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SA210
01-03-2008, 12:19 AM
Wednesday, January 2nd, 2008
Who Do We Vote For This Time Around?
A Letter from Michael Moore



Friends,

A new year has begun. And before we've had a chance to break our New Year's resolutions, we find ourselves with a little more than 24 hours before the good people of Iowa tell us whom they would like to replace the man who now occupies three countries and a white house.

Twice before, we have begun the process to stop this man, and twice we have failed. Eight years of our lives as Americans will have been lost, the world left in upheaval against us... and yet now, today, we hope against hope that our moment has finally arrived, that the amazingly powerful force of the Republican Party will somehow be halted. But we know that the Democrats are experts at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and if there's a way to blow this election, they will find it and do it with gusto.

Do you feel the same as me? That the Democratic front-runners are a less-than-stellar group of candidates, and that none of them are the "slam dunk" we wish they were? Of course, there are wonderful things about each of them. Any one of them would be infinitely better than what we have now. Personally, Congressman Kucinich, more than any other candidate, shares the same positions that I have on the issues (although the UFO that picked ME up would only take me as far as Kalamazoo). But let's not waste time talking about Dennis. Even he is resigned to losing, with statements like the one he made yesterday to his supporters in Iowa to throw their support to Senator Obama as their "second choice."

So, it's Hillary, Obama, Edwards -- now what do we do?

Two months ago, Rolling Stone magazine asked me to do a cover story where I would ask the hard questions that no one was asking in one-on-one interviews with Senators Clinton, Obama and Edwards. "The Top Democrats Face Off with Michael Moore." The deal was that all three candidates had to agree to let me interview them or there was no story. Obama and Edwards agreed. Mrs. Clinton said no, and the cover story was thus killed.

Why would the love of my life, Hillary Clinton, not sit down to talk with me? What was she afraid of?

Those of you who are longtime readers of mine may remember that 11 years ago I wrote a chapter (in my first book) entitled, "My Forbidden Love for Hillary." I was fed up with the treatment she was getting, most of it boringly sexist, and I thought somebody should stand up for her. I later met her and she thanked me for referring to her as "one hot s***kicking feminist babe." I supported and contributed to her run for the U.S. Senate. I think she is a decent and smart person who loves this country, cares deeply about kids, and has put up with more crap than anyone I know of (other than me) from the Crazy Right. Her inauguration would be a thrilling sight, ending 218 years of white male rule in a country where 51% of its citizens are female and 64% are either female or people of color.

And yet, I am sad to say, nothing has disappointed me more than the disastrous, premeditated vote by Senator Hillary Clinton to send us to war in Iraq. I'm not only talking about her first vote that gave Mr. Bush his "authorization" to invade -- I'm talking about every single OTHER vote she then cast for the next four years, backing and funding Bush's illegal war, and doing so with verve. She never met a request from the White House for war authorization that she didn't like. Unlike the Kerrys and the Bidens who initially voted for authorization but later came to realize the folly of their decision, Mrs. Clinton continued to cast numerous votes for the war until last March -- four long years of pro-war votes, even after 70% of the American public had turned against the war. She has steadfastly refused to say that she was wrong about any of this, and she will not apologize for her culpability in America's worst-ever foreign policy disaster. All she can bring herself to say is that she was "misled" by "faulty intelligence."

Let's assume that's true. Do you want a President who is so easily misled? I wasn't "misled," and millions of others who took to the streets in February of 2003 weren't "misled" either. It was simply amazing that we knew the war was wrong when none of us had been briefed by the CIA, none of us were national security experts, and none of us had gone on a weapons inspection tour of Iraq. And yet... we knew we were being lied to! Let me ask those of you reading this letter: Were YOU "misled" -- or did you figure it out sometime between October of 2002 and March of 2007 that George W. Bush was up to something rotten? Twenty-three other senators were smart enough to figure it out and vote against the war from the get-go. Why wasn't Senator Clinton?

I have a theory: Hillary knows the sexist country we still live in and that one of the reasons the public, in the past, would never consider a woman as president is because she would also be commander in chief. The majority of Americans were concerned that a woman would not be as likely to go to war as a man (horror of horrors!). So, in order to placate that mindset, perhaps she believed she had to be as "tough" as a man, she had to be willing to push The Button if necessary, and give the generals whatever they wanted. If this is, in fact, what has motivated her pro-war votes, then this would truly make her a scary first-term president. If the U.S. is faced with some unforeseen threat in her first years, she knows that in order to get re-elected she'd better be ready to go all Maggie Thatcher on whoever sneezes in our direction. Do we want to risk this, hoping the world makes it in one piece to her second term?

I have not even touched on her other numerous -- and horrendous -- votes in the Senate, especially those that have made the middle class suffer even more (she voted for Bush's first bankruptcy bill, and she is now the leading recipient of payoff money -- I mean campaign contributions -- from the health care industry). I know a lot of you want to see her elected, and there is a very good chance that will happen. There will be plenty of time to vote for her in the general election if all the pollsters are correct. But in the primaries and caucuses, isn't this the time to vote for the person who most reflects the values and politics you hold dear? Can you, in good conscience, vote for someone who so energetically voted over and over and over again for the war in Iraq? Please give this serious consideration.

Now, on to the two candidates who did agree to do the interview with me...

Barack Obama is a good and inspiring man. What a breath of fresh air! There's no doubting his sincerity or his commitment to trying to straighten things out in this country. But who is he? I mean, other than a guy who gives a great speech? How much do any of us really know about him? I know he was against the war. How do I know that? He gave a speech before the war started. But since he joined the senate, he has voted for the funds for the war, while at the same time saying we should get out. He says he's for the little guy, but then he votes for a corporate-backed bill to make it harder for the little guy to file a class action suit when his kid swallows lead paint from a Chinese-made toy. In fact, Obama doesn't think Wall Street is a bad place. He wants the insurance companies to help us develop a new health care plan -- the same companies who have created the mess in the first place. He's such a feel-good kinda guy, I get the sense that, if elected, the Republicans will eat him for breakfast. He won't even have time to make a good speech about it.

But this may be a bit harsh. Senator Obama has a big heart, and that heart is in the right place. Is he electable? Will more than 50% of America vote for him? We'd like to believe they would. We'd like to believe America has changed, wouldn't we? Obama lets us feel better about ourselves -- and as we look out the window at the guy snowplowing his driveway across the street, we want to believe he's changed, too. But are we dreaming?

And then there's John Edwards.

It's hard to get past the hair, isn't it? But once you do -- and recently I have chosen to try -- you find a man who is out to take on the wealthy and powerful who have made life so miserable for so many. A candidate who says things like this: "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy." Whoa. We haven't heard anyone talk like that in a while, at least not anyone who is near the top of the polls. I suspect this is why Edwards is doing so well in Iowa, even though he has nowhere near the stash of cash the other two have. He won't take the big checks from the corporate PACs, and he is alone among the top three candidates in agreeing to limit his spending and be publicly funded. He has said, point-blank, that he's going after the drug companies and the oil companies and anyone else who is messing with the American worker. The media clearly find him to be a threat, probably because he will go after their monopolistic power, too. This is Roosevelt/Truman kind of talk. That's why it's resonating with people in Iowa, even though he doesn't get the attention Obama and Hillary get -- and that lack of coverage may cost him the first place spot tomorrow night. After all, he is one of those white guys who's been running things for far too long.

And he voted for the war. But unlike Senator Clinton, he has stated quite forcefully that he was wrong. And he has remorse. Should he be forgiven? Did he learn his lesson? Like Hillary and Obama, he refused to promise in a September debate that there will be no U.S. troops in Iraq by the end of his first term in 2013. But this week in Iowa, he changed his mind. He went further than Clinton and Obama and said he'd have all the troops home in less than a year.

Edwards is the only one of the three front-runners who has a universal health care plan that will lead to the single-payer kind all other civilized countries have. His plan doesn't go as fast as I would like, but he is the only one who has correctly pointed out that the health insurance companies are the enemy and should not have a seat at the table.

I am not endorsing anyone at this point. This is simply how I feel in the first week of the process to replace George W. Bush. For months I've been wanting to ask the question, "Where are you, Al Gore?" You can only polish that Oscar for so long. And the Nobel was decided by Scandinavians! I don't blame you for not wanting to enter the viper pit again after you already won. But getting us to change out our incandescent light bulbs for some irritating fluorescent ones isn't going to save the world. All it's going to do is make us more agitated and jumpy and feeling like once we get home we haven't really left the office.

On second thought, would you even be willing to utter the words, "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy?" 'Cause the candidate who understands that, and who sees it as the root of all evil -- including the root of global warming -- is the President who may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace.

Yours,

Michael Moore (not an Iowa voter, but appreciative of any state that has a town named after a sofa)
[email protected] ([email protected])
MichaelMoore.com (http://www.michaelmoore.com/)


:clap

SouthernFried
01-03-2008, 01:04 AM
Is this an Onion piece?

Funny stuff.

Ignignokt
01-03-2008, 01:24 AM
michael moore needs to stop stealing food from the hobos.

smeagol
01-03-2008, 08:12 AM
Funny how Moore criticizes and attacks the economic system that has allowed him to become a multi-millionaire.

He should give those monies to the poor, i.e., put the money where his mouth is.

MannyIsGod
01-03-2008, 08:15 AM
Funny how Moore criticizes and attacks the economic system that has allowed him to become a multi-millionaire.

He should give those monies to the poor, i.e., put the money where his mouth is.I'm not a huge Mooore fan, but I'm almost positive he gives incredibly large sums to charity.

SA210
01-03-2008, 08:19 AM
He should give those monies to the poor, i.e., put the money where his mouth is.
:wtf

smeagol
01-03-2008, 08:20 AM
I'm not a huge Mooore fan, but I'm almost positive he gives incredibly large sums to charity.
So does Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

I simply detest the extreme leftists that blast capitalism, but they themselves make tons of millions of $$$ because of capitalism.

smeagol
01-03-2008, 08:20 AM
:wtf

What is it you missed about my statement?

johngateswhiteley
01-03-2008, 08:23 AM
So does Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

I simply detest the extreme leftists that blast capitalism, but they themselves make tons of millions of $$$ because of capitalism.

:tu

Extra Stout
01-03-2008, 09:56 AM
Hi, I'm Michael Moore. I am a leftist and not at all a bigot. I support wimminanminordees.

That said, don't vote for Hillary Clinton, because as a woman, she'll probably overcompensate and nuke somebody because she doesn't want to appear too feminine. That, or because it's her time of the month.

And don't vote for Barack Obama either. He's a fine young Negro, and he speaks so well, but you know how naive those colored boys can be. The Republicans would just eat him alive. Seems like they're already half made him into a minstrel!

So the only choice for enlightened progressives like me is John Edwards! A chicken in every pot! He's the closest thing to Huey Long on the ballot.

Spurminator
01-03-2008, 10:07 AM
The last thing any candidate wants is an endorsement from Michael Moore. If he were smart, he'd go on a blitz of talk shows endorsing his least favorite candidate.

SA210
01-03-2008, 10:35 AM
What is it you missed about my statement?
Where you came up with that conclusion.

smeagol
01-03-2008, 10:38 AM
Where you came up with that conclusion.

A true socialist would not be a multi-millionaire.

SA210
01-03-2008, 10:49 AM
A true socialist would not be a multi-millionaire.
I see, you are of the opinion that you cannot speak for the poor if you yourself are rich. I get it. John F. Kennedy, Roosevelt and Truman should have never spoken up because they were rich too. So then who speaks up for them? Cuz you know, if the poor speak, you wouldn't listen to them.

Ignignokt
01-03-2008, 10:50 AM
I see, you are of the opinion that you cannot speak for the poor if you yourself are rich. I get it. John F. Kennedy, Roosevelt and Truman should have never spoken up because they were rich too. So then who speaks up for them? Cuz you know, if the poor speak, you wouldn't listen to them.


What about the hobos?

George Gervin's Afro
01-03-2008, 10:56 AM
I see, you are of the opinion that you cannot speak for the poor if you yourself are rich. I get it. John F. Kennedy, Roosevelt and Truman should have never spoken up because they were rich too. So then who speaks up for them? Cuz you know, if the poor speak, you wouldn't listen to them.


You haven't heard? You can no longer talk about issues of the poor unless you are poor yourself. You can't critcize a system you think is unfair because you benefit from it.. :rolleyes

Mr. Peabody
01-03-2008, 11:02 AM
A true socialist would not be a multi-millionaire.

A true socialist would not win the nomination of a major party. I do think Edwards has done more to highlight the problems of poverty than any other candidate and he's been consistent in that message throughout his political life.

Mr. Peabody
01-03-2008, 11:05 AM
You haven't heard? You can no longer talk about issues of the poor unless you are poor yourself. You can't critcize a system you think is unfair because you benefit from it.. :rolleyes

I guess we have to wait for one of the poor presidential candidates to speak out on poverty. Oh, wait a minute...

smeagol
01-03-2008, 11:09 AM
I see, you are of the opinion that you cannot speak for the poor if you yourself are rich. I get it. John F. Kennedy, Roosevelt and Truman should have never spoken up because they were rich too. So then who speaks up for them? Cuz you know, if the poor speak, you wouldn't listen to them.


So according to you, only socialists speak for the poor?

Ok . . .

George Gervin's Afro
01-03-2008, 11:10 AM
Well I guess I can never speak of conserving gas because I drive a car that uses it..damn it!

smeagol
01-03-2008, 11:11 AM
A true socialist would not win the nomination of a major party. I do think Edwards has done more to highlight the problems of poverty than any other candidate and he's been consistent in that message throughout his political life.

Edwards is not a true socialist.

I agree with you.

George Gervin's Afro
01-03-2008, 11:11 AM
A true socialist would not win the nomination of a major party. I do think Edwards has done more to highlight the problems of poverty than any other candidate and he's been consistent in that message throughout his political life.


he lives in a really big house so he cannot address the plight of the poor..

smeagol
01-03-2008, 11:14 AM
Well I guess I can never speak of conserving gas because I drive a car that uses it..damn it!
If you drive an SUV, you probably can't.

It would be hyprocritical, wouldn't it?

smeagol
01-03-2008, 11:20 AM
You haven't heard? You can no longer talk about issues of the poor unless you are poor yourself. You can't critcize a system you think is unfair because you benefit from it.. :rolleyes

That is exactly what I said :rolleyes

SA210
01-03-2008, 11:26 AM
Edwards is not a true socialist.

I agree with you.
Tha fact of the matter is, that if a "true" socialist as you put it spoke up for the poor, you wouldn't care.

George Gervin's Afro
01-03-2008, 11:27 AM
If you drive an SUV, you probably can't.

It would be hyprocritical, wouldn't it?


Well if I were to subscribe to your belief then a family of six who drives a minivan or SUV would be eliminated from ever talking about conserving gas. So no it wouldn't. I also find this argument that Gore is a hypocrite because he takes private jets when he travels is ridiculous. The DUDE is a former VP and needs extra tight security especially with all of the Yoni's and xray's of the world harrasing him on a plane. I would also venture to guess that he simply can't jump on a bike and ride down mainstreet.. I guess if he had 6 secret service agents riding along with him.. this idea that you can't support something because you fly in private jets or that you are rich is prepeosterous.. you have fallen into the right wing talk radio brainwashing..

smeagol
01-03-2008, 11:29 AM
Tha fact of the matter is, that if a "true" socialist as you put it spoke up for the poor, you wouldn't care.

Th fact is that you are wrong.

SouthernFried
01-03-2008, 12:08 PM
Vote for me poor people...I will give you cash and a lotta other stuff too.

"oh man, he/she really cares!!"

Not hard to get poor people to vote for you.

2centsworth
01-03-2008, 12:21 PM
no economic system solves the problem of poverty more than capitalism. Look at what is happening in China. Jobs cure poverty.

SA210
01-03-2008, 12:24 PM
And John Edwards wants to create jobs and not ship them overseas.

smeagol
01-03-2008, 12:27 PM
no economic system solves the problem of poverty more than capitalism. Look at what is happening in China. Jobs cure poverty.

Agreed

101A
01-03-2008, 12:27 PM
And John Edwards wants to create jobs and not ship them overseas.If John Edwards wants to create jobs, he ought to use his money to start a company and employ people.

2centsworth
01-03-2008, 12:29 PM
And John Edwards wants to create jobs and not ship them overseas.
my candidate wants to have the best education system with free lunch for poor kids. Then create huge apartment complexs for single mothers that provides daycare.

smeagol
01-03-2008, 12:54 PM
Well if I were to subscribe to your belief then a family of six who drives a minivan or SUV would be eliminated from ever talking about conserving gas.

No hybrid minivans or SUVs? If you are really committed to conserving gas, you probably don't buy an SUV, regardless of how many kids you have.



I also find this argument that Gore is a hypocrite because he takes private jets when he travels is ridiculous.


You also find ridiculous that Edward's mansion uses x times more gas that the regular American household?


The DUDE is a former VP and needs extra tight security especially with all of the Yoni's and xray's of the world harrasing him on a plane.

Fuck him.

Yoni and xray don't fly First class.



this idea that you can't support something because you fly in private jets or that you are rich is prepeosterous..

I never said you can't support an idea because you are rich.



you have fallen into the right wing talk radio brainwashing..

:lol :lol :lol

Not really.

Extra Stout
01-03-2008, 01:09 PM
You also find ridiculous that Edward's mansion uses x times more gas that the regular American household?
No. Such a manner of living is necessary to generate the cult of personality which will be required to obtain proletariat support for the measures pursuant to the aggravation of the class struggle.

Mr. Peabody
01-03-2008, 01:25 PM
I like Edwards, but I thought this article was funny -



The Hardest Working Man in Politics

MOUNT PLEASANT, Iowa—There's a classic stunt James Brown used to pull at the end of his shows. After playing his last song, handlers would come out, throw a shawl over his shoulders, and hustle him off stage, as if to say, Come on James, the show's over. But just as he reached the edge of the stage, he would toss off the blanket, run back out and start dancing again. The crowd devoured it.

John Edwards has perfected a political version of the James Brown. At the end of an event in Fairfield, Iowa, Edwards told the audience, "They told me not to take questions"—"they" apparently being his killjoy campaign staff—"but I'm gonna do it anyway." Grateful applause ensues. Same thing at the end of a Q&A session here in Mount Pleasant. An aide cut in, "Senator—" "We have time for one more," Edwards cheerfully interrupted. He even tried it during impromptu availability aboard the press bus, while delivering coffee to baggy-eyed reporters. "It's time to go," said an aide, to which Edwards responded, "No, let's do this now."

It's one of the oldest tricks around, but somehow it never fails to delight. And with zero hour approaching, it never hurts to throw off the cape and dance for one more minute.

George Gervin's Afro
01-03-2008, 01:30 PM
No hybrid minivans or SUVs? If you are really committed to conserving gas, you probably don't buy an SUV, regardless of how many kids you have.





You also find ridiculous that Edward's mansion uses x times more gas that the regular American household?



Fuck him.

Yoni and xray don't fly First class.




I never said you can't support an idea because you are rich.




:lol :lol :lol

Not really.

So how does a family of six get around without a hydrid minivan or SUV?
I'd like an answer to this because it's easy to say they shouldn't drive them so give us the alternative if there are no hybrids available or if buying one is cost prohibitive.
I guess they could give up owning a car but then the kids would have to ride the school bus .. oh dear those busses use alot of gas... i guess they just walk everywhere.. :rolleyes


I still don't see the your point in Edwards living in a big house. usually bigger homes have larger utility bills. do they have large homes in argentina? I don't get how this makes him a hypocrite

SA210
01-03-2008, 01:35 PM
So how does a family of six get around without a hydrid minivan or SUV?
I'd like an answer to this because it's easy to say they shouldn't drive them so give us the alternative if there are no hybrids available or if buying one is cost prohibitive.


I still don't see the your point in Edwards living in a big house. usually bigger homes have larger utility bills. do they have large homes in argentina? I don't get how this makes him a hypocrite
It makes him a hypocrite because that's who they fear most has the best chance to make the boldest change that is needed and the best chance of beating all republicans.

01Snake
01-03-2008, 03:01 PM
I love to run over poor people in my SUV. Although I'm getting poor gas mileage, I'm doing my part in helping eliminate poverty.

xrayzebra
01-03-2008, 04:18 PM
Tha fact of the matter is, that if a "true" socialist as you put it spoke up for the poor, you wouldn't care.


We have much more to worry about that they so called
"poor". Being poor in most cases is a transitional state
of life anyhow. What I am telling you is that in most
cases people do not stay poor they move on up the
earning ladder.

And SA210 don't start on the poor homeless junk. Most
of those folks have exactly what they want. In the
past they were called bums. Now the PC term is
homeless.

George Gervin's Afro
01-03-2008, 04:34 PM
We have much more to worry about that they so called
"poor". Being poor in most cases is a transitional state
of life anyhow. What I am telling you is that in most
cases people do not stay poor they move on up the
earning ladder.

And SA210 don't start on the poor homeless junk. Most
of those folks have exactly what they want. In the
past they were called bums. Now the PC term is
homeless.


except for the menatlly ill people who are homeless.. right?

xrayzebra
01-03-2008, 04:36 PM
except for the menatlly ill people who are homeless.. right?

Go talk to your Liberal Federal courts about that problem.
They are the ones that create it. Of course you would know
that if you did more than just post here.

George Gervin's Afro
01-03-2008, 04:53 PM
Go talk to your Liberal Federal courts about that problem.
They are the ones that create it. Of course you would know
that if you did more than just post here.

what do the federal courts have to do with the mentally ill homeless people?

Extra Stout
01-03-2008, 05:00 PM
what do the federal courts have to do with the mentally ill homeless people?
That's who libruls appoint to the bench.

timvp
01-03-2008, 05:41 PM
Vote for John Edwards!As if being a PI lawyer wasn't bad enough.

xrayzebra
01-03-2008, 05:52 PM
what do the federal courts have to do with the mentally ill homeless people?

The liberal judges say you cant keep them in institutions.
They have the right to roam the streets.

monosylab1k
01-03-2008, 05:55 PM
He should give those monies to the poor, i.e., put the money where his mouth is.
on a burrito?

01Snake
01-03-2008, 06:03 PM
As if being a PI lawyer wasn't bad enough.

:clap

FromWayDowntown
01-03-2008, 06:41 PM
The liberal judges say you cant keep them in institutions.
They have the right to roam the streets.

This, of course, explains why all mental institutions in this country have been closed.

I'd be really interested in seeing an opinion or order from a federal court holding that it's somehow unconstitutional to institutionalize a person who is clearly mentally-ill.

Extra Stout
01-03-2008, 07:12 PM
i can't believe someone held up China as a model for quashing poverty

crofl

didn't have my sarcasm detector charged up though
China has brought nearly half a billion people out of poverty in the last quarter-century.

rofl rofl victoria chodeblossom

T Park
01-03-2008, 08:24 PM
And John Edwards wants to create jobs and not ship them overseas.



How exactly?

By growing the govt more and giving BS jobs?

Theres 4.0 percent unemployment.

I see whos available to work who doesn't work everyday, 90% DONT WANT TO. They are happy getting their welfare check. Hell they make more on that than they would working.

T Park
01-03-2008, 08:25 PM
As if being a PI lawyer wasn't bad enough.

Hes a typical lawyer.

See right through, totally phoney.

I can't stand John Edwards.

smeagol
01-04-2008, 07:37 AM
It makes him a hypocrite because that's who they fear most has the best chance to make the boldest change that is needed and the best chance of beating all republicans.

Funny how me critizicing one aspect of some of the Democrat candidates immidiately makes me a Republican, a neocon or a wing nut :rolleyes

George Gervin's Afro
01-04-2008, 08:24 AM
The liberal judges say you cant keep them in institutions.
They have the right to roam the streets.


but then would cost money. i assume people like yourself have been supporting the gutting social programs like these.. are you for or against social programs?

George Gervin's Afro
01-04-2008, 08:26 AM
Hes a typical lawyer.

See right through, totally phoney.

I can't stand John Edwards.


unless you are broadsided by another motorist and they and their insurance company won't cover your medical expenses.. I would assume then you would support a PI lawyer? to clarify my question..do you hate all PI lawyers or just the democrat politicians who are PI lawyers? are they all phoneys? or just some of them? ... you folks get away with these broad, baseless generalizations of people on the left. it's intellectually lazy.. and your calling someone else a phony? :rolleyes

xrayzebra
01-04-2008, 11:14 AM
but then would cost money. i assume people like yourself have been supporting the gutting social programs like these.. are you for or against social programs?

You are an absolute, no doubt about it, idiot. You make
statements that make no sense whatsoever.

xrayzebra
01-04-2008, 11:18 AM
It makes him a hypocrite because that's who they fear most has the best chance to make the boldest change that is needed and the best chance of beating all republicans.

SA210 what are these bold changes that Edwards is going
to make that draw you to him? I am curious.

Maybe because he is supported so strongly by the Trial
lawyers. I wonder why.

101A
01-04-2008, 11:26 AM
unless you are broadsided by another motorist and they and their insurance company won't cover your medical expenses.. I would assume then you would support a PI lawyer? to clarify my question..do you hate all PI lawyers or just the democrat politicians who are PI lawyers? are they all phoneys? or just some of them? ... you folks get away with these broad, baseless generalizations of people on the left. it's intellectually lazy.. and your calling someone else a phony? :rolleyesBetween my wife and I, over the past 20 years, we have been in 4 accidents in which the other motorist was at fault. One of those had some medical expenses. In each we were fairly compensated, in less that two weeks by each insurance company. Also in each, we were contacted by PI lawyers promising to get us more (usually medical expenses when none were necessary). More than we needed, or were due - and they would do this for a contingency fee (30%). Yes, I hate all PI lawyers.

George Gervin's Afro
01-04-2008, 01:25 PM
Between my wife and I, over the past 20 years, we have been in 4 accidents in which the other motorist was at fault. One of those had some medical expenses. In each we were fairly compensated, in less that two weeks by each insurance company. Also in each, we were contacted by PI lawyers promising to get us more (usually medical expenses when none were necessary). More than we needed, or were due - and they would do this for a contingency fee (30%). Yes, I hate all PI lawyers.


you hate them until you need one (although i hope you and your family never have to use one)..

can we at least acknowledge that there might be a handful of times, due to extreme negligence, that someone might need representation from a PI?

101A
01-04-2008, 02:00 PM
you hate them until you need one (although i hope you and your family never have to use one)..

can we at least acknowledge that there might be a handful of times, due to extreme negligence, that someone might need representation from a PI?Yes, and they have served and continue to serve a vital role in the economy. HOWEVER, you need only look at your Yellow Pages to see that there are too many of them, and that the net result of them is probably not positive.

George Gervin's Afro
01-04-2008, 02:21 PM
Yes, and they have served and continue to serve a vital role in the economy. HOWEVER, you need only look at your Yellow Pages to see that there are too many of them, and that the net result of them is probably not positive.


Now I agree with you 100%.. there are to many of them..

clambake
01-04-2008, 02:34 PM
they are needed for corporate willful negligence. the good ones don't bother with fender benders.