Pro Bowl Rosters Announced Today at 3PM

[J.T.]

Pro Bowl selection show is on the NFL Network at 3PM local time today.

Colts should be sending between 5 and 8 if the votes from the Dec. 4 count held up. Addai was leading the AFC RBs in votes then. I think that Manning, Addai, Wayne, Saturday, Sanders and Brackett should be locks to go.

[J.T.]

The Pro Bowl is going to be funny this year, watching Belichick run the score up on the NFC with Brady and Moss. Maybe Roy Williams can lay out Brady with a horse collar tackle.

[TheZackAttack!]

I voted for Dallas Clark in the AFC along with Gates.

[monosylab1k]

i voted for Philip Rivers purely for comedy purposes. Can you imagine the spit-takes Brady & Manning will do later today if Rivers is named the AFC starter?

[Thunder Dan]

Josh Cribbs better make it that's all I care about

[midgetonadonkey]

I'm hoping at least 2 Texans make the team.

[samikeyp]

I think Romo, Ware and Witten should make it for Dallas. That's about it. If Roy Williams makes it again, I will stop voting! :lol

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I hope zero Lions make the team.

[TheZackAttack!]

I'm hoping at least 2 Texans make the team.

Which 2?

[samikeyp]

Mario Williams should make it.

[TheZackAttack!]

I think Romo, Ware and Witten should make it for Dallas. That's about it. If Roy Williams makes it again, I will stop voting! :lol

I'd throw in Flo and L. Davis. Wouldnt mind seeing Barber as an alternate

[samikeyp]

Davis maybe....Flo still commits too many penalties for my tastes. Barber as an alternate would be cool.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'd throw in Flo and L. Davis. Wouldnt mind seeing Barber as an alternate

I'd pick Gurode over either of those guys, particularly if I had to vote relative to position in the NFC.

[FromWayDowntown]

I think Romo, Ware and Witten should make it for Dallas. That's about it. If Roy Williams makes it again, I will stop voting! :lol

Owens is going to make it as well, I'm sure. I'd think the Cowboys also get one o-lineman (either Gurode or Davis) and perhaps McBriar and Folk.

[samikeyp]

I'd pick Gurode over either of those guys, particularly if I had to vote relative to position in the NFC.


Agreed....also, totally forgot about TO...maybe because of his crappy game this weekend! :lol

[samikeyp]

Cleo Lemon is a lock!!

[/poopshark]

:lol

[ATRAIN]

Mario Williams should make it.


He will prob be the only Texan to make it this year.

[TheZackAttack!]

Davis maybe....Flo still commits too many penalties for my tastes. Barber as an alternate would be cool.

False starts aside, which blow, he still dominates his side and is deserving

[K-State Spur]

I'd like to see Sean Taylor make the roster. He only played in 10 games, but he was the best safety in football during that span.

[ATRAIN]

I'd like to see Sean Taylor make the roster. He only played in 10 games, but he was the best safety in football during that span.


Did Gates have better stats than Winslow?

[J.T.]

I'd like to see Sean Taylor make the roster. He only played in 10 games, but he was the best safety in football during that span.

Bob Sanders may disagree with you, but I think that would be a classy move if the NFL did that. If they didn't pull his name from the ballot after his death and he still received the necessary votes, I don't see why not.

[TheZackAttack!]

Yeah, I'd take Sanders over Taylor, R.I.P., with all due respect

[BeerIsGood!]

The Cowboys should have Romo, TO, Witten, Gurode, either Davis or Adams, and McBriar. They probably will have Williams because he was leading the votes for safeties a few weeks ago, but he shouldn't go.

[K-State Spur]

Bob Sanders may disagree with you, but I think that would be a classy move if the NFL did that. If they didn't pull his name from the ballot after his death and he still received the necessary votes, I don't see why not.

Both hit like dump trucks, Sanders is a better tackler, Taylor was better in coverage.

Personal preference really.

[TheZackAttack!]

Mario Williams should make it.

For me, at DE in the AFC, its Jared Allen, Jason Taylor, then Mario Williams. How many get chosen? I forgot.

[BeerIsGood!]

Both hit like dump trucks, Sanders is a better tackler, Taylor was better in coverage.

Personal preference really.


You do realize that at this time your grandma can cover better than Taylor? If the want to give him an honorary nod then I'm all for that, but I don't think he should get a spot that keeps someone else off.

[K-State Spur]

You do realize that at this time your grandma can cover better than Taylor? If the want to give him an honorary nod then I'm all for that, but I don't think he should get a spot that keeps someone else off.

Nice.

Nobody's going to get knocked off. He would get recognized as being [at least] the best safety in the NFC for 10 games this year (players have made the pro bowl playing less games).

Officially, he'd be on the team, but his spot would go to the next guy. Just like if he were injured.

[J.T.]

Both hit like dump trucks, Sanders is a better tackler, Taylor was better in coverage.

Personal preference really.

No doubt Taylor was a stud and would have been named to the Pro Bowl for years, but no man is more responsible for the rise and fall of his team's defense than Bob Sanders. The Colts had an embarrassing defense last year, and this year they are ranked third overall. The difference? Sanders has missed only one game this year instead of twelve.

[midgetonadonkey]

For me, at DE in the AFC, its Jared Allen, Jason Taylor, then Mario Williams. How many get chosen? I forgot.

If you are looking purely at stats, Mario Williams should be chosen before those two. Allen has 5 more tackles than Williams, but Mario has 1.5 more sacks and a fumble recovery and TD on his stat line. He also has 3 more sacks and 5 more tackles than Taylor.

[K-State Spur]

No doubt Taylor was a stud and would have been named to the Pro Bowl for years, but no man is more responsible for the rise and fall of his team's defense than Bob Sanders. The Colts had an embarrassing defense last year, and this year they are ranked third overall. The difference? Sanders has missed only one game this year instead of twelve.

That's certainly true, and would make a strong argument for him for defensive MVP.

But, just because the Washington defense has players who have picked up the slack since Taylor has gone while the Colts defense folds without Sanders is not necessarily indicative of which player is better at their position.

As I said, it's a personal preference, you couldn't have gone wrong with either one.

If you want to get technical about it, they didn't even really play the same position. Sanders is your quintessential strong safety, coming up and providing great run support and laying out WRs on the underneath routes. Taylor was the dominant free safety, playing centerfield and running the deep routes with WRs better than most corners could do so.

[TheZackAttack!]

I factor stats in of course, but I could care less about 1.5 sacks more. Allen is a stud and has 16 more solo tackles than Williams. I really like the way the guy plays. Taylor may have 3 less sacks than Williams, but he also has an INT returned for a TD, 5 pass deflections as a DE, and 4 forced fumbles, 3 of which were recoved. The man gets it done and is a stud also. I just have Williams behind these 2. Shit, actually I think I like Taylor more than Allen now, lol.

[J.T.]

Yeah, we'll just keep going in circles if we continue to talk about this. They wouldn't have even been competing against each other for a Pro Bowl selection anyway.

[J.T.]

2008 Pro Bowl Rosters

NFC Starters

Offense

QB - Brett Favre, GB
RB - Adrian Peterson, MIN
FB - Tony Richardson, MIN
WR - Larry Fitzgerald, ARI
WR - Terrell Owens, DAL
TE - Jason Witten, DAL
OT - Flozell Adams, DAL
OT - Walter Jones, SEA
G - Leonard Davis, DAL
G - Steve Hutchinson, MIN
C - Andre Gurode, DAL

Defense

DE - Aaron Kampman, GB
DE - Patrick Kerney, SEA
DT - Kevin Williams, MIN
DT - Pat Williams, MIN
OLB - Julian Peterson, SEA
OLB - DeMarcus Ware, DAL
ILB - Lofa Tatupu, SEA
CB - Al Harris, GB
CB - Marcus Trufant, SEA
FS - Sean Taylor, WAS
SS - Darren Sharper, MIN

Special Teams

P - Andy Lee, SF
K - Nick Folk, DAL
KR - Devin Hester, CHI
ST - Brendon Ayanbadejo, CHI

Reserves

QB - Matt Hasselbeck, SEA
QB - Tony Romo, DAL
RB - Brian Westbrook, PHI
RB - Marion Barber, DAL
WR - Donald Driver, GB
WR - Torry Holt, STL
TE - Chris Cooley, WAS
OT - Chris Samuels, WAS
G - Shawn Andrews, PHI
C - Matt Birk, MIN

DE - Osi Umenyiora, NYG
DT - Tommie Harris, CHI
ILB - Patrick Willis, SF
CB - Terrence Newman, DAL
FS - Ken Hamlin, DAL


AFC Starters

Offense

QB - Tom Brady, NWE
RB - LaDanian Tomlinson, SD
FB - Lorenzo Neal, SD
WR - Randy Moss, NWE
WR - Reggie Wayne, IND
TE - Antonio Gates, SD
OT - Matt Light, NWE
OT - Jason Peters, BUF
G - Alan Faneca, PIT
G - Logan Mankins, NWE
C - Jeff Saturday, IND

Defense

DE - Jared Allen, KC
DE - Kyle Vanden Bosch, TEN
DT - Albert Hayensworth, TEN
DT - Vince Wilfork, NWE
OLB - James Harrison, PIT
OLB - Mike Vrable, NWE
ILB - DeMeco Ryans, HOU
CB - Champ Bailey, DEN
CB - Asante Samuel, NWE
FS - Ed Reed, BAL
SS - Bob Sanders, IND

Special Teams

P - Shane Lechler, OAK
K - Rob Bironas, TEN
KR - Josh Cribbs, CLE
ST - Kassim Osgood, SD

Reserves

QB - Peyton Manning, IND
QB - Ben Roethlisberger, PIT
RB - Joseph Addai, IND
RB - Willie Parker, PIT
WR - Braylon Edwards, CLE
WR - T.J. Houshmandzadeh, CIN
TE - Tony Gonzalez, KC
OT - Jonathan Ogden, BAL
G - Kris Dielman, SD
C - Dan Koppen, NWE

DE - Jason Taylor, MIA
DT - Jamal Williams, SD
OLB - Shawn Merriman, SD
ILB - Ray Lewis, BAL
CB - Antonio Cromartie, SD
SS - Troy Polamalu, PIT

[TheZackAttack!]

11 Cowboys, nice.

[TheZackAttack!]

no Mario, lol

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

How did Driver make it over Jennings?

I also thought Tanard Jackson had a better year than Hamlin.

Happy that no Lions made it as none of them deserved it.

[TheZackAttack!]

Driver got in on reputation, and does draw coverage his way which helps Jennings. But on stats alone, Jennings should of got in. It depends on the voter I guess.

[J.T.]

With all those Patriots... the score will be 150 AFC, 14 NFC

Brady to Moss for 700 yards, 10 TDs

[spursRgay]

poor mario...and fuck favre, START ROMO!!

[J.T.]

All in all pretty decent Pro Bowl selections this year. Peyton and Jeff are perennials but Super Reggie, Addai and Sanders have had great years and really deserved it. Only Colt that I think should have made it and didn't is Gary Brackett but I see why he was snubbed.

[spursRgay]

yea a lot more vikings than i expected

[BacktoBasics]

No Wes Welker.

[J.T.]

No Wes Welker.

I guess the fact that you yell "you fucking suck!" at opponent's DBs when they miss a tackle on you being publicized will cost you some Pro Bowl votes.

[spursRgay]

well if you can't tackle wes welker than you really must "fucking suck"

[stretch]

No doubt Taylor was a stud and would have been named to the Pro Bowl for years, but no man is more responsible for the rise and fall of his team's defense than Bob Sanders. The Colts had an embarrassing defense last year, and this year they are ranked third overall. The difference? Sanders has missed only one game this year instead of twelve.
I agree completely. I still personally think that Ed Reed and Brian Dawkins are better all-around safeties, but no one is more important to their team's success than Bob Sanders.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Welker has had a good year, but no different than the year Mike Furrey had last year.

Neither deserved to go to the PB.

[stretch]

I guess the fact that you yell "you fucking suck!" at opponent's DBs when they miss a tackle on you being publicized will cost you some Pro Bowl votes.
:lol

[K-State Spur]

I agree completely. I still personally think that Ed Reed and Brian Dawkins are better all-around safeties, but no one is more important to their team's success than Bob Sanders.

Dawkins isn't as good in run support as he used to be and Ed Reed - while still capable of making big plays - saw an all around drop-off in his game this year (it'll take the media about 3 years to catch on though...).

[2centsworth]

by the time the pro bowl rolls around the teams will look completely different

[dimsah]

No way Tommie Harris should have gotten in. Should have been either Mike Patterson from Philly or Jovan Haye from Tampa.

How does Umenyoria get in?

[samikeyp]

Glad to see 11 Cowboys....Mario Williams got hosed though, IMO.

[BeerIsGood!]

To all the people talking shit before the season... Is it ok to refer to Romo as a Pro Bowl QB now, muthafukas?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

About time they take Roy Williams off that shit.

[J.T.]

Cowboys' Greg Ellis, Matt McBriar, Roy Williams and Keith Davis named as alternates.

[Obstructed_View]

Marion Barber? I'm a Cowboys fan, but is there really nobody better than him?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Marion Barber? I'm a Cowboys fan, but is there really nobody better than him?
:lol That's what I was thinking too.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Earnest Graham is having a solid year, but he doesn't have a star on his helmet.

[Fillmoe]

mario got robbed

[Obstructed_View]

:lol That's what I was thinking too.
I was thinking Ryan Grant or something. If Romo can make the pro bowl for less than a season due to his impact, then Grant should make it too. Third down backs get inflated stats.

[TheZackAttack!]

Marion Barber: 1130 total yards, 4.9 ypc. 11tds......part time


Earnest Grahmn: 1190 total yards, 4.1 ypc 10 tds......full time

Pretty close, but this is why Barber gets the nod...runs like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRoQUJWjZJw&NR=1

[samikeyp]

Earnest Graham is having a solid year, but he doesn't have a star on his helmet.

Yes because its a conspiracy. :rolleyes

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Yes because its a conspiracy. :rolleyes

Not at all. They are having very similar years.

If you don't think having the star on his helmet didn't help Barber, you're kidding yourself. The Cowboys have 11 players on the roster, the Bucs zero.

I also think Woodson is a better player and is having a better year than Newman.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I almost forgot Colston. A better selection than Fitz or Driver, IMO.

Is it just me or are there no reps from the NFC South?

[TheZackAttack!]

Not at all. They are having very similar years.

If you don't think having the star on his helmet didn't help Barber, you're kidding yourself. The Cowboys have 11 players on the roster, the Bucs zero.

I also think Woodson is a better player and is having a better year than Newman.

nothing similar but what sticks out is 1 more yard per carry. Barber 4.9, Graham 4.1

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

nothing similar but what sticks out is 1 more yard per carry. Barber 4.9, Graham 4.1

And Chester Taylor has a 5.3 YPC and similar stats as well.

It was a weak year at RB in the NFC, but I think the best choice would have been Ryan Grant.

[samikeyp]

If you don't think having the star on his helmet didn't help Barber, you're kidding yourself. The Cowboys have 11 players on the roster, the Bucs zero

In the sense of him being on the team tied for the best record in the NFC then I agree but if you are saying that the fans, coaches and players who voted for him did so specifically because he is a Cowboys, then I would disagree.

[bostonguy]

Damn right Asaunte Samuel is starting. I will take him over Champ Bailey any day of the week and twice on Sunday! No way Pats let the best shutdown corner in the nfl bolt the team. He is staying. Brady,Moss were givens. Bullshit Wes Welker wasnt on the roster. Welker deserves to be at least a reserve. If Maroney had many more touches and wasnt hurt...hed be coming along as would of Ben Watson. Tony Dungy should have fun coaching this team as the God of all NFL coaches Bill Billichick will be enjoying that weekend with his 4th championship ring.

[mardigan]

Portis should have gone instead of Marion imo. I also cant believe that the possible sack leader this year didnt get in.

[samikeyp]

Yeah, Portis deserved to be there.

Glad to see the NFL kept Sean Taylor's votes active. He would have made it IMO regardless but its still a great tribute.

[dickface]

Portis should have gone instead of Marion imo. I also cant believe that the possible sack leader this year didnt get in.
IMO Mario Williams' sacks this year are exactly like that time Karim Abdul-Jabbar led the league in TD's - big number but no substance. There's better DE's to put in the Pro Bowl ahead of Mario.

[J.T.]

Damn right Asaunte Samuel is starting. I will take him over Champ Bailey any day of the week and twice on Sunday! No way Pats let the best shutdown corner in the nfl bolt the team. He is staying. Brady,Moss were givens. Bullshit Wes Welker wasnt on the roster. Welker deserves to be at least a reserve. If Maroney had many more touches and wasnt hurt...hed be coming along as would of Ben Watson. Tony Dungy should have fun coaching this team as the God of all NFL coaches Bill Billichick will be enjoying that weekend with his 4th championship ring.

So pretty much in conclusion, the Patriots should just send their entire roster to play against each other for four quarters on Feb 10.

[bostonguy]

So pretty much in conclusion, the Patriots should just send their entire roster to play against each other for four quarters on Feb 10.


Pats dont play in the NFc so that isnt possible. Plus the other Patriot stars can take it easy that weekend. They should after all they will be world champions for the 4th time this decade. BTW the NFL coaching God known as Billichick wont be able to run up the score because the Superbowl coaches dont coach the pro bowl. That is the runner ups from both conferences who get that job. So Tony Dungy will have that honor.

[J.T.]

Pats dont play in the NFc so that isnt possible. Plus the other Patriot stars can take it easy that weekend. They should after all they will be world champions for the 4th time this decade. BTW the NFL coaching God known as Billichick wont be able to run up the score because the Superbowl coaches dont coach the pro bowl. That is the runner ups from both conferences who get that job. So Tony Dungy will have that honor.

I know how the Pro Bowl coaching staffs are selected, but when did Bill Billichick coach in the NFL? Must have been before my time, or maybe he's Bill Belichick's good twin operating under a secret identity.

Lulz at this worthless hack of a troll totally taking the bait. Major fail by bostonguy on that post.

[bostonguy]

I know how the Pro Bowl coaching staffs are selected, but when did Bill Billichick coach in the NFL? Must have been before my time, or maybe he's Bill Belichick's good twin operating under a secret identity.

Lulz at this worthless hack of a troll totally taking the bait. Major fail by bostonguy on that post.

The Colts fan response is correcting a name I spelled wrong and then claiming how I "took the bait" when you were the one who responded to my post in the first place. If anyone is taking the bait it's you. It's not my fault you respond to my posts. What a major fail comeback attempt from JT.

[J.T.]

BACKPEDAL :lmao

[bostonguy]

BACKPEDAL :lmao

:sleep :sleep :sleep Whatever makes you feel better about the Colts chances this year.

[J.T.]

Whatever cookie-cutter smack makes you feel better about being a Certified, Grade-A, Established in 2001, Dyed-in-the-Wool Bandwagoner who's going to run and hide once the Pats are eliminated.

"Stephen Gostkowski best kicker in the league!" is enough to discredit anything you say for life. And calling Marvin Harrison a piece of shit. Marv has more class in his little toe than you and your entire team.

[Horry For 3!]

2008 Pro Bowl Rosters

NFC Starters

Offense

QB - Brett Favre, GB
RB - Adrian Peterson, MIN
FB - Tony Richardson, MIN
WR - Larry Fitzgerald, ARI
WR - Terrell Owens, DAL
TE - Jason Witten, DAL
OT - Flozell Adams, DAL
OT - Walter Jones, SEA
G - Leonard Davis, DAL
G - Steve Hutchinson, SEA
C - Andre Guroade, DAL

Steve Hutchinson plays for Minnesota now. I don't know if you messed up or whoever made the list messed up. He used to play for Seattle though.

[Horry For 3!]

damn look at all the love to the dallas oline and the vikings


maybe braylon edwards isn't a bust?
Braylon Edwards was never a bust. He didn't ever have QB who could pass until this year. He still put up pretty good numbers last year with Charlie Frye.

[J.T.]

Steve Hutchinson plays for Minnesota now. I don't know if you messed up or whoever made the list messed up. He used to play for Seattle though.

I just copied and pasted it from a blog, but I edited my post with the fix. Thanks.

[Horry For 3!]

Colombo and Kosier the only lineman who didn't make it for the Cowboys. Might as well put the whole line in there :lol

[bostonguy]

Whatever cookie-cutter smack makes you feel better about being a Certified, Grade-A, Established in 2001, Dyed-in-the-Wool Bandwagoner who's going to run and hide once the Pats are eliminated.

"Stephen Gostkowski best kicker in the league!" is enough to discredit anything you say for life. And calling Marvin Harrison a piece of shit. Marv has more class in his little toe than you and your entire team.

This is coming from a Colts/Spurs fan. Hahahahahahahaha. I am sorry for calling Marvin Harrison a piece of shit. I wasnt talking about class and I should have been more specific. He is a FINISHED OVER THE HILL WASHED UP AGING INJURED PIECE OF SHIT! Marvin hasnt been on a field in almost 2 months. How the fuck do you expect to have success (if any) without him? Anthony Gonzalez is going to be so fucking scared that he will drop passes more than ever when he visits Foxburo next month.


Been a Pats fan since the start of 1998-1999 season. Lost our first game against the Broncos on Monday Night football 27-21. Bledsoe got sacked a few times, Neil Smith from the Broncos got hurt. We also had 2 amazing late game victorys back to back in the middle of the season. A dramatic win over Miami and 6 days later beat Buffalo on a touchdown as time expired. A pass interference call and Ben Coates won the game for us. Pete Carrol was our coach as well. I even remember a dramatic come from behind victory we had against the Colts in 99. Wasn't that when you started to root for them? I have been a fan of the Celts the year Orlando handed us our asses in 1995 and got into red sox baseball the next year. Dont you lecture to me about front running when you have the Spurs and Colts listed as your 2 favorite teams.

[J.T.]

Dont you lecture to me about front running when you have the Spurs and Colts listed as your 2 favorite teams.

Says the guy who makes a troll solely for front running Boston sports teams. This gets better and better each day. :lmao

[Michael Kelso]

Patriots fan calling out a Colts fan for being a front runner? Man, and I thought I'd seen it all in the 70s!

[samikeyp]

Dont you lecture to me about front running when you have the Spurs and Colts listed as your 2 favorite teams.

What does being a Spurs fan have to do with anything?

Unless you are saying all Spurs fans are bandwagoners?

[J.T.]

What does being a Spurs fan have to do with anything?

The Spurs don't play in Boston, and Boston is the only sports town whose teams you can be a fan of without being a front runner.

[Staff Sgt. Dignam]

This Bostonguy is a dirty little hack. He comes on here and is nothing but a poor sport, loud mouth, lace curtain pussy. Hey buddy, I like that the Pats are smashing everyone on the field too. Take a cue from the team and just let all of these haters talk their shit about our Pats. We don't need no goddamn band wagoners like you who ain't even from Boston stinkin' up our great season with your rah-rah bullshit. Let that Dolts fan JT and all of the Dallas Cattlerancher fans dream about beating the Pats and winning the Super Bowl. We both know that ain't gonna happen.

[stretch]

Pats dont play in the NFc so that isnt possible. Plus the other Patriot stars can take it easy that weekend. They should after all they will be world champions for the 4th time this decade. BTW the NFL coaching God known as Billichick wont be able to run up the score because the Superbowl coaches dont coach the pro bowl. That is the runner ups from both conferences who get that job. So Tony Dungy will have that honor.
This moron is like the football forum's version of SpursDynasty. Is this really you, jeff?

[FromWayDowntown]

In the sense of him being on the team tied for the best record in the NFC then I agree but if you are saying that the fans, coaches and players who voted for him did so specifically because he is a Cowboys, then I would disagree.

I don't have time to compile the numbers, but my sense is that when the Cowboys are good like this, they tend to get a boatload of Pro Bowlers -- more than other very good teams. Indianapolis and New England both finished 12-4 last year and had a combined 7 Pro Bowlers (5 for the Colts and 2 for the Pats (one of whom made the trip only because of an injury)). For that matter, when the Colts went 14-2 in 2005, they managed only 5 Pro Bowlers; when the Pats went 14-2 in 2003, they had 3 Pro Bowlers.

The 11 Cowboys going to Hawaii in 2008 is the most representation by any team since 2004 at least (I count that the 1991 Bills also came up with 11 Pro Bowlers); as best I can tell, it's second all-time to the 1966 Chiefs, who put 12 players in the AFL's All-Star game.

I don't think it's a particularly offensive notion to think that being a Cowboy helps one's chances to make the Pro Bowl -- it's a symbol of the team's popularity; a bit like being a Yankee at All-Star Game time.

[samikeyp]

One of the early 90's Dallas teams had 11 as well. EDIT: It was 1993.

I just don't believe, as many do, that the league sits behind closed doors and dictates outcomes. I do think that the pro bowl voting is done the best way of the major sports. 1/3 fans, 1/3 coaches and 1/3 players.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I didn't mean it as a league-wide conspiracy type thing at all.


If Ryan Grant and Barber switched teams, who do you think would have been voted to the PB?

[samikeyp]

Not sure...the outcome could have been the same way, or Grant could have made it or neither of them could.

And I never said you did.

[ATRAIN]

Yeah I read an article saying that Mario's stats came too late in the season and that is why he was snubbed. Hey he might luck out like VY and sneak in.

[samikeyp]

The Commish can still name a "Need Player" can't he?

[TheZackAttack!]

I didn't mean it as a league-wide conspiracy type thing at all.


If Ryan Grant and Barber switched teams, who do you think would have been voted to the PB?


Barber would, getting the full load in Green Bay.

[FromWayDowntown]

One of the early 90's Dallas teams had 11 as well. EDIT: It was 1993.

I just don't believe, as many do, that the league sits behind closed doors and dictates outcomes. I do think that the pro bowl voting is done the best way of the major sports. 1/3 fans, 1/3 coaches and 1/3 players.

I'm not saying these are dictated outcomes -- I am saying that your team is more likely to have a lot of players in the Pro Bowl if it is, arguably, the most popular team and the highest profile team in the sport.

I'm not convinced that this Cowboys' team has more talent than the 2007 Pats, the 2005 Colts, or the 2004 Colts -- nevertheless, it certainly has more all-star players than any of those teams. I don't think that's just coincidence.

[samikeyp]

I'm not saying these are dictated outcomes -- I am saying that your team is more likely to have a lot of players in the Pro Bowl if it is, arguably, the most popular team and the highest profile team in the sport.

I wasn't accusing you of such.

[samikeyp]

I'm not convinced that this Cowboys' team has more talent than the 2007 Pats, the 2005 Colts, or the 2004 Colts -- nevertheless, it certainly has more all-star players than any of those teams. I don't think that's just coincidence.

I would agree but the NFC is weaker than the AFC this year as well as in those years. If both pro bowl teams were drawn from the entire league instead of per conference, I highly doubt the Cowboys would have 11 but given the weaker state of the Conference it is possible.

[J.T.]

This moron is like the football forum's version of SpursDynasty. Is this really you, jeff?

Yeah. I can't wait till the Pats are bounced and he moves his shit to the NBA section, where I won't see most of it.

[BeerIsGood!]

The Cowboys getting 11 in is surprising, but 2 of those are the kicker and punter. McBriar definitely deserves to be in, and Folk got in mainly from that repeat 53 yarders he kicked on MNF to win the Buffalo game. It is a popularity contest just like every other all star game, and Barber got in because of his good stats playing part time but mostly because of his popularity as a bruiser who loves contact. I don't put much stock in the Pro Bowl or other awards in sports because the pure subjective nature of them leads to nothing but popularity contests.


If you really want to talk about someone getting completely snubbed, how about the Jaguars? Posting that good of a record in the AFC with a probable playoff berth and no one gets in? No Fred Taylor?

[samikeyp]

McBriar didn't get in. Lee from SF is the punter.

[BeerIsGood!]

McBriar didn't get in. Lee from SF is the punter.

Oh, he was listed but as an alternate. Nevermind.

[samikeyp]

Its cool....McBriar would have been deserving too.

[mardigan]

Poor Fred Taylor is never going to make a Pro-Bowl, guy will go down as one of the most underated running backs ever.

[Purple & Gold]

Seahawks well represented. :toast

[2centsworth]

Poor Fred Taylor is never going to make a Pro-Bowl, guy will go down as one of the most underated running backs ever.
though he's playing well now, in his prime he was sensational.

[DallasFan]

I almost forgot Colston. A better selection than Fitz or Driver, IMO.

Is it just me or are there no reps from the NFC South?

Look at the teams... :drunk

[DallasFan]

One of the early 90's Dallas teams had 11 as well. EDIT: It was 1993.

I just don't believe, as many do, that the league sits behind closed doors and dictates outcomes. I do think that the pro bowl voting is done the best way of the major sports. 1/3 fans, 1/3 coaches and 1/3 players.

And remember, our punter Mat McBriar didn't make the list, and I thought he was a shoe-in.

[MajorMike]

Fan voting is awful. Look no further than Barber, the back RB in Dallas and 11th in ypg/7th total yds/12th in ypc making the team as a RB. What a complete crock.

How someone like Earnest Graham who comes in when everyone is injured including his QB and leads his team who no one gave ANY chance to a division crown and yet he is 6th in ypg and 2nd in TDs, yet Barber goes instead is amazing.

Portis and James are both over 1000 yards and don't get in. Ryan Gant for the Pack only 6 rushes until the 8th week of the season, yet is 10th in rushing and only 72 yards behind Barber. Hell, Jacobs 72 yards less than Barber and he missed 6 weeks and was injured just 6 carries into a 7th.

Just like Homo last year making it over the Eagles' homo, and I-don't-cover-just-hit Williams making it these past few years, the NFL has turned what once could be a career defining achievment into a joke.

[TheZackAttack!]

Fan voting is awful. Look no further than Barber, the back RB in Dallas and 11th in ypg/7th total yds/12th in ypc making the team as a RB. What a complete crock.

How someone like Earnest Graham who comes in when everyone is injured including his QB and leads his team who no one gave ANY chance to a division crown and yet he is 6th in ypg and 2nd in TDs, yet Barber goes instead is amazing.

Portis and James are both over 1000 yards and don't get in. Ryan Gant for the Pack only 6 rushes until the 8th week of the season, yet is 10th in rushing and only 72 yards behind Barber. Hell, Jacobs 72 yards less than Barber and he missed 6 weeks and was injured just 6 carries into a 7th.

Just like Homo last year making it over the Eagles' homo, and I-don't-cover-just-hit Williams making it these past few years, the NFL has turned what once could be a career defining achievment into a joke.


Marion Barber: 1130 total yards, 4.9 ypc. 11tds......PART TIME


Earnest Grahmn: 1190 total yards, 4.1 ypc 10 tds......FULL TIME
Pretty close, but this is why Barber gets the nod...runs like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRoQUJWjZJw&NR=1


Dont let your hatred of the Cowboys fuck with your head. Barber is far more of a difference maker than Grahmn, Grant, Portis, and Jacobs

[samikeyp]

Fan voting is awful, that is why the NFL doesn't leave it up to just the fans. Its 1/3 fans, 1/3 players and 1/3 coaches.

[J.T.]

Justice served for Taylor in a sad way... Parker injured tonight against the Rams.

[MajorMike]

Dont let your hatred of the Cowboys fuck with your head. Barber is far more of a difference maker than Grahmn, Grant, Portis, and Jacobs


Marion Barber: 1130 total yards, 4.9 ypc. 11tds......PART TIME


Earnest Grahmn: 1190 total yards, 4.1 ypc 10 tds......FULL TIME


Well, 1st of all, brainiac, we are talking rushing.

Barber does not have 1130 yards rushing, he has 871. Graham (extra a by the way) has 887.

Graham is now full time; however he was not full time until Williams blew himself up in the 5th week of the season. Therefore his 1st start was week 6.

Ok so you want to count catches to make your case somehow feasable.

Barber has 40 catches for 259 yards. Graham has 47 catches for 313 yards.


Dont let your hatred of the Cowboys fuck with your head. Barber is far more of a difference maker than Grahmn, Grant, Portis, and Jacobs

Wow, talk about losing all credibility in one continous motion.

[J.T.]

Well, 1st of all, brainiac, we are talking rushing.


Zack's post says "total yards" clear as day... so way to waste an entire post trying to make a point that was already made, genius.

[TheZackAttack!]

Well, 1st of all, brainiac, we are talking rushing.

Barber does not have 1130 yards rushing, he has 871. Graham (extra a by the way) has 887.

Graham is now full time; however he was not full time until Williams blew himself up in the 5th week of the season. Therefore his 1st start was week 6.

Ok so you want to count catches to make your case somehow feasable.

Barber has 40 catches for 259 yards. Graham has 47 catches for 313 yards.



Wow, talk about losing all credibility in one continous motion.

Fucking read okay, I said total yards, not rushing yards. When evaluating a RB you don't just look at their rushing yards. Brian Westbrook case in point. All those numbers you posted I obviously already looked at and did the math on. But thanks for posting them. It just shows how close Barbers and Grahams numbers are.

Yeah, so Graham been a full time starter since week 6. But Barber has NEVER been a full time starter and still has pretty much the same yardage, rushing and recieving, as Graham. With more tds than Graham. Thanks for making my point even more clear.

[Emily Rose]

:devil :devil :cooldevil :cooldevil

[slayermin]

Welker deserves to be on the team.

[J.T.]

Welker deserves to be on the team.

You understand the irony of him saying "You fucking suck!" to Pro Bowlers though, right?

[TheZackAttack!]

In another year, Welker might be worthy of a pro-bowl nod with his numbers this year, but this year there were just too many other WRs in the AFC with gaudy numbers for him to make it. Moss, Wayne, Braylon, T.J., Chad, Marshall, Welker is the pecking order IMO. By the way who did Welker say "you fucking suck" too? I missed that.

[slayermin]

You understand the irony of him saying "You fucking suck!" to Pro Bowlers though, right?

When did he say that?

I hate the Pats but the dude deserves credit for running all the pass patterns in the slot.

[J.T.]

When did he say that?

I hate the Pats but the dude deserves credit for running all the pass patterns in the slot.

He said it to a Colts DB when he caught the third down pass that let them run the clock out on Indy.

[TheZackAttack!]

I was only a matter of time that Welker turns into a little bitch now that he has been wearing the pats uniform for a few months now.

[J.T.]

The Patriots don't deserve credit for shit. All they have done is throw deep shit to Randy Moss all year and Randy Moss is god in a football uniform, so of course he catches everything. They ran the score on Joe Gibbs of all people. I can understand running the score on Mangini and the Cowboys...but not Joe Gibbs. And if it wasn't apparent that their success was the result of voodoo magic coupled with a deal with Satan before the Eagles game...

1. AJ Feeley throws a fucking lights out game until late in the fourth quarter when the Pats have a three point lead. Asante Samuel picks him off, the Eagles get the ball back, and Feeley gets picked again. So strange that the Pats get rocked for nearly the whole game and only when the game is on the line does Feeley get picked? That's some Satanic voodoo shit and we al know it.

2. Ravens game... Ravens and McGahee make the Pats their bitch for the whole game and then all hell breaks loose. Pats get stopped on 4th down but noooooo, Ravens call time out. Ravens commit about five penalties in the row getting the Pats that much closer to the goal line, and then Brady throws a TD to Gaffney who does not have possession as he is going out of bounds. Booth review, catch is upheld. You could chalk it up to voodoo magic again, but Kyle Boller throws a hail mary and it's caught at the three yard line. THREE YARDS! Fuck this voodoo shit.

3. Late TD the Jets made last week. Yeah they probably don't get the onside kick anyway but that would have made it 17-14 with at least a shot at forcing OT for them. Booth review, TD is overturned.

The Pats have made a deal with Satan and someone in their organization is practicing voodoo magic.

[samikeyp]

Why the Cowboys? Unless to send the other conference a message.

[J.T.]

Why the Cowboys? Unless to send the other conference a message.

Because a lot of people hate the Cowboys, and maybe because Parcells built that team? I don't know.

[samikeyp]

Welker has had a good year but for those who think he should go...who do you drop?

[BeerIsGood!]

I'm sure worse things are said on the football field every Sunday in the fall and winter than "You fucking suck". Why are some people (ok, one person) making a big deal out of that? Shit talking is routine, it happens at every level of sports. Anyone who takes it seriously must not have ever been in the trenches. It's a non-issue.

[BeerIsGood!]

Welker has had a good year but for those who think he should go...who do you drop?


Moss. Now that would be funny.

[Tom Brady]

This was a no brainer... I'm going to love seeing that bitch Peyton come off the bench for me.

[Obstructed_View]

Meh, it's all cyclical, and somebody gets screwed every year. The Cowboys have had some good teams in the past, and this year's team has the best record of any of them thus far. They were also playing really well as of the time most of the votes were coming in. It's not surprising that they got a lot of guys in. There are previous years where the defense was really good but they lost a lot of 13-10 games and the only guy that got voted in was Williams. Since the game itself is a joke and nobody really wants to go, it hardly matters. It used to be a big honor when players didn't make enough money to afford a trip to Hawaii.

[slayermin]

Welker has had a good year but for those who think he should go...who do you drop?

You have a point. I really couldn't drop any of the guys on the team now.

I just wanted to give props to Welker since he went to school in Texas. Also at his size, he has serious nads to run all those pass routes around linebackers.