived in Austin for 5 years and still have friends and business associates there. So I still spend alot of time there. Im not trying to make this Cowboys vs. Texans because that would be too easy. Texans don't come anywhere near the Cowboys. Im mearly correcting and educating you on how people feel about Vince in Austin. How many folks were at your gay Texan chapter in Austin????? Well there are 1.5 million people living in Austin and bet that the vast majority of that number are Cowboy fans and could give a shit less about the Texans, therefore making it easy to root for Vince, a player they followed while he was here. A player that took Longhorn fans to 2 rose bowls, beat USC and brought home a championship. If you think for one damn minute we will forget that, the fuck yourself.

The fact that you try to compare Vince to Simms and Jammer is just asinine.

[ATRAIN]

Lived in Austin for 5 years and still have friends and business associates there. So I still spend alot of time there. Im not trying to make this Cowboys vs. Texans because that would be too easy. Texans don't come anywhere near the Cowboys. Im mearly correcting and educating you on how people feel about Vince in Austin. How many folks were at your gay Texan chapter in Austin????? Well there are 1.5 million people living in Austin and bet that the vast majority of that number are Cowboy fans and could give a shit less about the Texans, therefore making it easy to root for Vince, a player they followed while he was here. A player that took Longhorn fans to 2 rose bowls, beat USC and brought home a championship. If you think for one damn minute we will forget that, the fuck yourself.

The fact that you try to compare Vince to Simms and Jammer is just asinine.


You forget the topic and everything I started with wasn't about the Texans, it was about what I thought about Vince as a pro player. I simply said I don't think he has what it takes to win a championship in the pros and you Vince homers get all pissed off. I laugh at you and Ofactor..........well considering your the same guy is even funnier.

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I know it raises a lot of up-roar talking about Vince. There are a lot of people that love him especially in Austin. Yes a lot of Houston fans wanted him in Houston and that first victory he had against us showed it all. The fans went crazy. I for one didnt "hate" him when he was first drafted but I for one am now SICK of the way people continue to suck his dick when he hasn't done shit. Yeah he made the pro bowl last year, but was a 4th alternate. To me that is NOT making it, but that is just me. Its funny to see the Vince Homer get his panties in a bunch defending his "man".
I'm wondering who all is "sucking his dick"? There are a few fans here that love him, including me, and think that he will be an elite QB. He isn't hardly talked about in the media, and about the only person that makes it a point to talk about him every chance possible is Merril Hoge, who is a total moron and hater of VY for no reason whatsoever.

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You don't see this town ga ga over the Bucs since Sims plays there. You don't see them all Chargers fans since Jammer is there.
Then again, Sims and Jammer didn't singlehandedly win Texas a title, while having unquestionably the greatest single performance in College Football history, all while upsetting the "greatest college football team in history", did they?

[TheZackAttack!]

You forget the topic and everything I started with wasn't about the Texans, it was about what I thought about Vince as a pro player. I simply said I don't think he has what it takes to win a championship in the pros and you Vince homers get all pissed off. I laugh at you and Ofactor..........well considering your the same guy is even funnier.

Nice way to bitch out. Im also monoslaby1k, Fillmoe, KoriEllis, and Whott. I guess I could be you too, but then that would make me a cunt so nah...

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Nice way to bitch out. Im also monoslaby1k, Fillmoe, KoriEllis, and Whott. I guess I could be you too, but then that would make me a cunt so nah...
:lol

[ATRAIN]

I'm wondering who all is "sucking his dick"? There are a few fans here that love him, including me, and think that he will be an elite QB. He isn't hardly talked about in the media, and about the only person that makes it a point to talk about him every chance possible is Merril Hoge, who is a total moron and hater of VY for no reason whatsoever.


Well there are a few who post here that ride his jock, one of the posted earlier. I guess i meant that from a Austin perspective. True he has been quiet in the media as of late. I just seem to always argue this topic and its just a matter of opinion. I don't think he will be great and win a title and for my opinion I get called an idiot ex Zack and Ofactor. Like I said before if you look at his stats without showing his name, everyone would say man this guy isn't very good, am I right? His future of course, only time will tell. Maybe ill be proven wrong, but maybe I a right. No one will really know. I tired to stay on topic, but others that defend him start bashing either the Texans or the Texans qb. If this was a Vince vs Mario or Vince vs Texans thread then fine, but it wasn't.

[ATRAIN]

Then again, Sims and Jammer didn't singlehandedly win Texas a title, while having unquestionably the greatest single performance in College Football history, all while upsetting the "greatest college football team in history", did they?


I agree and your right on that, but like I said he left and is no longer the UT qb, im just waiting for it to finally die down.

[ATRAIN]

Nice way to bitch out. Im also monoslaby1k, Fillmoe, KoriEllis, and Whott. I guess I could be you too, but then that would make me a cunt so nah...


You could be but I know who you really are.

[TheZackAttack!]

Well there are a few who post here that ride his jock, one of the posted earlier. I guess i meant that from a Austin perspective. True he has been quiet in the media as of late. I just seem to always argue this topic and its just a matter of opinion. I don't think he will be great and win a title and for my opinion I get called an idiot ex Zack and Ofactor. Like I said before if you look at his stats without showing his name, everyone would say man this guy isn't very good, am I right? His future of course, only time will tell. Maybe ill be proven wrong, but maybe I a right. No one will really know. I tired to stay on topic, but others that defend him start bashing either the Texans or the Texans qb. If this was a Vince vs Mario or Vince vs Texans thread then fine, but it wasn't.


Jesus Christ man!

[Kermit]

You would be surprised how many fans hate him, especially in the Austin Area.......another story all together. Yes I love what VY did for UT, but bottom line, he plays for the enemy. He is no longer the Longhorn QB. People need to get the fuck over it and get his nuts out of their mouth.

No one in the Austin area hates Vince, unless that person is an A&M graduate or is a fan of USC. Dude is a God here, much like in Houston.

[Kermit]

You would be surprised how many fans hate him, especially in the Austin Area.......another story all together. Yes I love what VY did for UT, but bottom line, he plays for the enemy. He is no longer the Longhorn QB. People need to get the fuck over it and get his nuts out of their mouth.


but I for one am now SICK of the way people continue to suck his dick when he hasn't done shit.

So, by many fans in the Austin area who hate him, you mean yourself. I see...

[ATRAIN]

So, by many fans in the Austin area who hate him, you mean yourself. I see...


LOL well myself included, but there are others. As far as Houston, there are more than you would expect. Yes there are the majority in both towns that love him, but we will see how long that lasts.

[ATRAIN]

No one in the Austin area hates Vince, unless that person is an A&M graduate or is a fan of USC. Dude is a God here, much like in Houston.


There are a lot of Texans fans that are tired of hearing about Vince and I think a lot of this has to do with Keye, but thats another story.

I know that isn't VY's fault and like what was said the Majority either love the cowboys are love Vince and don't care about the Texans. With all of that aside and with my newfound animosity for VY, I still even before he was drafted said that I didn't believe he would excel in the pros the way he did in college. Which was the main area of this topic anyway. Like I said before its just my opinion, and it means nothing to anyone else but me.

[dirk4mvp]

191 yds. and 2 td passes all in 1 game for VY is incredible. Christmas came early for him :lol

[scott]

Vince sucks and so does Houston... these things are not mutually exclusive.

[scott]

Vince powers the Titans past the Jets by only committing 2 turnovers today (he only lost 2 of his 3 fumbles)! Way to go Vince!

[johngateswhiteley]

no it wont.... hes garbage

...thats a good point.

[ducks]

dude has not thrown a touchdown pass in 8 weeks
pathetic

[johngateswhiteley]

dude has not thrown a touchdown pass in 8 weeks
pathetic

he's not an NFL quarterback. funny thing is, he plays on a good team...he just can't get it done.

[fyatuk]

Vince was awesome as a rookie (as long as you keep in mind he was a rookie), but he's definitely been a disappointment as a Sophomore. You'd think with all the work he's put in, he would have improved more than he has.

He has improved his completion percentage considerably, up to an acceptable level (around 62%), but his TD/INT ration absolutely blows, and he's not making as many big plays with either his arm or his legs. He actually has managed to cut down his fumbles slightly even though he's lost just as many.

If he can correct his INT problem this offseason he'll be dangerous next year.

Hopefully the Colts will rest everybody like they have been and the Titans will win next week. I'd like to see how VY does in the playoffs since he's "known" for stepping up in big games.

[j-6]

I'd like to see how VY does in the playoffs since he's "known" for stepping up in big games.

That's a very interesting scenario with every week from here on out is a 'big game'.

I don't know if he has enough weapons around him to do anything remarkable against the Chargers at full strength, but the Colts on cruise control are doable.

[atxrocker]

people in austin do NOT hate vince young. atrain if fucking nuts.

[johngateswhiteley]

people in austin do NOT hate vince young. atrain if fucking nuts.

what's the deciding factor on if he's nuts?

[stretch]

dude has not thrown a touchdown pass in 8 weeks
pathetic
:wtf

are you retarded? he threw 2 last week, then two weeks before that, he threw another 2.

[stretch]

he's not an NFL quarterback. funny thing is, he plays on a good team...he just can't get it done.
lol, Matt Leinart

[ducks]

:wtf

are you retarded? he threw 2 last week, then two weeks before that, he threw another 2.
that is the stat on cbs I saw or did you make sure they were td not ints

[ducks]

lol, Matt Leinart
dude has a new system takes a year
did not help he was hurt this year
that is why rivers struggled early

[ATRAIN]

people in austin do NOT hate vince young. atrain if fucking nuts.


I said there was a select few that did, I did say for the most part everyone here rides Vince's JOCK harder than a triple crown jockey!!

[J.T.]

Titans had trouble scoring against the Jets. The Jets, people. If the Colts play starters even for just the first half, that's probably good for three Manning TD passes and one Addai TD run. I don't think the Titans will manage to score 5 TDs on the Colts, and that's assuming the backups (most of them have started and/or played huge minutes all year) don't get touchdowns or within Vinatieri's range a few times in the second half.

I think Indy wins this game because they realize Cleveland won't beat SD or Pittsburgh. The Titans probably won't either, but the safer play is letting Cleveland in so that Jacksonville advances, the Jags play NE and not Indy. If the Titans get in and both they and Jacksonville advance, the Colts play the Jags and that's something they don't want.

[TheSanityAnnex]

They don't want to play SD either. Tough shit.

[johngateswhiteley]

dude has a new system takes a year
did not help he was hurt this year
that is why rivers struggled early

yep. like i said a long while back, Leinart will be a better QB...just wait.

[J.T.]

They don't want to play SD either. Tough shit.

I would rather play the Bolts than the Jags. . . beat the Colts in a game that matters or in a game that Manning isn't throwing to guys who more than likely won't be taking any snaps in January and your return man doesn't get two lucky touchdowns. Your offense didn't do shit in Week 10.

[ATRAIN]

yep. like i said a long while back, Leinart will be a better QB...just wait.


As much as I hate that pussy Leinart.........I agree!!!

[stretch]

that is the stat on cbs I saw or did you make sure they were td not ints
why don't you look it up for yourself, you stupid fuck

[stretch]

dude has a new system takes a year
did not help he was hurt this year
that is why rivers struggled early
what system is that?

[fyatuk]

Titans had trouble scoring against the Jets. The Jets, people. If the Colts play starters even for just the first half, that's probably good for three Manning TD passes and one Addai TD run. I don't think the Titans will manage to score 5 TDs on the Colts, and that's assuming the backups (most of them have started and/or played huge minutes all year) don't get touchdowns or within Vinatieri's range a few times in the second half.


You're kidding, right? You think the Colts will score 4 TDs in a half when last time they scored 2 TDs in the GAME?

That is seriously overdoing it there. Especially when you take into account the injuries they've had since then.

Addai and Gonzales won't be playing much (if at all) because of injuries they suffered last week, and of course Harrison appears to still be out. I doubt Manning will play much more than a quarter given the Colts history with meaningless games.

The Titans have a good shot to win what will probably end up being a low scoring game.

[O-Factor]

I said there was a select few that did, I did say for the most part everyone here rides Vince's JOCK harder than a triple crown jockey!!

So what, according to you we are not allowed to follow a guy's career after college. We are suppose to cease being fans of Vince? Thats fucking stupid. People in Austin/Texas LOVE Vince. Too bad. Get over it. He's going to dominate your texans throught his career. So he struggled in year 2? Big deal. He is still learning the game, had the Madden jinx, and has the worst set of WR in the league.

Get use to being the celler dweller in the AFC South for years to come.

[O-Factor]

yep. like i said a long while back, Leinart will be a better QB...just wait.


To quote the Great Tim Duncan..."Thats retarded"

[ATRAIN]

^^^ and the biggest Vince jock rider is here. You know im not even going to comment to you after this. There is no reason, you have the biggest hard on for a player that will "never" do what he did in college. That's fine, and just like your alter ego Zack Attack there you go again bringing up the Texans...try to stay on topic you fucking idiot. OH yeah and the whole "madden" curse is a sorry fucking excuse. Lets see if your singing the same tune next year. As far as sorry recievers, they are pro's for a reason so that is no excuse either.

[O-Factor]

^^^ and the biggest Vince jock rider is here. You know im not even going to comment to you after this.

Then why are you even writing anything? Typical retarded post by you.


There is no reason, you have the biggest hard on for a player that will "never" do what he did in college. That's fine, and just like your alter ego Zack Attack there you go again bringing up the Texans...try to stay on topic you fucking idiot. OH yeah and the whole "madden" curse is a sorry fucking excuse. Lets see if your singing the same tune next year.


:lmao My alter ego? Okay ashbeeigh :rolleyes But I've come to expect weak posts like this from you. Sorry some people like Vince and don't give 2 shits about a sorry franchise like the texans.


As far as sorry recievers, they are pro's for a reason so that is no excuse either.

^^^So by that rationale, Andre Johnson and other texan injuries are not excuses for the texans sorry showing this year. Since you know their backups are pro's too. Okay, thanks.

[BeerIsGood!]

ATRAIN has become the whipping boy of the NFL and Baseball forums.


:lmao @ JGW and Ducks dumb asses thinking Leinart will ever be shit. Even when he was healthy he was subed for KURT WARNER to run the two minute offense. I like how according to these bastards VY just sucks but Leinart has had bad breaks and injuries and a new system that's keeping him down. Fucking retards.

[ATRAIN]

How so?

[ATRAIN]

ATRAIN has become the whipping boy of the NFL and Baseball forums.


:lmao @ JGW and Ducks dumb asses thinking Leinart will ever be shit. Even when he was healthy he was subed for KURT WARNER to run the two minute offense. I like how according to these bastards VY just sucks but Leinart has had bad breaks and injuries and a new system that's keeping him down. Fucking retards.


Is this all because I support the Houston teams in baseball and football? Explain yourself.

[BeerIsGood!]

[QUOTE=BeerIsGood!]ATRAIN has become the whipping boy of the NFL and Baseball forums.

/QUOTE]


How so?

I was exaggerating. You're not a whipping boy, but your takes crack me up sometimes. Also, the sheer horrible homer bets are pretty funny as well. Some people say you should stick to creating threads about random bullshit in the club, but I think a little entertainment in the NFL and baseball forums are good.

[monosylab1k]

as shitty as Vince Young has looked at times, his team is still in contention for the playoffs going into the final weekend of the regular season. for the second year in a row. with a Titans team that "experts" were predicting a 5-11 season out of. something leinart & cutler haven't even come close to doing.

bottom line: VY is a born leader and he just wins. say what you will about his stats, he puts up the W's. as he continues to develop, that team will just get better and better.

[monosylab1k]

He has improved his completion percentage considerably, up to an acceptable level (around 62%), but his TD/INT ration absolutely blows, and he's not making as many big plays with either his arm or his legs.
the fact that his completion percentage is higher but TD/INT is worse tells me exactly what has been the problem all season - his receivers fucking suck. he has zero playmakers around him. and Norm Chow is ruining him. All last week against the Jets, Vince looked almost scared to run with it. His greatest strength is his legs but he's being forced to sit in the pocket, which is fucking stupid.

[ATRAIN]

I was exaggerating. You're not a whipping boy, but your takes crack me up sometimes. Also, the sheer horrible homer bets are pretty funny as well. Some people say you should stick to creating threads about random bullshit in the club, but I think a little entertainment in the NFL and baseball forums are good.


Yeah well I have confidence in my teams. I made that bet with pee wee and I honestly believed the Texans were a playoff team. I still do, but injury struck them early on and it was hard to recover. Yes I know that isnt an excuse but we aren't a strong enough team yet to be able to lose 2 or 3 key guys like the colts and still be in contention. The baseball bet could have gone either way and it was decided in the last week. I will make that same bet next year as well. LOL the two that say I should stick to random bullshit in the club is the same guy and I have proof. Now the funny thing is if you go read other posts he quotes himself using his other account. Now how sad is that.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

12 total TDs and 27 TOs, how exactly is that leading his team?

The Titans are still in contention in spite of VY, not because of him.

[ATRAIN]

12 total TDs and 27 TOs, how exactly is that leading his team?

The Titans are still in contention in spite of VY, not because of him.


Just curious because I don't follow them, but how are they getting these wins then? The running game? Defense?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

His greatest strength is his legs but he's being forced to sit in the pocket, which is fucking stupid.


I agree with this. VY is the type of guy you have to just let play.

Confining him in one type offense turns him into a pedestrian QB.

He's thinking too much rather than just playing the game.

[BeerIsGood!]

Yeah well I have confidence in my teams. I made that bet with pee wee and I honestly believed the Texans were a playoff team. I still do, but injury struck them early on and it was hard to recover. Yes I know that isnt an excuse but we aren't a strong enough team yet to be able to lose 2 or 3 key guys like the colts and still be in contention. The baseball bet could have gone either way and it was decided in the last week. I will make that same bet next year as well. LOL the two that say I should stick to random bullshit in the club is the same guy and I have proof. Now the funny thing is if you go read other posts he quotes himself using his other account. Now how sad is that.

If you actually pay up, I give you props. :toast

[monosylab1k]

12 total TDs and 27 TOs, how exactly is that leading his team?

The Titans are still in contention in spite of VY, not because of him.
The Titans are in contention with Vince Young as their quarterback. Is quarterback the most important position on the team or not?

The Broncos haven't done shit with Jay Cutler, the Cardinals looked horrible with Matt Leinart. The Titans are winning with Vince Young. Bottom Line. End Of Discussion.

[BeerIsGood!]

Honestly, I think it's still too early to judge VY, Leinart, or Cutler because they were forced to play way before they should have ever set foot on a regular season field. The NFL teams draft QB's way too high and throw them to the wolves way too early, I think a guy like Romo shows what can happen if you get the right guy and let him learn what to do before shoving a leadership role and control of the team down his throat.

[ATRAIN]

If you actually pay up, I give you props. :toast


LOL the funny thing on that bet is that I already sent a check to him, he made that post knowing I was going to pay him. I was stiring the pot of course because it was funny to see jack asses like TSA calling me a bitch and what not, when in actuality how many of those guys would have actually paid up. Pee wee even knew I was stirring the pot and kept adding to it. When it comes to bets I pay up even if I shouldnt have made the bet in the first place. Just shows you how strong my faith is in my teams. Now will I make another 100 bet next year, prob not but I still have faith.

[monosylab1k]

I agree with this. VY is the type of guy you have to just let play.

Confining him in one type offense turns him into a pedestrian QB.

He's thinking too much rather than just playing the game.
He's never going to be a Manning/Brady level pocket passer. Probably not even a Drew Brees/Carson Palmer level passer. But he can still be an extremely effective passer as long as you let him keep his greatest strengths - his ability to run with the ball and improv, along with making his teammates around him better.

I'm starting to wonder about these USC guys - Bush, Leinart, Norm Chow, Pete Carroll.....doesn't seem like too many recent USC guys have any clue what it takes to be successful in the NFL.

[greenroom]

The Titans are in contention with Vince Young as their quarterback. Is quarterback the most important position on the team or not?

The Broncos haven't done shit with Jay Cutler, the Cardinals looked horrible with Matt Leinart. The Titans are winning with Vince Young. Bottom Line. End Of Discussion.

You ment to say the Titans are winning dispite Vince Young. VY is the next Mike Vick. Will show flashs but will never take his team to the next level.

Look for Cutler to be better next year and I would not be suprised to see Leinart have a decent year next year.

[ATRAIN]

Honestly, I think it's still too early to judge VY, Leinart, or Cutler because they were forced to play way before they should have ever set foot on a regular season field. The NFL teams draft QB's way too high and throw them to the wolves way too early, I think a guy like Romo shows what can happen if you get the right guy and let him learn what to do before shoving a leadership role and control of the team down his throat.


Romo hasnt been doing what he used to all season? Is it the injury? Is it because of Simpson? Did other teams figure the cowboys out? Is it just a slump? Or is he choking because the Mavs started the Dallas choking trend?

hahahahha :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot:

[ATRAIN]

You ment to say the Titans are winning dispite Vince Young. VY is the next Mike Vick. Will show flashs but will never take his team to the next level.

Look for Cutler to be better next year and I would not be suprised to see Leinart have a decent year next year.


Yeah I agree with you on that. Vince will have his INViNCEABLE games but will never lead the titans to the promise land. If he is allowed to run free will get hurt like Vick always did.

[monosylab1k]

You ment to say the Titans are winning dispite Vince Young. VY is the next Mike Vick. Will show flashs but will never take his team to the next level.

Look for Cutler to be better next year and I would not be suprised to see Leinart have a decent year next year.
The Titans are winning with Vince Young. I don't give a fuck how they're doing it. They're winning and he is their quarterback. The Broncos are watching the playoffs at some shitty bar in Denver with Jay Cutler as their QB.

How pathetic of a QB do you have to be when everybody remembers a couple years ago when your team was better with Jake Plummer.

[ATRAIN]

The Titans are winning with Vince Young. I don't give a fuck how they're doing it. They're winning and he is their quarterback. The Broncos are watching the playoffs at some shitty bar in Denver with Jay Cutler as their QB.

How pathetic of a QB do you have to be when everybody remembers a couple years ago when your team was better with Jake Plummer.


We still don't know if Vince will be splitting that bar tab.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Cutler is a better QB than VY at this point. No denying that.

And looking strictly at W/L record for QBs is the same as looking only at W/L records for pitchers.

It just doesn't work.

[stretch]

He's never going to be a Manning/Brady level pocket passer. Probably not even a Drew Brees/Carson Palmer level passer. But he can still be an extremely effective passer as long as you let him keep his greatest strengths - his ability to run with the ball and improv, along with making his teammates around him better.
If he can learn the passing game the way that McNabb did, he will be one of the deadliest weapons in NFL history. He is basically exactly like McNabb but with better running ability, athleticism, and is clutch as hell.

[monosylab1k]

And looking strictly at W/L record for QBs is the same as looking only at W/L records for pitchers.
That's so off base it's not even funny. Considering a pitcher is a solitary player only communicating with one other guy on the field, while a quarterback has to lead 10 other men, makes it ridiculous to compare the two.

a pitcher's W/L total depends on how he personally pitches and the rest are elements completely out of his control. a quarterback has to work in sync with 10 other guys, be a leader on and off the field, and communicate with the coaches.

[fyatuk]

12 total TDs and 27 TOs, how exactly is that leading his team?

The Titans are still in contention in spite of VY, not because of him.

At least get your stats right...

17 INT + 3 FUM LOST = 20 Turnovers.

Not that 12/20 is much better than 12/27, but accuracy counts.

[traitoravery]

The Titans have one of the best Defenses in the league!!! If the game is close and they are down 7 or less they will always have a chance with VY. Titans win this week and pull off an upset in the playoffs book it.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

That's so off base it's not even funny. Considering a pitcher is a solitary player only communicating with one other guy on the field, while a quarterback has to lead 10 other men, makes it ridiculous to compare the two.

a pitcher's W/L total depends on how he personally pitches and the rest are elements completely out of his control. a quarterback has to work in sync with 10 other guys, be a leader on and off the field, and communicate with the coaches.

It's a lot easier to separate a baseball player from his team than it is to separate a football player from his team. I'll grant you that as I assume that's what your point was.

My point is simple: W/L is not strictly dependent on QB or P performance. Performance is a factor, moreso as a pitcher, but not always the deciding factor in the outcome. Things as simple as missing a block or misplaying a fly ball can mean a loss instead of a win or vice versa. Stellar QB play and 7 stellar innings from the starter can mean nothing at all. W/L record is simply not a good indicator of performance. Which is why...

....W/L total is a meaningless stat for QBs. Eli Manning has been horrible this year and just because the Giants, as a team, have won 10 games doesn't change that fact. The same for Grossman last year. The only reason VY gets a pass from me is that it's only his 2nd year and his WRs have been so bad. That doesn't mean he hasn't been horrible this year. If the stats came under the name of Leinart, you'd have a field day with them.

It's really rather simple in the NFL: if you can run the ball and stop the run, you can win games in this league, regardless of QB play. In fact, those two things tend to mask deficiencies of the overall team. Look no further than the 2007 Minnesota Vikings and 2007 Tennessee Titans for proof of that.

I guess it goes back to does the QB make the other players on offense better or do the other players make the QB better? I don't have an answer to that as it's unique within each situation.

As for the 27-20 TOS, that's my bad. I should have known taking them from CBS's fantasy talking heads.

[J.T.]

You're kidding, right? You think the Colts will score 4 TDs in a half when last time they scored 2 TDs in the GAME?

That is seriously overdoing it there. Especially when you take into account the injuries they've had since then.

Addai and Gonzales won't be playing much (if at all) because of injuries they suffered last week, and of course Harrison appears to still be out. I doubt Manning will play much more than a quarter given the Colts history with meaningless games.

The Titans have a good shot to win what will probably end up being a low scoring game.

Are you on crack man? You and all of the other Colts haters must be (or you're just blind) because people have been playing the injury card on us all year and we keep winning. The Patriots beat us by four points while we were playing with only one good receiver the whole game. Peyton had a rough game in Oakland but he delivered when it counted... other than that the Colts offense has been on fire for the past 4 games.

Addai and Gonzalez didn't come back in the game because the Colts had the rout on by that point. There was no need. And does it matter if Harrison plays or not? Clearly his absence has ruined the Colts shot at a title defense.

I don't know what season you've been watching man but I don't see the Colts mailing in a division game at home, even if it's Week 17 and they have nothing to play for. They had nothing to play for last week either and the Texans went home with two broken legs.

[fyatuk]

Are you on crack man? You and all of the other Colts haters must be (or you're just blind) because people have been playing the injury card on us all year and we keep winning. The Patriots beat us by four points while we were playing with only one good receiver the whole game. Peyton had a rough game in Oakland but he delivered when it counted... other than that the Colts offense has been on fire for the past 4 games.

Addai and Gonzalez didn't come back in the game because the Colts had the rout on by that point. There was no need. And does it matter if Harrison plays or not? Clearly his absence has ruined the Colts shot at a title defense.

I don't know what season you've been watching man but I don't see the Colts mailing in a division game at home, even if it's Week 17 and they have nothing to play for. They had nothing to play for last week either and the Texans went home with two broken legs.

I've been paying at least a little attention. Personally I think a healthy Colts beats the Patiots. I've been actually very impressed with how well the Colts have overcome their injuries. Not so much Harrison since the Colts run with 2 #1 receivers anyway, but some of the others seemed pretty daunting.

I just don't see them running up the score. In the first 7 games this season, the Colts scored less than 29 once, against the Titans. In those games they gave up more than the 20 to the Titans once. They've only given up more than 20 points 4 times this year.

Addai and Gonzalez are indeed suffering effects from their injuries. There is no reason TO play them, and good reason not to, at least not more than a series if at all. I'll be really surprised if they play significant amounts, just because it'd be an idiotic decision by an intelligent coach.

Even with them, the Titans D is exceptional as long as Haynesworth is crashing up the middle, and over the last couple years, Colts-Titans equals a low scoring game (by Colts standards), and close.

[scott]

Listening to some of the VY homers here is comical. Vince hasn't led shit. To credit him with the Titans record is a joke. Quincy Carter went 10-6 with the Cowboys, that doesn't mean he was a good quarterback.

A game by game look at how Vince has supposedly "led" the team.

Week 1: 13-10 victory at Jacksonville.

Vince goes 11-18 for 78 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT but has 11 rushes for 22 yards and a TD. 47.9 QB Rating.

Unless 100 yards of offense out of your QB is suddenly earth shattering (Jax gives up 236 ypg passing), I think it is safe to say that it was Tennessee's defense limiting Jones-Drew and Taylor to 48 yards on 13 carries that won the game.

Week 2

22-20 loss home versus the Colts.

This was actually one of Vince's better games statistically. 17-27 for 184, 1 TD, 0 INT to go with 53 yards on 5 carries. 95.3 QB Rating. A hint at a trend soon to emerge... strangly, the better Vince's stats, the less games Tennessee wins.

Week 3

31-14 win @ New Orleans.

Another pretty solid game by Vince standards. 14-22 164 Yards, 2 TD, 1 Int, 5 rushes 21 yards. 97.6 QB Rating. Vince certainly led the team to the win here. Prompoted the front page of ESPN.com to read "In-VINCE-able".

Week 4

Bye. I think the only time all year Vince didn't fumble or throw an INT.

Week 5

20-13 win versus Atlanta at home.

Vince: 20-33, 157 yards, 0 TD, 3 Int, 8 Rushes 27 yards. QB rating 34.5

A game that took the forward pass back 100 years. Anyone care to try and claim Vince was the deciding factor in this one?

Week 6

13-10 Loss @ Tampa Bay.

Vince: 11/14 120 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 3 carries 6 yards. 72.6 Rating.

Vince leaves the game in the 3rd quarter, Kerry Collins comes in and leads Tennessee to their only TD of the game. Tennessee leads time of possession 38 minutes to 22 in this game and still loses.

Week 7

38-36 win @ Houston.

Vince doesn't play, Kerry Collins leads Tennessee to their highest point output since Vince joined the team (still waiting to be surpassed by Vince). Hard to give Vince credit for this win since he didn't play.

Week 8

13-9 win over Oakland at home.

Vince: 6/14, 42 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 7 carries for 11 yards. 50.3 QB rating. Seriously... is this Pop Warner?

Week 9

20-7 win at home over Carolina.

Vince: 14-23, 110 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 8 carries 25 yards 1 TD. 36.5 QB Rating.

These were the kind of performances that had people calling for Rex Grossman's head last year. But Vince gets a free pass from Tennessee and UT fans. Curious. Did Vince "lead" the team here? Doesn't look like it.

Week 10

28-13 home loss to Jacksonville.

Vince: 24-41, 257 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, 8 carries 52 yards. 64.8 QB Rating.

IIRC, this was Vince's highest passing total of his career at that point. But, a rather bad loss for a team that was thick in the playoff hunt at that point.

Week 11

34-20 loss at Denver.

Vince: 26/41, 1 TD, 2 Int, 11 caries 74 yards. 73.8 QB Rating.

Jay Cutler, who we were just told sucks by a Vince-homer, posts a 137.0 QB rating in a drubbing of Vince's team. Had the Titans won we would have likely seen more "In-VINCE-able" headlines after this performance, the first and only time he's ever eclipsed 300 yards passing. But instead, it's just VY leading his team to another loss in one of his better statistical days.

Week 12

35-6 loss at Cincy.

Vince: 19/31, 246 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 2 carries, 6 yards. 72.3 QB rating.

Vince looks like he can finally rack up passing yards. Too bad he can't rack up TDs (too bad unless you have Tennessee's kicker on your fantasy team).

Week 13

28-20 win at home vs. Houston.

Vince: 21-31, 248 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 5 rushes, 44 yards. 99.9 QB Rating.

Good game for Vince, we'll give him credit for leading the team to victory for the second time this year.

Week 14

23-17 loss at home vs. San Diego.

Vince: 13-21, 121 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 2 carries, 2 yards. 38.1 QB Rating.

That sure is a lot of sub-50 QB rating games for Vince... the words "in spite of Vince" come to mind...

Week 15

26-17 win at KC.

Vince 16-26, 191 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7 carries, 32 yards. 109.6 QB Rating

Vince finally breaks a 100 passer rating. Credit for win #3 to Vince leading the team.

Week 16

10-6 win over NYJ at home.

Vince: 12-22, 166 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 7 carries, 1 yard. 60.0 QB Rating.

Yes, those are real stats.

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So there we have it. Of Tennessee's 8 wins, we can definitely say 3 were because of his leadership. 5 games he had a passer rating of 50 or below. Only 4 games above 90.

Even Rex Grossman was better than this when he led the Bear's to the Superbowl. I guess since no one thinks the Titans are actual SuperBowl contenders the QB doesn't get that kind of scrutiny.

[Ignignokt]

its like saying, Starter michael finley has the right stuff, because in light of his horrible shooting, the spurs keep on truckin.

[johngateswhiteley]

12 total TDs and 27 TOs, how exactly is that leading his team?

The Titans are still in contention in spite of VY, not because of him.


thats true. i don't know why people are so blind.

[BeerIsGood!]

its like saying, Starter michael finley has the right stuff, because in light of his horrible shooting, the spurs keep on truckin.
I wouldn't equate Finley's role on the Spurs to a QB's role on an NFL team. That's just dumb.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

thats true. i don't know why people are so blind.

They aren't blind, but they see what they want to see through those burnt orange glasses.

Nobody up here thinks that VY has been worth a damn this year. If he had played at Michigan, the love/lips firmly wrapped around his cack would have been the same up here, though.

[inconvertible]

reg season=stay in the pocket
playoffs=do what you do VY, do what you do.

[traitoravery]

Out of all those incomplete passes how many do you think were drops? I say atleast 15-20% Like in the indy game last minute drive down by 2 20-30 yard pass to set them up in field goal range and the damn ball was dropped. If Jones would have caught the ball we wouldnt even be here right now. The Titans would already clinched and we would be talking about the Jags and Colts and who would end the season as the AFC south Champs.

[BeerIsGood!]

thats true. i don't know why people are so blind.

You must really be the most obtuse, whacked out of his mind asshole I've ever had the displeasure of ever dealing with. I've got two words for you, hypocrite...


Matt Leinart.

[johngateswhiteley]

You must really be the most obtuse, whacked out of his mind asshole I've ever had the displeasure of ever dealing with. I've got two words for you, hypocrite...


Matt Leinart.


tantrumsaregood,
...some things you understand...most you don't.

[J.T.]

Out of all those incomplete passes how many do you think were drops? I say atleast 15-20% Like in the indy game last minute drive down by 2 20-30 yard pass to set them up in field goal range and the damn ball was dropped. If Jones would have caught the ball we wouldnt even be here right now. The Titans would already clinched and we would be talking about the Jags and Colts and who would end the season as the AFC south Champs.

No we wouldn't because the Colts beat Jacksonville twice and own the tiebreaker?

I'm no Vince fan but at least he's good enough to not have to split time with his backup *cough*Leinart*cough*

[johnsmith]

bump

[monosylab1k]

how'd jay cutler enjoy the playoffs? with wings or pizza?

cuz vince young was busy playing this week.

[johnsmith]

cuz vince young was busy playing this week.


Is that what you call that?

[johnsmith]

By the way Mono, have you picked a team to root for once the Pats dynasty starts slowing down?

[Bandwagoneer]

By the way Mono, have you picked a team to root for once the Pats dynasty starts slowing down?

I haven't picked one yet but i'll let you know.