Ron Artest in Silver and Black

[Ghost Writer]

That's kinda the point.
timvp suggested a sign-and-trade of Artest, not letting him walk like Anderson.

Hence the term "flip."

Keep up.

[FromWayDowntown]

Pod@mn you're off.

The Spurs didn't to re-sign Derek Anderson to a long term contract so he signed a long term contract with the Blazers.

Ah, but they did in the sense that they accomodated DA through his sign-and-trade wishes. Derek Anderson was, after all, sent to Portland via a sign-and-trade.

I would imagine that in talking about a sign-and-trade with Artest, timvp is thinking about doing the same thing.

[Holt's Cat]

timvp suggested a sign-and-trade of Artest, not letting him walk like Anderson.

Hence the term "flip."

Keep up.


The Spurs sign and traded Anderson.

Next item.

[FromWayDowntown]

The Spurs sign and traded Anderson.

Next item.

My apologies for having been so off.

[Ghost Writer]

Dude, Anderson was already under contract with the Spurs and orchestrated the signing to the Blazers.

At the end of this year, how would the Spurs dupe Artest into signing with them only to ship him off in a sign-and trade?

Apples and oranges.

[Holt's Cat]

Of course, the Kings could very well do the math and realize that a sign and trade in the summer might be preferable to what they can get for Artest today.

[Holt's Cat]

Dude, Anderson was already under contract with the Spurs and orchestrated the signing to the Blazers.

Huh? He was a free agent. No different than Artest will be should he indeed opt out.



At the end of this year, how would the Spurs dupe Artest into signing with them only to ship him off in a sign-and trade?

Apples and oranges.

Apples and apples.

Oranges and oranges.

[FromWayDowntown]

Dude, Anderson was already under contract with the Spurs and orchestrated the signing to the Blazers.

At the end of this year, how would the Spurs dupe Artest into signing with them only to ship him off in a sign-and trade?

Apples and oranges.

{Buzzer} Try again.

Anderson signed a one-year deal when he joined the Spurs in the Summer of 2000. He was negotiating a new deal in the summer of 2001 when he and the Spurs reached an impasse. Portland was willing to give DA what he wanted, but DA needed to sign the deal with the Spurs to get the full benefits afforded by the CBA. The Spurs signed him and then instantaneously traded him to Portland (along with Steve Kerr) for Steve Smith.

It was a textbook sign-and-trade and exactly the same idea that timvp is proposing with Artest.

[Ghost Writer]

I am not following... if Artest can go wherever he wants at the end of the year, why would he agree to a sign and trade?

[Holt's Cat]

I am not following... if Artest can go wherever he wants at the end of the year, why would he agree to a sign and trade?


So he can go to a team that wants him, but doesn't have the cap room to pay him what he wants (ie Knicks).

[FromWayDowntown]

I am not following... if Artest can go wherever he wants at the end of the year, why would he agree to a sign and trade?

Because a player re-signing with his last team can provide substantially greater benefits than if the player signed outright with another team.

He would agree to a sign-and-trade to get another guaranteed year or to get larger year-to-year raises, among other things.

(not to mention, as Holt's Cat explained, the cap benefits for the other team in being able to ship out contracts to offset a contract that it wants to bring in).

[Ghost Writer]

{Buzzer} Try again.

Anderson signed a one-year deal when he joined the Spurs in the Summer of 2000. He was negotiating a new deal in the summer of 2001 when he and the Spurs reached an impasse. Portland was willing to give DA what he wanted, but DA needed to sign the deal with the Spurs to get the full benefits afforded by the CBA. The Spurs signed him and then instantaneously traded him to Portland (along with Steve Kerr) for Steve Smith.

It was a textbook sign-and-trade and exactly the same idea that timvp is proposing with Artest.
I remember, thanks and sorry for slamming you, but the situation is different...

Why wouldn't Artest just test the open market?

[FromWayDowntown]

I remember, thanks and sorry for slamming you, but the situation is different...

Why wouldn't Artest just test the open market?

The only difference is that the deal bringing Artest to SA would occur mid-year instead of the summer before his free agent year. In all other respects, the situation would be identical.

[Holt's Cat]

Let's see.

DA signed a two year deal with a player option after the first year. He opted out and entered free agency.

Artest holds a player option for the 2008-09 season. He is reportedly inclined to opt out and enter free agency.

How are these two situations different?

[Ghost Writer]

Didn't Anderson want to play for the Blazers all along?:

http://www.angelfire.com/dc2/derek0/index.html

Cavailers traded Anderson to the L.A Clippers which was a shock for him but he managed to make some agreements. One of the agreements was that Clippers will trade Derek to the Portland TrailBlazers which somehow didn’t worked out so he choose to take a 1 year contract with Tim There not only he got his shot at his first chance at the playoffs but also he was an NBA Champion. Without Derek heating it up from the top of the three point line Tim Duncan and David Robinson wouldn't be able to body the opponents down low. Derek was credited with being at the top of his game, being in the best shape of his whole career. The next season he lead his team in steals and ranked second in scoring with 17.8 points per game. The most impressive was his career high 40.6% from three point range connecting on 342 of 402 attempts. In the NBA finals Derek lose four games to zero to the L.A Lakers to an injury. The San Antoino Spurs weren't able to re-sign Derek Anderson to a long term contract so he signed a long term contract with the Portland TrailBlazers.

[Holt's Cat]

How did Steve Smith become a San Antonio Spur?

[FromWayDowntown]

Didn't Anderson want to play for the Blazers all along?:

http://www.angelfire.com/dc2/derek0/index.html

Cavailers traded Anderson to the L.A Clippers which was a shock for him but he managed to make some agreements. One of the agreements was that Clippers will trade Derek to the Portland TrailBlazers which somehow didn’t worked out so he choose to take a 1 year contract with Tim There not only he got his shot at his first chance at the playoffs but also he was an NBA Champion. Without Derek heating it up from the top of the three point line Tim Duncan and David Robinson wouldn't be able to body the opponents down low. Derek was credited with being at the top of his game, being in the best shape of his whole career. The next season he lead his team in steals and ranked second in scoring with 17.8 points per game. The most impressive was his career high 40.6% from three point range connecting on 342 of 402 attempts. In the NBA finals Derek lose four games to zero to the L.A Lakers to an injury. The San Antoino Spurs weren't able to re-sign Derek Anderson to a long term contract so he signed a long term contract with the Portland TrailBlazers.

He may have, but the fact of the matter was that he had to sign with the Spurs to make it possible for him to be moved to Portland.

[Holt's Cat]

Anderson was traded to the Blazers on Wednesday for Steve Smith in an exchange of shooting guards, a deal brought on when Anderson rejected a six-year, $42 million offer from the Spurs last week and immediately committed to Portland.

link (http://tspweb02.tsp.utexas.edu/webarchive/07-26-01/2001072609_s06_Spurs.html)

[Holt's Cat]

:lol at the thought of having to explain this to the resident expert.

[Ghost Writer]

He may have, but the fact of the matter was that he had to sign with the Spurs to make it possible for him to be moved to Portland.
Right.

Where exactly does Artest want to go that he needs our help in a sign-and-trade at the season's end?

[T Park]

I am not following... if Artest can go wherever he wants at the end of the year, why would he agree to a sign and trade?


So he could make more money and go to the team that wants to pay him said more money than us.

[FromWayDowntown]

Just to dot the i's and cross the t's on the Anderson story:


Because of salary cap restraints, the Spurs were only able to give the 6-foot-5 Anderson the middle-class exception of $2.25 million. Anderson was counting on the fact that San Antonio would make a much larger and longer commitment this summer. However, the Spurs were caught between a rock and hard place, in this case between Anderson and veteran center David Robinson.

San Antonio elected to give Robinson the majority of its $14 million of cap room, leaving less available to Anderson than the young guard had expected. The Spurs might have been able to overcome that, however, they tried to use some strong-arm tactics to get Anderson to sign, including a 24-hour deadline in which the athletic guard had to accept or decline their offer.

All the while, Whitsitt was continuing to court Anderson, even though Portland had less to offer Anderson financially than San Antonio. Anderson proved the money wasn't the biggest criteria, and announced that he was going to become a Blazer, even if he had to sign for this year's middle-class exception, which is a first-year salary of $4.5 million.

* * * *

Anderson didn't have to settle for the middle-class exception, which would have limited him to a six-year deal for $34 million. Whitsitt and Tony Dutt, Anderson's agent, were able to work out a trade with the Spurs, who agreed to take Smith as compensation. Anderson was signed by San Antonio to a six-year, $48 million deal and Smith was granted his wish to move on.

http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/Derek_Anderson_RipCity010827.html

[FromWayDowntown]

Right.

Where exactly does Artest want to go that he needs our help in a sign-and-trade at the season's end?

For starters, to any team that's over the cap and wants to offer him more than the mid-level exception.

[Ghost Writer]

So he could make more money and go to the team that wants to pay him said more money than us.
Right.

Where exactly does Artest want to go that he needs our help in a sign-and-trade at the season's end?

[Holt's Cat]

Oh well, this has been a grand waste.

[FromWayDowntown]

Right.

Where exactly does Artest want to go that he needs our help in a sign-and-trade at the season's end?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2256191&postcount=273

[Ghost Writer]

Oh.

Great idea, then, guys.

Or he could just walk and get the same money elsewhere without a sign-and-trade.

[FromWayDowntown]

Oh.

Great idea, then, guys.

Or he could just walk and get the same money elsewhere without a sign-and-trade.

That's just plain incorrect. If he's eyeing some team that's under the cap, sure, he could walk without the need for a sign-and-trade. I'll admit that Artest is strange enough that he might want to do that. But if he is interested in going to some team that's over the cap (which is the bulk of NBA teams) and is interested in something more than exception money, he's going to need a sign-and-trade.

[Ghost Writer]

"If he's eyeing some team that's under the cap, sure, he could walk without the need for a sign-and-trade."

That's exactly what I meant in the first place, but I am all for building the case to bring Artest to the Spurs, so well done, timvp.

I should have remembered the D. Anderson scenario... it's possible they could work that out with Artest, too, if nobody with money wants him this summer.

[FromWayDowntown]

"If he's eyeing some team that's under the cap, sure, he could walk without the need for a sign-and-trade."

That's exactly what I meant in the first place, but I am all for building the case to bring Artest to the Spurs, so well done, timvp.

I should have remembered the D. Anderson scenario... it's possible they could work that out with Artest, too, if nobody with money wants him this summer.

But like I say, there are more teams that are over the cap than there are teams that are under. And, frankly, most of the teams that are under don't present very enticing situations. Plus, Artest is going to be fighting with at least Antawn Jamison and perhaps Shawn Marion, Baron Davis, Jermaine O'Neal, Elton Brand, Allen Iverson, and Gilbert Arenas for the money that those teams might offer. That's without considering the restricted free agents who are going to be offered the moon in an effort to get them to change teams or to handcuff their own teams going forward.

[Ghost Writer]

But like I say, there are more teams that are over the cap than there are teams that are under. And, frankly, most of the teams that are under don't present very enticing situations. Plus, Artest is going to be fighting with at least Antawn Jamison and perhaps Shawn Marion, Baron Davis, Jermaine O'Neal, Elton Brand, Allen Iverson, and Gilbert Arenas for the money that those teams might offer. That's without considering the restricted free agents who are going to be offered the moon in an effort to get them to change teams or to handcuff their own teams going forward.
Pardon my tone as I did not initially see the correlation ... I see now that a sign-and-trade might be possible.

Yet another reason to do a deal for Artest!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/721778-p2.html

Read it. Yet another reason not to go near Artest.

[Bruno]

It seems that Artest for Barry + Elson + picks will happen.

[naico]

It seems that Artest for Barry + Elson + picks will happen.

For real??
Don't get my hopes up for nothin' man

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

i heard that as well. :drunk

dang it.........oh well.......

[Bruno]

For real??
Don't get my hopes up for nothin' man

It is reported by a poster on boston realgm meassage board.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=764202

They consider him as a legit source of info. He works for Spurs (checked with his IP).

[naico]

Nice.
Thx for the info!
Hope it'll be confirmed soon

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Someone on the knicks board reported that they heard it on radio

[johngateswhiteley]

It seems that Artest for Barry + Elson + picks will happen.

really? hmm...not sure what to make of that.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It seems that Artest for Barry + Elson + picks will happen.

WTF?

No! Please don't tell me that. I don't want that guy as a Spur. That would be a bad, panic signing. He will screw our chemistry, it's Dennis Rodman all over again, mark my words.

[Streakyshooter08]

What? If this is really true I have to calm myself down... If it was not Bruno who posted it, I would not believe it at all...

[TDMVPDPOY]

how many days left till trade deadline passes?

[johngateswhiteley]

how many days left till trade deadline passes?

i think thursday at 3pm...?

[Streakyshooter08]

Why doesn't the guy post it on the Spurs board then? I still don't believe it until it is official.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm not going to believe it til it happens. If this does happen all i can say is, Its about damn time.

[johngateswhiteley]

I'm not going to believe it till it happens.

...and i don't think people should. it will surprise me if it goes through.

[Bruno]

If it was not Bruno who posted it, I would not believe it at all...

:lol
Thanks but I just share what someone else said.
The question isn't about trusting me, it's about trusting this guy.

FYI, This board consider him as legit and a moderator, who has checked his IP, has said that he works for Spurs.

[Streakyshooter08]

WTF?

No! Please don't tell me that. I don't want that guy as a Spur. That would be a bad, panic signing. He will screw our chemistry, it's Dennis Rodman all over again, mark my words.

I think the situation is different. You have to see that the Spurs would not give up a lot. If the trade would really happen like that the Spurs would still have the same core. Elson is not even playing a lot, so it is Barry for Artest... If he does not work you would still have the same rotation like the Spurs have right now.

That said, I doubt it would be really just Barry, Elson and picks. If they include Splitter the Kings might bite but I hope this is not the case...

[Quasar]

It seems that Artest for Barry + Elson + picks will happen.
I think the Spurs will miss having Barry as "offense grease"... It is clearly visible now that he's injured... I understand that Pop used to insert him into the game whenever the offense was stagnating - who will do that now?

I'm no stat guru, but it is interesting to note that he's the +/- leader of the Spurs outside of the big 3 (all the others are negative!)... Lending more credence to hist role as "offensive grease" is that his + stat is about the same as Tony - 2 points higher than the next Spur.

Link: http://www.82games.com/0708/0708SAS.HTM

The 10-day contract players are excluded for obvious reasons.



Unit Min Off Def +/- W L Win%

Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Bonner-Duncan 49 121 76 +45 8 2 80.0

Parker-Ginobili-Barry-Finley-Duncan 35 86 67 +19 5 3 62.5


LOL at Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Bonner-Duncan being the best line up!! +45!!! :D I have no idea whether the stats are skewed but may be this is why Bonner was used in the last minute line ups where he missed the shots that could've clinched the game!

[Streakyshooter08]

:lol
Thanks but I just share what someone else said.
The question isn't about trusting me, it's about trusting this guy.

FYI, This board consider him as legit and a moderator, who has checked his IP, has said that he works for Spurs.

I know. But if you post something like that it is not completely made up. I still wonder why the guy has not post it on the Spurs board at realgm. Well see what happens... :wakeup

[Bruno]

I still wonder why the guy has not post it on the Spurs board at realgm.

I guess that he should be a Celtics fan.
I don't think that everybody working for Spurs are Spurs' fans.
It's kinda like someone working for Microsoft having a Mac at home.

[Streakyshooter08]

I guess that he should be a Celtics fan.
I don't think that everybody working for Spurs are Spurs' fans.
It's kinda like someone working for Microsoft having a Mac at home.

Ah, okay. Do you think the Spurs would include Splitter? I hope they don't.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Why doesn't the guy post it on the Spurs board then? I still don't believe it until it is official.

Its official

i just pull the trade on nbalive06 :D:D:D

[MaNu4Tres]

Say if this trade does happen, which probably won't knowing the Spurs FO. But if this somehow does happen. Where do y'all think Artest would fit in our rotation?

Parker
Finley
Bowen
Artest
Duncan

Manu- 6th man
Udoka
Oberto
Horry
Stoudamire
Vaughn
Bonner/ Mahimni

or does Artest move into Bowen or Finley's spot with Oberto starting? This would leave one big man off the bench, which would be Horry. What would happen if one of our bigs were to get hurt?

[Bruno]

Ah, okay. Do you think the Spurs would include Splitter? I hope they don't.

I don't have a clue if Spurs would include Splitter but I'm like you and I hope they won't.

I consider Artest as a gamble. I'm fine with Spurs giving draft picks or Mahinmi for Artest because it's also gambles.
To me, Splitter is almost a sure thing. I'm quite sure that he will be at least an useful role player.
I'm fine with giving up gambles for gambles but I don't like giving a sure thing for a gamble.

I like the idea of Artest in SA. Now we will see if the trade will happen and if it happens, his exact form. The waiting won't be too long, the trade deadline is in 32 hours.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I think the situation is different. You have to see that the Spurs would not give up a lot. If the trade would really happen like that the Spurs would still have the same core. Elson is not even playing a lot, so it is Barry for Artest... If he does not work you would still have the same rotation like the Spurs have right now.

That said, I doubt it would be really just Barry, Elson and picks. If they include Splitter the Kings might bite but I hope this is not the case...

It's not about what we'd give up (although I'd hate to see Barry go, and they'd better not give up Splitter who I think will be a great compliment to Tim), my objection is that I think Artest would adversely affect our team chemistry to the point where we'll have less chance winning than we would going ahead with the group we have.

Also, quite honestly, I don't want to barrack for that guy. He is an irresponsible fuckwit who only cares about himself. He does NOT typify the values the Spurs represent.

Bring any number of other players, but Artest would be a mistake, I feel it in my bones.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm not sure why anyone is worried about the chemistry factor. I don't think he'd cause locker room drama; the Spurs are too strong for that. And it's not like the Spurs "need" Artest if they get him and he knows that. If he doesn't fit in or cause problems, then they'll just bench him. And no matter how crazy he is, he's smart enough to realize the opportunity here.

[timvp]

Nice finds, Bruno. Supposedly the Nuggets are offering an expiring contract (Najera) and a first rounder for Artest. I wonder what the Spurs are offering that can top that. Two expiring contracts and a likely lower first rounder sounds like a worse offer. Perhaps the Spurs are willing to throw in Mahinmi, Splitter or perhaps something like the Raptors and Rockets second rounders.

I'm still not sold on this trade. It doesn't appear to me that anything is broken enough that you have to make this risky of a move. Then again, buying an All-Star talent for pennies on the dollar is a difficult trade to walk away from.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if we include splitter in the trade

and then ron artest either opts out of his contract and signs somewhere else,

then we lose on this trade, we phail

[Kori Ellis]

Right now Barry and Elson aren't playing. So getting Artest for Barry and Elson would be a no brainer to me.

[Bruno]

What would happen if one of our bigs were to get hurt?

If Spurs trade Barry+Elson+incentives for Artest, I think that they will try to get a vet center via trade or FA.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm not sure why anyone is worried about the chemistry factor. I don't think he'd cause locker room drama; the Spurs are too strong for that. And it's not like the Spurs "need" Artest if they get him and he knows that. If he doesn't fit in or cause problems, then they'll just bench him. And no matter how crazy he is, he's smart enough to realize the opportunity here.

Good take, but you're forgetting that Artest doesn't think like other people - I don't think he's always capable of being rational. In fact, I'm pretty sure he lives in "Artest World" where the laws of decent human conduct don't always apply. And in a tense playoff series (see, Western playoffs 2008) he's the last guy I'd want on my team. Rodman sabotaged a team led by DRob, Artest is even crazier than Rodman. The one thing that goes against this thesis is Artest's respect for Tim - he has describes him as a "pimp", in the positive sense.

Beyond that, Artest is capable of sabotaging his team for his own purposes - there is ample past evidence of that, most recently in the sacbee article I posted on page 11.

I'm more than happy to go to war with what we have minus whatever the hell we can get for Elson.

PS I'd take the Birdman over Artest. If the Hornets don't want him, bring him in.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Nice finds, Bruno. Supposedly the Nuggets are offering an expiring contract (Najera) and a first rounder for Artest. I wonder what the Spurs are offering that can top that. Two expiring contracts and a likely lower first rounder sounds like a worse offer. Perhaps the Spurs are willing to throw in Mahinmi, Splitter or perhaps something like the Raptors and Rockets second rounders.

I'm still not sold on this trade. It doesn't appear to me that anything is broken enough that you have to make this risky of a move. Then again, buying an All-Star talent for pennies on the dollar is a difficult trade to walk away from.

yeh i just heard the Nuggets are going hard after Artest coz Mike Miller is off the table for some crazy reason. What the heck is Memphis thinking? lol

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Im mixed about Artest. If LK is included then 4get it but if they can get him for a lower price then its worth the risk coz the Nuggets aren't going anywhere this season with this team

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Im mixed about Artest. If LK is included then 4get it but if they can get him for a lower price then its worth the risk coz the Nuggets aren't going anywhere this season with this team

How about Elson and Najera to Sacto, Artest to Denver, Kleiza to us? I'll take that! :lol

[Kori Ellis]

Good take, but you're forgetting that Artest doesn't think like other people

I am definitely not forgetting that. I've met him and he is one of the coolest basketball players that I've seen. Great with kids, great with fans, very thoughtful and caring. He needs to be on medication. For all I know, he's on medication now. I trust Pop on this as to whether he thinks it's worth the risk.

To me, I just think it's very very little risk. The Spurs are a solid team in the locker room. One bad apple (if you want to classify him as that) isn't going to ruin that. Especially a guy that isn't "needed." He'd be like a bonus that you can do without, but would be nice to have.

Players that can sabotage a locker room are players that need to be relied on. Artest wouldn't "need" to be relied on in San Antonio - the Spurs aren't even playing Barry and Elson.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't think Artest will sabotage a team with 4 rings. He has to have some common sense. If he gets out of line, I'm sure the 4 banners above him at the practice facility and the AT & T center will only motivate him towards the 5th. Especially with the leadership of Tim Duncan at his side.

[MaNu4Tres]

"I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn’t do anything, he didn’t react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett’s a—, and won the damn championship. You know what I’m sayin’? That’s gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a ... he’s a pimp." - Ron Artest

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

How about Elson and Najera to Sacto, Artest to Denver, Kleiza to us? I'll take that! :lol


lol no way. LK would torch us like Manu and TP already do

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I am definitely not forgetting that. I've met him and he is one of the coolest basketball players that I've seen. Great with kids, great with fans, very thoughtful and caring. He needs to be on medication. For all I know, he's on medication now. I trust Pop on this as to whether he thinks it's worth the risk.

To me, I just think it's very very little risk. The Spurs are a solid team in the locker room. One bad apple (if you want to classify him as that) isn't going to ruin that. Especially a guy that isn't "needed." He'd be like a bonus that you can do without, but would be nice to have.

Players that can sabotage a locker room are players that need to be relied on. Artest wouldn't "need" to be relied on in San Antonio - the Spurs aren't even playing Barry and Elson.

Fair enough. You know more than I do, hell, you've met the guy. However, he definitely needs medication and I wonder if he's on any.

You are right about the strength of the Spurs' locker room, I don't doubt that. But if he were to become a third wheel he'd still be on the books for next year and we lose out on Barry's possible return.

I still don't want him on my team in a tight spot in the playoffs. If you were the other team, wouldn't you target him and his proven hot head? He hasn't been a winner anywhere he's been, and this will be the 3rd time he's been shipped out.

If the trade goes through and he helps us to win the Great Repeat, I will admit that I was wrong. But really, I want nothing to do with Artest.

[Bruno]

yeh i just heard the Nuggets are going hard after Artest coz Mike Miller is off the table for some crazy reason. What the heck is Memphis thinking? lol

There is a rumor of Miller to Cleveland with like deal Miller+Cardinal+Lowry for players with 0 or 1 year left on their contracts and picks.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

"I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn’t do anything, he didn’t react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett’s a—, and won the damn championship. You know what I’m sayin’? That’s gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a ... he’s a pimp." - Ron Artest

BTW, I did mention that. No doubt Artest has respect for Duncan. But I don't know whether that translates in Ron Ron's head as "I will sacrifice myself for the team's interests".

Seems that, as usual, I am outspoken. So be it. I stand by my take.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

There is a rumor of Miller to Cleveland with like deal Miller+Cardinal+Lowry for players with 0 or 1 year left on their contracts and picks.

Oooooo, do that please! That means Lowry would start for them, and I like Lowry.

Also, the tougher the East, the better. Right now there's only 2 elite teams out there.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Oooooo, do that please! That means Lowry would start for them, and I like Lowry.

Also, the tougher the East, the better. Right now there's only 2 elite teams out there.


i know the Nuggets were after Lowry.

Im guessing the Grizzlies will unload Miller if Cardinal is gone as well.

Cavs might have to give up some Boobie :lol

[Kori Ellis]

Fair enough. You know more than I do, hell, you've met the guy. However, he definitely needs medication and I wonder if he's on any.

You are right about the strength of the Spurs' locker room, I don't doubt that. But if he were to become a third wheel he'd still be on the books for next year and we lose out on Barry's possible return.

I still don't want him on my team in a tight spot in the playoffs. If you were the other team, wouldn't you target him and his proven hot head? He hasn't been a winner anywhere he's been, and this will be the 3rd time he's been shipped out.

If the trade goes through and he helps us to win the Great Repeat, I will admit that I was wrong. But really, I want nothing to do with Artest.

I'm not even sure that Barry will ever be able to come back. Artest can opt out after this season or the Spurs can trade his expiring contract if he doesn't opt out. I don't see him being hard to get rid of.

I just think that an injured Barry and a lame Elson bring zero to the table. So, there's nowhere to go but up :drunk

[remingtonbo2001]

"I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn’t do anything, he didn’t react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett’s a—, and won the damn championship. You know what I’m sayin’? That’s gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a ... he’s a pimp." - Ron Artest

One of my favorite quotes :lol

[Ghost Writer]

Wow, so the Ellises agree that bringing Artest is a calculated risk that is worth the potential reward.

Nice.

[rascal]

"I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn’t do anything, he didn’t react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett’s a—, and won the damn championship. You know what I’m sayin’? That’s gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a ... he’s a pimp." - Ron Artest

Artest respects Duncan. All the more for him working out in San Antonio.

I'm not a big fan of Artest but for what the spurs would be considering trading for him it is worth it.

[Holt's Cat]

It is reported by a poster on boston realgm meassage board.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=764202

They consider him as a legit source of info. He works for Spurs (checked with his IP).


Perhaps this (http://www.telegram.com/article/20080210/NEWS/802100611/1009/SPORTS) is the man behind the IP.

[vanvannen]

Some of you stats fans can back me up on this one, but I do recall a finals appearence by Artest in Indy when he just went nuts and started jacking up shots trying singlehandedly to win the series. He singlehandedly lost it.
I don't want a guy like that in the Spurs. It's just wrong.

[remingtonbo2001]

The realgm link is really intresting. Nice investigative work HC.

[Mr. Body]

Some of you stats fans can back me up on this one, but I do recall a finals appearence by Artest in Indy when he just went nuts and started jacking up shots trying singlehandedly to win the series. He singlehandedly lost it.
I don't want a guy like that in the Spurs. It's just wrong.

Well, you just stick his ass on the bench. I don't even know if he'll play end-game scenarios.

[Holt's Cat]

Some of you stats fans can back me up on this one, but I do recall a finals appearence by Artest in Indy when he just went nuts and started jacking up shots trying singlehandedly to win the series. He singlehandedly lost it.
I don't want a guy like that in the Spurs. It's just wrong.

That's what concerns me about that guy. The team could invest a good amount of time integrating him into the rotation, he plays well and gets more minutes, and then in the playoffs he does something stupid. Sure, bench him. But that Fs up the program. I don't think you can count on him, which is why his price is in the ballpark of a couple expiring contracts and a low 1st round pick.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Bonner and Elson are worthless, ship them both out for Artest


but Barry and Elson would make the most sense for the Kings

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

That's what concerns me about that guy. The team could invest a good amount of time integrating him into the rotation, he plays well and gets more minutes, and then in the playoffs he does something stupid. Sure, bench him. But that Fs up the program. I don't think you can count on him, which is why his price is in the ballpark of a couple expiring contracts and a low 1st round pick.

That's EXACTLY what I said.

Nice to have someone agree with me on this.

I think Ex is deadset against Artest as well.

Does anyone see Pop doing this? I just don't see it. Pop has NEVER made a move for a guy like Artest. Glenn Robinson was a different animal.

If Pop does do this it smacks to me of a reaction to all the moves made by other teams. Maybe that's the right response, but I don't think so. I trust in this team's ability to build to a crescendo over the next 30 games, just like every year. Pop would be admitting he doesn't believe in this squad enough. I do. I think these guys can win the title with the same approach they've always taken from here on in. Artest is a risk to the cohesion of the plan.

[TDMVPDPOY]

what concerns me is rockets and nuggets are also interested

alot of the west teams tryin to improve b4 deadline,

while we stay pat? fok this

[Ghost Writer]

That's what concerns me about that guy. The team could invest a good amount of time integrating him into the rotation, he plays well and gets more minutes, and then in the playoffs he does something stupid. Sure, bench him. But that Fs up the program. I don't think you can count on him, which is why his price is in the ballpark of a couple expiring contracts and a low 1st round pick.
How does that "F up the program"?

You think that Pop will allow him to lose a game, much less a series for us.

Let me break it down simply:

How much are Barry, Elson and the first rounder playing for us these days?

Question.

[Holt's Cat]

How does that "F up the program"?

How much is a playoff win or a series win worth?



You think that Pop will allow him to lose a game, much less a series for us.


You miss the point. If Artest is that great of an addition on the court then he will see more time. Then Artest does something dumb. You can't rely on him. The Spurs need players they can rely on in the postseason. That's part of the reason they go with veteran role players. And that's why you don't see the Spurs loaded to the brim with "young ballas".

Championship success is not built on just throwing the best 5 players in terms of talent on the court. It's built on a system with players who execute.



Let me break it down simply:

How much are Barry, Elson and the first rounder playing for us these days?

Question.

The 1st rounder doesn't lack value. Barry and Elson could be moved for someone else.

[Ghost Writer]

If he does something dumb, Pop will bench him, just like he does when any of the Spurs fvck up, including the Big Three.

If you are so hung up on the first rounder, then you would not want to send the same package for K. Thomas.

Knife cuts both ways, champ.

[Holt's Cat]

Great, so Pop will bench him after the fact.

You can rely on Thomas. He will fit in your system.

The knife must be stuck in your eye because you can't see shit.

[Ghost Writer]

What could Artest possibly do in one play to destroy the disciplined Spurs chances?

I think you are shook by the Indiana/Detroit incident from year's past.

[FromWayDowntown]

Some of you stats fans can back me up on this one, but I do recall a finals appearence by Artest in Indy when he just went nuts and started jacking up shots trying singlehandedly to win the series. He singlehandedly lost it.
I don't want a guy like that in the Spurs. It's just wrong.

It was the 2004 East Finals against Detroit.

Game 1: 6-23 FG, 1-5 3pt, 4-5 FT, 17 points
Game 2: 5-21 FG, 0-4 3pt, 3-4 FT, 13 points
Game 3: 4-13 FG, 0-5 3pt, 5-6 FT, 13 points
Game 4: 8-19 FG, 2-5 3pt, 2-4 FT, 20 points
Game 5: 4-15 FG, 1-5 3pt, 4-6 FT, 13 points
Game 6: 4-13 FG, 2-7 3pt, 1-2 FT, 11 points

For the series, Artest shot 31-104 from the field (.298) and 6-31 from behind the arc (.194) while averaging 14.5 ppg.

[Ghost Writer]

That was 2004 on the Pacers.

I think he would not feel the need to carry the 2008 Spurs.

[Holt's Cat]

He breaks plays when he feels like it. Does that sound like a Spur to you? He apparently feels that he has to take over a game and starts jacking up ill advised shots. There's a reason someone like him with the talent he has is not leading to any great offers from around the league. Dude is unreliable on the court. Then you have all the off court bullshit. This isn't a pickup game. This is a run at a NBA title and million$ are on the line.

[FromWayDowntown]

I certainly can see the point of acquiring Artest if doing so means that you don't have to give up any rotation players. I still think that this team is in more desperate need of a big who can rebound, but if a deal sending out Elson necessitates another effort to find a big guy who fits that description, it would seem that the Spurs will have upgraded the roster (being optimistic about Artest's behavior) and addressed a specific need as well, which would be fantastic.

[Ghost Writer]

Man, you are shook.

You really think Artest would feel the need to chuck up shots or break plays on a team that plays worth a d@mn like the Spurs?

[Holt's Cat]

"Shook"? You're the one ejaculating over the prospect of adding a mental patient to the roster because of fear due to a couple other teams making some trades. This isn't the WWF.





You really think Artest would feel the need to chuck up shots or break plays on a team that plays worth a d@mn like the Spurs?

Yes, he's that unstable.

[FromWayDowntown]

That was 2004 on the Pacers.

I think he would not feel the need to carry the 2008 Spurs.

Arguably, the trend followed him to Sacramento in 2006 against the Spurs. He was pretty solid from the field in the Kings' 2 wins in that series, but was pretty abysmal in 3 losses in which he played -- and the possibility of another suspension for an unnecessarily chippy play at a key moment is another issue to be considered -- shooting .321 from the field in those games (17-53) and .333 from distance while jacking up an average of 6 threes in those games (6, 8, and 4).

He's not a particularly efficient scorer and, as Holt's Cat noted, has shown a disinterest in actually running offense at times.

[FromWayDowntown]

Artest was also a pretty miserable rebounder in that 2006 series against the Spurs. He had 12 boards in Game 3, but had 2, 4, 4, and 3 in the other games in which he played.

[Holt's Cat]

Artest was also a pretty miserable rebounder in that 2006 series against the Spurs. He had 12 boards in Game 3, but had 2, 4, 4, and 3 in the other games in which he played.


Somehow Artest has been transformed into a legit NBA big.

[Spurminator]

I know it's a cop out, but if Pop and RC are comfortable enough with Ron's character mixing with the Spurs, then so am I.

That said, given that the Kings are trying to get Kleiza from the Nuggets, I don't think we have enough to make this happen anyway.

[Ghost Writer]

Uh, Artest is averaging a respectable 5.7 rebounds a game and shooting 44.6% from the field at 19 PPG.

How about we don't isolate games from 4 and 2 years ago and concentrate on his current season?



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/18/artest.deadline/

[Holt's Cat]

What's wrong with looking at postseason performance? Are we not concerned with seeing the Spurs win #5 or are we concerned with getting on SportsCenter before the 1st break?

[Ghost Writer]

You can look at isolated games and stats all you want.

Different ballgame on the Spurs.

Artest would be the 4th option, not the first or second.


P.S.

He rebounds a tad better than Bruce Almighty.

[Holt's Cat]

4th option? Everyone touches the ball. Watch a game sometime.

[Holt's Cat]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_ron_artest.jpg

Yes Mommy, I will wash the dishes.

[Mister Sinister]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_ron_artest.jpg

Damn. He just looks nuts.
:lol

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Sounds like the Nuggets FO is ready to give LK. They realise how good Artest can be and Melo and AI practically begged them to get it done.

If LK is traded then ill be happy for him to get a starting role. Im assuming it would be a udrih/martin/lk/Williams/Miller lineup............ nice young potential in the 1-4 positions.

[Ghost Writer]

4th option? Everyone touches the ball. Watch a game sometime.
What's your fvcking point, exactly?

You are extrapolating stats from 2 and 4 years ago on different teams where his role was completely different.

Do a shot and grow some b@lls.

[Holt's Cat]

Oh, I have nuts. I just don't think with them when assessing a player who is...nuts.

[FromWayDowntown]

You can look at isolated games and stats all you want.

Different ballgame on the Spurs.

Artest would be the 4th option, not the first or second.


P.S.

He rebounds a tad better than Bruce Almighty.

Meh. That's not saying much. Bowen, for all of his defensive greatness, has never been a particularly good rebounder. Given that Artest is substantially bigger, stronger, and younger than Bowen, one would expect that he would be a much, much better rebounder.

I also wonder, if Artest is going to be a 4th option for the Spurs, how it is reasonable to expect that he'll maintain his level of production (actual points scored and such) when he's never shown himself to be a particularly efficient offensive player. I realize that we're drifting into the realm of inefficient players somehow becoming ridiculously efficient when they don't get as many shots, but I think it's a legitimate question.

In some ways, this idea is one that reeks of desperation more than a move to address true needs.

With that said, however, I'm with Spurminator -- Pop and R.C. have earned the trust of the fanbase and if they think there's no problem with a move like this one, I can't quarrel with them on that.

[Ghost Writer]

Yeah, he's so crazy. Please post a single flare-up from this season.

We'll wait.

[Holt's Cat]

Yeah, he's so crazy. Please post a single flare-up from this season.

We'll wait.


So he's due. All the more reason not to do it.

[Ghost Writer]

So he's due. All the more reason not to do it.
:lol


I didn't know Holt's Cat was a 'Fraidy Cat.

[Holt's Cat]

Scared is thinking the Spurs have to deal for Artest and spamming this forum daily about what's going to happen in the 2015-16 season.

[naico]

Either way i don't think this is gonna go down..Something tells me Denver 'll fuck us right before the trading deadline nd give up Kleiza.

[Ghost Writer]

Scared is thinking the Spurs have to deal for Artest and spamming this forum daily about what's going to happen in the 2015-16 season.
Stupid is not responding to the competition all getting better as our team is injured and less effective than before.

You yourself expressed no faith in the front office being able to rebuild without a high draft pick.

[Holt's Cat]

Stupid is doing something just because everyone else is doing it. Or because some nerd on the internets has a trade fetish.

[AFBlue]

Is there any update?

I can't find anything on the internets about it being as certain as the poster on RealGM suggested....

[naico]

You guys should get a room..

[Ghost Writer]

Stupid is doing something just because everyone else is doing it. Or because some nerd on the internets has a trade fetish.
Ignorant arrogance is believing you have a right to the title based on what you did in the past.

[Streakyshooter08]

http://www.broadbandnewsnet.com/newsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=4450&z=1

The longer it takes the less is the chance this happens...

[Holt's Cat]

Ignorant arrogance is believing you have a right to the title based on what you did in the past.

Ignorance is whining about "ballas" for 5+ years.

[vanvannen]

Artest has shown time and again that he is not to be trusted. Either jacking up ill-advised shots or going into the stands and beating up random fans, he is a trainwreck waiting to happen.
Apart from that, Spurs don't really need a defensive minded SF, we already have Bruce and Ime. If he was a rebounding big, it would be a whole different story.
The bottomline is, do we really want to bring in a question mark player for a role that is already covered?

[Ghost Writer]

Ignorance is whining about "ballas" for 5+ years.
Obstinance is pretending that the Spurs can acquire talent by conventional means and would not have to gamble on a so-called "balla".

[Admidave50]

I'm very interested in seeing what Artest could do in a Spurs uniform.

We won't be able to do much if Nuggets are offering Kleiza

[Streakyshooter08]

I certainly hope he does not end up in Denver.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Im looking forward to the possibility of an Ai/Artest/Melo/Kmart/Camby starting 5 :smokin

Worst case scenario is it blows up and Artest walks at the end of the season. Losing LK would suck but the payoff may be worth it

[FromWayDowntown]

Im looking forward to the possibility of an Ai/Artest/Melo/Kmart/Camby starting 5 :smokin

Worst case scenario is it blows up and Artest walks at the end of the season. Losing LK would suck but the payoff may be worth it

Are all of those guys going to play 48 minutes?

[Mr. Body]

Denver is too combustible a team for Artest to work well. His tendency to bust plays won't be capped and there's no strong personality to keep him in check - the coach is permissive, and AI is a great player but doesn't keep guys in line. Giving up a decent prospect like Kleiza for only the next few months isn't a great idea, either.

[AFBlue]

Denver is too combustible a team for Artest to work well. His tendency to bust plays won't be capped and there's no strong personality to keep him in check - the coach is permissive, and AI is a great player but doesn't keep guys in line. Giving up a decent prospect like Kleiza for only the next few months isn't a great idea, either.

Knowing the Nuggets, they would try to sign him to a long-term deal and then attempt to trade K-Mart or Nene for some expiring deals....

Bottom Line: With the Nuggets, I don't think he'd be a rental. They'd sign him to a long-term deal and then have buyer's remorse halfway through the next season.

[Bruno]

I have some hope Spurs won't have to deal Splitter if the deal happens.

First, Kings still have 2 young bigs with Shelden Williams and Spencer Hawes.

Second, Splitter still has a contract and a buyout in Europe. Splitter will lose a lot of money if he decides to come in NBA instead of staying in Spain. He is ready to make that sacrifice for Spurs but it's not sure that he will be ready to make it for Kings. If Kings gets Splitter rights, there is a chance that they never get Splitter. A first round pick is a more sure thing for them.

[Holt's Cat]

I have some hope Spurs won't have to deal Splitter if the deal happens.

First, Kings still have 2 young bigs with Shelden Williams and Spencer Hawes.

Second, Splitter still has a contract and a buyout in Europe. Splitter will lose a lot of money if he decides to come in NBA instead of staying in Spain. He is ready to make that sacrifice for Spurs but it's not sure that he will be ready to make it for Kings. If Kings gets Splitter rights, there is a chance that they never get Splitter. A first round pick is a more sure thing for them.

I'd rather see the Spurs move their pick from '09.

[AFBlue]

I have some hope Spurs won't have to deal Splitter if the deal happens.

First, Kings still have 2 young bigs with Shelden Williams and Spencer Hawes.

Second, Splitter still has a contract and a buyout in Europe. Splitter will lose a lot of money if he decides to come in NBA instead of staying in Spain. He is ready to make that sacrifice for Spurs but it's not sure that he will be ready to make it for Kings. If Kings gets Splitter rights, there is a chance that they never get Splitter. A first round pick is a more sure thing for them.

I'd give them Mahinmi as a tie-breaker w/ the Nuggets offer.

[Ghost Writer]

Im looking forward to the possibility of an Ai/Artest/Melo/Kmart/Camby starting 5 :smokin

Worst case scenario is it blows up and Artest walks at the end of the season. Losing LK would suck but the payoff may be worth it
Everyone here thinks I love ballas, but I think Artest would be too much on the Nuggets, because those players aren't exactly model citizens.

You can see Artest getting into trouble with those guys, but not so much with the classy, disciplined Spurs.

[Streakyshooter08]

I have a gut feeling, that the Spurs only get Artest if they include Splitter...

[naico]

Think y'all are forgetting something..Karl is very high on their draft pick Axel Hervelle who plays for Real Madrid. Why would he want Splitter? Maybe an upgrade but like i said they really like the Belgian.

[Streakyshooter08]

Think y'all are forgetting something..Karl is very high on their draft pick Axel Hervelle who plays for Real Madrid. Why would he want Splitter? Maybe an upgrade but like i said they really like the Belgian.

You could be right. I just think that Splitter is an asset teams might be interested in. He is a great talent. That, along with picks and expiring contracts could be intriguing for teams.

Barry/ Elson+ Splitter+ pick really fits the formula of capspace and talent.

That said, I hope the Spurs keep Splitter. I could very very well live with them trading Mahinmi.

[Ghost Writer]

Fvck it... the Spurs are built to win now.

[Holt's Cat]

Right, so don't throw away your young talent.

[Ghost Writer]

Right, so don't throw away your young talent.
You are willing to trade the same pick for ol' @ss Thomas.

Be consistent.

[Holt's Cat]

For a need, sure. For a fetish, no.

[Ghost Writer]

For a need, sure. For a fetish, no.
:lol

That was good.

Man, let me posit this...

If the Spurs try for Thomas and can't make it work and then "settle" for trading for Artest, would you still be terribly upset?

[Holt's Cat]

:lol

That was good.

Man, let me posit this...

If the Spurs try for Thomas and can't make it work and then "settle" for trading for Artest, would you still be terribly upset?


Why would I be "upset"? It is what it is. Basketball.

[Ghost Writer]

Why would I be "upset"? It is what it is. Basketball.
Let me push it...

Would you be happy with the deal or wish it was not done?

Again, presuming they exhausted all other options.

[nbrans]

Spurs/Kings nearing deal?

The latest from Sac Bee's Sam Amick:

12:22 p.m.
The Spurs may be nearing a deal for Artest, although it's also believed Denver may finally be willing to give up Linas Kleiza. Of course, my flight from Portland to Sacramento is at this very moment, so we'll see where things stand when I land.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/

[timvp]

Spurs/Kings nearing deal?

The latest from Sac Bee's Sam Amick:

12:22 p.m.
The Spurs may be nearing a deal for Artest, although it's also believed Denver may finally be willing to give up Linas Kleiza. Of course, my flight from Portland to Sacramento is at this very moment, so we'll see where things stand when I land.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/Holy crap.

This trade talk is for real, I guess. This is now the fourth or fifth place that I've heard an Artest trade is nearing reality.

Amazing.

:dizzy

[Mr. Body]

Spurs/Kings nearing deal?

The latest from Sac Bee's Sam Amick:

12:22 p.m.
The Spurs may be nearing a deal for Artest, although it's also believed Denver may finally be willing to give up Linas Kleiza. Of course, my flight from Portland to Sacramento is at this very moment, so we'll see where things stand when I land.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/

Holy shit. It might happen.

[MadDog73]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Don't the Spurs get close to a major trade every year?

[FromWayDowntown]

What's funny is the entry before claiming that Artest demolished the Spurs in the playoffs two years ago.

I'm pretty sure that was Bonzi Wells, unless he's recalling the virtually-crippling hit that Artest put on Parker in Game 6 that seemed to bother Parker throughout the next series.

[Holt's Cat]

Let me push it...

Would you be happy with the deal or wish it was not done?

Again, presuming they exhausted all other options.


What's done is done. I think I might get a little disenchanted when money becomes an issue, considering the sweet little arena deal the franchise has, but it is what it is. No amount of bitching is going to change what is. So enjoy the success, see what options are available to improve, and enjoy the fact that the rest of the league is trying desperately to keep up with the San Antonio Spurs.

[Holt's Cat]

Spurs/Kings nearing deal?

The latest from Sac Bee's Sam Amick:

12:22 p.m.
The Spurs may be nearing a deal for Artest, although it's also believed Denver may finally be willing to give up Linas Kleiza. Of course, my flight from Portland to Sacramento is at this very moment, so we'll see where things stand when I land.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/


Well at least a first round pick would be going out the door. One could hope that the Spurs could be able to use their trade exception along with Barry to make the salaries match and then have Elson available to perhaps use in another small deal (ie Damien Wilkins). Of course, the Spurs might prefer to keep their big in that scenario.

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder what the Spurs would be giving up. Could be a lot.

[Ghost Writer]

Holy crap.

This trade talk is for real, I guess. This is now the fourth or fifth place that I've heard an Artest trade is nearing reality.

Amazing.

:dizzy
Amazing?

No.

Willed?

Yes.


:fro

[Spurminator]

Wow. Color me somewhat surprised if this happens.

[Ghost Writer]

My heart is pounding.

Is this why "fan" is short for "fanatic"?

I've wanted Artest on this team for over 7 years now.

I really believe the Spurs can de-balla him and he can contribute here.

How cool would it be for the Spurs to answer the rest of the West with a pimp move like this.

Back-to-back, baby!

[ThomasGranger]

They're probably just using the local media to ratchet up the pressure on Denver to throw in Kleiza.

[Holt's Cat]

They're probably just using the local media to ratchet up the pressure on Denver to throw in Kleiza.


That's the feeling I'm getting. Denver wants to make a move to get into the top 4 in the West, especially with the amount they have invested in their roster. If a player they're very interested in could go to the Spurs then that should shake a little extra change out of their pockets.

[Bruno]

An Artest to SA trade looks really similar to the Rasheed to Detroit trade in 2004.
Detroit get Rasheed, a headcase with an expiring contract, for expiring contract and a first round pick.

I think Kings can get slightly more than Atlanta get for Rasheed because they aren't in a must trade mode.
I just hope this trade, if it happens, will have the same result for Spurs in 08 than for Pistons in 04.

[Holt's Cat]

On a side note, doesn't AI to SA in '09 seem inevitable?

[Bruno]

Artest doesn't really fit with Denver. He will mainly have to play out of position at SG and Denver needs shooter, especially if Kleiza is gone.
Anyway, it's George Karl and I wouldn't be surprised to see him doing a trade that doesn't make a lot of sense roster wise.

[Ghost Writer]

On a side note, doesn't AI to SA in '09 seem inevitable?
No.

[Holt's Cat]

No.


How so? Veteran star. Been there, done that. Looking for a ring. By that time Denver will have gone as far as they are going to go.

[coachmac87]

yea the spurs wont make this deal....i would be shocked if it happens!!!! mentioning the spurs only puts more pressure on denver.

if the spurs do get artest do u start him at the pf?

i like the trade honestly....but it just doesnt seem right

[Holt's Cat]

yea the spurs wont make this deal....i would be shocked if it happens!!!! mentioning the spurs only puts more pressure on denver.

if the spurs do get artest do u start him at the pf?

i like the trade honestly....but it just doesnt seem right


No. They already have someone there.

[timvp]

I'm trying to buy that this trade could be legit but it just doesn't sound possible. Artest to the Spurs? Eh, just doesn't compute. If the Spurs wanted Artest, they could have gotten him for HITA six years ago.

Perhaps the Spurs are trying to drive up Artest's asking price so that he doesn't go to a contender cheaply. Artest guards Manu pretty well so the Spurs wouldn't want him to end up with a contender without the contender having to give up something of value.

[Holt's Cat]

I'm trying to buy that this trade could be legit but it just doesn't sound possible. Artest to the Spurs? Eh, just doesn't compute. If the Spurs wanted Artest, they could have gotten him for HITA six years ago.

Perhaps the Spurs are trying to drive up Artest's asking price so that he doesn't go to a contender cheaply. Artest guards Manu pretty well so the Spurs wouldn't want him to end up with a contender without the contender having to give up something of value.


Probably so. Then again, maybe they are willing to risk it.

[ChumpDumper]

yea the spurs wont make this deal....i would be shocked if it happens!!!! mentioning the spurs only puts more pressure on denver.

if the spurs do get artest do u start him at the pf?
They wouldn't start him there, but they would sure play him there a lot.

[Mr. Body]

I'm trying to buy that this trade could be legit but it just doesn't sound possible. Artest to the Spurs? Eh, just doesn't compute. If the Spurs wanted Artest, they could have gotten him for HITA six years ago.

Perhaps the Spurs are trying to drive up Artest's asking price so that he doesn't go to a contender cheaply. Artest guards Manu pretty well so the Spurs wouldn't want him to end up with a contender without the contender having to give up something of value.

Well, they didn't want him six years ago. Things were very different, and Ron Artest wasn't Ron Artest yet.

That said, I can't believe this is possible, either.

[coachmac87]

and can the spurs involve ime udoka in a trade?

[Holt's Cat]

Artest in SA would come off the bench, playing some at the 3 and on occasion at the 4 as matchups dictate. That makes the most sense; limits the change needed should Artest do something stupid and be unavailable, matches Artest up against other team's second units, and allows the Spurs to maintain continuity with their starting 5.

[Holt's Cat]

and can the spurs involve ime udoka in a trade?


Why?

[coachmac87]

No. They already have someone there.


its called smallball cocksucker

[Mr. Body]

and can the spurs involve ime udoka in a trade?

Please, no.

[Holt's Cat]

its called smallball cocksucker

It's called clarity, dumbass.

[Ghost Writer]

How so? Veteran star. Been there, done that. Looking for a ring. By that time Denver will have gone as far as they are going to go.
Iverson's greatest asset is his speed... I am not sure his skills won't have deteriorated a little by then.

I'd entertain bringing him in, but not for a long-term or lucrative deal.

Actually... you think he's "Spurs material"?

For me to flinch a little is telling...

... y'know, Iverson has been good for Denver, so what not if the price is right?

[coachmac87]

Why?


legit prospect??? he has more upside than barry..if spurs trade barry i think barry retires at seasons end.

was just curious if they could trade udoka if someone asked for him

[Mr. Body]

Artest in SA would come off the bench, playing some at the 3 and on occasion at the 4 as matchups dictate. That makes the most sense; limits the change needed should Artest do something stupid and be unavailable, matches Artest up against other team's second units, and allows the Spurs to maintain continuity with their starting 5.

He'd start in some small ball sets, but I agree. Usually he'll be off the bench. With Manu, they'll have a devastating second unit.

[coachmac87]

He'd start in some small ball sets, but I agree. Usually he'll be off the bench. With Manu, they'll have a devastating second unit.


if artest is on the bench...start manu!

[Ghost Writer]

Artest in SA would come off the bench, playing some at the 3 and on occasion at the 4 as matchups dictate. That makes the most sense; limits the change needed should Artest do something stupid and be unavailable, matches Artest up against other team's second units, and allows the Spurs to maintain continuity with their starting 5.
Wrong.

He should start.

He's better than Bowen and there's not a ton of dropoff on the defensive end.

Pop may start Bowen over him out of loyalty.

He could move Finley to the bench, possibly.


And don't you dare warm up to this idea now, Holt's Cat.

[Holt's Cat]

Iverson's greatest asset is his speed... I am not sure his skills won't have deteriorated a little by then.

So he gets 20 minutes a night. Speed isn't a bad thing (ie Parker).



I'd entertain bringing him in, but not for a long-term or lucrative deal.

Actually... you think he's "Spurs material"?

For me to flinch a little is telling...

... y'know, Iverson has been good for Denver, so what not if the price is right?

Sure he is. See, the greatest misconception about Pop is that he's some kind of old school white ex-military dude who expects his players to look a certain way. That's furthest from the case. He does expect his players to be professionals, execute, and play to win. He differs in style than one of his mentors, Larry Brown, who treats his players like idiots and teaches them again and again even though they've been in the league for 10 years. Pop does get frustrated with young players, as he treats them like pros and expects them to act like pros. That was the problem with Udrih. But Pop's style seems to go over very well with the vets he coaches. He doesn't talk down to them, but he will call them out on the carpet when warranted. But he's fair and transparent about it. That's how I see AI as a natural fit with the Spurs.

[Holt's Cat]

Wrong.

He should start.

He's better than Bowen and there's not a ton of dropoff on the defensive end.

Pop may start Bowen over him out of loyalty.

He could move Finley to the bench, possibly.


And don't you dare warm up to this idea now, Holt's Cat.


I'm not warming up to the idea, I'm just telling it like it is. They aren't going to shuffle the starting lineup to start him. Elson and Barry are going out the door. A mobile big and a swingman, both off the bench, and Barry sees a lot of 3 and even 4 in some Spur lineups.

[tp2021]

man if we had bruce, tim, ime, and artest, we could hold every opponent to sub-18 point quarters, just like last night against the bobcats.

[Holt's Cat]

Oh well, let's let the Spurs actually acquire the player before we start the circle jerk about how Pop is obviously not coaching correctly and playing Artest 48 minutes a night.

[naico]

Like i said before i dont think its gonna happen. But Sacramento likes it though. Now pressure's on Denver and they'll be foolish enough to give up more than they had anticipated. They are not willing to let Artest go to the spurs. never.

[coachmac87]

Like i said before i dont think its gonna happen. But Sacramento likes it though. Now pressure's on Denver and they'll be foolish enough to give up more than they had anticipated. They are not willing to let Artest go to the spurs. never.


and will the spurs allow him to denver???

[Holt's Cat]

If the Spurs do this then perhaps they find some old vet big out there to come in and lean on Shaq for 10 minutes a night.

[Holt's Cat]

Better yet, Spurs do this deal and Kurt Thomas is bought out by Sammy and joins the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Spurs do this then perhaps they find some old vet big out there to come in and lean on Shaq for 10 minutes a night.Seems like that would be easier to get as a FA signing than an Artest-like talent. PJ Brown, maybe Kurt Thomas in a few weeks.

[Ghost Writer]

So he gets 20 minutes a night. Speed isn't a bad thing (ie Parker).



Sure he is. See, the greatest misconception about Pop is that he's some kind of old school white ex-military dude who expects his players to look a certain way. That's furthest from the case. He does expect his players to be professionals, execute, and play to win. He differs in style than one of his mentors, Larry Brown, who treats his players like idiots and teaches them again and again even though they've been in the league for 10 years. Pop does get frustrated with young players, as he treats them like pros and expects them to act like pros. That was the problem with Udrih. But Pop's style seems to go over very well with the vets he coaches. He doesn't talk down to them, but he will call them out on the carpet when warranted. But he's fair and transparent about it. That's how I see AI as a natural fit with the Spurs.
Uh... we agree about Iverson, except you won't sell him on 20 MPG.

[Spurminator]

and will the spurs allow him to denver???


They have nothing to offer that beats a trade involving Kleiza.

[Holt's Cat]

Replace Barry and Elson with Artest and Thomas? Maybe the Ghost-Spam would finally end.

Nah, it never does.

[ChumpDumper]

They have nothing to offer that beats a trade involving Kleiza.Just more picks, maybe.

[Holt's Cat]

Uh... we agree about Iverson, except you won't sell him on 20 MPG.

If he wants a ring he will be sold. That's 35 year old AI by that time.

[Indazone]

Are you nuts? With Artest's scoring ability and his multiple titles of defensive player of the year. Bruce Bowen's minutes would drop to near zero. Artest would run circles around him. Artest is a cinch to start. That being said. I really really don't want him going to the Spurs. Please Isiah! Zach Randolph for Artest!!!

[tav1]

My guess is that Artest would start along with Fin and the rest of the regulars. Bowen's minutes would sink to like 15 per, and Udoka would play the 4 in small ball sets.

[Holt's Cat]

Are you nuts? With Artest's scoring ability and his multiple titles of defensive player of the year. Bruce Bowen's minutes would drop to near zero. Artest would run circles around him. Artest is a cinch to start. That being said. I really really don't want him going to the Spurs. Please Isiah! Zach Randolph for Artest!!!

Artest won't be expected to defend the opponent's primary scorer in SA. The opponent's primary perimeter scorer usually starts, so Bowen starts. If Manu stays in the starting lineup then there's all the more reason for Artest to come off the bench.

[theroc5]

Parker Manu bowen artest and Duncan in the 4th qrt :smokin

[Ghost Writer]

Artest won't be expected to defend the opponent's primary scorer in SA. The opponent's primary perimeter scorer usually starts, so Bowen starts. If Manu stays in the starting lineup then there's all the more reason for Artest to come off the bench.
I see Manu going to the bench and leading the second team again with Artest mercifully supplanting Bowen or Finley as a starter.

Either we save aging Bowen for his defensive prowress in the playoffs or gain Finely's 3s off the bench. Neither is as well-rounded as Artest.

I was right about D. Stoudamire starting, too.

[Holt's Cat]

My guess is that Artest would start along with Fin and the rest of the regulars. Bowen's minutes would sink to like 15 per, and Udoka would play the 4 in small ball sets.

Udoka's minutes will be squeezed as Manu/Finley will get the minutes at the 2 and Bowen/Artest would get the minutes at the 3. In 'small ball' sets it would likely be Artest who slides to the 4.

[hater]

hoopsworld:

The Denver Nuggets remain engaged in trade negotiations with the Sacramento Kings. As of Wednesday morning, the Nuggets had been reluctant to part with Linas Kleiza. However, according to a league source, the Nuggets are now "strongly considering" giving up Kleiza in a deal for Artest.
The source indicated that the San Antonio Spurs have now entered the bidding offering a package of Francisco Elson, Brent Barry and multiple draft picks. The Spurs late interest may have encouraged Denver to consider upping the ante in their pursuit of Artest.

Despite Denver's ongoing interest in Artest, Memphis' Mike Miller has been Denver's number one target from the start. However, one source stated that Miller has "been pulled off the table." The Nuggets made an effort to get him, but it appears they are going to come up short in their pursuit.

If Miller is indeed off the table as league sources have indicated, Artest is the last big name in play for the Nuggets. The argument being made by members of Denver's front office is that Artest is a great player, and if the Nuggets can get a great player by giving up complementary pieces, it's a move they have to get done if they can. It's not that people in Denver don't think highly of Kleiza, but at the end of the day he's currently a backup small forward. The thinking is that if Denver has to give up a couple of reserves and a draft pick to get a player of Artest's caliber, it's a deal they have to get done if they can.

As of this moment, no deal is imminent. And in addition to the Spurs, the Houston Rockets are also believed to be looking into the possibility of acquiring Artest. However, the Nuggets appear to be putting on one last full-court press in an effort to win the Artest sweepstakes.

Stay tuned to HOOPSWORLD for the latest.

[Holt's Cat]

I see Manu going to the bench and leading the second team again with Artest mercifully supplanting Bowen or Finley as a starter.

Either we save aging Bowen for his defensive prowress in the playoffs or gain Finely's 3s off the bench. Neither is as well-rounded as Artest.

I was right about D. Stoudamire starting, too.


That was with Parker out. Did he continue to start?

[Ghost Writer]

They have nothing to offer that beats a trade involving Kleiza.
Yeah, but the Nuggets are being stubborn about Linas.

[carib]

That's crazy right there both Ron and Manu coming of the bench, that would be one of the best bench in history

[Holt's Cat]

If Manu goes to the bench then Finley starts at the 2, per usual. Artest will be the guy to pick up the slack in the swingman rotation with Barry gone and the small ball 4.

[tav1]

No way Udoka's minutes are squeezed. He's already playing over Bowen at the end of the game as it is. Bowen is cleary the odd ducky.

[ChumpDumper]

Who started at the point last night?

[Spurminator]

Yeah, but the Nuggets are being stubborn about Linas.

I know, I'm just saying it would appear the ball is in Denver's court. If they decide to part with Kleiza, I don't think the Spurs can beat that offer.

[coachmac87]

artest is going to denver.......if klezia is the only thing holding back artest...they would be stupid if they dont get him

[Holt's Cat]

If the Spurs do this then they are going to minimize the potential damage that Artest could do if he has a meltdown. So he comes off the bench.

[FromWayDowntown]

Who started at the point last night?

Jacque Vaughn.

[coachmac87]

I know, I'm just saying it would appear the ball is in Denver's court. If they decide to part with Kleiza, I don't think the Spurs can beat that offer.


the name is splitter :smokin :drunk

[ThomasGranger]

And in addition to the Spurs, the Houston Rockets are also believed to be looking into the possibility of acquiring Artest. However, the Nuggets appear to be putting on one last full-court press in an effort to win the Artest sweepstakes.

Bonzi for Artest!



On a more serious note, it would suck if the Rockets used Scola to nab Artest.

[Spurminator]

I'd see us starting Artest against Dallas... Artest on Dirk would be deadly.

[Holt's Cat]

I foresee endless future posts about Pop's stubborn refusal to start Artest if this trade goes down.

[Brutalis]

It's a done deal we got Artest. I have no proof. Just pulled the magic cards!!!

[coachmac87]

I'd see us starting Artest against Dallas... Artest on Dirk would be deadly.


artest will just give us different line up options in the playoffs...sometimes have manu off bench...and small ball put artest at 4 etc.

[LilMissSPURfect]

:dramaquee

[Brutalis]

Source: Artest Will Stay with Kings

Posted: 2/20/2008 11:35:00 AM
Source: Denver Post

Sacramento's Ron Artest is a possibility for Denver. But a source close to Artest said Denver has yet to contact Artest's management. And the source said his gut says Artest will remain with the Kings, notably because Artest can option out of his contract at season's end.

That said, Denver does have lucrative pieces for Sacramento, notably the budding youngster Linas Kleiza, an expiring contract in Eduardo Najera's and a 2008 first-round draft pick.

[Kori Ellis]

If Artest comes, I don't think he'd start at first because the Spurs don't hand newcomers starting spots (don't point out Damon, Tony was hurt).

But if the Spurs want to go small against teams, they can just start him at PF. The Spurs bigs suck anyway.

Eventually, Manu/Bowen could start with Fin/Artest off the bench. Or they can move Manu back to the bench in favor of Artest.

I am still not sold that the deal will get done, because I think Denver will eventually give up Kleiza. Unfortunately for the Spurs, a broken down Barry and bad player in Elson might not be enough to get the deal done. Maybe they'd throw in Mahinmi or Splitter, who knows.

[Holt's Cat]

Source: Artest Will Stay with Kings

Posted: 2/20/2008 11:35:00 AM
Source: Denver Post

Sacramento's Ron Artest is a possibility for Denver. But a source close to Artest said Denver has yet to contact Artest's management. And the source said his gut says Artest will remain with the Kings, notably because Artest can option out of his contract at season's end.

That said, Denver does have lucrative pieces for Sacramento, notably the budding youngster Linas Kleiza, an expiring contract in Eduardo Najera's and a 2008 first-round draft pick.

Sacto would be counting on a sign and trade possibility then. But if they can't find a deal now...

[Ghost Writer]

Yeah. Stephen Jackson eventually started.

Talent wins out.

[Holt's Cat]

Then he left. That shows the inefficacy of acquiring young talent through free agency.

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah. Stephen Jackson eventually started.

Talent wins out.

Yeah he sat on the bench for an entire year though. Artest (likely) won't be here next year.

[td4mvp21]

I just don't want him to come over here and fuck up the chemistry.

[MoSpur]

I would start him over Finley. A starting lineup of Duncan, Oberto, Artest, Bowen, and Parker.

[Brutalis]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi...g_in_on_artest/

February 20, 2008 - 4:59 pm
Sacramento Bee -
According to the Sacramento Bee the Spurs are closing in on a deal for Ron Artest.

The Spurs would send the expiring contracts of Francisco Elson and Brent Barry for Artest and possibly include a draft pick.

It is also believed, however, that Denver may be ready to part ways with Linas Kleiza for Artest.

Houston also reportedly had conversations with the Kings about Artest.

[ThomasGranger]

Artest (likely) won't be here next year.

Agreed. Which is why I hope the Spurs don't offer too much (i.e. more than Barry, Elson and picks) to get him.

[Holt's Cat]

I just don't want him to come over here and fuck up the chemistry.


Chemistry? This isn't 10th grade.

Popd@mn.

Elements don't win championships. The mentally ill do!

:cooldevil

[Brutalis]

Yeah he sat on the bench for an entire year though. Artest (likely) won't be here next year.
If he is traded here I bet he will stay here.

He won't take a cut, but he has so much respect for TD and once he experiences winning ways I truly believe he'd stay.

[Mister Sinister]

If we *do* get Artest, and he *does* behave, I'll welcome him.

[Mister Sinister]

Chemistry? This isn't 10th grade.

Popd@mn.

Elements don't win championships. The mentally ill do!

:cooldevil
My large supply of Artestium disagrees with you.

[ThomasGranger]

This whole thing will probably go down like some stupid ebay auction--somebody's going to swoop in at the last second and overbid.

[Que Gee]

If Artest comes, I don't think he'd start at first because the Spurs don't hand newcomers starting spots (don't point out Damon, Tony was hurt).

But if the Spurs want to go small against teams, they can just start him at PF. The Spurs bigs suck anyway.

Eventually, Manu/Bowen could start with Fin/Artest off the bench. Or they can move Manu back to the bench in favor of Artest.

I am still not sold that the deal will get done, because I think Denver will eventually give up Kleiza. Unfortunately for the Spurs, a broken down Barry and bad player in Elson might not be enough to get the deal done. Maybe they'd throw in Mahinmi or Splitter, who knows.

Artest will stay where he is...But looks like the Celts might pick up the Hawks pieces from the Bibby trade from Sac.

[SenorSpur]

hoopsworld:

The Denver Nuggets remain engaged in trade negotiations with the Sacramento Kings. As of Wednesday morning, the Nuggets had been reluctant to part with Linas Kleiza. However, according to a league source, the Nuggets are now "strongly considering" giving up Kleiza in a deal for Artest.
The source indicated that the San Antonio Spurs have now entered the bidding offering a package of Francisco Elson, Brent Barry and multiple draft picks. The Spurs late interest may have encouraged Denver to consider upping the ante in their pursuit of Artest.

Despite Denver's ongoing interest in Artest, Memphis' Mike Miller has been Denver's number one target from the start. However, one source stated that Miller has "been pulled off the table." The Nuggets made an effort to get him, but it appears they are going to come up short in their pursuit.

If Miller is indeed off the table as league sources have indicated, Artest is the last big name in play for the Nuggets. The argument being made by members of Denver's front office is that Artest is a great player, and if the Nuggets can get a great player by giving up complementary pieces, it's a move they have to get done if they can. It's not that people in Denver don't think highly of Kleiza, but at the end of the day he's currently a backup small forward. The thinking is that if Denver has to give up a couple of reserves and a draft pick to get a player of Artest's caliber, it's a deal they have to get done if they can.

As of this moment, no deal is imminent. And in addition to the Spurs, the Houston Rockets are also believed to be looking into the possibility of acquiring Artest. However, the Nuggets appear to be putting on one last full-court press in an effort to win the Artest sweepstakes.

Stay tuned to HOOPSWORLD for the latest.

ESPN's Ric Bucher was on NBA Coast to Coast on Tuesday night. He stated that Memphis has indeed pulled Miller off the table, as they have NO intention of trading him at this time.

Never say never, right!

[coachmac87]

go get em RC

what would artest number be???

[ThomasGranger]

ESPN's Ric Bucher was on NBA Coast to Coast on Tuesday night. He stated that Memphis has indeed pulled Miller off the table, as they have NO intention of trading him at this time.

Christmas only comes around once a year.

[MoSpur]

This whole thing will probably go down like some stupid ebay auction--somebody's going to swoop in at the last second and overbid.

One of the most clever things I've heard in a long time.

:lmao

[nbrans]

Source: Artest Will Stay with Kings

Posted: 2/20/2008 11:35:00 AM
Source: Denver Post

Sacramento's Ron Artest is a possibility for Denver. But a source close to Artest said Denver has yet to contact Artest's management. And the source said his gut says Artest will remain with the Kings, notably because Artest can option out of his contract at season's end.

That said, Denver does have lucrative pieces for Sacramento, notably the budding youngster Linas Kleiza, an expiring contract in Eduardo Najera's and a 2008 first-round draft pick.

Just to be clear, the timestamp on this one is earlier than the one on the Bee update that talked about the Spurs trade. 11:35 Mountain (10:35 Pacific) compared to 12:22 Pacific. The Bee update is the most recent.

[Holt's Cat]

So Artest's camp hasn't spoken with the Nuggets. How about the Spurs?

:stirpot:

Anyways, the upside of keeping Artest through the end of the season is that he opts out and then someone like Zeke overbids for him (always seems to happen in free agency - see Kapono, Jason) and sends back some nice pieces (say a David Lee and an unprotected pick of some variety) for Artest. The downside is that even Zeke can figure it out and Artest ends up with someone for some part of their MLE.

This is presumably the last time (assuming Artest opts out) that the Kings can with certainty get something in return for Artest. I think this is a fair indicator of the interest around the league in him today (expiring contracts and low picks).

[Ghost Writer]

So Artest's camp hasn't spoken with the Nuggets. How about the Spurs?

:stirpot:

Anyways, the upside of keeping Artest through the end of the season is that he opts out and then someone like Zeke overbids for him (always seems to happen in free agency - see Kapono, Jason) and sends back some nice pieces (say a David Lee and an unprotected pick of some variety) for Artest. The downside is that even Zeke can figure it out and Artest ends up with someone for some part of their MLE.

This is presumably the last time (assuming Artest opts out) that the Kings can with certainty get something in return for Artest. I think this is a fair indicator of the interest around the league in him today (expiring contracts and low picks).
Good points.

And, yes, all my haters, I did not initially think of the whole sign-and-trade aspect, which is very nice.

You know Zeke and the Knicks covet Artest and can be pimped this summer.

[Gino2882]

This sounds to good to be true. I mean seriously guys. Would anyone here SERIOUSLY not trade Barry and Elson for Ron Artest? I mean come on. Artest would put this team over the top, and doesnt Artest like Tim Duncan and respect him?

I think if your the Spurs you have to do this.

[Holt's Cat]

Good points.

And, yes, all my haters, I did not initially think of the whole sign-and-trade aspect, which is very nice.

You know Zeke and the Knicks covet Artest and can be pimped this summer.


And I'm sure the Kings are aware of that as well. So it's not just the Nuggets the Spurs are competing with.

[nbrans]

Looks like the Spurs are messing with people. Latest from Sam Amick:

(2:49 p.m.)
Someone within the Spurs organization is steering folks astray, as it now seems as if that situation may not exist. It never made sense as it was, and wasn't anything close to a deal the Kings would consider. All is quiet at the moment, and my Denver source says if the Nuggets had relented on Linas Kleiza then the deal would be done.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/

[Holt's Cat]

CIA? But why?

Misdirection.

[dg7md]

We HAVE to do this. Elson and Barry for Artest is pretty much a low-risk trade.

[Kori Ellis]

Looks like the Spurs are messing with people. Latest from Sam Amick:

(2:49 p.m.)
Someone within the Spurs organization is steering folks astray, as it now seems as if that situation may not exist. It never made sense as it was, and wasn't anything close to a deal the Kings would consider. All is quiet at the moment, and my Denver source says if the Nuggets had relented on Linas Kleiza then the deal would be done.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/

He's right about that part. The Kings would want more than Barry/Elson. They would need Mahinmi, Splitter, Udoka, cash, more picks, something. Barry and Elson plus just a couple picks seems low compared to what other teams could/would offer.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

We must be getting Miller then.

[Kori Ellis]

:lol

We must be getting Miller then.

:lmao That would be funny. But my guess is that they get a big.

[Indazone]

Kings annouce last-minute trade with Spurs

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 5:20 pm EST
Word has leaked of a huge trade between the Sacramento Kings and the San Antonio Spurs. Talks between the Kings and Nuggets apparently broke down this morning. The Spurs will receive small forward Ron Artest, while the Kings will gain Brent Barry, one other undisclosed expiring contract, and San Antonio's 1st Round picks for 2008 and 2010.

Source: Sacramento Bee

Arghhh!! you guys suck!