Jazz vs Celtics

[ludda]

Jazz are fucking stupid, they should have won this game.

[boutons_]

If Celts win tomorrow @LAL, ups their cred.

[SpursDynasty]

When was the last time we had a 25-3 team in the NBA

[ludda]

Jazz are the only team to shoot like 55+% FG and still lose games. WTF, play same damn defense, dont let chucker pierce drive, dont let scrubs shoot 3s in the clutch.

Great game though.

[Armando]

Great road win for the Celts. Even if they lose tomorrow it will still be a successful road trip for them at 3-1. Which is a real possibilty since Kobe will be motivated at home with how badly they played in Boston.

[Armando]

Jazz are the only team to shoot like 55+% FG and still lose games. WTF, play same damn defense, dont let chucker pierce drive, dont let scrubs shoot 3s in the clutch.

Great game though.


I blame Sloan for that one. Brewer in no way can defend Pierce. He should have kept Harpring on him regardless of the 5 fouls and let the chips fall where they may.

[td4mvp3]

i'm having a hard time coming up with any kind of downside to the celtics, it bugs me. when detroit went on a tear, at least the question of flip saunders' lack of defensive acumen was something to hang on to, and the pistons showed some letup in the defensive department. with the mavs, the choking against the heat gave some pause and the losses to golden state had one salivating that the matchup that came about would come about. i see nothing that says the celtics won't go all the way. it saddens me, i was hoping for the repeat.
:(

[Armando]

i'm having a hard time coming up with any kind of downside to the celtics, it bugs me. when detroit went on a tear, at least the question of flip saunders' lack of defensive acumen was something to hang on to, and the pistons showed some letup in the defensive department. with the mavs, the choking against the heat gave some pause and the losses to golden state had one salivating that the matchup that came about would come about. i see nothing that says the celtics won't go all the way. it saddens me, i was hoping for the repeat.
:(


Is good for the NBA that Boston is relevant again no matter how thier season ends. I pick them at least to get to the Finals. I know Detroit is the favorite to win the East but I go back to the 06 and 07 playoffs against the Heat and the Cavs when they imploded. In 06 they lose Game 1 to Miami and never get back homecourt advantage and lose at Miami in Game 6. In 07 they go up 2-0 vs Cavs and then drop the next 4. Ending with Sheed's ejection that cost them what was a close game with 9 minutes to go in the 4th.

[Capt Bringdown]

i see nothing that says the celtics won't go all the way. it saddens me, i was hoping for the repeat.
:(

Perhaps it's not a good idea to throw in the towel in December. But I understand where you're coming from...25-3 is unbelievable.

[ludda]

Just remember last time this season (almost), suns and mavs looked this dominant and their schedules weren't as easy as the Celtics so far. I remember thinking that those two teams were completely on a different level, of course there was always the mavs choking issue but nevertheless, they played with a chip on their shoulder.

Celtics I think are a better team than the mavs were last season, but I think later on we will begin to see their weaknesses. I do think they have a great chance of making the finals though.

[PacerFan]

While the Celtics are good, there are a few flaws. Is Doc Rivers a big time coach that can lead a team to the title? I am not sure. How many minutes per game are Allen, Pierce and Garnett playing? I believe it is pretty high, all higher than Detroit's starters. If Boston was smart they would sacrifice a few games and rest the big three rather than play them 40 minutes a game and have them exhausted for the playoffs.

[td4mvp3]

Perhaps it's not a good idea to throw in the towel in December. But I understand where you're coming from...25-3 is unbelievable.
i'm a pessimist. i had been thinking that kg-td cancel, manu-allen cancel, bowen could put a hurt on pierce and no one on the celtics could contend with tp. but i checked their last game last year, when the celts won, and that dashed some hopes. yeah, it's december, but what would we be saying if the spurs were 25-3? does make me wonder what the mavs/suns/pistons were posting at this time during their big regular season runs.

[td4mvp3]

While the Celtics are good, there are a few flaws. Is Doc Rivers a big time coach that can lead a team to the title? I am not sure. How many minutes per game are Allen, Pierce and Garnett playing? I believe it is pretty high, all higher than Detroit's starters. If Boston was smart they would sacrifice a few games and rest the big three rather than play them 40 minutes a game and have them exhausted for the playoffs.
i think this has come up before and it was shown that those players are actually playing fewer minutes if not the fewest minutes of their careers. the coach thing is always iffy, i mean, how good was pop seen before they won it all?

[Armando]

While the Celtics are good, there are a few flaws. Is Doc Rivers a big time coach that can lead a team to the title? I am not sure. How many minutes per game are Allen, Pierce and Garnett playing? I believe it is pretty high, all higher than Detroit's starters. If Boston was smart they would sacrifice a few games and rest the big three rather than play them 40 minutes a game and have them exhausted for the playoffs.


Every team has thier flaws. As for the minutes I really don't think it will be an issue in the playoffs. I am sure once they have a playoff spot secured you will see the Big 3 start playing less minutes. I do think however that they will go for the top seed in the east. Lets see what happens.

[Armando]

i'm a pessimist. i had been thinking that kg-td cancel, manu-allen cancel, bowen could put a hurt on pierce and no one on the celtics could contend with tp. but i checked their last game last year, when the celts won, and that dashed some hopes. yeah, it's december, but what would we be saying if the spurs were 25-3? does make me wonder what the mavs/suns/pistons were posting at this time during their big regular season runs.


Relax

[PacerFan]

KG and TD in no way, shape or form cancel each other out. Duncan is a smarter player and a winner, Garnett is not.

[Armando]

KG and TD in no way, shape or form cancel each other out. Duncan is a smarter player and a winner, Garnett is not.


Duncan has always had better players around him then KG. Duncan has had Parker,Manu,Bowen,Horry and DROB among others. Garnett has had Jaric,Cassell and I got a family to feed Sprewell.

[PacerFan]

I am not sure armando. I think minutes are a lot bigger deal than people make it. It only took Dantoni how many regular season wins and postseason losses before he realized that he can't kill his starters in the regular season? Scratch that, I am not sure he realizes that. Look at the Pistons a few years ago when they won all those games in the regular season, they were tired and lost in the playoffs. Pop recognizes this and I believe this is one reason the Spurs usually have great success in the playoffs.

[td4mvp3]

KG and TD in no way, shape or form cancel each other out. Duncan is a smarter player and a winner, Garnett is not.
that notwithstanding, scoring/rebounding-wise, i believe they've come pretty close to each other whenever they've been matched up against each other.

[Armando]

I am not sure armando. I think minutes are a lot bigger deal than people make it. It only took Dantoni how many regular season wins and postseason losses before he realized that he can't kill his starters in the regular season? Scratch that, I am not sure he realizes that. Look at the Pistons a few years ago when they won all those games in the regular season, they were tired and lost in the playoffs. Pop recognizes this and I believe this is one reason the Spurs usually have great success in the playoffs.


True but you also have to look how the Celts are winning games. They are in very few close games. Most of the time by halftime or by the end of the 3rd quarter they are blowing teams out. Is not like they are grinding out all the games which take is toll alot more then playing alot of minutes. Plus the Celts play more of the bench then the Suns do now and more then Detroit did the last 2 years.

[PacerFan]

Good points. Lots of time left to see how things shake out. One thing on the Celtics side though will be their cohesion on offense. The more these new faces play together the better the chemistry will be.

[td4mvp3]

i put this out there once before, nobody bit, but i had wondered if the celtics' success merely reflects what we'd see if the suns were put out in the east. the suns beat the jazz 103-98, pretty close to tonight's 104-98.

[PacerFan]

No way, I don't think the Celtics show what the Suns would do in the East at all, two completely different teams. Phoenix is lead by a high octane, running offense lead by a point guard. Boston is completely different in that they are really being lead by their outstanding defense and rebounding. I think the teams are far too different for that assertion to be accurate.

[Armando]

i put this out there once before, nobody bit, but i had wondered if the celtics' success merely reflects what we'd see if the suns were put out in the east. the suns beat the jazz 103-98, pretty close to tonight's 104-98.


Celtics play defense which sometimes the Suns forget to do.

[Armando]

No way, I don't think the Celtics show what the Suns would do in the East at all, two completely different teams. Phoenix is lead by a high octane, running offense lead by a point guard. Boston is completely different in that they are really being lead by their outstanding defense and rebounding. I think the teams are far too different for that assertion to be accurate.


Rondo has been a pleasant surprise he really is playing well.

[Armando]

i put this out there once before, nobody bit, but i had wondered if the celtics' success merely reflects what we'd see if the suns were put out in the east. the suns beat the jazz 103-98, pretty close to tonight's 104-98.


Plus the game was in Utah and the Jazz were embarassed last night at LAL. So you expected they will come out motivated especially against the best team in the NBA record wise.

[Budkin]

Let's see how the Celts do against the Mavs, Suns, or healthy Spurs before we start crowning their asses. Their bench is still not all that.

[lefty]

Let's see how the Celts do against the Mavs, Suns, or healthy Spurs before we start crowning their asses. Their bench is still not all that.


Not to mention their coach

[Armando]

Let's see how the Celts do against the Mavs, Suns, or healthy Spurs before we start crowning their asses. Their bench is still not all that.


I think they will split the 2 games with those teams. The bench might not be all that but they are good enough. Plus they have 2 spots open lets see who they add.

[td4mvp3]

Plus the game was in Utah and the Jazz were embarassed last night at LAL. So you expected they will come out motivated especially against the best team in the NBA record wise.
just playing devil's advocate, but how much does playing the night before feature into it?

[Armando]

Not to mention their coach


Yeah I am looking forward to the Rivers/D'Antoni matchup.

[Armando]

just playing devil's advocate, but how much does playing the night before feature into it?

Only the players can answer that but they played like garbage last night.

[ludda]

Jazz made stupid mistakes in the crunch, the game was close down to the wire.

Mavs and Suns are playing inconsistent ball right now, so I would take the Celtics over them.

One thing I noticed is that Celtics go to chucker Pierce as their guy in the 4th, KG is still nowhere to be found. The only one that scares me in the crunch is Ray Allen.

[traitoravery]

The only one that scares me in the crunch is Ray Allen.

With Bruce gaurding him?

[lefty]

Yeah I am looking forward to the Rivers/D'Antoni matchup.

:lmao

[Armando]

With Bruce gaurding him?

If Bruce is guarding Ray who guards Pierce?

[lefty]

If Bruce is guarding Ray who guards Pierce?

Udoka?

[Tippecanoe]

One thing I noticed is that Celtics go to chucker Pierce as their guy in the 4th, KG is still nowhere to be found. The only one that scares me in the crunch is Ray Allen.

garnett has a history of fading away during the clutch ever since he was drafted by minny. he'll be there to set screens, play D, rebound, but he wont be the one making big shots. pierce will probably be the go to guy due to his ability to draw fouls. ray allen plays the role of spot up shooter who'll get the ball if left open.

[Tippecanoe]

Udoka?

would pop play udoka during crunch time? i think hes more likely to stick with parker-manu-bowen-duncan-oberto.

[Armando]

Udoka?

IDK if Udoka is strong enough to prevent Pierce from attacking the basket and drawing fouls.

[lefty]

This is why it's crucial that Pop gives Ime more minutes this season, so he can develop into a consistant player

[TheNextGen]

Have you seen who the Celtics played against...look it up...you'll laugh

[m33p0]

horry/bruce on pierce. manu can take care of allen.

sloan kept leaving brewer alone on pierce even though pierce was eating him alive.
jazz has no fire in them.

[bostonguy]

Great day to be a Boston fan. Pats make history, Red Sox are set to defend their title, and the Celtics keep on winning and making haters even more pissed and jealous of this badass sports city. Life is just great here!

[icem]

horry/bruce on pierce. manu can take care of allen.

sloan kept leaving brewer alone on pierce even though pierce was eating him alive.
jazz has no fire in them.

lol @ horry on pierce. do you want to win or not ?

we're just going to have to pick our poison when the celtics come to town. one of the wings should have a good game because bruce is only one man. one thing i have noticed with boston, there is plenty of talk about how KG needs to be in the post more, but when he is away from the basket it seems to really open up the lanes for drives the basket since he draws a big away from the basket.

but anyway, no doubt when the spurs finally play celtics its going to be the biggest game of the year.

[mikejones99]

Spurs should split with boston this year and utah wll get better as the season goes. Boston will struggle out west with dal, phx, den, hou, and lal. C's got miracle in sa last year

[m33p0]

lol @ horry on pierce. do you want to win or not ?

we're just going to have to pick our poison when the celtics come to town. one of the wings should have a good game because bruce is only one man. one thing i have noticed with boston, there is plenty of talk about how KG needs to be in the post more, but when he is away from the basket it seems to really open up the lanes for drives the basket since he draws a big away from the basket.

but anyway, no doubt when the spurs finally play celtics its going to be the biggest game of the year.

i think horry could be effective against pierce whenever pierce decides to post up. horry still has some mobility on those old legs of his. wouldn't matter. since it would seem the spurs would have the most difficulty against pierce, then let him be the poison. let him beat the spurs on his own. lock everyone up and throw away the key and let pierce bail them out.

hmm... elson on garnett so duncan would be free to roam around on D?

[td4mvp3]

i think horry could be effective against pierce whenever pierce decides to post up. horry still has some mobility on those old legs of his. wouldn't matter. since it would seem the spurs would have the most difficulty against pierce, then let him be the poison. let him beat the spurs on his own. lock everyone up and throw away the key and let pierce bail them out.

hmm... elson on garnett so duncan would be free to roam around on D?
good god, no. besides, garnett doesn't play center, ever, i don't think.

[JamStone]

When was the last time we had a 25-3 team in the NBA

Probably the 1996-97 Chicago Bulls team.

[Tippecanoe]

hmm... elson on garnett so duncan would be free to roam around on D?

elson would have no chance, and if timmy has to come over and help, someone will be left open.