Patriots vs. History

[timvp]

16-0?

[Fillmoe]

fuck the pats

[J.T.]

Patriots got this but only two of the many records they are pursuing will be broken.

[J.T.]

fuck the pats

This man speaks the truth. The Pats have completely eclipsed the hatred of the entire history of the Dallas Cowboys franchise in only one season. . . Case in point, by comparison the Pats were only a rival of my team before this season. . . I hated them the same way I hate the Dallas Mavericks. The Cowboys were the team I tuned in weekly hoping to see them lose. Now I couldn't care less about the Cowboys. I don't even use hate to describe the way I feel about the Cowboys, perhaps "mildly despise" is more accurate. I hate the Pats so much I openly wish injury on any man on their roster, as low as that is. I hate them the way I hate my shitty job and my shitty dead end life. It would be cool if FOX devoted part of the next season of 24 to something relating to the Pats.

[BeerIsGood!]

This man speaks the truth. The Pats have completely eclipsed the hatred of the entire history of the Dallas Cowboys franchise in only one season. . . Case in point, by comparison the Pats were only a rival of my team before this season. . . I hated them the same way I hate the Dallas Mavericks. The Cowboys were the team I tuned in weekly hoping to see them lose. Now I couldn't care less about the Cowboys. I don't even use hate to describe the way I feel about the Cowboys, perhaps "mildly despise" is more accurate. I hate the Pats so much I openly wish injury on any man on their roster, as low as that is. I hate them the way I hate my shitty job and my shitty dead end life. It would be cool if FOX devoted part of the next season of 24 to something relating to the Pats.
You forgot to add Guitar Hero

[J.T.]

Guitar Hero will be dead and forgotten in ten years. The Patriots 17-0 season and then heartbreaking loss to the Colts will be talked about for decades.

[slayermin]

They are chasing immortality. We will see if the football gods are fans of the '07 Patriots.

[midgetonadonkey]

Bryant Gumble is old.

[spursRgay]

Bryant Gumble is so bad at his job

[slayermin]

I think Coughlin wants to win this one. Interesting.

7-0 G-Men.

[spursRgay]

hold them to a FG, nice

[midgetonadonkey]

I bet every Pats fan in the country just shit themselves.

[slayermin]

I cannot believe they called that illegal contact.

Moss pushes off on fourth down and no call.

[spursRgay]

yea really weak illegal contact call

[SpursFanFirst]

That return was truly a thing of beauty! :clap

[midgetonadonkey]

yea really weak illegal contact call

About as weak as that celebration call.

[spursRgay]

About as weak as that celebration call.

Agreed

[slayermin]

Wasn't that illegal contact by Harrison? Such crap.

[midgetonadonkey]

Wasn't that illegal contact by Harrison? Such crap.

Apparently not.

[slayermin]

Apparently not.

He was grabbing him after five yards.

[SpursFanFirst]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

[midgetonadonkey]

That dude should be ejected for trying to poke someone's eye.

[SpursFanFirst]

That dude should be ejected for trying to poke someone's eye.

Yeah...I doubt I would've just swatted his hand away.

[spursRgay]

the delay of game and the eye poke...bitch moves by a bitch team

[slayermin]

Eli looking like Peyton out there.

[J.T.]

Hey bostonguy, how do you like the "best shutdown corner in the league" after that BURN?

[J.T.]

So I guess I need to get Peyton Manning's new #10 Giants jersey... how did I not hear about this game day trade???

[slayermin]

I have to give Coughlin and the Giants a lot of props on playing everyone and playing with heart. It's a shame that Mitchell and O'Hara went down. Hopefully they aren't seriously hurt and it won't take away from Coughlin's desire to win this game.

[Slinkyman]

the delay of game and the eye poke...bitch moves by a bitch team

which is worse, eye poke or horse collar tackle? bitch fan of a bitch ass team.

[spursRgay]

which is worse, eye poke or horse collar tackle? bitch fan of a bitch ass team.

are you serious? fag

[Slinkyman]

are you serious? fag

fuck you bitch, quit acting like your shit don't stink.

[midgetonadonkey]

My shit stinks gacho bad.

[ratm1221]

I figured out that I like men today. There I said it.

[Slinkyman]

i sucked slinkyman's cock today, i'm not queer i just had to see if the rumors were true. Everyone loves a slinky!

[J.T.]

That top 10 back in the league, Laurence Baloney, sure got it done on that one.

[J.T.]

That sack and drop kicked so much ass. Their madden cheat codes are wearing off.

[J.T.]

I like how NFL jinxed them on the "They've scored 7 TDs on the opening drive in the 2nd half" stat.

[slayermin]

Brady taking hits. I love it.

[midgetonadonkey]

That top 10 back in the league, Laurence Baloney, sure got it done on that one.

Laurence Baloney? Seriously, is that the best you got?

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

[BeerIsGood!]

This is a no win situation. I hate the Giants but want the Pats to not go 16-0.

[slayermin]

Jacobs just ran over Harrison.

[BeerIsGood!]

but things are looking good to clean up a couple hundred on vbookie

[midgetonadonkey]

I don't see the Pats pulling this off.

[spursRgay]

fuck you bitch, quit acting like your shit don't stink.

Staying on top of someone just to run time off the clock and deliberately poking someone in the eye are both premeditated bitch moves...a horse collar is wrong but is done in the heat of a play.

Also, one player on the Cowboys does that, not the whole team...that sequence right there had multiple Patriots making bitch moves. Couple that with things done by them throughout the season like Welker yelling "you fucking suck" after a play and IMO this is a bitch ass team.

One more thing, you're a fag

[BeerIsGood!]

I want Brady, Manning, Rivers, and Rothlisberger to all take a severe beating and the jags go to the SB

[J.T.]

Who would have thought the Giants of all teams. . .

[slayermin]

I want Brady to take some more hits!!!!!!!!

[J.T.]

I want Brady, Manning, Rivers, and Rothlisberger to all take a severe beating and the jags go to the SB

What, scared of the good teams?

I think it would be hilarious if the Giants win this game and then both of these teams make the Super Bowl and they do it again. Of course, The Manning Bowl Part 2 is the matchup I am rooting for.

[Budkin]

Wow the Giants are going to end all this perfection talk. Those Dolphin geezers are having a circle jerk right now!

[spursRgay]

DON'T SAY THAT YET!! :bang

[FromWayDowntown]

Who would have thought the Giants of all teams. . .

The classic Giants part is that next week against Tampa, they'll lay some complete egg.

[Budkin]

DON'T SAY THAT YET!! :bang

D'oh!

[slayermin]

Eli needs to try to get at least a field goal here.

[J.T.]

Well as long as it's not a TD pass. . . My homeboy's record is still safe.

[J.T.]

Eli needs to try to get at least a field goal here.

Eli and Jacobs need to burn a shit ton of clock on the way to any scoring play.

[J.T.]

I think Eli got a bigger nuts transplant before the game.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

14.5 looks safe.

[J.T.]

I spoke too soon.

[spursRgay]

oh that sack hurts

[SpursFanFirst]

I'm not feeling too confident now. :depressed

[spursRgay]

oh no way he called that timeout in time

[SpursFanFirst]

Umm...did he really get that TO call BEFORE the clock ran down?? I could swear it was at :00 before he made the call.

[J.T.]

That should have been a DOG on the Pats. Here comes their big bag of voodoo shit.

[CubanMustGo]

Patriot rules.

[NOT patriots rule]

[SpursFanFirst]

That kind of crap only happens for the Patriots. Give me a break. :bang

[Budkin]

Hmm...

[SpursFanFirst]

:cuss it's like time is standing still...

[atxrocker]

still alot of time

[J.T.]

See what I mean with this voodoo shit. Eli's head is going to separate from his body without any contact. Then the camera will shift to Belichick with an Eli doll in his hands.

[spursRgay]

Brady doesn't care about the TD record...Bullshit!

[CubanMustGo]

Wow - what a drop by Moss.

[CubanMustGo]

Oh well.

[SpursFanFirst]

:depressed

[Hank the Tank]

fuck! bring on that prick bostonguy.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I think everybody in the world but the Giants defensive coaching staff knew the Pats were going right back to Moss.

[lefty]

Brady trusting Moss after his choking act !!!!!!!!!

:elephant

[midgetonadonkey]

Well as long as it's not a TD pass. . . My homeboy's record is still safe.

I guess your "homeboys" record wasn't so safe after all.

[SpursFanFirst]

dang it.
ugh...and these announcers need to :stfu
The game is NOT over.

[spursRgay]

yea bostonguy should show up pretty soon

[SpursFanFirst]

the arrogance of these guys make me sick.

[Hank the Tank]

it's not over yet.

..not even close.

[lefty]

the arrogance of these guys make me sick.

MUAHAHA

[SpursFanFirst]

and listen to these announcers trying to turn that call around on the Giants. Whatever.

[midgetonadonkey]

I don't get how they are arrogant.

[CubanMustGo]

Lessee. Pats hit kick returner out of bounds, penalty on Giants. Check.

[SpursFanFirst]

Giants need to pull it together. Quick.

[midgetonadonkey]

Lessee. Pats hit kick returner out of bounds, penalty on Giants. Check.

The dude wasn't even out of bounds yet.

[SpursFanFirst]

I don't get how they are arrogant.

Really? Hm.

[midgetonadonkey]

Really? Hm.

Seriously. Explain it.

[monosylab1k]

Brady got his record, get him the fuck out. 16-0 isn't worth a brady injury.

[SpursFanFirst]

Bruschi on the sidelines...Moss in the end zone...throwing their arms in the arm like they're God...
everything about them is smug.
It's one thing to be happy and celebrate, but they take it to another level.

...and this is where the Giants fall apart.

[Hank the Tank]

OMG!

fuck this shit!

[slayermin]

Eli remembered he was Eli.

[monosylab1k]

Really? Hm.
When you're 15-0 you get that luxury. Too bad Peyton and his cheap 1 SB win against Rex Grossman isn't all that impressive compared to everything the Pats have done.

[J.T.]

I guess your "homeboys" record wasn't so safe after all.

The record is already illegitimate because it took Brady longer to get 49...

[midgetonadonkey]

Bruschi on the sidelines...Moss in the end zone...throwing their arms in the arm like they're God...
everything about them is smug.
It's one thing to be happy and celebrate, but they take it to another level.

...and this is where the Giants fall apart.

The same way T.O. does it?

That's not arrogance. It's celebrating.

[SpursFanFirst]

When you're 15-0 you get that luxury. Too bad Peyton and his cheap 1 SB win against Rex Grossman isn't all that impressive compared to everything the Pats have done.

I'm surprised to get this response from you. Really. I didn't see this coming at all.

[midgetonadonkey]

The record is already illegitimate because it took Brady longer to get 49...

Really? I think it looks the same in the record books.

[spursRgay]

please hold to a FG

[J.T.]

When you're 15-0 you get that luxury. Too bad Peyton and his cheap 1 SB win against Rex Grossman isn't all that impressive compared to everything the Pats have done.

The Pats are one Adam Vinatieri away from being the Bills of the 2000s.

[Hank the Tank]

it's fuckin over.....divine intervention is the only way they lose.....fuckers..


scratch that.

[lefty]

Game !!!!

[spursRgay]

ballgame

[spursRgay]

well it would be worse to go undefeated in the regular season and then lose in the playoffs so maybe this is a good thing

[midgetonadonkey]

The Pats are one Adam Vinatieri away from being the Bills of the 2000s.

Dude you are fucking stupid. The Colts are closer to what the Bills were than the Pats.

[J.T.]

Dude you are fucking stupid. The Colts are closer to what the Bills were than the Pats.

Dude the Pats without Adam Vinatieri don't even win one Super Bowl. Go fuck yourself.

How are the Colts close to being the Bills... 90s Bills went to the SB four times and lost all of them. . .

[FromWayDowntown]

The Pats are one Adam Vinatieri away from being the Bills of the 2000s.

That doesn't say much for the Colts, who were owned by those Patriots in the playoffs for several of those Super Bowl runs.

[ShoogarBear]

LOL, the Giants.

[J.T.]

How has Harrison not been ejected from this game yet.

[ShoogarBear]

Good that Rodney found a way to get his cheapo in.

[spursRgay]

well JT I hope your Colts can back up all your talk

[midgetonadonkey]

Dude the Pats without Adam Vinatieri don't even win one Super Bowl. Go fuck yourself.

How are the Colts close to being the Bills... 90s Bills went to the SB four times and lost all of them. . .

That's true. The 90's Bills made it to more than just one. I guess I should say the Colts are more like the 2000 Ravens.

[midgetonadonkey]

That doesn't say much for the Colts, who were owned by those Patriots in the playoffs for several of those Super Bowl runs.

He was probably a Pats fan back then since they were winning.

[SpursFanFirst]

Well, as much as it pains me to write this...
Congrats, Pats fans, on an undefeated season.

Look out for the Colts!

[J.T.]

He was probably a Pats fan back then since they were winning.

Go fvck yourself man.

[J.T.]

Well, as much as it pains me to write this...
Congrats, Pats fans, on an undefeated season.

Look out for the Colts!

More like you should have said the Pats are a bunch of arrogant, cheating, overrated sons of bitches that don't deserve shit and took way longer to break the records they did than the people who set them before they did.

Colts going to lay some wood on that ass in a few weeks.

[midgetonadonkey]

Go fvck yourself man.

Don't be mad because I am speaking the truth.

[FromWayDowntown]

The comparison to the Bills is also based entirely on assumptions.

In Super Bowl XXXVI against the Rams, the Patriots were looking, at worst, at overtime in the end game -- who's to say that they wouldn't have won the game in OT? The exact same fact is true with Super Bowl XXXVIII against the Panthers.

Similarly, in Super Bowl XXXIX against the Eagles, the Pats were up 10 late in the 4th when the Eagles scored to make it a 3 point game. It's not as if Vinatieri, for all that he did for the Pats during his tenure there, made an end-game FG to give them the winning margin -- Vinatieri's FG came with more than 8 minutes remaining in the 4th quarter.

Did Vinatieri make a huge difference for the Patriots in winning 3 Super Bowls in 4 years? Absolutely. Was his presence the only reason for those wins? Absolutely not.

[spursRgay]

comes down to one play...get that onside

[Hank the Tank]

are we gonna witness a miracle???

[FromWayDowntown]

Giants get the good bounce and take it to the house.

[FromWayDowntown]

or not.

[SpursFanFirst]

More like you should have said the Pats are a bunch of arrogant, cheating, overrated sons of bitches that don't deserve shit and took way longer to break the records they did than the people who set them before they did.

Colts going to lay some wood on that ass in a few weeks.


I was trying to be a good person.
As much as it sucks, it is what it is. They did win all of their games. Can't take that away from them.
But yeah. There's a lump in my throat. I think I might :vomit:

[midgetonadonkey]

Look at those smug bastards high fiving and what not.

Fucking arrogant pricks. The nerve of them to be happy.

[Budkin]

Props to the Pats. It's really an amazing feat that they pulled off!

[SpursFanFirst]

Look at those smug bastards high fiving and what not.

Fucking arrogant pricks. The nerve of them to be happy.


Well, you took what I said a little further than it was intended. But whatever.

Ugh...the stupid AP wires are going off like crazy.

[spursRgay]

you thought the mavs failed in the playoffs, we're about to see the greatest postseason failure in the history of sports in 2 weeks...i hope anyway

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm not sure I get the "arrogant" comment. To me, the Patriots look focused on the sidelines -- thinking less about having just scored and more about trying to figure how to get the next score, or the next stop. They've certainly had a lot of opportunities to celebrate big plays this season, but great teams have that opportunity. Do you want them to not celebrate when things go well? Do you want them to feel bad about the fact that they're really, really good -- historically good?

[midgetonadonkey]

Look at all those asshole Pats fans, smiling and what not. Even the fans are arrogant pricks.

[ratm1221]

Wow, glad that game is finally over so I can stop cheering for the Giants. I feel dirty now.

[spursRgay]

well i'm not watching sportscenter for at least 2 weeks now

[Slinkyman]

Look at all those asshole Pats fans, smiling and what not. Even the fans are arrogant pricks.

pats acting like these arrogant pricks who smile all the time...

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/sifk/2007/sifk/06/15/spurs.cavs.ap/p1_duncan-SI-nelson.jpg


http://www.nba.com/media/portrait_627_070614.jpg

who do they think they are, smiling?? talk about arrogant.

[SpursFanFirst]

Well, Midge...way to go...you've taken what i said and turned it around...Took FWD with you.
I never said they shouldn't be happy.

With that fun, I'm off. Time to head home.

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, Midge...way to go...you've taken what i said and turned it around...Took FWD with you.
I never said they shouldn't be happy.

With that fun, I'm off. Time to head home.

I read your "arrogant" comment completely independent of anything that Midge said. Please don't assume that I'm not reaching conclusions by myself.

Midge is mocking you -- I understand why that's the case.

You said


Bruschi on the sidelines...Moss in the end zone...throwing their arms in the arm like they're God...
everything about them is smug.
It's one thing to be happy and celebrate, but they take it to another level.

I'm asking you to explain in more detail just what you mean, because, frankly, I don't see whatever it is that you're claiming you see.

[SpursFanFirst]

I read your "arrogant" comment completely independent of anything that Midge said. Please don't assume that I'm not reaching conclusions by myself.

Midge is mocking you -- I understand why that's the case.

You said



I'm asking you to explain in more detail just what you mean, because, frankly, I don't see whatever it is that you're claiming you see.


I was kidding FWD....I just forgot my :lol . I was trying to get the heck out of work.
Now that I'm home, I will explain why their actions bother me so much.

It's not that I don't think they shouldn't be happy or celebrate, but I do think they take it too far.
I don't like showy people or showy actions. High-fiving or hip-bumping is one thing...
but dancing or throwing arms in the air like they're God...pretending to be filming the other team, proposing to cheerleaders (the list goes on and on)...I hate that sort of thing. And while some of those things weren't done tonight, there were actions from the Patriots team that were just as obnoxious. If I had Tivo/DVR and could download examples, I would.

I don't know. I'm a Spurs fan/Colts fan, and these aren't things you really see from those teams, and that's part of the reason why I like them so much. They just play and then move on.

And yes, I am also a Cowboys fan...and yes, TO's actions irk me too...but, I don't have the opportunity to watch their games as much living in an NFL town. I miss a lot of games...but by golly, I get to see the stupid Patriots almost every week.

So anyway, I don't mind celebrating to an extent. Players should when they do something well...but geez...try to act like it's been done before (scoring, not going undefeated.)

[lefty]

pats acting like these arrogant pricks who smile all the time...

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/sifk/2007/sifk/06/15/spurs.cavs.ap/p1_duncan-SI-nelson.jpg


http://www.nba.com/media/portrait_627_070614.jpg

who do they think they are, smiling?? talk about arrogant.

:lol at the Cavs fans in the back

[slayermin]

We'll see if they can close the deal. I still say there is more pressure on them now.

[Budkin]

I enjoy watching the Pats because they remind me of the Spurs. Only Belichik isn't charming in the slightest like Pop is.

[spursRgay]

I wouldn't call Pop charming

[spursRgay]

I hope you're kidding

[FromWayDowntown]

It's not that I don't think they shouldn't be happy or celebrate, but I do think they take it too far.

I don't like showy people or showy actions. High-fiving or hip-bumping is one thing... but dancing or throwing arms in the air like they're God...pretending to be filming the other team, proposing to cheerleaders (the list goes on and on)...I hate that sort of thing. And while some of those things weren't done tonight, there were actions from the Patriots team that were just as obnoxious. If I had Tivo/DVR and could download examples, I would.

You mean like this?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/01/22/sports/22afc.1.600.jpg

I suppose my point of quarreling with you is that you still have yet to produce a specific example applicable to these Patriots in support of your argument. I, frankly, have no idea how to identify when a player is "throwing arms in the air like [he's] God," so I suppose it would help me to understand your contention for you to explain what that means. I see players celebrating big plays by raising their arms in the air (as the foregoing illustration demonstrates) but don't associate that particular gesture with arrogance. You suggest that Patriots games are rife with these sorts of acts but fail to specifically identify a single act undertaken by a Patriot is that is somehow unique to that team or its players. Pardon me if I'm skeptical of your point.


I don't know. I'm a Spurs fan/Colts fan, and these aren't things you really see from those teams, and that's part of the reason why I like them so much. They just play and then move on.

Yeah, you know, I see exactly the same thing from the Patriots, but I must just be imagining that.

Frankly, I suspect that a great deal of your complaint about the Patriots has less to do with an objective evaluation of their actions and a whole lot to do with the fact that its the Patriots who undertake those actions. I have a friend who absolutely hates the Colts and is convinced that there is no more arrogant player in the league, on the field at least, than Peyton Manning. I don't think that's a correct statement, but, as demonstrated above, I also don't think that there's an unreasonable arrogance about the Patriots either. My point is that preferences for particular teams can (and do) often create subjective impressions of teams that aren't really justifiable. Thus, I suspect that if a Patriots player and a Colts player undertook precisely the same act, you'd be more willing to deem the Patriots player to be arrogant and the Colts player to be merely celebrating.


So anyway, I don't mind celebrating to an extent. Players should when they do something well...but geez...try to act like it's been done before (scoring, not going undefeated.)

I'm still baffled by your argument. How exactly are the Patriots celebrating routine scores in any way that differs from the usual way in which NFL players celebrate those occasions?

[J.T.]

Good place to look for Patriots players being arrogant, dicks, or both is Brady's postgame following the Ravens game. That was filled with tons of "I know I'm great and you all can kiss my ass" innuendo.

If the Pats win the Super Bowl I will not post here for a year.

[FromWayDowntown]

Good place to look for Patriots players being arrogant, dicks, or both is Brady's postgame following the Ravens game. That was filled with tons of "I know I'm great and you all can kiss my ass" innuendo.

If the Pats win the Super Bowl I will not post here for a year.

Absolutely true. I mean things like:

"It was a great game and give credit to the Ravens. They are an experienced team and they play hard, and just kept clawing back."

and

"That's football. I've been in a lot of games on the other side. [There were] a lot of questionable calls out there, and you just keep playing and make plays when you need them. We made a lot of plays under pressure, and that's what we need down the stretch."

and

"It was a long drive, which came down to third downs and fourth downs. We executed when we needed to. A lot of those calls definitely helped us out."

and

"Most of it for three quarters didn't go in our favor. On the road, tough environment against a team that has won a lot of games in the last few years. It was tough."

are pretty telling of extreme degrees of arrogance. About the only thing that Brady said that might be construed to have been "arrogant" was his statement that he would have made the first down on the fourth down play that was whistled dead for the Ravens' timeout -- but even that comment could at least be reasonably construed as an attempt at being funny.

[FlavoredIcecream]

Absolutely true. I mean things like:

"It was a great game and give credit to the Ravens. They are an experienced team and they play hard, and just kept clawing back."

and

"That's football. I've been in a lot of games on the other side. [There were] a lot of questionable calls out there, and you just keep playing and make plays when you need them. We made a lot of plays under pressure, and that's what we need down the stretch."

and

"It was a long drive, which came down to third downs and fourth downs. We executed when we needed to. A lot of those calls definitely helped us out."

and

"Most of it for three quarters didn't go in our favor. On the road, tough environment against a team that has won a lot of games in the last few years. It was tough."

are pretty telling of extreme degrees of arrogance. About the only thing that Brady said that might be construed to have been "arrogant" was his statement that he would have made the first down on the fourth down play that was whistled dead for the Ravens' timeout -- but even that comment could at least be reasonably construed as an attempt at being funny.

LOL!! Good stuff. JT is just a blind homer who thinks that Peyton Manning is Gods gift of quarterbacks. News Flash: Hes not the best QB in the game and he doesn't have the beat team.
I'm not a Pats fan but I'm pretty sure we all know thier a great team.

As for celebrating and stuff.

Heres what professionals should look like:

http://www.zippyvideos.com/330160867.../koyfavrewhip/

Brady and Manning should do that.
Fuck putting your arms up in the air.

[bostonguy]

Best team ever. 2008 Superbowl champs baby! Start making plans for the championship parade people. Feb 5th! Man im excited. It's too bad we cant simulate the postseason like on madden. This team is simply unbeatable. Brady>Montana, Moss>Rice,Bilichick=GOD! Amazing season and it WILL conclude with a 4th championship! SUPERBOWL CHAMPS BABY!!

[mikejones99]

It will be the greatest sports season ever if Patriots can murder Colts and cowboys by 20 + and of course the spurs win another title. that should not have been penalties on moss and late hit onsidelines was leagal. refs made game closer than actual.

[SpursFanFirst]

You mean like this?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/01/22/sports/22afc.1.600.jpg

I suppose my point of quarreling with you is that you still have yet to produce a specific example applicable to these Patriots in support of your argument. I, frankly, have no idea how to identify when a player is "throwing arms in the air like [he's] God," so I suppose it would help me to understand your contention for you to explain what that means. I see players celebrating big plays by raising their arms in the air (as the foregoing illustration demonstrates) but don't associate that particular gesture with arrogance. You suggest that Patriots games are rife with these sorts of acts but fail to specifically identify a single act undertaken by a Patriot is that is somehow unique to that team or its players. Pardon me if I'm skeptical of your point.



Yeah, you know, I see exactly the same thing from the Patriots, but I must just be imagining that.

Frankly, I suspect that a great deal of your complaint about the Patriots has less to do with an objective evaluation of their actions and a whole lot to do with the fact that its the Patriots who undertake those actions. I have a friend who absolutely hates the Colts and is convinced that there is no more arrogant player in the league, on the field at least, than Peyton Manning. I don't think that's a correct statement, but, as demonstrated above, I also don't think that there's an unreasonable arrogance about the Patriots either. My point is that preferences for particular teams can (and do) often create subjective impressions of teams that aren't really justifiable. Thus, I suspect that if a Patriots player and a Colts player undertook precisely the same act, you'd be more willing to deem the Patriots player to be arrogant and the Colts player to be merely celebrating.



I'm still baffled by your argument. How exactly are the Patriots celebrating routine scores in any way that differs from the usual way in which NFL players celebrate those occasions?


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree because I do think they're arrogant. I do have a major hate toward the Patriots, so yes, perhaps I see something, or see it in a way that you don't.
But I also work with guys who are fans of other teams that don't HATE the Patriots, and they've said the same thing. I know I can't possibly be the only person who sees this...and it's NOT just because I'm a Colts fan.
Moving on.