View Full Version : ***OFFICIAL UFC 79 Nemesis Discussion Thread!***
dallaskd
12-23-2007, 03:14 PM
Event: UFC 79: “Nemesis”
Date: Saturday, December 29, 2007, at 10 p.m. EST on pay-per-view (PPV)
Location: The Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada
Main Event:
Matt Hughes (41-5) vs. Georges St. Pierre (14-2)
Main card (televised):
205 lbs.: Chuck Liddell (20-5) vs. Wanderlei Silva (31-7-1)
205 lbs.: Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (4-1) vs. Lyoto Machida (11-0)
155 lbs.: Rich Clementi (28-12-1) vs. Melvin Guillard (20-6-2)
Hvywt.: Eddie Sanchez (7-1) vs. Soa Palalei (8-1)
Under card (may not be broadcast):
205 lbs.: James Irvin (12-4) vs. Luis Cane (7-0)
155 lbs.: Manny Gamburyan (5-2) vs. Nate Mohr (8-4)
185 lbs.: Dean Lister (9-5) vs. Jordan Radev (11-2)
170 lbs.: Roan Carneiro (11-6) vs. Tony DeSouza (10-3)
155 lbs.: Doug Evans (5-1) vs. Mark Bocek (4-1)
Liddell vs Silva Preview:
coiK7tLEPiY
St Pierre vs Hughes Preview:
LuCe9EvxmiQ
dallaskd
12-23-2007, 03:17 PM
My Picks:
Matt Hughes vs. Georges St. Pierre
Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Lyoto Machida
Rich Clementi vs. Melvin Guillard
Eddie Sanchez vs. Soa Palalei
James Irvin vs. Luis Cane
Manny Gamburyan vs. Nate Mohr
Dean Lister vs. Jordan Radev
Roan Carneiro vs. Tony DeSouza
Doug Evans vs. Mark Bocek
Matt Hughes vs. Georges St. Pierre
Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Lyoto Machida
Rich Clementi vs. Melvin Guillard
Eddie Sanchez vs. Soa Palalei
James Irvin vs. Luis Cane
Manny Gamburyan vs. Nate Mohr
Dean Lister vs. Jordan Radev
Roan Carneiro vs. Tony DeSouza
Doug Evans vs. Mark Bocek
F-ING Eddie Sanchez.....
dallaskd
12-23-2007, 04:12 PM
UFC 79 Tele-conferences...
http://mrsunshinevegas.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/matt-hughes-ufc-79-tele-conference/
very interesting
desflood
12-23-2007, 07:10 PM
I think I'll go snort some coke. Maybe Dana White will reward me for it by putting me on t.v.
Why can Melvin get away with being such a dumbass and I can't?
Rip-Hamilton32
12-23-2007, 10:45 PM
no title fights but still a pretty sweet card, i think chuck will win but imo it should be his last fight win,lose or draw but with a win over silva it would be a good way to end his career i just don't think he could beat rampage as long as hes champ
dallaskd
12-23-2007, 11:38 PM
no title fights but still a pretty sweet card, i think chuck will win but imo it should be his last fight win,lose or draw but with a win over silva it would be a good way to end his career i just don't think he could beat rampage as long as hes champ
Yeah I dont think he could take the belt from forrest either..
:rolleyes
Rip-Hamilton32
12-24-2007, 02:04 AM
Yeah I dont think he could take the belt from forrest either..
:rolleyes
lol forrest vs chuck would be the most wreckless fight ever both guys fight with no style just swing lol
desflood
12-24-2007, 06:55 AM
It's time we started giving Forrest a little more credit. You don't beat Shogun (even an injured Shogun) by being reckless. He's a much smarter fighter than he used to be. Praise be to Randy Couture.
oligarchy
12-24-2007, 03:46 PM
Matt Hughes vs. Georges St. Pierre
Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Lyoto Machida
Rich Clementi vs. Melvin Guillard
Eddie Sanchez vs. Soa Palalei
James Irvin vs. Luis Cane
Manny Gamburyan vs. Nate Mohr
Dean Lister vs. Jordan Radev
Roan Carneiro vs. Tony DeSouza
Doug Evans vs. Mark Bocek
dallaskd
12-24-2007, 03:55 PM
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Lyoto Machida
die
:lol
dallaskd
12-24-2007, 05:52 PM
good article on soku..
Sokoudjou Arrives in the UFC with Power, Expectations, and a Smile
By Thomas Gerbasi
For someone who talks freely of the daily beatings he takes at the renowned Team Quest gym in Southern California, you wouldn’t expect Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou to be as happy go lucky as he is after another long day of training.
Yet for each day of torture at the hands of Dan Henderson and company, he gets a little bit better and moves one step closer to victory on fight night. That would make anybody smile.
“I’d rather get beat up in the gym than in the ring, and trust me, I’ve seen some other guys in the gym laughing and enjoying it as well,” said Sokoudjou, who at 23 years old and with just five pro MMA fights under his belt, makes one of the most highly anticipated UFC debuts in recent history when he takes on Lyoto Machida at UFC 79 on Saturday. “I get yelled at and kicked at every day in the gym, and I love it, but that’s the price you pay.”
Willing to pay that price, the native of Hom’la, Cameroon, comes to the Octagon with high expectations, the likes of which you usually don’t see placed on the shoulders of young men who haven’t hit double digits in their fight careers yet. But with a year like he’s had already, it’s hard not to get excited about the prospect of him throwing hands with the best in the world in the UFC.
Starting off his second year as a pro fighter with a 2-1 record, and coming off a loss in a WEC show against Glover Teixeira, Sokoudjou could have been one of any faceless prospects in a sea of competitors. But fight insiders spoke highly of ‘The African Assassin’, who came to the United States at 16 in order to train more extensively in judo, with the eventual goal being a spot in the 2004 Olympics.
It was supposed to be a stay of six months.
“My family knew I was in love with judo and I wanted to go to the Olympics, so I was going to come here for six months,” he recalled. “After that I was supposed to go back, but I got here, I loved it, and I stayed. I wanted to go to school as well and I heard there were more opportunities and there was always something to do.”
Visa issues kept Sokoudjou from the Olympics, yet despite being far away from his home, he found a new one with Henderson and the Team Quest squad, and also discovered a new love in the process – mixed martial arts. But while he attacked the sport with a fervor, he was still dealing with life in a new country, something he admits he still is coming to grips with.
“As of today I still have a culture shock because there are some things I do that I think are normal to do, but then I always get frustrated when I think maybe I should have done something different,” he said. “So I’m still dealing with the cultural differences and the culture shock. As far as language, I do the best I can.”
By 2006, Sokoudjou – who speaks English better than plenty US natives – was deemed ready for the pro game, and he quickly won two bouts before getting caught and stopped early against Teixeira. Next came the offer of a fight in PRIDE in February against world-ranked Antonio Rogerio Nogueira. On paper, it was a mismatch; in reality, it was anything but that, and Sokoudjou didn’t hesitate to take the bout.
“If they had told me ‘hey, you’re fighting Nogueira tonight,’ I would have been like ‘uh, maybe not,’” he laughs. “But I had eight weeks to get ready for it, I had a whole camp of them beating my ass every day to get ready for it, so I had enough time to prepare myself for that fight.”
All that work in the gym got Sokoudjou a 23 second night of work in the ring, as he blasted Nogueira out with a single left hook in the first round. It was a coming out party like no other, shocking the MMA world in the process.
“People didn’t know me before that fight,” he said. “I was just the random guy coming out of nowhere. But the people who knew me weren’t surprised with the outcome of the fight because I had done it before.”
Less than two months later he did it again, knocking out Ricardo Arona in less than two minutes in the final PRIDE show on April 8th. There would be no more quizzical looks, no more ‘Soko-Who’ from casual fans. Sokoudjou had arrived on the world scene in less time than it takes to complete one round in a mixed martial arts fight. But while message boards and blogs sung his praises, back home in Cameroon, his parents assumed he was just another student trying to carve out his piece of the American Dream.
“My parents don’t know I’m a pro fighter,” said Sokoudjou when asked his parents’ reaction to his success in MMA.
They don’t know?
“Hell no, they’d kill me.”
His brother, a doctor, does know of his younger brother’s profession though, and tried to get him to reconsider.
“I have a brother who studied in Russia, he’s got two PhD’s, and he’s the smart guy of the family,” said Sokoudjou, one of four brothers, who hasn’t been home since leaving at 16. “My brother knows that I’m a fighter and he tried to talk me out of it. He said ‘Why do I need to do this when I could go to school, and how am I gonna tell my parents?’ We had a big talk about it.”
To no avail though, as Sokoudjou can’t shake the fighting bug, at least not now.
“I’m going back to school next semester,” he said, “but I’ve always been in sports and it’s just something I do and I love it. There’s nothing else there I want to do more than fighting right now.”
After he knocked Arona out though, Sokoudjou’s fight career was on hold after PRIDE was sold to UFC ownership and he became a free agent. Organizations around the world wooed the highly-touted prospect, but when all was said and done, he inked a deal with the UFC.
“The UFC’s got the toughest fighters and I like the challenge,” said Sokoudjou of his decision. “It wouldn’t make sense for me to go anywhere else, where there will be what people call ‘easy’ fights and I’ll get all lazy. When you fight in the UFC, you know every single fight will be a war, and I have to stay in the gym every day to stay sharp.”
He’s not kidding, and Sokoudjou didn’t get any favors with his first Octagon opponent – Machida – a crafty veteran whose patient counterstriking style can wreck havoc with anyone’s gameplan when the bell rings.
“He’s pretty much a complete fighter,” said Sokoudjou of Machida. “He’s a tough guy, he’s never lost, and he’s a good counterpuncher, but this is the fight game and I’ve had eight weeks to study his style and make it as comfortable as I can for me to get out there and do what I need to do. I’ve been watching a bunch of tapes trying to figure out his weaknesses.”
And he’s got Henderson doing his best to pound out his stablemate’s weaknesses in the gym.
“He’s been a mentor,” said Sokoudjou of the former two-division PRIDE champion. “Whenever I’m down he always finds a way to talk to me, and in the gym whenever I slack off, he always punches me on the nose and hurts me (Laughs), so he’s been a good mentor. He’s been punching and kicking me and helping me a lot mentally and all that stuff.”
But all joking aside, many expect Sokoudjou to step into the UFC and continue on the same road he began earlier this year in PRIDE, walking through the best in the world en route to the 205-pound belt worn by Quinton Jackson. Don’t expect the soft-spoken West African to be the one driving the hype train though.
“I’m there to learn,” he said. “I’m not gonna get there thinking I’m the big thing or whatever they want to call me. That’s one of the reasons why I don’t get on any of the forums, and I try to stay away from people coming with all that stuff. I’m just learning, I’m new to the sport, and all I know is getting in the gym, training, and getting some good fights. And that’s what I’m doing right now.”
It’s hard not to get excited about a fighter who has knockout power in both fists and feet, who has world-class judo skills and who is training with one of the best teams in the business though. And while Sokoudjou downplays all the attention surrounding him, he is enjoying the ride so far.
“I enjoy the sport,” he said. “For me, it’s much more of a passion than making it all serious and as if my life depended on it. I’m a fan first, and I enjoy watching the fights, but it’s even more exciting when I’m part of it, so for me it’s a pretty exciting experience.”
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=9276
die
:lol
Machida is a badass and Soku is rusty. Initially I picked him as well.
dallaskd
12-24-2007, 07:38 PM
Machida is a badass and Soku is rusty. Initially I picked him as well.
I'll go with Soku on his word that hes been training for 8 months. Machida can't finish a fight. If Machida wins it's because he walks away and counters everything Sokoudjou throws. In the clinch soku wins. On the ground soku wins. And if Machida wants to throw hands and brawl with him he will get knocked out.
Sokoudjou by KO in the second round.
LEONARD
12-28-2007, 10:06 AM
Not really sure how Eddie Sanchez got on another main card…I hope he gets his head knocked off.
I hope we get to see Bocek vs Evans…
If Machida makes this fight boring, then he can make any fight boring. I hope Sokoudjou rolls him.
Guillard and Clementi hate each other (got into a fight in Feb)…should be interesting. Good to see that testing positive for cocaine gets you right back onto a main card after the suspension is over (Guillard).
Very interested to see Cane’s UFC debut…he looked good at Art of War in Dallas this year.
If you haven’t caught “Countdown to UFC 79” and “All Access: Wanderlei” yet, look for the replays! I think Hughes and Liddell are in trouble based solely on training partners and training intensity. Wanderlei’s training is crazy intense…Sherk-like (hopefully without the roids!). GSP has a great group of training partners (Jardine, Evans, Kang, etc). Hughes is training at a rec center with some dudes and an injured Lawler. And they couldn’t show the super secret pit training of Chuck’s…I doubt if we missed anything worth seeing. :lol
EDIT...here is Wanderlei's training (video)
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=701737
Press Conf Pics
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5355&zoneid=13
Pre fight and press conf videos
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=Multimedia.home
Chuck on ESPN’s Hot List
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/27/ufc-79-video-chuck-liddell-on-espnews-hot-list/
Preview Videos on ESPN
Chuck
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/26/ufc-79-video-chuck-liddell-pretty-sure-he-can-knock-out-wanderlei-silva/
Wandy
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/26/ufc-79-video-wanderlei-silva-breaks-down-chuck-liddell/
GSP
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/26/ufc-79-video-st-pierre-still-looks-up-to-hughes/
Hughes
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/26/ufc-79-video-hughes-says-gsp-is-better-than-serra/
MMAWeekly preview/predictions
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5346
MMAMania preview/predictions
http://mmamania.com/2007/12/27/ufc-79-quick-preview-analysis-and-predictions/
Some old school bare-knuckle Wanderlei just because…
http://bloodyelbow.com/story/2007/12/27/2140/2818
LEONARD
12-28-2007, 11:22 AM
Hughes’ camp vs GSP’s camp (videos)
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=701492
:lol
Man I can't wait for this card! I haven't been this excited for a fight in a long time.
I'll go with Soku on his word that hes been training for 8 months. Machida can't finish a fight. If Machida wins it's because he walks away and counters everything Sokoudjou throws. In the clinch soku wins. On the ground soku wins. And if Machida wants to throw hands and brawl with him he will get knocked out.
Sokoudjou by KO in the second round.
I can't tell if you're overrating Sokoudjou or underrating Machida..... :spin
Soul_Patch
12-28-2007, 12:12 PM
I am really excited for this one too. I think the lidel v silva fight is going to be one of the best ever.
I see chucks career ending tomorrow night though.
cornbread
12-28-2007, 12:39 PM
Matt Hughes (41-5) vs. Georges St. Pierre (14-2)
Chuck Liddell (20-5) vs. Wanderlei Silva (31-7-1)
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (4-1) vs. Lyoto Machida (11-0)
Rich Clementi (28-12-1) vs. Melvin Guillard (20-6-2)
Eddie Sanchez (7-1) vs. Soa Palalei (8-1)
James Irvin (12-4) vs. Luis Cane (7-0)
Manny Gamburyan (5-2) vs. Nate Mohr (8-4)
Dean Lister (9-5) vs. Jordan Radev (11-2)
Roan Carneiro (11-6) vs. Tony DeSouza (10-3)
Doug Evans (5-1) vs. Mark Bocek (4-1)
cornbread with the contraversial picks!
oligarchy
12-28-2007, 03:17 PM
one more freaking day. it's like waiting for christmas.
LEONARD
12-28-2007, 03:57 PM
lol...weigh-ins are at 5:00 Central time on yahoo sports...
LEONARD
12-28-2007, 04:28 PM
GSP to tryout for the Canadian Olympic wrestling team...
http://fightlinker.com/?p=1284
Interesting.
Big name or true talent?
LEONARD
12-28-2007, 04:35 PM
We'll know after the 3rd time he stuffs Hughes before knocking his head off... :fro
true talent at just wrestling I meant. Canadian wrestling is premier level, I think
cornbread
12-29-2007, 12:42 PM
cornbread with the contraversial picks!
Just take it easy on me if they all turn out to be wrong.
Mr Dio
12-29-2007, 10:49 PM
Joe Rogan, "This ain't Jap." As a UFC fighter takes down yet another GREAT pride fighter.
dallaskd
12-30-2007, 02:01 PM
Sokoudjou looked like crap. I was completely wrong but he's still only 23 and will be a champ someday. He just needs time. I'm still not sold on Machida. He just studies the crap out of his opponents and knows how to slowly pick them apart. I don't really understand why people struggle with him, but I'd love to see him face the elite of 205.
desflood
12-30-2007, 02:11 PM
I'm going to speak my piece that probably won't win me any friends.
I was disappointed in Chuck in the third round. Silva was tottering right at the edge of being knocked out - and instead of taking the risk of being hit and going for it, Chuck went for the easy decision win. It was the smart move, of course, but it didn't win him any respect from me.
Did anybody else happen to notice the piece of Sokoudjou's weave that fell out onto the floor during his fight? :lol
dallaskd
12-30-2007, 02:13 PM
Did anybody else happen to notice the piece of Sokoudjou's weave that fell out onto the floor during his fight? :lol
haha no im going to have to watch the fight again
funny...no. hah
Machida (I think he is too small for LHW really) is a very very smart fighter, a lot like Okami. Seeing them fight would be a fascinating technical match but an absolute snooze fest.
Sokoudjou simply was not aggressive. He was freaked out.
dallaskd
12-30-2007, 03:13 PM
I hope they never put Eddie Sanchez on a freaking main card again.
I honestly think now they thought he was going to get smashed to pieces.
dallaskd
12-31-2007, 02:07 PM
It was announced during the UFC 79 "Nemesis" post-fight press conference by company president Dana White who got the bonuses for knockout, submission and fight of the night.
The fight of the night, which is no surprise - went to Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva. Both fighters received an additional $50,000 to their contracted purses (Liddell received $500,000, Silva a cool $150,000).
Submission of the night honors were given to Georges St. Pierre for his armbar victory over Matt Hughes in their interim Welterweight title rubber match. The armbar victory gave him an additional $50,000, which adds to his $160,000 official fight purse.
Due to lack of options, knockout of the night went to Eddie Sanchez, for his stoppage of the newcomer Sao Palelei. Sanchez received $50,000 on top of his contracted salary.
http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Official-UFC-79-Best-Fight-KO--Submission-Bonus-Pay-Outs.html
dallaskd
12-31-2007, 02:08 PM
Nate Mohr suffered a torn ACL in last night's match with Manny Gamburyan when Gamburyan used an ankle lock on him. We haven't gotten any updates on Wanderlei Silva or James Irvin, who were both hospitalized and given MRIs.
http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Mohr-Tears-ACL-Silva-Irvin-Hospitalized---Given-MRIs.html
dallaskd
12-31-2007, 02:09 PM
It was confirmed during the UFC 79 "Nemesis" post-fight press conference by company president Dana White that the show drew 11,075 fans for a $4.9 million gate.
According to White, that is the largest live gate for any MMA show in the United States for the year of 2007.
http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Live-Gate-Attendance-Figures-For-UFC-79-Nemesis.html
dbreiden83080
12-31-2007, 06:01 PM
It was announced during the UFC 79 "Nemesis" post-fight press conference by company president Dana White who got the bonuses for knockout, submission and fight of the night.
The fight of the night, which is no surprise - went to Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva. Both fighters received an additional $50,000 to their contracted purses (Liddell received $500,000, Silva a cool $150,000).
Submission of the night honors were given to Georges St. Pierre for his armbar victory over Matt Hughes in their interim Welterweight title rubber match. The armbar victory gave him an additional $50,000, which adds to his $160,000 official fight purse.
Due to lack of options, knockout of the night went to Eddie Sanchez, for his stoppage of the newcomer Sao Palelei. Sanchez received $50,000 on top of his contracted salary.
http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Official-UFC-79-Best-Fight-KO--Submission-Bonus-Pay-Outs.html
Yeah and Chuck gets a ton of money off the PPV buys as well. He made something like 17 mil last year in all his fights. I am sure GSP gets a chunk of the PPV buys as well he probably walked away with half a mil or more on that fight. These guys are still underpaid when compared to boxing but it is coming around.
Yeah and Chuck gets a ton of money off the PPV buys as well. He made something like 17 mil last year in all his fights. I am sure GSP gets a chunk of the PPV buys as well he probably walked away with half a mil or more on that fight. These guys are still underpaid when compared to boxing but it is coming around.
Its going to take time. This is such a new sport. :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy
LEONARD
01-02-2008, 10:31 AM
Clementi... :fro
Sanchez... :bang (and he got KO of the Night bonus? uggh!!)
Machida.... damn good but frustrating to watch usually. Surprised he was able to finish Sokoudjou, given his history. Chuck vs Machida for #1 contender after Rampage and Forrest fight?
Chuck... excellent showing by Chuck. He looked his better (physically) than he has in his past few fights, and he showed some new stuff (for him). Spinning backfist and takedowns, for example. Wand brought out the best in him. Very entertaining fight.
GSP... :fro He's just too good...
Very disappointed in Sok's performance...he looked lost. I think he has a big future in the sport though. Definitely needs more work off his back. Might need to branch out beyond Quest at some point. Loved the predator mask, but that was the only good thing he did all night... :lol
It seemed like Silva fought for entertainment value more than anything, and he didn't land that big punch...he basically said as much before the fight (said something about win or lose he'll be back because he has a 4 fight deal). Seems like clinching more and throwing more leg kicks would've been a better gameplan. He certainly brought it and represented well though. The only way I'll be disappointed is if he pisses hot. Everything about him was class before, during, and after the fight. Wand's chin was crazy in that fight...many of those punches that he survived have dropped many before him. His ridiculous cardio saved him from being KO'd. Would have liked to have seen that be a 5 rd fight. I wish they could designate certain non-title fights as 5 rds. Especially top contender fights, and LW fights. 3 rds isn't enough for certain matchups. Dana wants 5 rd non-title and 7 rd title but it's not up to him.
GSP is just on a different level...that judo throw was just the icing on the cake. His way of showing Hughes how much more skilled he is. No way in hell Serra beats him again. I want to see GSP vs Fitch at some point...
dbreiden83080
01-02-2008, 10:53 AM
Its going to take time. This is such a new sport. :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy :greedy
Dana is still screwing these guys i mean when you are on a card for a UFC event and making 8-10 grand a fight, something is wrong.
No, thats not accurate. We haven't the faintest idea what these guys make. Thats simply a "to show and to win" pay.
oligarchy
01-02-2008, 11:35 AM
Overall, it was a good night of fights.
Clementi and Guillard was fun to watch -- especially post fight
Sanchez and Palalei -- ok..
Chuck and Wandy -- good fight and good win for Chuck. I was a bit disappointed at him not trying to finish the fight. Watching the clock and grinding out the win is stealing a page from Tim Sylvia. He had the fight won, but he also had Sylvia teetering. I guess he just didn't want to risk losing from a wild punch.
GSP vs Hughes -- wow did GSP look freaking huge. I don't think I have ever seen him look that big. If he stays that size, there is nobody that's going to beat him. He just mauled Hughes from start to finish. I loved Hughes saying "I know" when Lawler said something to effect of "You're still ok"
Machida and Sokodjou was another good showing for Machida. I knew Machida was going to be a matchup problem (for anyone). He has too much skill and even though he looks small, I think he'd matchup well against anyone at 205. I read that him and Chuck might fight next. This is very bad for Chuck as Machida is as much of a counter puncher as Chuck, but has great kicks. It'll be like the Jardine fight.
dbreiden83080
01-02-2008, 12:14 PM
No, thats not accurate. We haven't the faintest idea what these guys make. Thats simply a "to show and to win" pay.
Yes it is accurate, the only guys in the UFC that are making good money are the stars that get a cut of the PPV buys. You think Dana is giving a relative unknown on the undercard a cut of that, not on your life. That was the bone of contention with Randy and the UFC. He claimed he got about 200 grand a fight but the UFC released records showing he was paid about a mil for his last 2 fights thanks to his cut of the PPV. When you see a payout for a lesser fighter of about 10-15 grand that is it. He is not getting any portion of the ppv buys.
Yes it is accurate, the only guys in the UFC that are making good money are the stars that get a cut of the PPV buys. You think Dana is giving a relative unknown on the undercard a cut of that, not on your life. That was the bone of contention with Randy and the UFC. He claimed he got about 200 grand a fight but the UFC released records showing he was paid about a mil for his last 2 fights thanks to his cut of the PPV. When you see a payout for a lesser fighter of about 10-15 grand that is it. He is not getting any portion of the ppv buys.
You need to re-read some of the writes ups that explain UFC pay structure after this Randy mess.
Start with whatever Kevin Iole wrote for yahoo.
Who by the way was bashed by nearly every blog, website and Randy himself only to be vindicated.
All I am saying is we have NO CLUE what they make.
dbreiden83080
01-02-2008, 12:31 PM
You need to re-read some of the writes ups that explain UFC pay structure after this Randy mess.
Start with whatever Kevin Iole wrote for yahoo.
Who by the way was bashed by nearly every blog, website and Randy himself only to be vindicated.
All I am saying is we have NO CLUE what they make.
The Randy mess was about bonuses and who was telling the truth. That was why the UFC came out with those records. Randy was claiming he was making 250 grand a fight and acting as if his PPV bonsuses were not that high. The UFC proved otherwise and Randy was embarassed. What i am saying is the lesser fighters who have little room to negotiate are still getting screwed. They get a certain amount of money to show up, to win and maybe a bonus but not PPV revenue percentages, only the big stars get that. Maybe the UFC throws them an additional bone here and there but it is not likely to be of much significance.
LEONARD
01-02-2008, 12:44 PM
We really don't know what they make...it's still not enough in general, but there is a lot of money being passed in the lockerroom...
What i am saying is the lesser fighters who have little room to negotiate are still getting screwed. They get a certain amount of money to show up, to win and maybe a bonus but not PPV revenue percentages, only the big stars get that. Maybe the UFC throws them an additional bone here and there but it is not likely to be of much significance.
Ok, well we certainly agree here. :toast
Also something to keep in mind though, the UFC lets them have those sponsor banners free of charge. I would hazard a guess some of those guys would rather have those banners than double pay. Tito and Wand have their own clothing lines and I am sure they make a ton from it.Hell even KOS does. NFL, NHL NBA etc do not allow their guys to flaunt outside sponsors like that.
But again why should the small guys get PPV splits? I certainly do not think anyone ordered the PPV or bought a ticket to see Douglas Evans. :p:
The UFC hooks these guys up with big time sponsors as time goes on. If they stick around they get their due.
The smaller guys have been getting screwed for sure but its getting better and better. Conversations such as this probably won't happen near as much in a few years. They have actually been dying down a lot since last year. As popular as MMA is becoming, its still a veyr new sport and revenue is still gaining ground. UFC gives away a lot of free fights to help it grow.
oligarchy
01-02-2008, 12:51 PM
I guess people don't understand what undercard boxers get per fight? The disparity for top fighters is the difference, not the lower-end fighters. It's also a matter of how much you can draw.
It's also a matter of how much you can draw.
Mark Bocek vs Douglas Evans
Could have been any countless number of other match ups. They have to put their time in on the lower end of a card. But in MMA you can climb that ladder sooooo fast.
oligarchy
01-02-2008, 01:00 PM
Right. Rampage had little to no draw in his first fight, but has a solid following now. And if he keeps winning, he'll be the biggest draw the UFC has.
If for you to bring it win or lose and you will get paid. Its why we keep seeing people like Jorge Gurgel and Clay Guida on cards.
dbreiden83080
01-02-2008, 02:09 PM
Right. Rampage had little to no draw in his first fight, but has a solid following now. And if he keeps winning, he'll be the biggest draw the UFC has.
GSP is fastly becoming the most popular guy in the sport i feel. If he beats Serra and goes on a run as WW champ he is going to be HUGE!!!
oligarchy
01-03-2008, 08:50 AM
GSP will always have a good following, but people like Griffin and Rampage -- who have huge personalities -- go alot further with the fans. As well, they aren't French-Canadian ;)
LEONARD
01-03-2008, 01:46 PM
Did James Irvin fake being KO’d to get a DQ win??
http://webpages.charter.net/gline/irvin_cane_ufc79_juggo-1.gif
http://webpages.charter.net/gline/irvin_cane_ufc79_juggo-2.gif
http://webpages.charter.net/gline/irvin_cane_ufc79_juggo-3.gif
I vote YES based on the 2nd gif...
agree!
I wish they would get knees to the head going in the US. Supposedly they are just having to get it pushed in NJ.Nevada and Cali are fine with them.
oligarchy
01-03-2008, 02:20 PM
I saw that earlier. Cane should have known better though, it's not like it's the first time he has fought under these rules. BUT, it looks as though Irvin got away with a little something..
Tito Ortiz - "If you aint cheating you aint trying"
Soul_Patch
01-03-2008, 04:49 PM
I'm going to speak my piece that probably won't win me any friends.
I was disappointed in Chuck in the third round. Silva was tottering right at the edge of being knocked out - and instead of taking the risk of being hit and going for it, Chuck went for the easy decision win. It was the smart move, of course, but it didn't win him any respect from me.
Did anybody else happen to notice the piece of Sokoudjou's weave that fell out onto the floor during his fight? :lol
Before i read any more of this thread, i will say i agree with you 100%. That annoyed the shit out of me when he did that. Silva was 70% knocked out and chuck backed off like a panzy affraid to put it out there...
Also i loved the fact that guillard got his ass kicked...i cant stand that punk...even though i thought his body punch tko was pretty sweet, he is trash.
LEONARD
01-07-2008, 01:50 PM
Cane vs Irvin
http://www.dailymotion.com/princenino/video/x3y55a_luiz-cane-vs-james-irvin-ufc-79_sport
Carneiro vs Desouza
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3y5nk_roan-carneiro-vs-tony-desouza-ufc-7_sport
LEONARD
01-07-2008, 04:21 PM
Dana - Wand post fight in the lockerroom :fro
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ypd1_ufc-79-wanderlei-silva-post-fight_sport
dallaskd
01-07-2008, 08:12 PM
It sure looked like Irvin was acting and the kick didn't look that bad. They said he got a knee in the eye socket, but he was acting like he was KO'd.
dallaskd
01-15-2008, 08:14 PM
All 12 fighters test negative for UFC 79...
The Nevada State Athletic Commission tested 12 of the 20 fighters who competed at last month’s UFC 79 event, and all of the competitors tested negative for drugs of abuse, as well as performance-enhancing drugs.
UFC 79, which aired live on pay-per-view, took place Dec. 29 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas. Georges St. Pierre defeated Matt Hughes in the night’s main event to earn the UFC’s interim welterweight title.
Both of the headliners were tested by the NSAC, as were Mark Bocek, Rich Clementi, Manny Gamburyan, Melvin Guillard, Chuck Liddell, Dean Lister, Lyoto Machida, Jordan Radev, Wanderlei Silva and Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou.
http://mmajunkie.com/2008/01/15/ufc-79-drug-tests-all-12-fighters-test-negative/#comments
dbreiden83080
01-15-2008, 10:53 PM
All 12 fighters test negative for UFC 79...
The Nevada State Athletic Commission tested 12 of the 20 fighters who competed at last month’s UFC 79 event, and all of the competitors tested negative for drugs of abuse, as well as performance-enhancing drugs.
UFC 79, which aired live on pay-per-view, took place Dec. 29 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas. Georges St. Pierre defeated Matt Hughes in the night’s main event to earn the UFC’s interim welterweight title.
Both of the headliners were tested by the NSAC, as were Mark Bocek, Rich Clementi, Manny Gamburyan, Melvin Guillard, Chuck Liddell, Dean Lister, Lyoto Machida, Jordan Radev, Wanderlei Silva and Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou.
http://mmajunkie.com/2008/01/15/ufc-79-drug-tests-all-12-fighters-test-negative/#comments
You know it is funny listening to GSP in his pre-fight saying how he was "More powerful than ever" than seeing him look in better shape than ever and destroy Hughes so easily, i actually was a little worried he might have been on something extra. Maybe it was a dumb thought on my part, but it is nice to see he was clean.
dallaskd
01-15-2008, 10:57 PM
Haha yeah but its kinda sad this has to be pointed out.
good news, but i wish it wasnt news.
dbreiden83080
01-15-2008, 10:58 PM
Haha yeah but its kinda sad this has to be pointed out.
good news, but i wish it wasnt news.
Yeah i wish it wasn't either, that is the problem today everyone is suspected of cheating so you feel like nobody is above it.
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