Manu for Tayshaun --

[phxspurfan]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=272~1724&teams=8~24&te=&cash=

Seriously -- Manu for Tayshaun -- it's not that bad of a deal to make.

Parker
Bowen
Prince
Duncan
Oberto

Finley
Udoka
Bonner
Splitter
<backup PG>
Mahinmi
<whoever>



This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
Detroit Pistons
Incoming Players
Manu Ginobili
Salary: $9,079,811 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 19.2 REB: 4.6 AST: 4.3 PER: 25.50


Outgoing Players: Tayshaun Prince
San Antonio Spurs
Incoming Players
Tayshaun Prince
Salary: $8,675,620 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 13.7 REB: 5.0 AST: 3.0 PER: 15.77


Outgoing Players: Manu Ginobili






I know we lose a lot by sending Manu away, but we get a long 3 in return that can score with the best of 'em, defend, and run as a decent smallball F. He can defend Dirk, Marion, Melo, and whoever else is long, leaving Bowen and Udoka to stick the opposing PG. He's younger than Manu, and has some upside (he still hasn't even made the all star game, partially because the Pistons have so many other talents and their offensive system doesn't give him a ton of touches).



Just think of the defensive lineups we could throw out there, with Bowen, Prince and Udoka. :blah

[ATX Spur]

We'd never score 80 all season.

[ChumpDumper]

Might as well send the O'Brien trophy along with Manu while we're at it.

[ATX Spur]

Billups
Manu
Hamilton
Sheed
Maxiell or Dice

That's a nice lineup to trot out in a 4th quarter of a playoff game.

[timvp]

Prince is one of the more overrated players in the NBA. He's a good role player but somewhere along the line he got the rep of being way better than he is. Prince hasn't been a lockdown defender since 2004. Since then, he gets lit up on a regular basis.

[Dario]

I disagree, if anyhing he is underrated, pistons are preaty much a mediocre team without him. With that said, i would still never traded manu for prince.

[T Park]

Seriously -- Manu for Tayshaun -- it's not that bad of a deal to make

When you trade Ginobili you trade the heart of the team.

So yeah its a horrible trade.

[K-State Spur]

I know we lose a lot by sending Manu away, but we get a long 3 in return that can score with the best of 'em

only if you consider Jamal Tinsley and Emeka Okafor as being "the best of them"... :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Uhhhhhhh.......................no.

[m33p0]

people are going to burn the arena for this.

[exstatic]

Tay is offensively passive, and the search for the "long three" has officially gotten ridiculous.

[smeagol]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[WalterBenitez]

people are going to burn the arena for this.

Why not the city and this forum? :guin

Well, Pistontalks would receive many visitors!!! :wakeup

[td4mvp3]

2005 should be enough to say good god no, but on top of that there's always tayshaun lilting away like a dying flower while lebron leaps over the pistons franchise and dunks himself into the finals and the dreams of espn last year.

[Cherry]

people are going to burn the arena for this.
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[FromWayDowntown]

I think the notion of a long 3 is intended as a compliment to the existing Big 3. Unless you're getting another player who's on the level of the Big 3 -- and Prince, for all that he is, clearly is not on that level -- you don't break up the Big 3 to get a long 3.

Manu for Prince would be a huge, huge step backwards for the Spurs.

[JamStone]

Sure why not?

In fact if the Spurs want to unload Tony Parker's contract while they're at it, the Pistons will reluctantly send over Flip Murray and a second round draft pick as well.

[angel_luv]

Might as well send the O'Brien trophy along with Manu while we're at it.


Word!

[Holt's Cat]

Moving Ginobili would mean that some serious rebuilding was afoot. Anyways, he will retire a Spur.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
:tu

[Tippecanoe]

hey, why not ship tony parker to boston for scott pollard while your at it??

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

hey, why not ship tony parker to boston for scott pollard while your at it??
Throw in Eddie House and you got yourself a deal.

[Cry Havoc]

Manu is playing as good, if not better defense than Tayshaun is this year. And his offense is light-years ahead of where Tayshaun has ever been.

Did I mention Ginobili is better in the intangibles?

....

Hmmm.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Manu for Prince... really?? Are you that fucking blind?

[smeagol]

This trade makes sense if a Pistons Fan is advocating it, but being proposed by a Spurs fan . . . :bang

[phxspurfan]

I think the notion of a long 3 is intended as a compliment to the existing Big 3. Unless you're getting another player who's on the level of the Big 3 -- and Prince, for all that he is, clearly is not on that level -- you don't break up the Big 3 to get a long 3.

Manu for Prince would be a huge, huge step backwards for the Spurs.


I agree with this statement. The 'long 3' we have talked about has been envisioned as an addition to the existing 'big 3' we have right now. I'm changing the vision to include somebody who has some star potential, in addition to the traits we have sought in our long 3.

Of course, the big motivation for this trade proposal was the age difference. Manu is getting older and Tayshaun is still young, so this would be, in my eyes, a trade aimed at reloading an already good, albeit older team.

Tayshaun won't bring the killer instinct or ability to close games that Manu would bring, but how long is he going to be able to do that for? One or two more years max, I predict, without losing a lot of his quickness (barring any major injuries).

I'm not saying that this is a monster of a good deal for the Spurs -- of course, in the short term, it will bring whoever gets Manu a legitimate SG/SF starter or sixth man. But take a look at how far Shaq has declined in three years, and how that trade by the Lakers has enabled them to build around one young star and bring in some additional young talent. Couldn't we do the same with Parker, and keep our own dominant big man the way the Lakers couldn't?

To make the deal a little more even, we could ask for a legit backup PG in Lindsey Hunter:

Detroit Pistons

Incoming Players
Manu Ginobili
Salary: $9,079,811 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 19.2 REB: 4.6 AST: 4.3 PER: 25.50


Outgoing Players: Lindsey Hunter, Tayshaun PrinceSan Antonio Spurs

Incoming Players
Lindsey Hunter
Salary: $2,250,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.8 REB: 0.5 AST: 1.8 PER: 8.81

Tayshaun Prince
Salary: $8,675,620 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 13.6 REB: 5.1 AST: 3.0 PER: 15.79


Outgoing Players: Manu Ginobili

[SequSpur]

WTF? Dumb ass trade idea forum.

[bdubya]

I don't see a 2-3 combo of Manu and Hamilton making much sense, either. Thanks, but no thanks.

[sa_kid20]

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m160/bobbyt207/Cat--what20the20fuck.jpg

[mVp]

LOL @ this thread

[kuato]

Classic thread when Manu is injured. There are a lot of people with very bad memory.

[FreshPrince22]

I don't see a 2-3 combo of Manu and Hamilton making much sense, either. Thanks, but no thanks.

Yea, can you say logjam @ SG? Rip Hamilton, Manu Ginobili, Rodney Stuckey, Arron Afflalo, Flip Murray.

I would trade Rip for Manu, but for Tayshaun it doesn't really work.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

As a Piston fan no thanks keep Mr Flop. We have Stuckey he will fill that role just fine.

[kobe_bryant]

it would get rid of a lot of arg fans


do it

[E20]

I would be suprised if Detroit even wanted Manu in the city after the way he ass raped the Pistons in the finals.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:rolleyes

Amateur GMism.

:lmao

You don't break up a winning core unless they are clearly finished with winning. How many times do I have to repeat this?

[romain.star]

Classic thread when Manu is injured. There are a lot of people with very bad memory.

Lot of people?? Come on, don't be stupid...
Re read the thread... this is just the opinion of one single poster (phxspurfan)

[kuato]

Lot of people?? Come on, don't be stupid...
Re read the thread... this is just the opinion of one single poster (phxspurfan) ------> well a lot ... a few ... just one, this thread is senseless.

[freemeat]

Ooh! i get to post this again!

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[urunobili]

what about Manu for Brandon Roy?

[baseline bum]

Unless it's Ferry calling to unload LeBron, I'm not moving Manu.

[MrChug]

This makes you retarded.

[Manu-of-steel]

Manu is a vital cog in the spurs system. He's got the killer's instinct and a winning attitude that come in handy when it comes to play-offs. A big NO for this trade.

[ancestron]

Spurs fans who don't notice or appreciate Manu's contributions to the Spur's DYNASTY really concern me.

[Supergirl]

No way. I LOVE Prince, but there's virtually no one in the NBA that I'd trade away our closer for.

Now, I'd offer Finley or anyone else but our big 3 to try and get Prince. But no Manu.

[Rummpd]

No thank you. Manu is clutcher, savier, and just plan far better.

[Supergirl]

No thank you. Manu is clutcher, savier, and just plan far better.

I presume you mean savvier?
Or perhaps savior? Cause you know, he is the team savior on many occasions.

[debo]

manu is better and more explosive on offense and defense

[freemeat]

manu is better and more explosive on offense and defense

I thought we were just making fun of the person who posted the thread now.

[FromWayDowntown]

I agree with this statement. The 'long 3' we have talked about has been envisioned as an addition to the existing 'big 3' we have right now. I'm changing the vision to include somebody who has some star potential, in addition to the traits we have sought in our long 3.

Of course, the big motivation for this trade proposal was the age difference. Manu is getting older and Tayshaun is still young, so this would be, in my eyes, a trade aimed at reloading an already good, albeit older team.

Tayshaun won't bring the killer instinct or ability to close games that Manu would bring, but how long is he going to be able to do that for? One or two more years max, I predict, without losing a lot of his quickness (barring any major injuries).

I'm not saying that this is a monster of a good deal for the Spurs -- of course, in the short term, it will bring whoever gets Manu a legitimate SG/SF starter or sixth man. But take a look at how far Shaq has declined in three years, and how that trade by the Lakers has enabled them to build around one young star and bring in some additional young talent. Couldn't we do the same with Parker, and keep our own dominant big man the way the Lakers couldn't?

To make the deal a little more even, we could ask for a legit backup PG in Lindsey Hunter:

Detroit Pistons

Incoming Players
Manu Ginobili
Salary: $9,079,811 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 19.2 REB: 4.6 AST: 4.3 PER: 25.50


Outgoing Players: Lindsey Hunter, Tayshaun PrinceSan Antonio Spurs

Incoming Players
Lindsey Hunter
Salary: $2,250,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.8 REB: 0.5 AST: 1.8 PER: 8.81

Tayshaun Prince
Salary: $8,675,620 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 13.6 REB: 5.1 AST: 3.0 PER: 15.79


Outgoing Players: Manu Ginobili

We very clearly disagree about this subject, because I can't envision a single reasonable scenario in which I would think it would be a good idea to trade Manu Ginobili for Tayshaun Prince. I wouldn't count on Tayshaun having "some star potential" -- at this point, Tayshaun is what Tayshaun is going to be. He's a nice player, but he's not a star and he's never going to be one. It would be pretty dumb, IMO, for the Spurs to deal Ginobili at this point, but particularly to send him out in a deal that leaves the Spurs with less talent.

Have you started working on the deal to send out Tim Duncan to bring in a younger player with star potential, too?

[freemeat]

Have you started working on the deal to send out Tim Duncan to bring in a younger player with star potential, too?

Shaq? I hear he's pretty good.

[Pistonfan1]

No thanks. We have RIP and Stuckey. Prince is an up and coming star in this league. He is one of the best shut down defenders who is untradeable. You can have Flip Murray and Hunter at the cost of a draft pick.

[Budkin]

Horrible trade. This thread should be locked for sheer stupidity.

[jamanuel]

Oh no please! Not a single thought about it. Geographically speaking, I might as well be a Lakers' fan because of my location in the PACIFIC (Northern Mariana Islands) and as being California as the next state after Hawaii. But, I chose to be a SPUR's fan 4life and that's because of MANU. We love Manu and I sincerely believed that San Antonians in TEXAS won't agree either. :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :ihit :nope :nope :nope :nope :nope :nope :nope :nope :nope

[BonnerDynasty]

When you trade Ginobili you trade the heart of the team.



Exactly.

[howbouthemspurs]

hahahahaha!

[Supreme_Being]

I laughed.

[ClingingMars]

what about Manu for Brandon Roy?

This Trade Failed! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
San Antonio Spurs

Incoming Players
Photo: Brandon Roy
Brandon Roy
Salary: $2,883,120 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 19.2 REB: 4.6 AST: 5.6 PER: 19.46

Outgoing Players: Manu Ginobili
Portland Trail Blazers

The Trail Blazers are over the cap, and their incoming salaries are greater than 125% plus $100,000 of their outgoing salaries. They need to cut $5,375,911 from the incoming trade value to make this trade successful.

Incoming Players
Photo: Manu Ginobili
Manu Ginobili
Salary: $9,079,811 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 19.2 REB: 4.6 AST: 4.3 PER: 25.47

Outgoing Players: Brandon Roy

Failure.

-Mars

[ClingingMars]

Unless it's Ferry calling to unload LeBron, I'm not moving Manu.

This Trade Failed! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
San Antonio Spurs

The Spurs are over the cap, and their incoming salaries are greater than 125% plus $100,000 of their outgoing salaries. They need to cut $1,591,486 from the incoming trade value to make this trade successful.

Incoming Players
Photo: LeBron James
LeBron James
Salary: $13,041,250 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 28.8 REB: 7.2 AST: 7.6 PER: 29.48

Outgoing Players: Manu Ginobili
Cleveland Cavaliers

The Cavaliers are over the cap, and their incoming salaries are greater than 125% plus $100,000 of their outgoing salaries because of BYC (Base Year Compensation) players. They need to cut $829,030 from the incoming trade value to make this trade successful.

Incoming Players
Photo: Manu Ginobili
Manu Ginobili
Salary: $9,079,811 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 19.2 REB: 4.6 AST: 4.3 PER: 25.47

Outgoing Players: LeBron James (BYC)

Another Failure.

-Mars

[phxspurfan]

Would've ringed in 2014 if we had done this :downspin:


and I saw what the NBA was going toward 11 years ago, rosters full of long 3's :claw