OT - Shaq photos in high school

[arenateam]

Best high school basketball player ever? ""At 250 pounds, O'Neal was a formidable center for his high school team. During his junior year Cole H.S. recorded only one loss for the season as they went 32-1. The following year the team was undefeated, at 36-0. O'Neal averaged 32 points per game, 22 rebounds, and 8 blocked shots for his last two years of high school. By high school graduation in 1989 O'Neal was fully grown. He stood 7-feet-1-inch tall, wore a size 22 shoe.""

Link (http://www.prepticket.com/slideshow/index.php?new=0&albumid=823292:Album:40942)

[PM5K]

If only he'd kept himself in that kind of shape...

[Re-Animator]

To bad he will always be known as....................















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[dawn]

Used to play summer ball at Ft. Sam in school. He would hang with some of my boys and I would be there with all of them. I always thought he was a total dork and could be a major A-hole on most days. He was a tall, skinny guy. I have several photo albums FULL of news paper clippings from High School and funny thing is for all of his Junior year and most of his senior year, he was so not the focus of basketball in San Antonio.

[slacker77]

A friend of mine has a pic of his sister posing with shaq at windsor park mall(back when it was THE MALL to go to). The best part is that he is wearing a David Robinson jersey. I gonna see if can get that pic and post it.

[FromWayDowntown]

I have several photo albums FULL of news paper clippings from High School and funny thing is for all of his Junior year and most of his senior year, he was so not the focus of basketball in San Antonio.

That's true -- at that time (late 80's) San Antonio had several really good young basketball players around. There were the John Jay guys (including Calvin Thomas and Bo Outlaw), the East Central guys (led by Tony Terrell and Robert Keno) and a handful of other players here and there (Artie Griffin at Lee, Ski Jones at Marshall). Shaq was a part of that, but I think because he played in 2A and not in 5A, he probably was more of an after-thought in some people's minds. Obviously, not the way it should have been, but I think that might be the reason he wasn't the center of the SA hoops world at that point.

San Antonio was able, in the summer of '89, to put together a junior olympics team that beat a similar team from Bloomington, Indiana. The Bloomington team included Calbert Cheaney and Lawrence Funderburke, among others.

[=RTM=]

=Dawn!
are you the one from KTSA, do you have a NASCAR show on Saturdays?=

[dawn]

Yes. And I went to East Central and was very good friends with all those guys. They are the ones I used to go to Ft. Sam with. We would play against Ski, Bo and Artie. Also was very close with Reggie Clark from Judson. That is how I gre up. Playing ball and talking trash with those guys. Great times!!!

[Steve Perry]

Wow this is like when I got to see Bon Scott for $4.50 general admission back in 1978 in Chicago, a night I will never forget. Dawn is one lucky Ho....

[samikeyp]

That's true -- at that time (late 80's) San Antonio had several really good young basketball players around. There were the John Jay guys (including Calvin Thomas and Bo Outlaw), the East Central guys (led by Tony Terrell and Robert Keno) and a handful of other players here and there (Artie Griffin at Lee, Ski Jones at Marshall). Shaq was a part of that, but I think because he played in 2A and not in 5A, he probably was more of an after-thought in some people's minds. Obviously, not the way it should have been, but I think that might be the reason he wasn't the center of the SA hoops world at that point.

San Antonio was able, in the summer of '89, to put together a junior olympics team that beat a similar team from Bloomington, Indiana. The Bloomington team included Calbert Cheaney and Lawrence Funderburke, among others.

Good times. The Cash Twins, Mike McKenzie and Joey Garza at Holmes, Gary Durbon at South San (Now the A.D. there) Mike Laderer at Taft. There were some great games I saw in the summer of 87 at Taft High with a lot of the Northside guys. Those East Central guys were crazy good. They used to go to the coast and play during Spring Break and challenge people. They would play in their jeans and still win.

Lot of good girls players too. Clarissa Davis at Jay, The King sisters at Marshall, Jennifer Lennon and Lisa Acosta at Taft, , the Kobergs at Lee...Clark and Churchill always had good teams too

[slayermin]

I think Cole was 3A.

I remember that Jay team with Outlaw. They had a tall frontline, from what I recall.

I knew the center for Somerset Highschool and he played against Shaq. He told me it wasn't fair because Shaq could run like a deer in highschool.

[Soul_Patch]

I used to go to east central when we went undefeated all the way through the state championship.

Im amazed some of those guys didnt do anything even in college ball...Stanley Bonewitz was an amazing shooter, that just flopped at Tech...i remember when he broke the world record for most free throws made in 5 minutes or something like that...dude was really good.

[Soul_Patch]

Actually some of those old school East Central player still get together to run a game at Oak Crest middle school. Its been a while since i went out to play, but we used to pay 2 bucks a person to the school to rent out their gym for a few hours twice a week.

Im not sure if they still do that or not, but used to be lots of fun...this was about a year ago.

[2centsworth]

That's true -- at that time (late 80's) San Antonio had several really good young basketball players around. There were the John Jay guys (including Calvin Thomas and Bo Outlaw), the East Central guys (led by Tony Terrell and Robert Keno) and a handful of other players here and there (Artie Griffin at Lee, Ski Jones at Marshall). Shaq was a part of that, but I think because he played in 2A and not in 5A, he probably was more of an after-thought in some people's minds. Obviously, not the way it should have been, but I think that might be the reason he wasn't the center of the SA hoops world at that point.

San Antonio was able, in the summer of '89, to put together a junior olympics team that beat a similar team from Bloomington, Indiana. The Bloomington team included Calbert Cheaney and Lawrence Funderburke, among others.
Good ole days. Have to disagree with you. Snaq was never an after thought. He was the most highly recruited of them all. What's funny is the guy couldn't play a lick his first two years in highschool. I remember one of snaq's first games. It was a summer league game at Lee. Damn he was clumsy.

btw, that bloominton team had Damon Bailey if my memory serves me right. Also, the NY team was suppossed to be pretty good that year too, but I think Kenny Anderson didn't make the trip.

That SA all-star team was probably the best ever.

btw, have you noticed the Tony Terrell basketball camp signs around town?

[dawn]

Tony not only holds camps and trains, but he is a coach here in town. He was one of my best friends in and outside of school. Injuries killed his career. But Tony I still think was one of the best point guards and pure shooters around. I have never seen a guy so young with such court awareness.

Little Stanley tore his knee up at Tech and I think that did him in also. A lot of the EC Boys are coaches around town and the State.

here is a link to Tony's website http://terrellsports.com/

SoulPatch you were there at the same time as my younger sister.

[Spurminator]

A friend of mine has a pic of his sister posing with shaq at windsor park mall(back when it was THE MALL to go to). The best part is that he is wearing a David Robinson jersey. I gonna see if can get that pic and post it.

Are you SERIOUS??

Do you realize the Internet Trash Talk Gold you've been sitting on for all of these years??? This is, like, The Holy Grail for Laker Haters!

Oh, what we could have done with this photo between 2000 and 2004...

[Soul_Patch]

Tony not only holds camps and trains, but he is a coach here in town. He was one of my best friends in and outside of school. Injuries killed his career. But Tony I still think was one of the best point guards and pure shooters around. I have never seen a guy so young with such court awareness.

Little Stanley tore his knee up at Tech and I think that did him in also. A lot of the EC Boys are coaches around town and the State.

here is a link to Tony's website http://terrellsports.com/

SoulPatch you were there at the same time as my younger sister.


Cool to know, im really bad with names so i dont remember a lot of the people on that team other than stan, just because was the coaches son, and i was loosely associated with him and a few of his friends.

i just know i really expected him to make some big waves in college and possibly the NBA, and then nothing came of it.

[implacable44]

Cool to know, im really bad with names so i dont remember a lot of the people on that team other than stan, just because was the coaches son, and i was loosely associated with him and a few of his friends.

i just know i really expected him to make some big waves in college and possibly the NBA, and then nothing came of it.


The good ole days - Ft. Sam was nice but everyone used to go play at Randolph back in the day and then to Ladybird .... and then later in the afternoon ICW.

That AAU team was nice - Shaq, Ski, Outlaw, Robert Keno -- they had Vince Embry and Artie both they didnt get to play much. They had those Jay boys playing guard for defensive purposes and they didnt shoot. Lord knows they had enough scorers. I remember that summer because Montross was supposed to be there and so was Kenny Anderson -- neither of them showed up. Much debate over who was the #1 player in the country -- Kenny or Shaq. New York had a nice team with Conrad Mcrae -- Indiana was solid with Greg and Pat Graham, Pat Knight, Funderburke and of course Calbert Chaney who punched it on Shaq's head.

San Antonio had another nice team too - with Chad Collins and Sean Swisher heading that one up. They should have had Reggie Clark and Henry from Lanier. Artie should have dropped to this team and they might have made it to the finals to play Shaq. Hank was a bad dude - 6'4" and the best Latino I have seen play ball to date.

Man from 87 through about 96 -- San Antonio had some damn good players. Bo, Calvin and Kenny from Jay; Tony Terrell, Richard Jones, Robert Keno, Vanlandingham from EC, Sean Swisher, Dwight Govan , Lil John, Matt and CLifton, Clark had Clark Haugh and the Cash twins ... Sam Houston had Sindey Kimble; Judson had Reggie Clark, Damon Johnson, Deion Phelps, Fred Battles, Randy Phoenix; Cole had Shaq; Ski Jones was there - -Chris Doyal both from Marshall - JErald Reiner and Boyd from MAdison. Hank from Lanier - Willie Heights from Fox Tech...Bonewitz - Gee -- some damn good ball in San Antonio.

I used to love going up to Randolph and playing with those guys man - We also used to play at the Mormon Church in Windcrest with Sean - Reggie - Dwight - Keno ... Terrell - Marcus Peoples from Clark and an older cat - Lawrence Frazier from Churchill fame.

Randolph and The church -- and to end the day -- Ladybird-- ICW or the dunk courts at Live Oak elementary. RObert Keno - you know you should have never gone up there-- 6'3 ase...

[implacable44]

oh and andre pitts from seguin...

[samikeyp]

Man from 87 through about 96 -- San Antonio had some damn good players. Bo, Calvin and Kenny from Jay; Tony Terrell, Richard Jones, Robert Keno, Vanlandingham from EC, Sean Swisher, Dwight Govan , Lil John, Matt and CLifton, Clark had Clark Haugh and the Cash twins ... Sam Houston had Sindey Kimble; Judson had Reggie Clark, Damon Johnson, Deion Phelps, Fred Battles, Randy Phoenix; Cole had Shaq; Ski Jones was there - -Chris Doyal both from Marshall - JErald Reiner and Boyd from MAdison. Hank from Lanier - Willie Heights from Fox Tech...Bonewitz - Gee -- some damn good ball in San Antonio.

The Cash Twins went to Holmes.

Got to get a shout in for my boy Mike Laderer at Taft, led the city in scoring 85-86

[samikeyp]

Holy crap....speaking of The Cash twins and high school athletes in the 80's...

iSE_GNqhP9w

:lol

[implacable44]

The Cash Twins went to Holmes.

Got to get a shout in for my boy Mike Laderer at Taft, led the city in scoring 85-86


so did Clark Haugh -- sorry -- I typed Clark twice. sorry.

Mike Grimes and Ed Vidal were good players from Taft -- so was Laura Steward for the women.

[to21]

The good ole days - Ft. Sam was nice but everyone used to go play at Randolph back in the day and then to Ladybird .... and then later in the afternoon ICW.

That AAU team was nice - Shaq, Ski, Outlaw, Robert Keno -- they had Vince Embry and Artie both they didnt get to play much. They had those Jay boys playing guard for defensive purposes and they didnt shoot. Lord knows they had enough scorers. I remember that summer because Montross was supposed to be there and so was Kenny Anderson -- neither of them showed up. Much debate over who was the #1 player in the country -- Kenny or Shaq. New York had a nice team with Conrad Mcrae -- Indiana was solid with Greg and Pat Graham, Pat Knight, Funderburke and of course Calbert Chaney who punched it on Shaq's head.

San Antonio had another nice team too - with Chad Collins and Sean Swisher heading that one up. They should have had Reggie Clark and Henry from Lanier. Artie should have dropped to this team and they might have made it to the finals to play Shaq. Hank was a bad dude - 6'4" and the best Latino I have seen play ball to date.

Man from 87 through about 96 -- San Antonio had some damn good players. Bo, Calvin and Kenny from Jay; Tony Terrell, Richard Jones, Robert Keno, Vanlandingham from EC, Sean Swisher, Dwight Govan , Lil John, Matt and CLifton, Clark had Clark Haugh and the Cash twins ... Sam Houston had Sindey Kimble; Judson had Reggie Clark, Damon Johnson, Deion Phelps, Fred Battles, Randy Phoenix; Cole had Shaq; Ski Jones was there - -Chris Doyal both from Marshall - JErald Reiner and Boyd from MAdison. Hank from Lanier - Willie Heights from Fox Tech...Bonewitz - Gee -- some damn good ball in San Antonio.

I used to love going up to Randolph and playing with those guys man - We also used to play at the Mormon Church in Windcrest with Sean - Reggie - Dwight - Keno ... Terrell - Marcus Peoples from Clark and an older cat - Lawrence Frazier from Churchill fame.

Randolph and The church -- and to end the day -- Ladybird-- ICW or the dunk courts at Live Oak elementary. RObert Keno - you know you should have never gone up there-- 6'3 ase...That AAU team was nice. Bo was our classmate and friend, he graduated ahead of us (a couple of years) but whenever the Clips came into town, he would score us some great tix for the game.

I thought he was better that Shaq early on, but then he turned into a monster.

[samikeyp]

I knew Grimes but Vidal and Steward must have been after 1990, I kinda lost track after that.

I knew guys like Yuron White, Ed Costley and Darrin Wylie. As far as the girls, Jennifer Lennon, Lisa Acosta and Trisha Wendt I was more familiar with.

[implacable44]

that holmes team was dope until they ran into that Judson brick wall

[FromWayDowntown]

I knew Grimes but Vidal and Steward must have been after 1990, I kinda lost track after that.

I knew guys like Yuron White, Ed Costley and Darrin Wylie. As far as the girls, Jennifer Lennon, Lisa Acosta and Trisha Wendt I was more familiar with.

Ah, Special Ed Costley -- now there's a guy I haven't thought about in way too long. And I had just about forgotten about Yuron White.

Nice to see a Chris Doyal mention as well (from my Marshall days). He was a big part of Princeton's upset of UCLA in the tournament back about 10 years ago.

And if you're going to mention the Northside girls, Lisa Mazur at Marshall was a huge part of the Marshall girls' success back during the Lisa and Lori King era (they played in at least 3 of 4 regional finals when I was in school -- it was disappointing that they never got over that hump; they were always considered one of the best teams in the state).

A buddy of mine used to date Tricia Wendt back in those days -- there are some stories to tell of that!!

[samikeyp]

The last I heard Yuron was in Oregon working for Nike and doing rather well.

The King sisters were really good. I took pictures at one of the Marshall-Taft games with those two and Lennon and Acosta. Those ladies knew how to throw some 'bows. :)

I've known Tricia since 6th grade....I think she is a doctor now.

[peewee's lovechild]

At 250 pounds, O'Neal was a formidable center for his high school team.

At 350 lbs, he's just a giant black man.

[Bigzax]

That's true -- at that time (late 80's) San Antonio had several really good young basketball players around. There were the John Jay guys (including Calvin Thomas and Bo Outlaw), the East Central guys (led by Tony Terrell and Robert Keno) and a handful of other players here and there (Artie Griffin at Lee, Ski Jones at Marshall). Shaq was a part of that, but I think because he played in 2A and not in 5A, he probably was more of an after-thought in some people's minds. Obviously, not the way it should have been, but I think that might be the reason he wasn't the center of the SA hoops world at that point.

San Antonio was able, in the summer of '89, to put together a junior olympics team that beat a similar team from Bloomington, Indiana. The Bloomington team included Calbert Cheaney and Lawrence Funderburke, among others.


haven't seen Artie Griffin's name in a long time. Props. had spanish class with that brother. he was a cool cat.

[Louie Vega]

My boy Curtis Lundy was on that East Central team that won it all. I don't know if he was a starter though?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Holy crap....speaking of The Cash twins and high school athletes in the 80's...

iSE_GNqhP9w

:lol

I am utterly embarrassed that I have never seen that before in my life.

[dawn]

I miss Reggie. I had some good times with the Judson crew. I loved the whole clark family. How Mrs.Clark ever kept food in that place with those boys kills me. Reggie and Rodger were my boys. Then Jason, Thurman, Quintin.

Keno Keno Keno...one of my favorite people until this day. Truly a my Big Brother at EC. I was probably with you at some point during those years at one of the places playing ball if you were with them all. I was always with Keno, and Charlie Z and Tim Littlefield.

Shoot I remember even back when Tony first came to East Central, I was in middle School, but he backed up Stanley Coleman. Even that squad was good. Tony's senior year though you can't forget Howie Hughes, Rusty Muenster, and Charlie Chase. I used to sit front row and br front and center with the Original ROWDY BUNCH!!! We had so much fun at games. Best times against Churchill when they would wave money at us and the ole SCOREBOARD CHANT would start since we usually were spanking teams by 30-40 points. I have a couple of photo albums full of pictures that I should try and upload one day. Of all of these guys talked about in this thread! Some of the best days of my life for sure and best friends.

[implacable44]

Reggie is in San Antonio - all of them boys are - Reggie- Rodger - Rodney is an assistant coach at Wagner .. J-dub is in San Antonio...If I am not mistaken Curry Zeno and Thurman are both down there too. I haven't talked to those guys in a minute.
Charlie used to always come up to Randolph too - he was a good egg.

I remember when we played at EC in 1990 - Richard Jones, Terrell and those folks were in the stands trying to be funny -- I was shooting free throws and they chanted , "#44 your mom's a whore" - so I laughed it off -- then I hit three triples back to back to back and on the last one I held my hand up after the release -- turned it over and flipped them all off while I ran back down court. Bonewitz called time out -- all the fans were leaning over the bar and throwing things - about 5 minutes later Charlie got hit and a fight broke out ... CRAZY GAME> Judson - EC 1990. I wish I still had that tape.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Wow! What a cool thread. Reading it definitely brought back some old school names that I would have never remembered otherwise, as well as some being forgotten (in respect to late 80s and early 90s high school ballers in San Antonio).

Seeing Clark Haugh's name (from Holmes) on here was a trip. Interesting how someone here considered him to be among SA's best. I moved to San Antonio from Houston in 1991 to play basketball at Holmes and became really good friends with Clark. We even used to live a few streets over from each other and played a lot of pick up ball around N.W. San Antonio and at places like Lackland and UTSA, etc. I remember thinking his game was so dope. Everything he did he did so effortlessly. His handle was ill and he could jump out of the gym. His jumper was suspect, but it was getting better and better with time. Our senior year he didn't even play due to academics. What a waste. He always had trouble in his classes in school. I even remember during the season, and after our season was over, him not playing much. He wasn't at the normal after school hoop spots, etc. It seemed like he kinda just moved on and didn't play any longer. After I moved back to Houston after the school year was over, I never heard anything about him. I remember thinking that he had all the tools to be one of great guards to come out of San Antonio. I run into Brian Green, the ex John Jay star that played briefly for the Suns - then in almost every country on the planet overseas (whose name I'm surprised wasn't mentioned here) every so often in city league games around town, and he told that me that Clark did attempt to play at a JC, but nothing ever materialized from it.

Our point guard at Holmes that year (Moses Moreno) should receive an honorable mention here. He was very steady, albeit, very underrated.

Also, we play against Tony Terrell and his squad (with B. Green) this Monday in a city league here in San Antonio. Tony's jumper is definitely still wet. He's got beautiful mechanics on his shot. We'll have to see how many he puts in my face as opposed to how many I put in his. He's got a very nice site, too (thanks for the link). I didn't know he coached kids.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Holy crap....speaking of The Cash twins and high school athletes in the 80's...

iSE_GNqhP9w

:lol

Whoa! I cannot believe I'd never seen that video before, either. Man, those guys sound bad. Was the Holmes football team #1 in the country in 1986? I don't remember that, but again, I wasn't there in 1986. Interesting.