The 2008 NBA Draft

[AA2120]

man if kofus was still on the board i would take him over CDR....but i think we need someone who can create their own shot...or know down the three all day long....or another big
we cant afford to pick players and leave them overseas..we need some help right away
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[hsxvvd]

http://portokalada.com/sb-files/1196136648Kosta%20Koufos.jpg

and watch him sign with a Greek team.... No thanks.

[objective]

spending a late first on a euro would be madness at this point.

the dollar is so worthless and the rookie scale contracts so low outside the top 10 or so it's a waste.

[Bruno]

Spurs should try to move up and draft Batum. He is just a perfect fit for SA.

[mathbzh]

Agree on this one. And I believe Batum is far more ready that scouting reports suggest. Of course he would not be a go to guy right now but he could already be a contributor.

[Bruno]

I believe Batum is far more ready that scouting reports suggest.

Agree. While Batum is still raw and needs to work on some aspect of his game, he plays a lot this year in professional leagues (French league and Euroleague).
He played at a better level than NCAA players.

[wildbill2u]

The NBA has tampered with the worldwide market on basketball players by putting artificial limits on rookie contracts. This price-fixing was successful when there were no other leagues that could bid in competition with the NBA, but that obviously isn't true any more.

The market value price of talent has exceeded the existing rookie pay scale--and this is the predictable result.

So far, this price fixing has only worked in the Euros favor on bringing Euro players over here. Let's not forget that in addition to Splitter, Javtokas also took more money than the rookie scale to play in Europe. Money talks and bullshit walks.

But NBA price-fixing may now also work in the Euros favor by allowing them to sign American players out from under the noses of NBA teams.

As they strive to improve their teams, the next move by the Euro teams may be to outbid NBA teams for lower-ranked American rookies who are salary-limited by the pay scale.

Remember that the bottom 1/3 of 1st round draft picks NEVER play on an NBA team and there have been plenty of bust-outs who were drafted higher than that.

The Euros won't even want to bid for all of them, but any player down near the bottom of the first round would have to take a look at an offer significantly over the rookie pay scale if it was a take it now or leave it offer.

The NBA better wise up quickly that they are in a salary war with the Euros and rethink the salary cap strategy.

And the Spurs should rethink their strategy of drafting good Euros in the first round because they may not be willing to come over for the rookie scale any more.

[mystargtr34]

Agree. While Batum is still raw and needs to work on some aspect of his game, he plays a lot this year in professional leagues (French league and Euroleague).
He played at a better level than NCAA players.

Bruno, i think to move up and get Batum, we would have to go to 17, i dont see the Raptors passing on him, given their needs and their GM's ties to Europe. But they have expressed interest in trading the pick.

If he falls past the Raps at 17, i think we have a shot at him at 26.... i think you made a good list of the next 8 teams wings, and they are all pretty much set and i cant see them taking Batum.

The Raps will be the sticking point. Maybe we can send them Barry's expiring contract and our pick.

[AA2120]

i dont mind picking Batum, but will he be able to at least be in the NBA right away?

[ChumpDumper]

I want to keep an eye on Mike Taylor for the last Spurs' pick. He's a balla.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I want to keep an eye on Mike Taylor for the last Spurs' pick. He's a balla.

I didn't know you can join the D-League, then join the draft.

[tp2021]

I didn't know you can join the D-League, then join the draft.

if he wasn't drafted previously, or was waived, nobody owns his rights. but i wouldn't know.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't know you can join the D-League, then join the draft.Yep, he's the first example I can think of, but at least one more is currently in the pipeline -- Aleksandar Ugrinoski in Utah, but he's not going to enter this draft after being injured most of the season.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Yep, he's the first example I can think of, but at least one more is currently in the pipeline -- Aleksandar Ugrinoski in Utah.

Under what conditions is it possible for a player to join the D-League, then the draft?

[ChumpDumper]

Under what conditions is it possible for a player to join the D-League, then the draft?As far as I can tell, he just didn't declare for the draft when he left Iowa State. I think he was trying to get into a D2 school but it fell through.

I suppose as long as they are under the mandatory NBA draft age, any player over their minimum age can enter the D-League draft or available pool. That raises some questions about calling up those players. It's an interesting situation and something that could happen more in the coming years.

[ChumpDumper]

Apparently Taylor is doing ok in the draft camp:



Mike Taylor and George Hill didn't come to camp with the biggest reputations, though that appears to be changing pretty quickly. Taylor led all scorers in the day's opening game with 17 points on 6-for-10 shooting, while Hill added 14 points on 5-for-8 shooting.

Taylor actually played this season for the Idaho Stampede of the NBA Development League, after spending his first two seasons at Chipola (Fla.) JC, and his junior season at Iowa State. He was dismissed from Iowa State in July of 2007 and subsequently signed a pro contract with the D-League, making him automatically eligible for the next draft.

Taylor is a combo guard with a very nice stroke and excellent quickness. He also makes good shot/pass decisions. With combo guards becoming en vogue in the NBA these days, Taylor could be a real sleeper.

http://www.nba.com/features/orlando_20080528.html

http://www.nba.com/media/dleague/flash_stampede_080308_12.jpg

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Mike Taylor did it again. :tu



One player that stood out more than anyone else in the individual drills was D-League combo guard Mike Taylor, a phenomenal athlete blessed with terrific scoring instincts who was deadly creating his own shot in 1 on 1 settings. He got to the rack whenever he pleased and did a great job creating space from his defender with his jab-steps and pull-up moves.

Mike Taylor continues to help his stock by showing possibly the most athleticism of any guard in this camp. He was simply a blur in the open floor, weaving his way in and out of traffic being impossible to stay in front of even in the half-court, a looking relentlessly explosive finishing around the basket. He was a man on a mission today, making emphatic plays that clearly left a strong impression in the eyes of decision makers who had never seen him before. His perimeter shot comes better than advertised, as he displayed by pulling up off the dribble from mid-range and killing his defender for going underneath a screen, while also knocking down 2 of his 5 attempts from behind the NBA arc. He also made two very nice reads in the half-court, in back to back possessions, making good reads to slashing cutters moving off the ball for easy finishes. He’s clearly more of a shooting guard than a point, but seems to have the instincts for that not to be as much of a factor these days as it may have been a few years back. He needs to continue to be unselfish and maybe bring it up a notch on the defensive end, but you can’t argue with how well he’s played here so far. He definitely has a chance to get drafted.

He had 24 points in today's game.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Pre-Draft-Camp,-Day-Three-2903/

[T Park]

Chump.

If you had to guess, where is Taylor slotted to go in the draft?

[wildbill2u]

We can't afford the luxury of draft and stash any more. Our picks are going to have to be able to make the roster and learn on the fly in games.

With all the effort that teams put into scouting players, it is revealing how many players in the late first round never make a NBA game. Drafting well is a really hard thing to do. FO is behind the eight ball this year.

[K-State Spur]

Chirs..Douglas..Roberts

i would not be disappointed if that's the pick. he would fill a need sooner rather than later.

doesn't currently possess the range that the Spurs typically like in their wings, but he's a slasher, can finish with either hand, has a good mid-range game, and has the length to be a good defender.

i'm actually surprised he's expected to still be around towards the end of the first round.

[hsxvvd]

Taylor looks and sounds great, but he might be playing himself up the draft a little too much. You don't want to use a 1st on him, and even our first 2nd... and our last might be too late.

[Mr. Body]

i would not be disappointed if that's the pick. he would fill a need sooner rather than later.

doesn't currently possess the range that the Spurs typically like in their wings, but he's a slasher, can finish with either hand, has a good mid-range game, and has the length to be a good defender.

i'm actually surprised he's expected to still be around towards the end of the first round.

Some marked CDR as important or better than Rose in sections of the seasons. He may not be the same potential player but I'd also not be disappointed in the pick. He has some real skills and could find ways to score off the bench.

I figure his lack of shooting, unorthodox style, and the fact there are other more pure wings and SFs ahead of him are putting teams off.

[Gino2882]

CDR reminds me of Tayshaun Prince. Lanky, unorthodox shot, ability to drive and handle the ball.

CDR would be a really solid pick for the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump.

If you had to guess, where is Taylor slotted to go in the draft?He's probably played his way into the low second round by now, and he could go higher. We'll see what his measurements look like. I'm sure the Toros staff saw enough of him to decide if he is worth a workout.

[K-State Spur]

Some marked CDR as important or better than Rose in sections of the seasons. He may not be the same potential player but I'd also not be disappointed in the pick. He has some real skills and could find ways to score off the bench.

I figure his lack of shooting, unorthodox style, and the fact there are other more pure wings and SFs ahead of him are putting teams off.

he's made himself pretty reliable out to 18 feet or so. have to think that would only improve after spending some time with Chip.

Tayshaun is probably a fairly decent comparison. CDR's not that tall, but he's also better taking the ball to the rim.

[Mr. Body]

I miss the Tayshaun comparison. CDR doesn't have his length or defense. I agree his shooting is better than advertised, however.

[hsxvvd]

If CDR is on the board and we draft another Euro I'll fly up there and smack RC myself.

CDR is underrated. Rose and Dorsey got a whole lot of attention, but last year Memphis also had a great year and it was CDR who carried the load.

[Mr. Body]

If CDR is on the board and we draft another Euro I'll fly up there and smack RC myself.

CDR is underrated. Rose and Dorsey got a whole lot of attention, but last year Memphis also had a great year and it was CDR who carried the load.

If they draft any Euro other than Batum with the first I'll join you in that flight. I don't even want one with the second pick.

I like Joey Dorsey, too. Could use a banger with rebounding skills and a mean streak.

[K-State Spur]

I miss the Tayshaun comparison. CDR doesn't have his length or defense. I agree his shooting is better than advertised, however.

I think, from an athletic standpoint, long-lanky players who can move - they are pretty comparable.

They do bring different skill sets to the table. Defensively - Prince is bigger and so long that he has to get really burned to be out of a play. Offensively, CDR's a better ball-handler and brings more to the table than just the ability to hit open 3s and back down a smaller defender for a jump hook.

[TheProfessor]

A ton of mocks have Trent Plaisted at 45 for the Spurs, maybe because he's a hometown guy. I know Chad Ford rates him very highly on potential (early second), but would not be surprised to see him drop due to his college inconsistency. What do you guys think of that pick if the Spurs go with a wing in the first?

[Mr. Body]

Plaisted would be good value in the mid 2nd. Some BYU students on realgm are running him down, though, saying he's athletic but really not that good, disappears and is not aggressive. Not a terrible pick there, though.

[mystargtr34]

I would still like Brandon Rush the most given our draft position... but the odds of him falling... are pretty much 0 yeah?

But Batum... i would be absolutely stoked if we could get him

[K-State Spur]

Rush doesn't excite me as much as some of the other names being talked about.

He's polished enough that he might join the rotation quickly. I just think he'll prove to mediocre across the board - which isn't as bad as it sounds, but still not what I'm hoping for.

[Mr. Body]

Rush doesn't excite me as much as some of the other names being talked about.

He's polished enough that he might join the rotation quickly. I just think he'll prove to mediocre across the board - which isn't as bad as it sounds, but still not what I'm hoping for.

K-State fan. :lol

But I do kind of agree.

[TheProfessor]

Plaisted would be good value in the mid 2nd. Some BYU students on realgm are running him down, though, saying he's athletic but really not that good, disappears and is not aggressive. Not a terrible pick there, though.
Yeah, I've heard similar things. I wonder if he wouldn't be better served in a role-playing capacity, and he does have many of the skills the Spurs covet in the big men.

Actually, I'm a big fan of the DX mock right now - Lee, Plaisted, and Hairston. That would be a great draft if the Spurs would ever consider carrying that many rookies.

[Mr. Body]

Agree. Haven't looked at DX's latest, but that's great. Would like Calathes somehow, but Hairston could surprise.

I'd like three rooks on the team next year, counting Mahinmi. Well, two rooks and Mahinmi I mean. I'm serious.

[K-State Spur]

K-State fan. :lol

But I do kind of agree.

Yeah, I know :). But Rush never really burned the Cats, so I'm not really biased against him. Besides, I said some positive things about Chalmers in the other thread. That - in conjunction with my preference that the Spurs go in a different direction than Bill Walker - is probably enough for KSU to revoke my degree.

If I can root for Jacque Vaughn (crappy as he may be) - then I can root for any player from the Flaw on the Kaw.

[Biggems]

I want Joe Alexander most of all in this draft, but I dont see him being there at 26. Next, I want Brandon Rush, but he too is most likely gone by 26. I would not be too terribly upset with Jason Thompson at 26.

I do not want Batum at all. In fact, I am tired of drafting Euros. We missed out on Scola. Splitter resigned with Tau for 2 more years. We have a handful of other guys we have drafted but wont ever be brought over. I want to draft American for a few years.

I wouldnt be opposed to trading our 1st for two 2nds...with either Minnesota, Portland, or Seattle.

With our four 2nds.....we could draft

F/C Dorsey/Hardin (rebounding and defense)
F Ibaka (being compared to a young shawn kemp)
G Jamont Gordon (combo guard)
G/F Marty Luenen (very nice jumpshot)

As an undrafted free agent we can even sign Carter from A&M. He is the college version of Ray Allen with his jumpshot.

[tempest186]

Hypothetically if Robin Lopez were available would you take him or is a 3 like CDR much more important. Personally I'd take Lopez.

[Biggems]

Hypothetically if Robin Lopez were available would you take him or is a 3 much more important. Personally I'd take Lopez.

we have Bowen and Udoka at the 3.....

We need big men. I dont see us bringing back Thomas. Horry is going to retire. We will have Duncan, Oberto, Bonner, and Mahimni next year.

As far as drafting a big man goes.....I want someone who is a rebounding machine and who will block shots.

We also need a SG. Finley needs to go. Barry needs to be moved to backup PG cause Vaughn and Damon need to go. Brandon Rush is who I want at 26. As a fan of the Big 12 and the Longhorns, I have seen much of Rush, too much. He was a complete pain in the ass to us Longhorn fans. I also like Carter from A&M. He has one of the purest jumpshots in college. IMO, as far as shooting goes, he is the Ray Allen of college, he just isn't the most athletic guy out there. However, I think he could be had as a UDFA.

[TheProfessor]

we have Bowen and Udoka at the 3.....

We need big men. I dont see us bringing back Thomas. Horry is going to retire. We will have Duncan, Oberto, Bonner, and Mahimni next year.

As far as drafting a big man goes.....I want someone who is a rebounding machine and who will block shots.

We also need a SG. Finley needs to go. Barry needs to be moved to backup PG cause Vaughn and Damon need to go. Brandon Rush is who I want at 26. As a fan of the Big 12 and the Longhorns, I have seen much of Rush, too much. He was a complete pain in the ass to us Longhorn fans. I also like Carter from A&M. He has one of the purest jumpshots in college. IMO, as far as shooting goes, he is the Ray Allen of college, he just isn't the most athletic guy out there. However, I think he could be had as a UDFA.
I'm pretty certain Carter dropped out of the draft and will return to school. Also, Rush has seen a huge spike in his stock, and probably won't be around when the Spurs pick. Though if he is, that's a no-brainer to me.

Here's the article on Carter returning to school: http://blogs.chron.com/aggies/2008/05/carter_withdraws_name_from_nba.html

[K-State Spur]

Hypothetically if Robin Lopez were available would you take him or is a 3 like CDR much more important. Personally I'd take Lopez.

Robin Lopez doesn't excite me at all. If we can't get Splitter to come over, I'd rather bring back Thomas compared to most of the big man options available at 26. If we want to draft a project Big with one of the second round picks - that's fine with me.

[mathbzh]

I do not want Batum at all. In fact, I am tired of drafting Euros. We missed out on Scola. Splitter resigned with Tau for 2 more years. We have a handful of other guys we have drafted but wont ever be brought over. I want to draft American for a few years.

The situation with Batum is not the same. Le Mans already agreed to let him go to the NBA. Batum wants to play next year in the NBA. Batum is born for the NBA and he knows it. If the Spurs are smart enough NOT TO let him play in europe but bring him right now you don't risk anything.
With Batum all you have to do is to see if you want him or not. You don't have to wonder about contract issues. Of courese you can prefer US players, but do it for their BB skills.

[angelbelow]

The situation with Batum is not the same. Le Mans already agreed to let him go to the NBA. Batum wants to play next year in the NBA. Batum is born for the NBA and he knows it. If the Spurs are smart enough NOT TO let him play in europe but bring him right now you don't risk anything.
With Batum all you have to do is to see if you want him or not. You don't have to wonder about contract issues. Of courese you can prefer US players, but do it for their BB skills.

thats great, im not sure who has the most accurate mock draft is year in and year out but a couple have us taking batum. (off the top of my head chad ford from espn.)

[Bruno]

Batum, unlike some Euro prospects, will come in NBA with the right attitude. He knows that he will have to work a lot and that it will be difficult.

For people reading French, a nice article about him :
http://www.lemonde.fr/sports/article/2008/05/30/basket-nicolas-batum-un-jeune-prodige-en-partance-pour-la-nba_1051863_3242.html

[AFBlue]

Wings to get w/ first pick....

Brandon Rush, Nicolas Batum, or Bill Walker

Bigs to get w/ first pick...

Nathan Jawai, Alexis Ajinca, or Robin Lopez

[AFBlue]

Wings to get w/ first pick in 2nd rd...

Omri Casspi, Wayne Ellington, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute

Bigs to get w/ first pick in 2nd rd...

Joey Dorsey, Trent Plaisted, Nikola Pekovic

[hsxvvd]

Wings to get w/ first pick....

Brandon Rush, Nicolas Batum, or Bill Walker

Bigs to get w/ first pick...

Nathan Jawai, Alexis Ajinca, or Robin Lopez

:lol You couldn't make a bigger mistake this draft.

:lmao He has played against very ordinary competition here in Australia, and is a loooooooooong way from ever contributing to an NBA team.

You'd be drafting him for the Toros, and he'd be eating up cap space for 3 yrs and be straight back to Australia.

:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope

[hsxvvd]

Wings to get w/ first pick in 2nd rd...

Omri Casspi, Wayne Ellington, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute

Bigs to get w/ first pick in 2nd rd...

Joey Dorsey, Trent Plaisted, Nikola Pekovic

Now that's a better idea.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He's probably played his way into the low second round by now, and he could go higher. We'll see what his measurements look like. I'm sure the Toros staff saw enough of him to decide if he is worth a workout.

Latest draftexpress.com mock has the Spurs taking him with the Toronto pick :wow. Nice call, Chump.

[T Park]

I'm gonna ask a really stupid question.

Is Brandon Rush the stud from Kansas who pretty much darn near single handidly won the tournament for em?

[tempest186]

yes until Super Mario's heroics in the final game

[K-State Spur]

I'm gonna ask a really stupid question.

Is Brandon Rush the stud from Kansas who pretty much darn near single handidly won the tournament for em?

He averaged 15.4 per game on about 47% shooting in the tournament. Those are fine numbers, but hardly single-handedly winning the tournament for them.

I don't think any of their players really fit that bill - they were really an ensemble the entire way through.

[Bruno]

Bigs to get w/ first pick...

Nathan Jawai, Alexis Ajinca, or Robin Lopez

No to Ajinca. I think he will be a bust and it makes few sense to go after him with Mahinmi under contract.

[T Park]

He averaged 15.4 per game on about 47% shooting in the tournament. Those are fine numbers, but hardly single-handedly winning the tournament for them.

I don't think any of their players really fit that bill - they were really an ensemble the entire way through.

Hmm.

I'll have to wait till closer to the draft to decide who I think would be better.


Would a guy like him fall to 26 though?

Douglas-Roberts too?

[K-State Spur]

Barring somebody unexpectedly falling, I'll be disappointed if we take any of the bigs who are projected to still be available at 26. Anybody in that range is likely to be just a big body and relatively raw on the skills front.

Speaking of Jayhawks, you can probably get a guy like Sasha Kaun towards in the end of the second round, and I don't feel that there is that great a difference between him and a guy like Robin Lopez, who is expected to go in the 20s.

[K-State Spur]

Hmm.

I'll have to wait till closer to the draft to decide who I think would be better.


Would a guy like him fall to 26 though?

Douglas-Roberts too?

I would expect at least one (maybe more) of Rush, CDR, or Courtney Lee are available at 26. Rush is probably the most likely to be gone at that point, but once you get past the lottery, there is no telling who what teams like that they might be willing to reach for allowing other guys to fall (remember that this time last year, Derrick Byars was a hot name. he not only fell in the draft, but didn't even break camp with a team).

I much prefer CDR & Lee - and that's not because Rush is a Jayhawk.

[AFBlue]

:lol You couldn't make a bigger mistake this draft.

:lmao He has played against very ordinary competition here in Australia, and is a loooooooooong way from ever contributing to an NBA team.

You'd be drafting him for the Toros, and he'd be eating up cap space for 3 yrs and be straight back to Australia.

:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope

Sounds like you've seen him play...

I was just going off the measurements and scouting reports. Big body w/ good athleticism and a soft touch....reminded me of Nene Hilario.

Guess that might be hoping for too much.

[AFBlue]

No to Ajinca. I think he will be a bust and it makes few sense to go after him with Mahinmi under contract.

This is probably another one where I have only read the scouting reports and seen the measurements, but he sounds pretty intriguing.

A 7'1 player (7'8 wingspan) with an outside-in game, nice athleticism and a smooth jumpshot. Hard not to see the comparison to LaMarcus Aldridge....no matter how much of a projection it is.

Then again, you're probably more familiar with his game than I am. I do disagree with you that having Mahinmi makes Ajinca pointless. Mahinmi likes to mix it up inside and is developing his outside game, whereas it appears Ajinca has a more developed outside game.

[Spur-Addict]

we have Bowen and Udoka at the 3.....

We need big men. I dont see us bringing back Thomas. Horry is going to retire. We will have Duncan, Oberto, Bonner, and Mahimni next year.

As far as drafting a big man goes.....I want someone who is a rebounding machine and who will block shots.

We also need a SG. Finley needs to go. Barry needs to be moved to backup PG cause Vaughn and Damon need to go. Brandon Rush is who I want at 26. As a fan of the Big 12 and the Longhorns, I have seen much of Rush, too much. He was a complete pain in the ass to us Longhorn fans. I also like Carter from A&M. He has one of the purest jumpshots in college. IMO, as far as shooting goes, he is the Ray Allen of college, he just isn't the most athletic guy out there. However, I think he could be had as a UDFA.

I keep Vaughn as my third point guard. We need a younger point guard with the trio to preserve players during the season. I keep Vaughn at the third position because of his defense. I've watched him lock or give fits to many point guards especially on the contending teams. The back up point guards and some starters (aside from D-Will or CP3). Also, he has shown his ability to knock down the open shot. The only way I lose him is if we sign and trade for a player much more valuable (Slashing 2 guard, wing or big). Bonner must go, hopefully Horry retires, Damon definetly is out and I wouldn't be so quick to dump Finley. If we replace him with someone who can stroke and drive then i'm with it. It's a very hard market.

TD, TP, Manu, Brent, Bruce, Ime, Ian, Vaughn, Oberto-

Add a slashing and shooting sg/sf, A big who can finish, rebound, play D but, must be 6'10, 6'11 with long limbs. We'll need more than Ian obviously. I like the fact that Bonner can shoot but he is so weak. Def not worth 3 Mil on the bench in playoff time.

TD, TP, Manu, Brent, Bruce, Ime, Ian, Vaughn, Oberto- W/ Slash/Shooter, another Large Big with a moderate back to the basket game who can finish and do the intangibles. Then, we'll need that back up point guard who'll most likely be a combo guard since Vaughn is a pass first defender. Someone with good D who can create their own shot. Roughly 6'5 in the stuckey mold. These are all things we can find in the market. I'd also entertain the idea of possibly moving Ime. Only for something unexpected that we'd treasure having. That brings us to 12. A 12 that I would approve of.

:flag:

[Spur-Addict]

This is probably another one where I have only read the scouting reports and seen the measurements, but he sounds pretty intriguing.

A 7'1 player (7'8 wingspan) with an outside-in game, nice athleticism and a smooth jumpshot. Hard not to see the comparison to LaMarcus Aldridge....no matter how much of a projection it is.

Then again, you're probably more familiar with his game than I am. I do disagree with you that having Mahinmi makes Ajinca pointless. Mahinmi likes to mix it up inside and is developing his outside game, whereas it appears Ajinca has a more developed outside game.

Ajinca is too frail, I weigh more.

[AFBlue]

Now that's a better idea.

To be honest, I'm not a fan of Joey Dorsey. He seems like the Chris Richard of this draft...solid big on a final four team. I just put him up there because he'd probably be a low-risk pick to come in and give decent, albeit unspectacular production.

The one I like the most out of that group...Pekovic. Though I wonder if he'll be content to stay over in Europe and be a stud.

[Mr. Body]

Dorsey will crash the boards like a beast, block some shots, knock people around, miss lots of free throws. We could use a guy like that. I don't want any part of fucking foreigners any more. Not because they're no good, but because the Spurs mishandle them.

[Bruno]

Then again, you're probably more familiar with his game than I am. I do disagree with you that having Mahinmi makes Ajinca pointless. Mahinmi likes to mix it up inside and is developing his outside game, whereas it appears Ajinca has a more developed outside game.

Ajinca hasn't a developed outside game. He plays a lot on the perimeter but it's not because he has a good perimeter game, it's because he is too weak to play inside.

[AFBlue]

What do you guys think about DJ White in the second round? He reminds me of a Craig Smith or Paul Millsap type of player.

[Pucho!!!]

I miss the Tayshaun comparison. CDR doesn't have his length or defense. I agree his shooting is better than advertised, however.

I really like this pick, if we can get him. CDR has an excellent midrange jumper and can put the ball on the floor. Like someone said earlier, with Chips help he'll be hittin 3s in no time. He has long arms, a slasher and atheletic; sounds like everything we need in our next wing player cuz the last set of wings could only spot up shoot and that didnt fare so well for us. No disrespect to fin/barry who helped us win it all last year.

[AA2120]

I sure hope that CDR is there at 26...

I like the DJ White pick in the second round..but is he a bit undersized?

[AFBlue]

I like the DJ White pick in the second round..but is he a bit undersized?

That's where I was going with Craig Smith/Paul Millsap.

He's not going to play the 3, but he's tough and strong enough to play the 4...despite being undersized.

[kace]

I would still like Brandon Rush the most given our draft position... but the odds of him falling... are pretty much 0 yeah?

But Batum... i would be absolutely stoked if we could get him

Batum ? that would be crazy. but i dont' think he will be still avaible for us.

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nicolasbatum.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT7SV6qAGGQ&eurl=http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nicolasbatum.html

[AFBlue]

Ajinca hasn't a developed outside game. He plays a lot on the perimeter but it's not because he has a good perimeter game, it's because he is too weak to play inside.

Draft stock volatility amazes me...

Ajinca (this year) is a bubble first rounder because he's too frail and has alot of projection to becoming a legit NBA player. The "luster" has seemingly worn off for some reason or another.

Yet, another rail thin forward with good athleticism and length, but alot of projection to becoming a legit NBA player is tabbed to be a top 10 pick. In case you're wondering, I'm talking about Anthony Randolph.

I guess it just amazes me that two players with similar skill sets and equally long projection to becoming productive players can have such a big gap between where they're slated to go in this draft.


Not a commentary on what you wrote....just an observation.

[Biggems]

I'm pretty certain Carter dropped out of the draft and will return to school. Also, Rush has seen a huge spike in his stock, and probably won't be around when the Spurs pick. Though if he is, that's a no-brainer to me.

Here's the article on Carter returning to school: http://blogs.chron.com/aggies/2008/05/carter_withdraws_name_from_nba.html

Ok well Carter did the smart thing.....cause he was going late in the second round, if at all...

Yeah, Rush has probably moved into the top 20. Alexander wont make it past 14. The only other guy in the 1st that I am somewhat stoked about is Thompson. So what if he went to Rider, the kid has game that could compliment Duncan. But even he might not last to 26. So with that being said, trade out of the 1st and get a couple of 2nds and get 4 players instead of 3.

2 - F/C Dorsey/Hardin
2 - F Ibaka
2 - G Gordon
2 - G/F Leunen

[Mr. Body]

What do you guys think about DJ White in the second round? He reminds me of a Craig Smith or Paul Millsap type of player.

I like DJ White (disclosure: am an IU alumnus). He's a good guy, took his game to another level this year. He may be undersized but has very long arms, rebounds well, and is developing a nice pop jumper. Slight injury concern but he should be over it. DX has mentioned Detroit may have given him a promise late in the round.

[AFBlue]

I like DJ White (disclosure: am an IU alumnus). He's a good guy, took his game to another level this year. He may be undersized but has very long arms, rebounds well, and is developing a nice pop jumper. Slight injury concern but he should be over it. DX has mentioned Detroit may have given him a promise late in the round.

Interesting....since they already have Maxiell and Dice.

Also, it may be wishful thinking to have him there at the Spurs first 2nd rd pick....seems his stock is rising.

[Mr. Body]

I don't know, Phat. There's a lot of big men everywhere in this draft. Hendrix, Dorsey, and other PFs might get there first. I don't see White breaking the first round this year. I think he could be a steal.

[AFBlue]

I don't know, Phat. There's a lot of big men everywhere in this draft. Hendrix, Dorsey, and other PFs might get there first. I don't see White breaking the first round this year. I think he could be a steal.

Just takes one team to fall in love, but I get your general point. There is a lot of frontline talent in this draft that the Spurs could snag....no superstars in the late first/early second, but alot of potential contributors and solid players.

Still, there's going to be alot of pressure on the Spurs FO to pick the right big...especially if Tiago stays in Europe as expected.

[Mr. Body]

I should say... I think Detroit's promise to White is credible, although may not be true.

The beginning of the round will have several players I think will be at least decent pros, at least have a shot, but no one that will be a starter.

[Biggems]

right now i cant decide who i like more.....Dorsey or Hardin.

[hsxvvd]

DJ White and Joey Dorsey are exactly the kind of low risk picks we need to be making. It happens time and time again, these guys are work horses. Let them learn of Oberto and maybe Kurt for a year and you'll have yourself a solid role player for 10+ years.

CDR and Rush, likewise. They have both proven they can put the ball in the whole, at the very least they can become good 2nd unit scoring role players.

All of the above are hard working intelligent players and that has proven to be the most important skill of all for players to stick around in the NBA. How many athletic freaks have we seem come and go... James White anyone?

We don't need to knock it out of the ball park every year, a safe reliable pick is whats needed.

[kaji157]

Do we have any chance to Draft Robin Lopez? i really like that kid.

Any chance the Spurs can move up?

Send our draft pick + booner, Oberto or vaughn to get up?

[AFBlue]

Do we have any chance to Draft Robin Lopez? i really like that kid.

Any chance the Spurs can move up?

Send our draft pick + booner, Oberto or vaughn to get up?

He's a fast riser up the draft boards at this point. I'm not sure why, because he's a very limited player offensively. Teams will probably be drafting Robin with the hope that he catches up to his brother on the offensive side of the ball.

I'm not sure if the Spurs should move up to draft a one-dimensional player like Robin Lopez, but that's just my opinion.

[hsxvvd]

Sounds like you've seen him play...

I was just going off the measurements and scouting reports. Big body w/ good athleticism and a soft touch....reminded me of Nene Hilario.

Guess that might be hoping for too much.

I've seen him play quite a few games, a couple live and more than a few on tv. He had a great game here in the All-Star game, but we all know there isn't any defence in the All-Star game and you can't judge talent by dunks.

He has good size, but he isn't 6'10". The scouting reports in Draft express and Draftnet, are about right, but he has only displayed this against low quality opposition. He's big in the NBL, where most bigs are NBA 4's. Put it this way, Chris Anstey (Former Mavs) has won the MVP here and been dominating the league since his return from the NBA. Says it all really.

The only plus with Jawai is that he is very new to the game, a bit like Mahinmi in that he only started playing a few year back.

[AFBlue]

So who do the Spurs give guaranteed money to this year (first round pick)?

Will it be another international player so the Spurs don't have to pay the money or deal with the roster spot right away?

Will it be a wing player?

Thoughts?

[A.H 21-50]

So who do the Spurs give guaranteed money to this year (first round pick)?

Will it be another international player so the Spurs don't have to pay the money or deal with the roster spot right away?

Will it be a wing player?

Thoughts?

very difficult to know as the spurs always choose a scenario that any spursfan has imagine

i hope they will learn the lessons of drafting international players with scola and splitter ......

They have a lot of needs : wing , inside ..... we'll see

[AFBlue]

very difficult to know as the spurs always choose a scenario that any spursfan has imagine

i hope they will learn the lessons of drafting international players with scola and splitter ......

They have a lot of needs : wing , inside ..... we'll see

C'mon man, step out on a limb. I'll say they draft Bill Walker.

[K-State Spur]

I think Walker is too far away to be the pick (however, one of the K-State assistant coaches have said that the Spurs are one of 3 teams that really like BW).

I can't see the Spurs wanting to take a guy who will be eligible for free agency by the time he is ready to be a big contributor to a championship team.

[A.H 21-50]

C'mon man, step out on a limb. I'll say they draft Bill Walker.

walker with their second round pick maybe
seems to have the tool to do someting

offcourse i like his profile

[Mr. Body]

So who do the Spurs give guaranteed money to this year (first round pick)?

Will it be another international player so the Spurs don't have to pay the money or deal with the roster spot right away?

Will it be a wing player?

Thoughts?

I'm pretty sure they'll draft a tweener with a limited skill set but has good character and can name (for Pop) at least one leader of the former Soviet Union, and is slow but also "might be able to play a little point." There's a chance they may try to draft Marcus Williams again.

At the end of the season, after we lose in the second round and the 'assessment article' comes out where we learn all the behind-the-scenes stuff and know that a few of the early second rounders had pretty nice seasons, we'll find out that there were a couple chances to move the first for two early second picks that were shot down by Holt because he didn't want to pay 'double salary' (i.e. two players). Meanwhile, Pop will pretend he would have played young players in an off-handed remark about how disappointed he was the swap didn't go through.

That's pretty much how it goes down. I just haven't decided which bad prospect the Spurs will pick. I'm pretty sure they've learned enough to get to the kindergarten level and won't pick a foreign big man prospect, I'm just not sure how they'll wind up again without any youthful talent. It's just not clear to me who in that range is clearly the 'stay away from him' player yet.

[AFBlue]

:lol @ Body...

I'll go Euro in 1st rd that has potential to be good, but is a few years off and will undoubtedly blow up in the meantime and sign a long-term deal to stay overseas....Omri Casspi, who coincidentally is a little slow as a "tweener", but can play some point.

Then I'll go with a player in Round 2 who is only really effective at this point when he's playing as a power forward and needs to work on his jumpshooting in order to be a legit NBA player....not Marcus Williams again, but Bill Walker.

For the final pick, I'll go against the standard wisdom of a low-risk, low-ceiling player that could possibly come in and contribute....instead going for the obscure foreign player that could be decent down the road; Georgi Shermadini.

Oh, then they'll trade him away.

[Mr. Body]

You nailed it.

Victor Claver on the outside of Casspi.

[AFBlue]

You nailed it.

Victor Claver on the outside of Casspi.

Claver...nice! Not a name that gets brought up enough, IMO.

Both would be dumb to keep their names in the bucket at this point, but if they got a first round promise from someone (say the Spurs!?!?!) it'd be hard to pass up.

[Mr. Body]

I think Claver will pull out.

edited: Sorry, that's what you were saying.

My heart will catch if it turns out Casspi has a promise. It'd be obvious who promised him.

[AFBlue]

I think Claver will pull out.

edited: Sorry, that's what you were saying.

My heart will catch if it turns out Casspi has a promise. It'd be obvious who promised him.

Is his contract situation definitely going to keep him overseas next season?

[AA2120]

I like bill walker as well..but he might not be there at 26 if we're going to get a swingman with our first pick my list would be..
1.CDR
2.Rush
3.Walker

[TheProfessor]

I think Claver will pull out.

edited: Sorry, that's what you were saying.

My heart will catch if it turns out Casspi has a promise. It'd be obvious who promised him.
Casspi has been unhappy with his situation previously at Maccabi, so he may be willing to come over immediately on a guaranteed contract. Doesn't strike me as the kind of player who would appreciate working on his game in the D-League, though. I think if Casspi stays in the draft, he's got some kind of promise, and his agent was pretty vocal about his staying in previously.

[Mr. Body]

Casspi sounds like a guy unhappy with everything. He'd be unhappy as king of the world. What a sour attitude.

[mystargtr34]

I'm pretty sure they'll draft a tweener with a limited skill set but has good character and can name (for Pop) at least one leader of the former Soviet Union, and is slow but also "might be able to play a little point." There's a chance they may try to draft Marcus Williams again.

At the end of the season, after we lose in the second round and the 'assessment article' comes out where we learn all the behind-the-scenes stuff and know that a few of the early second rounders had pretty nice seasons, we'll find out that there were a couple chances to move the first for two early second picks that were shot down by Holt because he didn't want to pay 'double salary' (i.e. two players). Meanwhile, Pop will pretend he would have played young players in an off-handed remark about how disappointed he was the swap didn't go through.

That's pretty much how it goes down. I just haven't decided which bad prospect the Spurs will pick. I'm pretty sure they've learned enough to get to the kindergarten level and won't pick a foreign big man prospect, I'm just not sure how they'll wind up again without any youthful talent. It's just not clear to me who in that range is clearly the 'stay away from him' player yet.

:lmao

[angelbelow]

So who do the Spurs give guaranteed money to this year (first round pick)?

Will it be another international player so the Spurs don't have to pay the money or deal with the roster spot right away?

Will it be a wing player?

Thoughts?

it needs to be the best player available imo. regardless of position (assuming splitter really doesnt come) otherwise 1-3 is an obvious need.

[mathbzh]

Le Mans won the first games of the semis at home against Roanne 82-67.

Batum: 15 pts (5/9 FG, 3/7 3Pt, 2/5 FT) / 2 rbds / 6 ast / 2 stls / 3 PF / 4 TO in 31 minutes.

I did not see the game, but these stats look rather good. I would just like more rebounds, more 2 pts FGA (only 2) and less TO.

[TopTopaz]

If there's a player that the spurs should be interested of is Omri Casspi from Maccabi Tel Aviv in Israel
This guy isnt a great shooter, but he's fairly atheltic, and he plays with a lot of will and 'balls'.. Jumps to every rebound and goes after every loose ball.
He should be chosen in places around 25-35 in the draft.
As a guy who has seen this player for an entire year, Casspi reminds me a bit of Manu Ginobili, but of course with not as much talent as Manu has :)

[mystargtr34]

Le Mans won the first games of the semis at home against Roanne 82-67.

Batum: 15 pts (5/9 FG, 3/7 3Pt, 2/5 FT) / 2 rbds / 6 ast / 2 stls / 3 PF / 4 TO in 31 minutes.

I did not see the game, but these stats look rather good. I would just like more rebounds, more 2 pts FGA (only 2) and less TO.

Ah thats bad news... the better he plays the less likely he drops to us.

I really want him.

[Mr. Body]

The only really bad thing about Batum is his lack of rebounding.

[Sway]

I'm pretty sure they'll draft a tweener with a limited skill set but has good character and can name (for Pop) at least one leader of the former Soviet Union, and is slow but also "might be able to play a little point." There's a chance they may try to draft Marcus Williams again.

At the end of the season, after we lose in the second round and the 'assessment article' comes out where we learn all the behind-the-scenes stuff and know that a few of the early second rounders had pretty nice seasons, we'll find out that there were a couple chances to move the first for two early second picks that were shot down by Holt because he didn't want to pay 'double salary' (i.e. two players). Meanwhile, Pop will pretend he would have played young players in an off-handed remark about how disappointed he was the swap didn't go through.

That's pretty much how it goes down. I just haven't decided which bad prospect the Spurs will pick. I'm pretty sure they've learned enough to get to the kindergarten level and won't pick a foreign big man prospect, I'm just not sure how they'll wind up again without any youthful talent. It's just not clear to me who in that range is clearly the 'stay away from him' player yet.

:lmao

Man I hope you are wrong...

[A.H 21-50]

I saw some of you wanting chalmers , he seems to be a good player but do you think it's a priority to have a back up point guard ?

Imo a wing player and someone inside if Splitter doesn't come are the options

Maybe a combo guard , pg/sg could be an option but i prefer a sg/sf who can scores also someone inside who can hit the boards and block some shots is a necessity

[Gino2882]

What is everyones take on Roy Hibbert? I know many feel Hibbert underachieved throughout his college career but he put up solid numbers each year and is a season as well as young player. Hibbert just turned 21 and is 7'2 260. I feel a player like Hibbert would allow Duncan to legitimately play the power forward position while giving Duncan a serious compliment on the defensive end. Hibbert could immediately give the Spurs serious minutes at the center position and allow Ian Mahinmi to slowly work his way into the PF/C rotation.

As for wing players, I think it would be beyond a dream if the Spurs were able to land Brandon Rush. He is being very underrated. A legitimate 6'6 wing player who is deadly from three and gives great effort on defense. Someone like Bill Walker would solve the lack of athleticism problem.

A couple potential scenarios (assuming Splitter stays with Tau)

Draft Roy Hibbert and sign someone like Mickael Petrius.

Draft Rush/Walker/CDR and re-sign Kurt Thomas.

[angelbelow]

hibbert is an idea that i like however i think another team will draft him before he gets to us.

[A.H 21-50]

What is everyones take on Roy Hibbert? I know many feel Hibbert underachieved throughout his college career but he put up solid numbers each year and is a season as well as young player. Hibbert just turned 21 and is 7'2 260. I feel a player like Hibbert would allow Duncan to legitimately play the power forward position while giving Duncan a serious compliment on the defensive end. Hibbert could immediately give the Spurs serious minutes at the center position and allow Ian Mahinmi to slowly work his way into the PF/C rotation.

As for wing players, I think it would be beyond a dream if the Spurs were able to land Brandon Rush. He is being very underrated. A legitimate 6'6 wing player who is deadly from three and gives great effort on defense. Someone like Bill Walker would solve the lack of athleticism problem.

A couple potential scenarios (assuming Splitter stays with Tau)

Draft Roy Hibbert and sign someone like Mickael Petrius.

Draft Rush/Walker/CDR and re-sign Kurt Thomas.

I don't think Hibbert will fall to the no.26 pick but offcourse if he was here why not

Rush and CDR will be good too , walker with our second round

[K-State Spur]

I don't think Hibbert will fall to the no.26 pick but offcourse if he was here why not

Rush and CDR will be good too , walker with our second round

Zero chance that Walker would still be on the board when we choose in the second round. There's an outside chance that he may not even be around at 26 - he's such a tremendous athlete that he just has to show something in the Orlando camp and a few teams will fall in love with him.

That said, for this team, I much prefer CDR or Courtney Lee with our first pick.

[exstatic]

Hibbert allegedly has AWFUL hands. If you hated seeing Nazr fumble away passes you probably want no part of Hibbert. I also don't think that hands are something that can be taught or improved. I'd prefer almost any other hole in his game.

[Bruno]

Spurs need speed and Hilbert is slow. Pass.

[timvp]

I kinda like the idea of Bill Walker. I know he has some red flags regarding attitude and off the court issues, but his game looks really NBA compatible. He's the type of explosive athlete that can struggle in college because of the short three-point line and the zone defense but then could breakout in the NBA because of the added open space.

I saw a video of him recently and he looks to have lost a good amount of weight since the end of the season. He'd definitely be a high-risk, high-reward pick but he has a skillset that could potentially really help.

His torn ACL worries me but ACL tears when you are young usually heal quickly and no longer have a devestating long-term impact. I need to do some more research but I'm starting to like the Bill Walker bandwagon.

[A.H 21-50]

Spurs need speed and Hilbert is slow. Pass.

I have the same feeling

Wich big do you think Guys could be a good addition to the team ? ( with Splitter staying in tau)

[Spur-Addict]

I kinda like the idea of Bill Walker. I know he has some red flags regarding attitude and off the court issues, but his game looks really NBA compatible. He's the type of explosive athlete that can struggle in college because of the short three-point line and the zone defense but then could breakout in the NBA because of the added open space.

I saw a video of him recently and he looks to have lost a good amount of weight since the end of the season. He'd definitely be a high-risk, high-reward pick but he has a skillset that could potentially really help.

His torn ACL worries me but ACL tears when you are young usually heal quickly and no longer have a devestating long-term impact. I need to do some more research but I'm starting to like the Bill Walker bandwagon.


I like Bill. He'd have to spend some time with Chip, but who doesn't? His size and ball handling ability will give fits. Plus, he's accustomed to physical basketball so he would fit in well. He enjoys playing inside, driving and finishing etc. Also, he can get out and run, he can guard some ppl as well. Not a great defender but he can D up some. We need a legit big as well. I'd put Bill at the three mostly.

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs need speed and Hilbert is slow. Pass.True. I know next to nothing about the draft, but there seems to be a great number of players with high athleticism available at the Spurs' draft spots. Unless an skilled player with less athleticism has something working for him like great size for his position (and there are a couple of those), I'll take the athlete.

[AFBlue]

I kinda like the idea of Bill Walker. I know he has some red flags regarding attitude and off the court issues, but his game looks really NBA compatible. He's the type of explosive athlete that can struggle in college because of the short three-point line and the zone defense but then could breakout in the NBA because of the added open space.

I saw a video of him recently and he looks to have lost a good amount of weight since the end of the season. He'd definitely be a high-risk, high-reward pick but he has a skillset that could potentially really help.

His torn ACL worries me but ACL tears when you are young usually heal quickly and no longer have a devestating long-term impact. I need to do some more research but I'm starting to like the Bill Walker bandwagon.


Reports on him say he's lost 25 pounds since the end of the season, and judging by the scouting video I'd tend to believe it. Also, I think the off-court questions about him are overblown...sort of the way they were with Williams.

Oddly enough, he has a similar power game with Williams, but the one major difference is his athleticism. Unlike Williams, he should be able to make the transition successfully to SG/SF because he's got the speed and quickness to do so. Reminds me alot of Bonzi Wells, except a better defender.

[AFBlue]

I like Bill. Not a great defender but he can D up some.

Listening to his scouting video it seems he wants to concentrate first and foremost on being a defensive stopper. Based on his video, he seems to have the right attitude and the athleticism is certainly appealing.

[K-State Spur]

I kinda like the idea of Bill Walker. I know he has some red flags regarding attitude and off the court issues

What off the court issues?

[K-State Spur]

Reports on him say he's lost 25 pounds since the end of the season, and judging by the scouting video I'd tend to believe it. Also, I think the off-court questions about him are overblown...sort of the way they were with Williams.

Oddly enough, he has a similar power game with Williams, but the one major difference is his athleticism. Unlike Williams, he should be able to make the transition successfully to SG/SF because he's got the speed and quickness to do so. Reminds me alot of Bonzi Wells, except a better defender.

He very easily could become one, but Walker has been a terrible defender to date.

He struggled mightily on the perimeter, and rarely rotated correctly in the post.

There are many other aspects of his game that are certainly further along, but his defense is still a long ways off.

[AFBlue]

He very easily could become one, but Walker has been a terrible defender to date.

He struggled mightily on the perimeter, and rarely rotated correctly in the post.

There are many other aspects of his game that are certainly further along, but his defense is still a long ways off.

Thanks for the insight. I was just making reference to the video I saw, where he kept mentioning that he wanted to concentrate on defense and be a good defender for some team.

Sounded like he had the right attitude and I know he's got the skill.

[K-State Spur]

His only real attitude issue is that he gets frustrated with the officiating.

He proved to be a great teammate, was solid in the classroom (reports are that he is the smartest guy on the team), and Frank Martin said that he was very coachable.

And, despite being recruited by Bob Huggins to be 'the man', he deferred to Beasley as the go-to player without complaint.

Really, if his jumper wasn't just completely erratic, I'd like him a lot more @ 26. I just worry that he's still raw enough that he might be a guy like Jermaine O'Neal who is past his rookie contract before he is truly ready to contribute.

But, there is good reason that no NBA team is offering me a scouting job.

[SPARKY]

I kinda like the idea of Bill Walker. I know he has some red flags regarding attitude and off the court issues, but his game looks really NBA compatible. He's the type of explosive athlete that can struggle in college because of the short three-point line and the zone defense but then could breakout in the NBA because of the added open space.

I saw a video of him recently and he looks to have lost a good amount of weight since the end of the season. He'd definitely be a high-risk, high-reward pick but he has a skillset that could potentially really help.

His torn ACL worries me but ACL tears when you are young usually heal quickly and no longer have a devestating long-term impact. I need to do some more research but I'm starting to like the Bill Walker bandwagon.

He would make sense as a high 2nd round pick. You don't feel good enough about his game to give him a guaranteed contract with the 1st round pick. Problem for the Spurs is, they don't pick in the 2nd round for the first time until #45. Undoubtedly some other team will think the same and take him before then. More or less it's the same story as Marcus Williams. He didn't pan out, and it didn't cost you much.

[K-State Spur]

He would make sense as a high 2nd round pick. You don't feel good enough about his game to give him a guaranteed contract with the 1st round pick. Problem for the Spurs is, the don't pick in the 2nd round for the first time until #45. Undoubtedly some other team will think the same and take him before then. More or less it's the same story as Marcus Williams. He didn't pan out, and it didn't cost you much.

it may mean something, it may mean not. but the word amongst the KSU coaching staff is that Walker's status is sky-rocketing and he may not even be around at 26 at this point.

it's not that outlandish. from a pure athlete standpoint, i'm not sure anybody else in this draft can match him - including Rose & Beasley.

[T Park]

Is 45 where the Raptor's second round pick ended up?

[A.H 21-50]

Is 45 where the Raptor's second round pick ended up?

yes

[ChumpDumper]

Is 45 where the Raptor's second round pick ended up?
Yep.

[T Park]

bleeping Raptors.

Oh well 45th pick Bonner >>>>>> Rasho

[AFBlue]

If Walker, Rush, Batum, and CDR are all off the board at #26....:pctoss

Nah, I guess it won't matter because the Spurs have probably given a guarantee to an international like Omri Casspi.

[T Park]

Then you go to the next player.

Nothing you can do about the players in front of you.

If you can package the 26th and someone else to get to 20 or whatever, that works. It's never been done and no one wants to trade with the Spurs (allegedly in the draft)

[Srupsog]

Spurs need to draft an athletic wing and a point guard

[K-State Spur]

If Walker, Rush, Batum, and CDR are all off the board at #26....:pctoss


= Courtney Lee.

[A.H 21-50]

Spurs need to draft an athletic wing and a point guard

It's a point i don't understant now ? is a point guard more important than a wing player or a big inside if splitter doesn't come ???
A lot of people want a back up Pg , with parker here we can just go with a vet imo

If Splitter comes then yes an athletic wing and Pg

[SPARKY]

I think in this draft the Spurs should be very un-Spur like. That is, don't take the international player that nobody's heard of and could be very good in 2015. It's time to mine for gems stateside while the rest of the NBA copies your model. I think they've started down this path. They took Williams last year when they could've used that 2nd round pick on yet another international talent. Yes, it didn't work out. But a lot of draft picks don't. The real jump for the Spurs in this draft will be to take a domestic player with their 1st round pick. They have not done so and kept the rights to that player since...1997.

The argument for taking a domestic player is that with the amount of talent available in the draft, plus the fact that more teams are utilizing draft and stash in the face of guaranteed first round contracts, this results in quality NCAA talent falling down down the draft board.

I'm not one to argue with the Spurs basic model for championship success. Building a supporting cast out of experienced vets has worked to the tune of 4 championships. But it should be noted that the Spurs have also developed role players out of young talent within their system (AD, Malik, & Jack). Of course, that list kinda drops off circa the 2003 title.

This isn't to say that I think Pop is totally doctrinaire in his approach to basketball as it relates to a player's age. Starting a 19 year old French point guard playing in his 2nd career NBA game disabuses one of the notion. But with Tim Duncan's career presumably ending in 4 years, the Spurs need help now sooner than later. With a young player you can perhaps mold him into the perfect Spur role player rather than attempting to unwind the bad habits out of an aging vet. As we've seen with Splitter, there's no guarantee an international talent will be ready to go when you need him. Plus you already have prospects at the 3, 4, & 5 abroad as it stands. Why add another at this point?

[Mr. Body]

If Walker, Rush, Batum, and CDR are all off the board at #26....:pctoss

Nah, I guess it won't matter because the Spurs have probably given a guarantee to an international like Omri Casspi.

Courtney Lee, as the Wildcat said. Could be better than any of them and is probably the best scorer.

[Biggems]

who would you pick if you had to choose between Dorsey and Hardin?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Dorsey

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Mike Taylor had a very poor performance with just 1 point and 6 turnovers on 0-6 shooting in 20 minutes, but luckily for him, very few people were watching. His tendency to force the issue was extremely evident, and the opinions about him here at this camp are clearly mixed. Some people like him, and a lot of people don’t. It will be interesting to see what ends up happening with him.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Pre-Draft-Camp,-Day-Four-2905/

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I saw that. I'm sure he did enough to get workouts from the teams that did like him.

Now we get to wait for the measurements. That's when I start caring about the draft.

[Spurtacus]

Courtney Lee sounds like a great fit for the Spurs. High character guy who can play both sides of the ball.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Courtney-Lee-471/

[Borosai]

When the hell is this draft everyone's talking about?

[Spurtacus]

When the hell is this draft everyone's talking about?

June 26.

[Darkwaters]

Courtney Lee sounds like a great fit for the Spurs. High character guy who can play both sides of the ball.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Courtney-Lee-471/

Yep, hes been talked about in this thread before. But I tend to agree, I think hes a good guy to take a shot on.

[Biggems]

Dorsey

why dorsey over hardin?

[mathbzh]

The only really bad thing about Batum is his lack of rebounding.
Batum averages 5 rpg and is the 3rd rebounder for Le Mans this is not bad for a SG/SF. But he is not a very consistent rebounder and could probably do a little better given his size and athletism. Sometime he looks like he is not focused on rebounding (maybe it comes from is coach).

[mystargtr34]

Hey Chump when are the measurements held... next week some time?

[Bruno]

Some players who will work out with Spurs :
Marcelus Kemp
Sean Singletary
George Hill
Jeremy Pargo (maybe)
Danny Green
Kyle Hines
Ty Lawson

[Marcus Bryant]

Some players who will work out with Spurs :
Marcelus Kemp
Sean Singletary
George Hill
Jeremy Pargo (maybe)
Danny Green
Kyle Hines
Ty Lawson

Lawson may go 1st round. The rest of those look like 2nd rounders.

[mystargtr34]

Some players who will work out with Spurs :
Marcelus Kemp
Sean Singletary
George Hill
Jeremy Pargo (maybe)
Danny Green
Kyle Hines
Ty Lawson

The only guy i could see the Spurs taking at 26 is Lawson.... could this mean the Spurs have basically made up their mind on 26?

[Bruno]

The only guy i could see the Spurs taking at 26 is Lawson.... could this mean the Spurs have basically made up their mind on 26?

The list is far from being complete. Spurs will work out with a lot of other players.

[timvp]

I'm bumping this thread for general draft discussion.

At 26, I don't have an absolute favorite but there are a lot of players I like that could be available, especially at shooting guard and small forward. Swingmen at 26 I'd be happy with:

Chase Budinger
Nicolas Batum
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Brandon Rush
Bill Walker
Courtney Lee

Highest potential out of this group I'd say is Walker or Batum. The players who could help the Spurs most right now would probably be Rush. And if somehow Joe Alexander or Donte Green fell, they'd be awesome swingman picks at 26.

At the bigman positions, at 26 I'd be most happy with Robin Lopez since I think he could step in and help right away. For project bigs, I like Jason Thompson and DeVon Hardin. Those two players are perfect for Austin and could become quality pieces after a year or two of seasoning.

The only point guard prospect I'd consider at 26 is Mario Chalmers. And really, the only reason I'd consider him is because Bill Self could give his best friend RC Buford the inside scoop on Chalmer's abilities. I'd like a scoring point guard to backup TP. Chalmer is more like Jacque Vaughn on steroids. Probably a solid pick not too much potential.

At 45, any of the above players would be nice, obviously. Other players I'd throw into the mix:

Gary Forbes - A Panamanian swingman who is dominating the draft camps.
Sonny Weems - The fastest and one of the most athletic shooting guards in the draft.
Joey Dorsey - Ben Wallace style bigman who's main flaw is being even shorter than Wallace.
Nikola Pekovic - If everyone else of good value is off the board, might as well take the Euro who'd be a near lottery pick if he didn't have a three-year contract in Greece.
JR Giddens - Any 6-foot-5 wing who can average almost nine boards in college is worth a look.

At 57, my personal favorites are:

Goran Dragic - Defensive minded Slovenian point guard.
Keith Brumbaugh - Fresh out of prison but former top ten prospect whose favorite team is the Spurs.
George Hill - Small school point guard.
Mike Taylor - Speedy combo guard who played in the D-League last year.
Pat Calathes - 6-foot-10 player who could play shooting guard.
Shan Foster - Has struggled in draft camps but a good kid who can shoot.

Players I want the Spurs to avoid:

Kosta Koufos - Good talent but I think he'd turn into another Splitter situation.
Roy Hibbert - Too immobile.
Alexis Ajinca - Too soft.
Nathan Jawai - Too much bust potential.

I'm missing some prospects in this post but so far this is shaping up to be a draft where the Spurs could come away with two players that have a chance to make the team.

[AFBlue]

Throw Malik Hairston into the mix at #45. He hasn't lived up to expectations to this point, but he has good size and athleticism to make him worth the gamble if he's there at 45.

[Mr. Body]

It's probably wrong to call Courtney Lee a swingman in any sense, as he's a SG. I'd mark him at the top of the list at 26, if perhaps behind Rush. I think he could be a very good fit.

Chase Budinger is a forgotten boy at this point... wonder where he falls, if he pulls out, or what. Not necessarily Spurs material (bad defense), but could be worth a listing.

Pat Calathes might be more of a mid-2nd pick, and could be very worth it.

[AFBlue]

It's probably wrong to call Courtney Lee a swingman in any sense, as he's a SG. I'd mark him at the top of the list at 26, if perhaps behind Rush. I think he could be a very good fit.

Chase Budinger is a forgotten boy at this point... wonder where he falls, if he pulls out, or what. Not necessarily Spurs material (bad defense), but could be worth a listing.

Pat Calathes might be more of a mid-2nd pick, and could be very worth it.

Chase Budinger will work out for a team picking in the teens and they'll fall in love with his size, athleticism, and jumpshot. There are a few questions surrounding his defense and attitude (laid back/passive?), but I wouldn't anticipate him falling to the Spurs when all is said and done.

Reminds me a hell of alot of Brent Barry FWIW.

[AFBlue]

It's probably wrong to call Courtney Lee a swingman in any sense, as he's a SG. I'd mark him at the top of the list at 26, if perhaps behind Rush. I think he could be a very good fit.



Also, Lee being just a SG I think puts him behind some others regardless of him being a ready-made scorer. But that's my philosophy and I'm not sure it's shared by the Spurs.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Prediction:
26. Bill Walker
45. Sonny Weems
57. Goran Dragic

[timvp]

Prediction:
26. Bill Walker
45. Sonny Weems
57. Goran DragicThe Spurs have been attracted to speed in recent years. Parker first caught their eye when he shattered the speed record at draft camps. Elson was signed solely because he's fast. Cook last year timed out as fast. They liked Splitter partly due to his speed.

Weems at 6-foot-6 is the fastest player in the draft. At 45 I can very easily see the Spurs going that route :tu





Oh and yeah that'd be a hell of a pull from the draft if the Spurs got that threesome. If Walker and Weems even halfway panned out, they'd solve any athleticism problems the Spurs have on the perimeter. Dragic would be a nice point guard to have in the pipeline that could come over in two or three years.

[Russ]

I'd go for Rush, CDR or Batum (if they can sign him now).

For some reason, I think Lee and Walker will be busts.

[Spurs Brazil]

Nets Fielding Calls For Draft Picks


Jun 07, 2008 5:04 AM EST
The New Jersey Nets own picks 10 and 21 in the first round of the NBA Draft later this month, and according to GM Kiki Vandeweghe, the team is fielding a number of calls from opponents who are interested in trading, the New York Post is reporting.

"We're starting to get calls on the number 10 pick and 21. Later in the first round is getting very popular," said Vandeweghe.

"People are seeing this is a deep draft. They're going to find somebody they like," Vandeweghe added. "So I probably fielded five or six calls [Thursday] on 10 and 21. The discussions are starting. What that tells you is we have the opportunity or the chance to get somebody pretty good there."

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/52881/20080607/nets_fielding_calls_for_draft_picks/

[Sway]

At 57, my personal favorites are:

Goran Dragic - Defensive minded Slovenian point guard.
Keith Brumbaugh - Fresh out of prison but former top ten prospect whose favorite team is the Spurs.
George Hill - Small school point guard.
Mike Taylor - Speedy combo guard who played in the D-League last year.
Pat Calathes - 6-foot-10 player who could play shooting guard.
Shan Foster - Has struggled in draft camps but a good kid who can shoot.


Either one of these two guys would be a really good pick this late in the draft.

[AFBlue]

Guess I'll give my preferences for the #26 pick....

Top Tier
1. Brandon Rush

Solid Choices
2. Bill Walker
3. Nicolas Batum
4. Chase Budinger
5. Robin Lopez
6. Chris Douglas-Roberts
7. Courney Lee
8. Mario Chalmers
9. JJ Hickson
10. Serge Ibaka

So-So
11. DJ White
12. Omri Casspi
13. Devon Hardin
14. Victor Claver
15. Jason Thompson

Reaches
16. Wayne Ellington
17. Alexi Ajinca
18. Joey Dorsey
19. Luc Richard Mbah A Moute
20. Nathan Jawai

[oligarchy]

No love for Dove? Figured most people would love a long 3 with defensive prowess. He lacks the O, but could get there.

[Mr. Body]

No love for Dove? Figured most people would love a long 3 with defensive prowess. He lacks the O, but could get there.

I'd like at least a camp invite.

[AFBlue]

Does anyone know when the cutoff date for players to stay in/get out of the draft?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The 16th, I believe.

[AFBlue]

The 16th, I believe.

Guess this means we'll find out tomorrow who is in for sure...

Anyone know if there's a specific time on the 16th to withdraw your name from draft consideration?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Guess this means we'll find out tomorrow who is in for sure...

Anyone know if there's a specific time on the 16th to withdraw your name from draft consideration?

I can't remember where I heard this, but I think it's 4 p.m. Eastern time.

[AFBlue]

I can't remember where I heard this, but I think it's 4 p.m. Eastern time.

Cool, thanks for the info.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

That latest Bill Walker article said it's 5 p.m. Eastern time.

[SPURSGOAT]

Is the draft going to be on ESPN? Like they do with the NFL draft?

[Marcus Bryant]

Tomorrow is the deadline.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Is the draft going to be on ESPN? Like they do with the NFL draft?

Yup.

[Mr. Body]

Sadly I'll be in the air on a long flight during the draft, so will be rushing to check online once I get home what happened.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

That sucks.

[Mr. Body]

That sucks.

I had a great time watching it live in a bar with my Rockets and Pistons friends last year. Alas.

[timvp]

After doing some research, the players we have to watch today who might pull out of the draft that could hurt the depth of the draft before the Spurs pick are Gallinari, Budinger, Lawson, Walker and Ibaka.

If at least four of those five players stay in, the Spurs should be in good shape. :hungry:

[Mr. Body]

After doing some research, the players we have to watch today who might pull out of the draft that could hurt the depth of the draft before the Spurs pick are Gallinari, Budinger, Lawson, Walker and Ibaka.

If at least four of those five players stay in, the Spurs should be in good shape. :hungry:

I could see at least 2 of those leaving (Galinari, Walker), which is bad.

Hendrix and Ajinca may be moving up.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I think only Walker will pull out.

[tav1]

Chad Ford writes:

"That means that most of the top young international players -- including Serge Ibaka, Ante Tomic, Victor Claver and Giorgi Shermadini -- are leaning strongly toward staying in the draft despite not having first-round guarantees. In fact, in most cases, their agents don't want them going in the first round."

I've advocated that the Spurs try to grab Minnesota's 31 and 35. There is going to be tremendoes value at those picks. Previously I had hoped that the Splitter rights could land those picks, but that seems impossible now. Still it'd be nice to have those picks.

[Mr. Body]

Chad Ford writes:

"That means that most of the top young international players -- including Serge Ibaka, Ante Tomic, Victor Claver and Giorgi Shermadini -- are leaning strongly toward staying in the draft despite not having first-round guarantees. In fact, in most cases, their agents don't want them going in the first round."

I've advocated that the Spurs try to grab Minnesota's 31 and 35. There is going to be tremendoes value at those picks. Previously I had hoped that the Splitter rights could land those picks, but that seems impossible now. Still it'd be nice to have those picks.

Those picks rocket up in value if these guys stay in. Damn.

[tav1]

After doing some research, the players we have to watch today who might pull out of the draft that could hurt the depth of the draft before the Spurs pick are Gallinari, Budinger, Lawson, Walker and Ibaka.

If at least four of those five players stay in, the Spurs should be in good shape. :hungry:

Of those, only Walker is a concern to me. Ibaka might prefer to be drafted in round 2.


Again, if we picked up one of Minnesota's early second rounders, we could give Walker a promise at, say, 31. But in that case, we'd still need to use the 26 on Courtney Lee, or some such. Pick up the extra pick to take a flier on Walker.

It's an absolute buyer's market on Walker right now. His stock is already low and the injury worsens things.

[Mr. Body]

Chad Ford writes:

"That means that most of the top young international players -- including Serge Ibaka, Ante Tomic, Victor Claver and Giorgi Shermadini -- are leaning strongly toward staying in the draft despite not having first-round guarantees. In fact, in most cases, their agents don't want them going in the first round."

I've advocated that the Spurs try to grab Minnesota's 31 and 35. There is going to be tremendoes value at those picks. Previously I had hoped that the Splitter rights could land those picks, but that seems impossible now. Still it'd be nice to have those picks.

Actually, you could see the very late 20s picks and the very early 30s picks flip in value, with a team like Boston trading their 1st straight up for an early 2nd.

[K-State Spur]

Again, if we picked up one of Minnesota's early second rounders, we could give Walker a promise at, say, 31. But in that case, we'd still need to use the 26 on Courtney Lee, or some such. Pick up the extra pick to take a flier on Walker.

Why would a promise to Walker at 31 be of any value to him?

[Mr. Body]

Why would a promise to Walker at 31 be of any value to him?

It wouldn't. I don't know why people think Walker would be happy being a 2nd round pick.

[tav1]

Why would a promise to Walker at 31 be of any value to him?

It wouldn't be of much value, unless he really just doesn't want to go back to school. I admit, it's a hard sell. But even removing Walker from the picture, having a shot at Ibaka right there, or even Batum, would be great too.

I lost my point in the Walker rant--the thing I wanted to press is that there is great value between 31 and 36.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I thought Claver and Tomic already withdrew.

[pad300]

Another possibility would be Portland at #33 and #36. We're friends with their GM, and they have a roster spot crunch already. Pick #26 for #33 and #36 might be a viable trade. Alternatively, we might trade the rights to Splitter - Portland doesn't want players who will be taking Roster spots immediately anyway...

[SenorSpur]

Another possibility would be Portland at #33 and #36. We're friends with their GM, and they have a roster spot crunch already. Pick #26 for #33 and #36 might be a viable trade. Alternatively, we might trade the rights to Splitter - Portland doesn't want players who will be taking Roster spots immediately anyway...

I'd rather have Portland's 13th pick and the opportunity to take Joe Alexander. :lol

[pad300]

I'd rather have Portland's 13th pick and the opportunity to take Joe Alexander. :lol

True, but what are you going to give Portland for #13? #26, Rights to Splitter and big sloppy wet kiss? That's about all we have, and I don't think that they'd take it...

[Sway]

Another possibility would be Portland at #33 and #36. We're friends with their GM, and they have a roster spot crunch already. Pick #26 for #33 and #36 might be a viable trade. Alternatively, we might trade the rights to Splitter - Portland doesn't want players who will be taking Roster spots immediately anyway...

I mentioned a similiar option in another trade, but I think we should go after their 1st round pick. Like you said, Portland is stacked right now so they would be open to a pick that wont come over for a couple years.

[Mr. Body]

That #13 I'd expect is well out of our range. I could see Portland packaging it to move up and get a player they really want, or more likely put together some of their assets for a star or near star like Michael Redd.

[A.H 21-50]

Another possibility would be Portland at #33 and #36. We're friends with their GM, and they have a roster spot crunch already. Pick #26 for #33 and #36 might be a viable trade. Alternatively, we might trade the rights to Splitter - Portland doesn't want players who will be taking Roster spots immediately anyway...

i'm not sure that #33 and #36 will be better than # 26

with their trade exception the spurs could move to an early second round pick or with a best case scenario to a late first round pick like portland last year with phoenix for fernandez

imo the spurs will prefer one player than two , with the fa and the draft hey may add three or four new player in the roster so there isn't a lot of roster spots for rookies

[SenorSpur]

True, but what are you going to give Portland for #13? #26, Rights to Splitter and big sloppy wet kiss? That's about all we have, and I don't think that they'd take it...

It's was just a wild-ass pipe dream only.

[timvp]

It's tough for me to put my picks in order at 26 but right this second I'm thinking:

1. Rush
2. Chalmers
3. Budinger
4. Douglas-Roberts
5. Batum
6. Lee
7. Walker

I'd honestly be fine with any of those guys. That's a pretty nice range to pick from, especially since only Rush is a longshot to be there at 26.

At 45, it's starting to look like a quality big might drop. Hickson, Thompson, Hardin, Ajinca, Hendrix and White all seem to be worth the pick at 45.

[Mr. Body]

DJ White, a forgotten man, would be great at 45.

[A.H 21-50]

It's tough for me to put my picks in order at 26 but right this second I'm thinking:

1. Rush
2. Chalmers
3. Budinger
4. Douglas-Roberts
5. Batum
6. Lee
7. Walker

I'd honestly be fine with any of those guys. That's a pretty nice range to pick from, especially since only Rush is a longshot to be there at 26.

At 45, it's starting to look like a quality big might drop. Hickson, Thompson, Hardin, Ajinca, Hendrix and White all seem to be worth the pick at 45.


i agree with those picks except chalmers over bundliger, batum or lee
chalmers looks good but it's not really what the spurs need imo

Could chalmers really play sg ???

[tav1]

It's tough for me to put my picks in order at 26 but right this second I'm thinking:

1. Rush
2. Chalmers
3. Budinger
4. Douglas-Roberts
5. Batum
6. Lee
7. Walker

I'd honestly be fine with any of those guys. That's a pretty nice range to pick from, especially since only Rush is a longshot to be there at 26.

At 45, it's starting to look like a quality big might drop. Hickson, Thompson, Hardin, Ajinca, Hendrix and White all seem to be worth the pick at 45.

That's basically my list too, but in a slightly different order. The only name I disagree with is Chalmers. I'd rather the Spurs not target a pg in the first round of this draft, but instead target a combo guard like Mike Taylor at 45 or a flier like Bonoko or Ponkrashov at 57. Brent Barry is a better option at back up point than anyone we'd draft. In addition to that, there remains a remote chance of grabbing a point like Sergio Rodriquez with the trade exception. Again, he's better than our draft options.

Beyond this, I fully expect the Spurs to draft a swing at 26, and if it's someone like Lee--who could step in to some role right now--there is going to be a real push for minutes at sg and sf. Rather than Barry or the rookie rot on the bench, I'd rather Barry play behind Parker and free some minutes elsewhere to develop the young guys.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs might be able to move up if a team is looking to shed salary in fear of the lux tax. Being able to take back a contract(s) with the Beno trade exception and swap a lower 1st round pick guaranteed contract for a higher one might appeal to another team, especially if they think they can address their needs at #26 just as well as they could in the mid teens. Add some cash or perhaps a 2nd rounder and I can see it happening.

[K-State Spur]

i agree with those picks except chalmers over bundliger, batum or lee
chalmers looks good but it's not really what the spurs need imo

Could chalmers really play sg ???

Not against everybody, but he could survive there for stretches.

He's actually pretty long for his height, which allowed him to guard guys who were even in the 6'4-6'5 range in college.

And obviously, offensively he played mostly off the ball the past 2 years.

[tav1]

Spurs might be able to move up if a team is looking to shed salary in fear of the lux tax. Being able to take back a contract(s) with the Beno trade exception and swap a lower 1st round pick guaranteed contract for a higher one might appeal to another team, especially if they think they can address their needs at #26 just as well as they could in the mid teens. Add some cash or perhaps a 2nd rounder and I can see it happening.

Yes.

This is the first draft in a long time I've been especially excited about. Typically, I'm of the opinion that the draft is not of much use to the Spurs, so I don't follow it closely. The free agent market is always the more useful option. But there are so many possibilities to land players that could actually contribute this year, I'm starting to get high hopes. And going along with what you've said, it looks as if there are some opportunities for the Spurs to move around in this draft.

[TheProfessor]

From DX: (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Early-Entry-Withdrawal-Deadline-Gallinari-Stays-in-the-Draft--152ET--2929/)

According to Danilo Gallinari's official website:

"After some workouts and having carefully evalued any opportunity for his career, Danilo Gallinari decided to attend the 2008 NBA Draft. In this very moment Danilo and his father are in Los Angeles, waiting to be joined by the rest of the family."

Gallinari will work out for the Minnesota Timberwolves later this week, according to sources close to the situation.

-Rodrigue Beaubois- French point guard Rodrigue Beaubois will pull his name out of the draft, according to his agent Bill McCandless. Beaubois did not receive a promise in the first round, and thus preferred not to risk anything considering his excellent situation in Cholet next year. He canceled his workouts with Seattle and Cleveland. Fellow French early-entry prospect Luc Louves has withdrawn as well according to McCandless.

-Jonas Jerebko- Has withdrawn his name from the draft, according to his agent Doug Neustadt.

-C.J. Giles will keep his name in the draft, agent Bill Kent told DraftExpress.

- Chris Douglas-Roberts of Memphis will reportedly keep his name in the draft and hire agent Leon Rose.

-Ty Lawson will be returning to North Carolina, according to a source close to the situation.

-Ante Tomic is staying in the draft, according to his agent Marc Cornstein.

[Marcus Bryant]

-Ty Lawson will be returning to North Carolina, according to a source close to the situation.

That might upset the Chalmers to SA scenario.

[Mr. Body]

Lawson going back is a surprise. This draft is awful with PGs. Why did Collison not stay in?!

[Silverheart80]

I love reading everyone's takes here re: the Draft. Timvp, I enjoy your posts a lot. I had Rush high on my wishlist for the Spurs at 26, until I read K-State Spurs' assessment that he thought Rush couldn't create his own shot or slash to the basket. Granted, one fan's opinion isn't gospel, but were that to be the case, that's a big red flag, I think.....

At the moment, I'm a lot more intrigued by CDR because his ability to create his own shot seems to be a strength. So I'd have to put him at #1 on my wishlist right now.

Timvp -- are you putting Rush at #1 on your list because you think CDR won't be around at 26 or is there a clear advantage you see in favor of Rush over CDR? Just curious....again, much appreciated....thanks, man.

[oligarchy]

It's tough for me to put my picks in order at 26 but right this second I'm thinking:

1. Rush
2. Chalmers
3. Budinger
4. Douglas-Roberts
5. Batum
6. Lee
7. Walker

I'd honestly be fine with any of those guys. That's a pretty nice range to pick from, especially since only Rush is a longshot to be there at 26.

At 45, it's starting to look like a quality big might drop. Hickson, Thompson, Hardin, Ajinca, Hendrix and White all seem to be worth the pick at 45.

I'd also throw JR Giddens in there at 45. He's a nice combo guard that could be very serviceable. At 57, maybe Weems, Taylor, and I personally like Dove. He might go undrafted and could be picked up later.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

And the deadline is over.

[Mr. Body]

Budinger out.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Lester Hudson, John Riek, and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute all withdrew.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Giorgio Shermadini out.

[wildbill2u]

DX list of those in and out and on the bubble.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Early-Entry-Withdrawal-Deadline-Who-s-In-or-Out--455-EST--2929/

[SPURSGOAT]

It's tough for me to put my picks in order at 26 but right this second I'm thinking:

1. Rush
2. Chalmers
3. Budinger
4. Douglas-Roberts
5. Batum
6. Lee
7. Walker

I'd honestly be fine with any of those guys. That's a pretty nice range to pick from, especially since only Rush is a longshot to be there at 26.

At 45, it's starting to look like a quality big might drop. Hickson, Thompson, Hardin, Ajinca, Hendrix and White all seem to be worth the pick at 45.

Dang I hope we get one of those in the list now with all the peeps that have withdrew from the draft. Thinking that Chalmers might be more valuable now with Parker maybe going to play for the French team this summer...

[Mr. Body]

Dang I hope we get one of those in the list now with all the peeps that have withdrew from the draft. Thinking that Chalmers might be more valuable now with Parker maybe going to play for the French team this summer...

IMO fewer players dropped out than expected. Only Budinger from the first list and the rest aren't going to impact the 45 pick a whole lot, except maybe Lester Hudson, who was early 2nd round.

[Marcus Bryant]

Overall impact seems not to threaten Spurs' ability to pull a quality player at #26.

[AFBlue]

Been at work all day unable to post...

One thing to refute....apparently Mbah a Moute is staying in the draft.

Also, has anyone seen/heard about Omri Casspi? If he's in this draft there's a very legitimate chance that he gets tabbed by the Spurs in the first round.

[AFBlue]

Overall impact seems not to threaten Spurs' ability to pull a quality player at #26.

Shouldn't.....Budinger and Lawson were the only two with a real shot at going before the #26 slot.

[Mr. Body]

If he's in this draft there's a very legitimate chance that he gets tabbed by the Spurs in the first round.

I vomit.

[TheProfessor]

I vomit.
The best wing prospect available at the 26th slot will likely come down to Casspi, CDR, and Walker, if the Spurs are leaning that way.

[Mr. Body]

In no way does Casspi look ready or able to play in the NBA.

[TheProfessor]

In no way does Casspi look ready or able to play in the NBA.
Which is why he'd go to the D-League for a year. But yeah, I'd rather they look elsewhere.

[ducks]

why you like the sixers not spurs

[AFBlue]

I vomit.

No need...he's out.

Looks like it's down to Rush, Walker, Chalmers, CDR, and Lee.

Although I'd have to say Rush looks like he'll be gone long before the Spurs are up.

[Mr. Body]

No need...he's out.

Looks like it's down to Rush, Walker, Chalmers, CDR, and Lee.

Although I'd have to say Rush looks like he'll be gone long before the Spurs are up.

Good. Rush looks like a Sun; Lee looks like going to the Magic.

CDR, Walker, Chalmers?

I want a wing above a guy automatically relegated to the bench and spot minutes. My choice is still Lee above all if he slips.

[Marcus Bryant]

A wing drafted at #26 might be relegated to Austin.

[Mr. Body]

A wing drafted at #26 might be relegated to Austin.

Obviously. And obviously so might Chalmers. He's not any better than the others.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

why you like the sixers not spurs

:lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Obviously. And obviously so might Chalmers. He's not any better than the others.

Not so. Jacque Vaughn is all that stands in the rook's way. For a backup job.

[timvp]

So Lawson and Budinger out? Not great news but also not horrible. Lawson pulling out is a surprise and probably really hurts any chances of landing Chalmers at 26. A PG starved team between 15 and 26 might be forced to go with Chalmers due to the lack of point guard talent in this draft. Budinger would have been a really nice pick at 45.

Still looks pretty promising. Unless disaster strikes and players like Hibbert and McGee start plummeting down the draft, the Spurs should get a pretty nice selection.

[timvp]

Timvp -- are you putting Rush at #1 on your list because you think CDR won't be around at 26 or is there a clear advantage you see in favor of Rush over CDR? Just curious....again, much appreciated....thanks, man.I think CDR has a better shot of being available at 26 than Rush. I think Rush would fit and be a rotation player right away. I'm not too sure about CDR -- although he could easily become the better pro. Rush is the better athlete so that makes him a little bit of a safer pick.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, the interesting thing is that the Spurs have been taking a look at 2s and 3s such as Donte Greene and Joe Alexander. It might just be their standard draft due diligence, but that is curious.

[Mr. Body]

I think CDR has a better shot of being available at 26 than Rush. I think Rush would fit and be a rotation player right away. I'm not too sure about CDR -- although he could easily become the better pro. Rush is the better athlete so that makes him a little bit of a safer pick.

Unless Wash, Cleve, or NJ fall in love with CDR over Batum or Greene, I'd expect him to be available if the Spurs want him.

[Mr. Body]

Well, the interesting thing is that the Spurs have been taking a look at 2s and 3s such as Donte Greene and Joe Alexander. It might just be their standard draft due diligence, but that is curious.

What do you mean, other than the rumor posted by some Wisconsin newspaper in Racine? Have Alexander or Greene truly deigned to visit San Antonio?

[K-State Spur]

Obviously. And obviously so might Chalmers. He's not any better than the others.

Chalmers is more likely to fill a role than the others (for the record, I still prefer CDR).

Defensively, he can play in the league right now. And since he is a guy who would only be relegated to automatic bench minutes, he doesn't have to be wildly successful offensively to make the rotation early on.

[timvp]

The nice thing about CDR is he might actually be able to start for the Spurs. You start him at shooting guard and he could average around 10-12 points a game as a rookie. He's shown an ability to score -- and do so by shooting a high percentage.

On the other hand, the NBA athletes might overwhelm him. It's a tough call to figure out whether he's going to be a lesser man's Rip Hamilton or if he's not quite athletic enough to make it. I definitely wouldn't be mad about the Spurs picking him at 26.

[Spur-Addict]

Well, the interesting thing is that the Spurs have been taking a look at 2s and 3s such as Donte Greene and Joe Alexander. It might just be their standard draft due diligence, but that is curious.

I don't like his game, Soft sums it up. The big east made him look super soft in the paint.

[Marcus Bryant]

OK, but he's projected to go somewhat higher than the Spurs' 1st round pick.

[Mr. Body]

I'm all set for CDR. He has a good game, is a smart player, plays both sides of the ball and has deep playoff-type experience. We can make it work.

[Marcus Bryant]

What do you mean, other than the rumor posted by some Wisconsin newspaper in Racine? Have Alexander or Greene truly deigned to visit San Antonio?

Uh... (http://www.cbs59.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=40063)

[TheProfessor]

why you like the sixers not spurs
Yeah...probably should change that :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

The nice thing about CDR is he might actually be able to start for the Spurs. You start him at shooting guard and he could average around 10-12 points a game as a rookie. He's shown an ability to score -- and do so by shooting a high percentage.

On the other hand, the NBA athletes might overwhelm him. It's a tough call to figure out whether he's going to be a lesser man's Rip Hamilton or if he's not quite athletic enough to make it. I definitely wouldn't be mad about the Spurs picking him at 26.

You'd still need to pull a swingman out of free agency.

[Mr. Body]

Uh... (http://www.cbs59.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=40063)

My first reaction is that's an error. Or a WV newspaper simply listing teams their readership may know. Technically the Spurs have been at workouts he's been in, but not private ones.

[Marcus Bryant]

Do you have the full list of private workouts the Spurs have conducted?

[tav1]

My first reaction is that's an error. Or a WV newspaper simply listing teams their readership may know. Technically the Spurs have been at workouts he's been in, but not private ones.

Do you know whom the Spurs have privately worked out?

[tav1]

General Question: do you guys (and gals) think that internationals who seek to be drafted in the 2nd round rather than the 1st have much hope of persauding teams to pass them by. In other words, Serge Ibaka would rather be drafted in the 2nd round, but does he have any leverage to prevent a team like Seatte from taking him late in the first?

[Mr. Body]

General Question: do you guys (and gals) think that internationals who seek to be drafted in the 2nd round rather than the 1st have much hope of persauding teams to pass them by. In other words, Serge Ibaka would rather be drafted in the 2nd round, but does he have any leverage to prevent a team like Seatte from taking him late in the first?

Yes. Plenty. Teams know full well what happened with Splitter.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Latest RealGM mock draft has us taking Kyle Weaver with the first pick :wtf.

[Mr. Body]

The realgm mock I think has been pretty terrible. Weaver would be good in the second, tho.

[AFBlue]

Okay, so given where the Spurs are drafting and who's in/out, here's my list...

1. Rush (no chance)
2. Batum (probably not)
3. Chalmers (may be there)
4. CDR
5. Lee

And here's what I think will happen...

Rush, Batum, Lee, and I'm going to say Chalmers will be gone.

#26 - CDR
#45 - Jawai
#57 - LR Mbah a Moute

[Mr. Body]

PT - I think that'd be pretty good.

[Marcus Bryant]

What the Spurs will likely do with their picks if they keep them all:

26. Mario Chalmers, PG, Kansas (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97882)
Sure thing point guard who fits the Spurs system. Can defend, shoot the rock, and play under big game pressure. The Spurs will go with a player who can play today. Do not underestimate the KU-Spurs connection. The Spurs don't want a knucklehead and Pop doesn't want another Beno, assuming Chalmers checks out with respect to self-discipline and motivation. Free agency isn't really that appealing for point guards this summer and is using the MLE to address a backup spot really a wise use of available resources?

45. Richard Hendrix, PF, Alabama (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97930)
Athletic rebounding big to spend next season in Austin. Even if Thomas comes back that is for the short run. Mahinmi will likely crack the rotation next season. Undoubtedly the Spurs are looking to increase their overall team athleticism, and picking up athletic bigs who can play isn't cheap, unless you catch one before he's polished. Picking up an athletic rebounding big man who can run the floor would be a very wise use of this mid-2nd round pick. DJ White (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97927) from Indiana will be a possibility if Hendrix is already taken. Hendrix has been worked out by the Spurs.

57. Mantas Kalnietis, PG/SG, Lithuania (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97878)
I think the Spurs don't leave a draft in which they have two second round picks without one being an international talent for their Draft & Stash Program. His skill set is what the Spurs look for in a perimeter player in their motion offense. If the Spurs are to take a player destined to play in Europe for the next couple of seasons, they'd prefer that he be a 2nd round pick and not subject to the 1st round rookie contract scale.

[yavozerb]

Chalmers will be already taken at #26. Look for C.Lee or CDR to be the #26 pick. #45 will be someone who can contribute at austin such as Moute or Hardin. I agree that #57 will be an international player who will be left overseas.

[Marcus Bryant]

Chalmers will be already taken at #26. Look for C.Lee or CDR to be the #26 pick. #45 will be someone who can contribute at austin such as Moute or Hardin. I agree that #57 will be an international player who will be left overseas.

I'm not sure there will be the wealth of swingmen which everyone anticipates at #26. Chalmers doesn't have star potential so it's not hard to see him falling to the Spurs.

[Marcus Bryant]

If Chalmers was not available, then I could see them taking JJ Hickson (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97921) at 26 and then using 45 on a point guard like George Hill (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98483) or a combo guard like Jamont Gordon (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97931).

Point guard and power forward are positions for which the Spurs can find some suitable young talent in this draft, and are ones for which the free agent selection will be slim in free agency this summer.

I think the Spurs will use free agency to find the replacement for Finley. None of the swingman talent available in the low 1st round or mid-2nd round is ready to start in the NBA next season.

[Silverheart80]

Timvp -- thanks for the response and insight. Much appreciated.

Anyone heard anything yay or nay re: Sonny Weems in the last week? I just checked the thread on him and no recent comments there.

I'm still really intrigued by his speed and overall athleticism at the 45 pick, assuming we keep it. Would love to see Chip Engelland work with him on his shooting confidence and roll the dice on him.

I'd say:

26 -- CDR
45 -- Weems
57 -- I need to think about this a little bit more....